Operation Rescue (Kansas)

[HeinBallz]

Keep in mind that over half of the abortions performed in America are not on first-timers, and I wouldn't call those unique situations.  I would think that they would learn the first time...

And these are the people you want to be parents???

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  Let's not throw out accusations all willy-nilly (no stereotype).  I'm a proponent of the concept that if the woman is capable of making an informed decision about her and her child's future, then she should be capable of identifying other options.  In our convenience-based society, abortion is nothing more than a solution to the need for convenience.  That's the reason why around half of the abortions are not on first-timers; convenience.  It just wasn't convenient for the parent(s) to have the child.

My sister and her husband adopted a child that was "unwanted, unloved, unprovided for, uneducated", but the mother decided against abortion.  From my position, the joy that one child has now, and brings to those around him provides adequate valuation to lessening the availability to abortion.

I'm sure there are other examples, but I have a close friend whose parents split while he was at med school.  His mother told him after that event that he was basically lucky to be alive-she wanted to have an abortion when she became pregnant with him, but his father wouldn't allow it.  It tore her up for 30+ years.  This is the same kid who saves lives every month now (lives from wanted, loved, provided for, etc. homes) in the ER.  How can you quantify his benefit to society?  I realize that we can play the "if game" never-ending, but my sister adopting solidified my viewpoint.  BTW I'm not trying to square off with anyone here. 
   

I think everyone here would agree adoption is the best possible scenario - I posed the question earlier why is adoption so difficult & expensive.  Perhaps government involvement is prohibiting a lot advancement in these issues.

[felix rex]

I just want to be clear that my first case best scenario is zero raping-uncles. Then maybe adoption works its way into my 2-5.

[felix rex]

Again, that's no more uncles raping, then other solutions second.

[CNS]

Again, that's no more uncles raping, then other solutions second.

I agree at starting with the no uncle rape.  So this thread is about to turn to crime and punishment, right?

I mean, rape once, shame on you, rape twice shame on us for not killing the guy....right?

I guess I am saying that rapey uncles should be put down in a more than timely manner.  Appeals shouldn't be very active here.  just do the paternity test and fire up the anti-breathing machine.  Swift justice as a deterrent 

[SkinnyBenny]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

[CNS]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

Here come all the posts about some rapey uncles that turned out to be president or Beethoven or something.

[slobber]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

[CNS]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

All joking and religion aside, I think rapey uncles should die quickly at the hands of our justice system.

[EMAWican]

I think everyone here would agree adoption is the best possible scenario - I posed the question earlier why is adoption so difficult & expensive.  Perhaps government involvement is prohibiting a lot advancement in these issues.

   

Yes, it is.  But for obvious reasons it's a PITA, i.e. child predators, people in it for the money, etc.  I still remember helping my sister and BIL put together a scrapbook of our family and stuff.  It's pretty much indescribable how it feels to market your family.  I tried to sneak "badass" and several derivatives of EMAW in the description, but got shot down because it wasn't a "good impression".   

[felix rex]

I admittedly just scanned this, but it seems the proposed solution for abortion is executing rapey uncles. I see  no middle ground, and if you do you deserve to have your aborted fetus roughly raped by your uncle.

[slobber]

I think everyone here would agree adoption is the best possible scenario - I posed the question earlier why is adoption so difficult & expensive.  Perhaps government involvement is prohibiting a lot advancement in these issues.

   

Yes, it is.  But for obvious reasons it's a PITA, i.e. child predators, people in it for the money, etc.  I still remember helping my sister and BIL put together a scrapbook of our family and stuff.  It's pretty much indescribable how it feels to market your family.  I tried to sneak "badass" and several derivatives of EMAW in the description, but got shot down because it wasn't a "good impression".   

Yes, we have a few sets of friends that have adopted from over seas. It takes an insane amount of money and time.

[slobber]

I admittedly just scanned this, but it seems the proposed solution for abortion is executing rapey uncles. I see  no middle ground, and if you do you deserve to have your aborted fetus roughly raped by your uncle.

Erase all of the other posts. This sums it up. 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I just don't view war killings and abortion the same way. I am certainly not in favor of war for the sake of war, but some wars have brought about a better society or more freedoms for all. I am not certain how one could argue that a past abortion has ever done that.

How do you not see the hypocrisy here?   Unwanted children often turn to a life of crime and do not become productive members of society. 

Now, I'll reiterate, I'm not taking a stance on abortion with this argument - I think there are better ways to better society than killing babies, I'm just looking for a bit of consistency.  You're either okay with senseless killing - or You're not.

They can also become president, even if they have no relationship with their father and sent off to live with grandparents.

Which do you think happens more often? Be honest.

  I agree that in this particular instance we may have been better off. I was going to say something mean and nasty, but I won't.

[Trim]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

[SkinnyBenny]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

The reason it keeps coming back to religion is because the most outspoken of your ilk (not necessarily on this here bbs) seem to bring it back to this. I wouldn't be using the mocking word "sacred" if I hadn't heard the phrase a million times before from outspoken pro-life religious zealots.

[DQ12]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

1.  It's important to try to stop things that are fundamentally wrong.
2.  Murder of an innocent is fundamentally wrong.
3.  Abortion might equate to the murder of an innocent.
4.  Abortion might be fundamentally wrong.
5.  It might be important to try to stop abortion.

[CNS]

I admittedly just scanned this, but it seems the proposed solution for abortion is executing rapey uncles. I see  no middle ground, and if you do you deserve to have your aborted fetus roughly raped by your uncle.

It definitely won't help this 10yr girl in particular, but it may deter the next rapey uncle from raping his niece if he new that rapey uncles get the axe and quick.  Don't get me wrong, I am not a kill-them-all-and-sort-them-out-later type of guy. But I do think that child rape should be added to the list of things people get put to death for.

[slobber]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

I personally believe that it is a baby. Haven't I stated that? I don't think it is right to kill a baby. I know that you don't believe it is a baby. I understand that.

[SkinnyBenny]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

I personally believe that it is a baby. Haven't I stated that? I don't think it is right to kill a baby. I know that you don't believe it is a baby. I understand that.

Are you in favor of doing everything we possibly can to make sure unintended pregnancies never happen? (By this I mean subsidizing the cost for free and widely-disseminated birth control, and for teaching comprehensive sex ed. early and often in all schools?) If any of you who consider abortion to be The Great Evil can't swallow your pride and make allowances for those two things which would greatly reduce the need for abortions, you aren't as pro-life as you say you are.

[DQ12]

Are you in favor of doing everything we possibly can to make sure unintended pregnancies never happen? (By this I mean subsidizing the cost for free and widely-disseminated birth control, and for teaching comprehensive sex ed. early and often in all schools?) If any of you who consider abortion to be The Great Evil can't swallow your pride and make allowances for those two things which would greatly reduce the need for abortions, you aren't as pro-life as you say you are.

I wouldn't have any problem with this.

 

[Dugout DickStone]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

1.  It's important to try to stop things that are fundamentally wrong.
2.  Murder of an innocent is fundamentally wrong.
3.  Abortion war might equate to the murder of an innocent.
4.  Abortion war might be fundamentally wrong.
5.  It might be important to try to stop abortion war.

[DQ12]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

1.  It's important to try to stop things that are fundamentally wrong.
2.  Murder of an innocent is fundamentally wrong.
3.  Abortion war might equate to the murder of an innocent.
4.  Abortion war might be fundamentally wrong.
5.  It might be important to try to stop abortion war.

Although I don't see what you're getting at, I don't disagree with you.

[Dugout DickStone]

But CNSCasey, ALL life is SACRED.

I don't know why the pro-choice crowd keeps coming back to religion? Seems kind of funny. I don't know that many arguments have been made on here that religion is the reason that someone is against abortion.

What's the reason again (specifically as to other peoples' abortions)?

1.  It's important to try to stop things that are fundamentally wrong.
2.  Murder of an innocent is fundamentally wrong.
3.  Abortion starvation might equate to the murder of an innocent.
4.  Abortion allowing starvation might be fundamentally wrong.
5.  It might be important to try to stop abortion allowing starvation.

[DQ12]

1.  It's important to try to stop things that are fundamentally wrong.
2.  Murder of an innocent is fundamentally wrong.
3.  Abortion starvation might equate to the murder of an innocent.
4.  Abortion allowing starvation might be fundamentally wrong.
5.  It might be important to try to stop abortion allowing starvation.

Now you're being silly.

[Dugout DickStone]

We are in agreement on 1 and 2.  But not the rest?