"Obamacare"

[star seed 7]

having different laws in different states is pretty dumb

States are laboratories of democracy.

yeah, that's fine, but the state level is too large.  if you are going to have different laws in different places, it should be at the city/county level probably.  it's stupid that one side of kansas city has awesome alcohol laws, and one side is like eff you, drinking is a sin

Yeah but your position assumes that, hypothetically, the supreme law of the land would be the one you prefer (your favored drinking laws) and not the one you don't (drinking is a sin, etc). 

If the issue is that important "vote with your feet" and move yourself (and your tax dollars) to the area with the laws you prefer.  As it stands now, you have some choice as to which laws you want to be subject to.  Without the ability to make some decisions at the state level, that freedom vanishes.

no, i'm well aware that things would fall for and against what i personally "like".  probably mostly against since i'm left of center.  just the concept of state law doesn't jive with me, they are very arbitrary groupings.  a common city or living area makes much more sense.  kansas city has very little in common with the needs or wants of western kansas, there is no reason they should be grouped together in "state" law

[michigancat]

yeah, state lines should probably be completely redrawn

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I think it's bullshit that a corporation can have religious beliefs.

I think this is a 50 cent comment from a 15 cent brain. 1st amendment affords freedom of assembly and association. The courts recognize the Sierra clubs concerns regarding the environment and the pipe fitters right to collectively bargain. Corporations are owned by people, run by people and employ people. Just because they are legal fiction and taxed differently (like trusts and non-citizens) doesn't mean their owners forfeit their right to religious freedom.

[star seed 7]

yeah, it's fine if they have them, just forcing them on their employees is the bullshit part.

[Stellarcat]

But very good for their unborn children.

Seriously?  I guess I was unaware that when I had an IUD, I was aborting babies left and right. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Someone should tell these churches, synagogues,  temples, etc (they're all organized as legal entities, including corporations) they aren't allowed to have religious beliefs.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Can't we all just recognize that the real problem is tying healthcare to employment,  and not the family that owns hobby Lobby being opposed to abortion. It's perverted they had to spend their money to exempt themselves from a law tantamount (in their minds) to funding genocide.

[star seed 7]

Can't we all just recognize that the real problem is tying healthcare to employment,  and not the family that owns hobby Lobby being opposed to abortion. It's perverted they had to spend their money to exempt themselves from a law tantamount (in their minds) to funding genocide.

  fsd joins the government funded healthcare camp

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Can't we all just recognize that the real problem is tying healthcare to employment,  and not the family that owns hobby Lobby being opposed to abortion. It's perverted they had to spend their money to exempt themselves from a law tantamount (in their minds) to funding genocide.

  fsd joins the government funded healthcare camp

It's been government funded for 80 years. What are you talking about?

The federal government needs to stop employing the private sector to carry out its bullshit mandates. 

[puniraptor]

Man, I've been seeing that 15 cent brain thing on tapatalk preview all evening and had no clue it was about me. Hurts

[Dugout DickStone]

This ultimately doesn't effect very many people at all.  The blue hairs who work at HL weren't on the pill anyway.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Has anyone on here ever been to an HL?

I heard it's closed on Sunday. Just more imposing religious beliefs on their employees by not allowing them to work on Sunday.

[SdK]

 

[Asteriskhead]

I like federalism.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Someone should tell these churches, synagogues,  temples, etc (they're all organized as legal entities, including corporations) they aren't allowed to have religious beliefs.

It's not that they aren't allowed to so much as that they are physically unable to.

[Stellarcat]

Can't we all just recognize that the real problem is tying healthcare to employment,  and not the family that owns hobby Lobby being opposed to abortion. It's perverted they had to spend their money to exempt themselves from a law tantamount (in their minds) to funding genocide.

I'm all for single payer healthcare.  However, just because they believe that IUDs, Plan B, and ella are "genocide" doesn't mean that it is.  Those methods of birth control work in the same way that birth control pills do...primarily to prevent ovulation.  This is political and I think we all know it. 

I wonder if things would be different if their religious views opposed chemically-induced erections?  "Hey guys, having trouble getting it up?  Viagra for everyone!  Sure, we cover that!  Just make sure that you aren't banging a chick who works at Hobby Lobby!" 

[Dugout DickStone]

Viagra is old white man first amendment territory.  You will never take that away

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Can't we all just recognize that the real problem is tying healthcare to employment,  and not the family that owns hobby Lobby being opposed to abortion. It's perverted they had to spend their money to exempt themselves from a law tantamount (in their minds) to funding genocide.

I'm all for single payer healthcare.  However, just because they believe that IUDs, Plan B, and ella are "genocide" doesn't mean that it is.  Those methods of birth control work in the same way that birth control pills do...primarily to prevent ovulation.  This is political and I think we all know it. 

I wonder if things would be different if their religious views opposed chemically-induced erections?  "Hey guys, having trouble getting it up?  Viagra for everyone!  Sure, we cover that!  Just make sure that you aren't banging a chick who works at Hobby Lobby!"

I'm not advocating single payer. I don't want to be on a secret waiting list that requires me to wait months to see a doctor.

Maybe the government should just stop forcing people to affirmatively do things they don't want to do. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Someone should tell these churches, synagogues,  temples, etc (they're all organized as legal entities, including corporations) they aren't allowed to have religious beliefs.

It's not that they aren't allowed to so much as that they are physically unable to.

I suppose all these building I see labeled church and what not are imaginary. The thrift stores, soup kitchen, shelters, and charitable organizations aren't really there?

[Institutional Control]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-401k-discovered-to-be-investor-in-numerous-abortion-and-contraception-products-while-claiming-religious-objection/

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/04/01/hobby-lobby-401k-discovered-to-be-investor-in-numerous-abortion-and-contraception-products-while-claiming-religious-objection/

They probably don't even go to church even though the stores are closed on Sundays, too. What a buncha phonies!! 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Heh. Pretty funny response to the liberal hysteria about government "intruding in the bedroom."

"Get your politics out of my bedroom!"
"Not a problem. I'm just going to grab my wallet before I leave."
"The wallet stays, bigot."

[Tobias]

lol

[Rage Against the McKee]

Someone should tell these churches, synagogues,  temples, etc (they're all organized as legal entities, including corporations) they aren't allowed to have religious beliefs.

It's not that they aren't allowed to so much as that they are physically unable to.

I suppose all these building I see labeled church and what not are imaginary. The thrift stores, soup kitchen, shelters, and charitable organizations aren't really there?

They are there, but they don't have beliefs.

[puniraptor]

Heh. Pretty funny response to the liberal hysteria about government "intruding in the bedroom."

"Get your politics out of my bedroom!"
"Not a problem. I'm just going to grab my wallet before I leave."
"The wallet stays, bigot."

i like this mostly because it implies that they were boning