"Obamacare"

[star seed 7]

You're the idiot that thinks condoms are tools of genocide, right?

[CNS]

Seems like single payer would equate to us all using a VA'ish system.  No thanks.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

You're the idiot that thinks condoms are tools of genocide, right?

A condom is something you wear if you don't want to feel the sex you're having. Guys with "stamina" issues buy them.

You're the idiot that wants a single payer system, right?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Seems like single payer would equate to us all using a VA'ish system.  No thanks.

Remember when libtards proudly touted the VA as a model for single payer in the US? Yeah, I do too. That argument seems to have died down recently for some reason...

[CNS]

I have done work for the VA on and off for a decade.  Nothing about that system looks good from the angles I have seen, even way before the recent crap v fan.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I have done work for the VA on and off for a decade.  Nothing about that system looks good from the angles I have seen, even way before the recent crap v fan.

True, but it would be "free."

[ednksu]

It's insane that you want to expand the health insurance industry

I'm not in favor of expanding health insurance. I want more competition among insurers and for people to use insurance less, not more.

Obamacare works in the opposite direction, expanding "private" insurance (but not really, after all the subsidies) to the point of collapse, while simultaneously expanding more direct government healthcare (Medicaid). It's a bridge to making our government one unified insurer (single payer), but as I've explained ad nauseum, that's not going to improve healthcare - it will make it worse.

 
seriously  IRL funny

Its clear you have NOOOOO idea what insurance is in the United States or how modern healthcare works.  You probably think the gilded age needed just a few entrepreneurs to break up that whole trust and monopoly mess.

[michigancat]

I would probably want to do some things differently than the VA based on mistakes that have been made in that system but that's just me.

[chum1]

If they handled it like everything else lately, it would all just be outsourced to existing companies. And in those cases, everything remains pretty much the same except the routing of money. But, yeah, those fantasy scenarios are more fun to think about, I guess.

[Rage Against the McKee]

If they handled it like everything else lately, it would all just be outsourced to existing companies. And in those cases, everything remains pretty much the same except the routing of money. But, yeah, those fantasy scenarios are more fun to think about, I guess.

Single payer sort of flips the market from "what the purchaser is willing to pay" to "what the provider is willing to work for." At least that is the idea behind it that supposedly saves money.

[chum1]

If they handled it like everything else lately, it would all just be outsourced to existing companies. And in those cases, everything remains pretty much the same except the routing of money. But, yeah, those fantasy scenarios are more fun to think about, I guess.

Single payer sort of flips the market from "what the purchaser is willing to pay" to "what the provider is willing to work for." At least that is the idea behind it that supposedly saves money.

I don't see how provider pay and the general concept of single payer are necessarily related in any way.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Edna, let's stop pretending that "modern day healthcare" isn't anachronistic as eff. K? Thx

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

It's kinda of... I don't know what the right word for it is - how as corrupt and incompetent as our government has proven to be, so many people still want to put it in charge of our healthcare, or more so than it already is.

I guess it's the desire for more "free" stuff. It's kind of like voluntary imprisonment - you trade in your freedom, the free stuff is crap, and somebody else still ends up paying for it, but it still seems to make some people happy because it's "free" to them. The problem is that they want to impose the same shitty system on everybody else (how else would it be paid for) and most people (I hope) would rather work for a living, enjoy the fruits of their labor, etc.

[michigancat]

It's kinda of... I don't know what the right word for it is - how as corrupt and incompetent as our government has proven to be, so many people still want to put it in charge of our healthcare, or more so than it already is.

I guess it's the desire for more "free" stuff. It's kind of like voluntary imprisonment - you trade in your freedom, the free stuff is crap, and somebody else still ends up paying for it, but it still seems to make some people happy because it's "free" to them. The problem is that they want to impose the same shitty system on everybody else (how else would it be paid for) and most people (I hope) would rather work for a living, enjoy the fruits of their labor, etc.

Are you talking about military spending or health care?

[puniraptor]

What's Obama cares stance on Ebola and when will this administration classify Ebola as a JV Disease?

 

[CHONGS]

I think the correct term is ObamaScare

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

It's kinda of... I don't know what the right word for it is - how as corrupt and incompetent as our government has proven to be, so many people still want to put it in charge of our healthcare, or more so than it already is.

I guess it's the desire for more "free" stuff. It's kind of like voluntary imprisonment - you trade in your freedom, the free stuff is crap, and somebody else still ends up paying for it, but it still seems to make some people happy because it's "free" to them. The problem is that they want to impose the same shitty system on everybody else (how else would it be paid for) and most people (I hope) would rather work for a living, enjoy the fruits of their labor, etc.

Are you talking about military spending or health care?

Sorry, health care. The military is sort of a necessary government function.

[michigancat]

sort of

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

It's kinda of... I don't know what the right word for it is - how as corrupt and incompetent as our government has proven to be, so many people still want to put it in charge of our healthcare, or more so than it already is.

I guess it's the desire for more "free" stuff. It's kind of like voluntary imprisonment - you trade in your freedom, the free stuff is crap, and somebody else still ends up paying for it, but it still seems to make some people happy because it's "free" to them. The problem is that they want to impose the same shitty system on everybody else (how else would it be paid for) and most people (I hope) would rather work for a living, enjoy the fruits of their labor, etc.

Are you talking about military spending or health care?

Wut?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

sort of

It's in the Constitution, I think, but I don't see anything about national healthcare.

[michigancat]

Well, yeah. Bleedings were what passed for health care when they wrote the constitution.

But as you said, we really only sort of need the current scope of the military. And I agree with you.

[Cire]

my benefits stayed the exact same this year.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

my benefits stayed the exact same this year.

I think it was delayed another year if you get your HC through your employer. Next year is the next round of "I lost my policy and doctor!"

[Rage Against the McKee]

My policy is pretty good. I think it will make the cut.

[chum1]

I know we went back and forth about this before, but plans are almost always one year contracts, so to say that they are cancelled isn't very accurate. As for changes, the are VERY few changes due to passed legislation that will occur as almost all went into effect years ago and the ones that are left affect only a handful of people.