Operation Rescue (Kansas)

[slobber]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

1.  It's important to try to stop things that are fundamentally wrong.
2.  Murder of an innocent is fundamentally wrong.
3.  Abortion might equate to the murder of an innocent.
4.  Abortion might be fundamentally wrong.
5.  It might be important to try to stop abortion.

a valid answer to the question. I am not smart enough to get what Limestone is doing.

[DQ12]

We are in agreement on 1 and 2.  But not the rest?

Quite the contrary, I think we both agree that trying to end wars and end starvation are worthy pursuits.

I might disagree with your increasingly broad definition of "murder," but in general, I think we're on the same page.

[Dugout DickStone]

We are in agreement on 1 and 2.  But not the rest?

Quite the contrary, I think we both agree that trying to end wars and end starvation are worthy pursuits.

I might disagree with your increasingly broad definition of "murder," but in general, I think we're on the same page.

My point is that everyone agrees allowing the death of innocent babies is morally wrong and lots of people are really keen on telling a 16 year old, unwed pregnant girl that she sure as hell will have that unplanned baby because we said so regardless of circumstances.  There are not so many people want to dip into their pocket and send 50% of what they make to poverty relief and/or pay $10/gal at the pump when we finally pull out of the ME.  One makes us feel good and puts that little tramp in her place.  The other seems kind of tough and would really call for a personal sacrifice.  better her sacrifice than us.

Like I said, this is all about control.  It's not saving innocent babies or people would do things a lot differently.

[DQ12]

We are in agreement on 1 and 2.  But not the rest?

Quite the contrary, I think we both agree that trying to end wars and end starvation are worthy pursuits.

I might disagree with your increasingly broad definition of "murder," but in general, I think we're on the same page.

My point is that everyone agrees allowing the death of innocent babies is morally wrong and lots of people are really keen on telling a 16 year old, unwed pregnant girl that she sure as hell will have that unplanned baby because we said so regardless of circumstances.  There are not so many people want to dip into their pocket and send 50% of what they make to poverty relief and/or pay $10/gal at the pump when we finally pull out of the ME.  One makes us feel good and puts that little tramp in her place.  The other seems kind of tough and would really call for a personal sacrifice.  better her sacrifice than us.

Like I said, this is all about control.  It's not saving innocent babies or people would do things a lot differently.

I don't understand what you mean.

But it sounds like maybe we didn't both agree earlier when you said it's important to try to end hunger/wars.  If I'm misunderstanding set me straight.

[nicname]

We are in agreement on 1 and 2.  But not the rest?

Quite the contrary, I think we both agree that trying to end wars and end starvation are worthy pursuits.

I might disagree with your increasingly broad definition of "murder," but in general, I think we're on the same page.

My point is that everyone agrees allowing the death of innocent babies is morally wrong and lots of people are really keen on telling a 16 year old, unwed pregnant girl that she sure as hell will have that unplanned baby because we said so regardless of circumstances.  There are not so many people want to dip into their pocket and send 50% of what they make to poverty relief and/or pay $10/gal at the pump when we finally pull out of the ME.  One makes us feel good and puts that little tramp in her place.  The other seems kind of tough and would really call for a personal sacrifice.  better her sacrifice than us.

Like I said, this is all about control.  It's not saving innocent babies or people would do things a lot differently.

You're reaching. 

[Dugout DickStone]

We are in agreement on 1 and 2.  But not the rest?

Quite the contrary, I think we both agree that trying to end wars and end starvation are worthy pursuits.

I might disagree with your increasingly broad definition of "murder," but in general, I think we're on the same page.

My point is that everyone agrees allowing the death of innocent babies is morally wrong and lots of people are really keen on telling a 16 year old, unwed pregnant girl that she sure as hell will have that unplanned baby because we said so regardless of circumstances.  There are not so many people want to dip into their pocket and send 50% of what they make to poverty relief and/or pay $10/gal at the pump when we finally pull out of the ME.  One makes us feel good and puts that little tramp in her place.  The other seems kind of tough and would really call for a personal sacrifice.  better her sacrifice than us.

Like I said, this is all about control.  It's not saving innocent babies or people would do things a lot differently.

I don't understand what you mean.

But it sounds like maybe we didn't both agree earlier when you said it's important to try to end hunger/wars.  If I'm misunderstanding set me straight.

I guess I don't understand what you mean either.  I sure thought I did.  Ships passing in the night and such.

[DQ12]

I guess I don't understand what you mean either.  I sure thought I did.  Ships passing in the night and such.

Sometimes that happens.  Oh well.  Still friends?

 

[bubbles4ksu]

I guess I don't understand what you mean either.  I sure thought I did.  Ships passing in the night and such.

Sometimes that happens.  Oh well.  Still friends?

 

go be friends with a fetus, dlew12.

[Dugout DickStone]

I guess I don't understand what you mean either.  I sure thought I did.  Ships passing in the night and such.

Sometimes that happens.  Oh well.  Still friends?

 

 

[DQ12]

I guess I don't understand what you mean either.  I sure thought I did.  Ships passing in the night and such.

Sometimes that happens.  Oh well.  Still friends?

 

go be friends with a fetus, dlew12.

Cram it, dorkweed.

[bubbles4ksu]

I guess I don't understand what you mean either.  I sure thought I did.  Ships passing in the night and such.

Sometimes that happens.  Oh well.  Still friends?

 

go be friends with a fetus, dlew12.

Cram it, dorkweed.

i am betrayed. five years of friendship and you never once mentioned that you were against killing babies. have a good life.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

 

[SkinnyBenny]

Like I said, this is all about control.  It's not saving innocent babies or people would do things a lot differently.

You're reaching.

I don't think he is. It's not ENTIRELY all about control like he says, but a shitload of it certainly is for some people. That's why so many want to end abortion but don't want to make allowances for things like birth control or sex ed. that would actually have an impact toward that end. Again, if you're the type who considers abortion to be The Great Evil of our society but you're not making allowances to prevent it like allowing poor people access to effective birth control, you aren't really about eliminating abortion. You're about control. You're about not letting people have consequence-free premarital sex.

(Again this doesn't apply to most of the pro-life people in this thread, as you all seem to be the most level-headed and non-religious of your ilk that I've ever seen argue this. You are the exception, however.)

[Stevesie60]

Well as a pro-lifer I promise anyone debating having an abortion that I will adopt their child. Mrs. Stevesie60 and I have been trying to adopt for a year and a half. So, Trim keeps asking how it affects us. It affects me. Twice now we've had people close to us get pregnant, debate what to do with the baby, we told them we'd adopt it, they aborted it. SkinBen, I know it's not much of a sacrifice, because we legitimately want to be parents, but it's what I have to offer.

Admittedly, I haven't had time to process the "rape" issue. That is a terrible situation that no one should be in. But to that girl I promise I'd adopt their child, incest-deformities and all.

[j-dub]

Well as a pro-lifer I promise anyone debating having an abortion that I will adopt their child. Mrs. Stevesie60 and I have been trying to adopt for a year and a half. So, Trim keeps asking how it affects us. It affects me. Twice now we've had people close to us get pregnant, debate what to do with the baby, we told them we'd adopt it, they aborted it. SkinBen, I know it's not much of a sacrifice, because we legitimately want to be parents, but it's what I have to offer.

Admittedly, I haven't had time to process the "rape" issue. That is a terrible situation that no one should be in. But to that girl I promise I'd adopt their child, incest-deformities and all.

this is why you're one of the best people i know.

[SkinnyBenny]

Well as a pro-lifer I promise anyone debating having an abortion that I will adopt their child. Mrs. Stevesie60 and I have been trying to adopt for a year and a half. So, Trim keeps asking how it affects us. It affects me. Twice now we've had people close to us get pregnant, debate what to do with the baby, we told them we'd adopt it, they aborted it. SkinBen, I know it's not much of a sacrifice, because we legitimately want to be parents, but it's what I have to offer.

Admittedly, I haven't had time to process the "rape" issue. That is a terrible situation that no one should be in. But to that girl I promise I'd adopt their child, incest-deformities and all.

Look at Jakesie talking the talk AND WALKING THE WALK!  That counts for a lot. Don't you dare sell yourself short.

[Dugout DickStone]

Well as a pro-lifer I promise anyone debating having an abortion that I will adopt their child. Mrs. Stevesie60 and I have been trying to adopt for a year and a half. So, Trim keeps asking how it affects us. It affects me. Twice now we've had people close to us get pregnant, debate what to do with the baby, we told them we'd adopt it, they aborted it. SkinBen, I know it's not much of a sacrifice, because we legitimately want to be parents, but it's what I have to offer.

Admittedly, I haven't had time to process the "rape" issue. That is a terrible situation that no one should be in. But to that girl I promise I'd adopt their child, incest-deformities and all.

this is why you're one of the best people i know.

Definitely. 

This discussion is tough to carry out when the people have personal experiences that none of us can rebut.  Let's put this thread to bed.

[SkinnyBenny]

[Trim]

Well as a pro-lifer I promise anyone debating having an abortion that I will adopt their child. Mrs. Stevesie60 and I have been trying to adopt for a year and a half. So, Trim keeps asking how it affects us. It affects me. Twice now we've had people close to us get pregnant, debate what to do with the baby, we told them we'd adopt it, they aborted it. SkinBen, I know it's not much of a sacrifice, because we legitimately want to be parents, but it's what I have to offer.

Admittedly, I haven't had time to process the "rape" issue. That is a terrible situation that no one should be in. But to that girl I promise I'd adopt their child, incest-deformities and all.

Now that I can devote more than 10 minutes to this on a study break, give me something that shows precisely what has been preventing an adoption from occurring (obviously, I don't need any more info on the 2 aborted potential people) and we'll see if we can make this happen.  I still believe we can have both a Jakesie Jr. AND unlimited abortions.

[Trim]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

1.  It's important to try to stop things that are fundamentally wrong.
2.  Murder of an innocent is fundamentally wrong.
3.  Abortion might equate to the murder of an innocent.
4.  Abortion might be fundamentally wrong.
5.  It might be important to try to stop abortion.

Once you get to the "mights," what factors play in to whether it is or isn't?

[Cire]

Outlaw abortion but ask everyone in the us to register as pro life or choice.  All the new born babies will be awarded on a lottery basis to those registered as pro life.

[p1k3]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

1.  It's important to try to stop things that are fundamentally wrong.
2.  Murder of an innocent is fundamentally wrong.
3.  Abortion might equate to the murder of an innocent.
4.  Abortion might be fundamentally wrong.
5.  It might be important to try to stop abortion.

Once you get to the "mights," what factors play in to whether it is or isn't?

I think that's what is up for debate. Or at least part of it.

[Trim]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

1.  It's important to try to stop things that are fundamentally wrong.
2.  Murder of an innocent is fundamentally wrong.
3.  Abortion might equate to the murder of an innocent.
4.  Abortion might be fundamentally wrong.
5.  It might be important to try to stop abortion.

Once you get to the "mights," what factors play in to whether it is or isn't?

I think that's what is up for debate. Or at least part of it.

I know.  To me, it's as simple as the fact that I'm 22 and a half and not 23 and a quarter.  But I'm open to considering some non-religious reasons why I'm wrong.

[SkinnyBenny]

Outlaw abortion but ask everyone in the us to register as pro life or choice.  All the new born babies will be awarded on a lottery basis to those registered as pro life.

Oh this is fantastic.

[felix rex]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

1.  It's important to try to stop things that are fundamentally wrong.
2.  Murder of an innocent is fundamentally wrong.
3.  Abortion might equate to the murder of an innocent.
4.  Abortion might be fundamentally wrong.
5.  It might be important to try to stop abortion.

Once you get to the "mights," what factors play in to whether it is or isn't?

I think that's what is up for debate. Or at least part of it.

I know.  To me, it's as simple as the fact that I'm 22 and a half and not 23 and a quarter.  But I'm open to considering some non-religious reasons why I'm wrong.

My nephew was born at 26 wks. So this October, he's turning 4 instead of 4 and a quarter.