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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #100 on: August 15, 2012, 06:09:35 AM »
God is brought up often though.  If god is brought up, the only way you can defend your argument is to reference the bible.




Considering that most of the "major" religions denounce abortion this isn't true.
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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #101 on: August 15, 2012, 06:36:16 AM »
Not that anyone cares but after quoting multiple posts I should probably share my views on the subject. 

I probably can't put it any better than Dlew, so I won't try.  I will add a couple of things. 

It is my hope that as time progresses there will be less "need" for abortion.  Technology and innovation should provide a variety of alternatives to abortion as time progresses and it is my belief that they should be ardently sought.  I also agree with Heinballz' assertion that we should look to increase the ease of availability of adoption, encourage adoption, and do all we can to prevent abortion through education, etc. There are plenty of options out there that allow most abortion cases to be handled differently.




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« Reply #102 on: August 15, 2012, 06:58:40 AM »
God is brought up often though.  If god is brought up, the only way you can defend your argument is to reference the bible.




Considering that most of the "major" religions denounce abortion this isn't true.

But is it religious men/women that denounce it, or god?

I asked the question earlier why death was such a horrible thing, is it horrible in gods eyes, or mans?  I would wager I have vastly different views on religion than every single member of this board - but that's a different thread.


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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #103 on: August 15, 2012, 07:12:54 AM »
God is brought up often though.  If god is brought up, the only way you can defend your argument is to reference the bible.




Considering that most of the "major" religions denounce abortion this isn't true.

But is it religious men/women that denounce it, or god?

I asked the question earlier why death was such a horrible thing, is it horrible in gods eyes, or mans?  I would wager I have vastly different views on religion than every single member of this board - but that's a different thread.


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I can hear that. I just wanted to point out that adversary attitudes toward abortion. I apologize if I came off combative.
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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #104 on: August 15, 2012, 07:19:58 AM »
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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #105 on: August 15, 2012, 07:34:48 AM »
I am struggling. I am not as great with words as some others are on goEMAW. When we are having a serious conversation, I really want to keep it an open conversation, but I am easily swayed to turn it into name calling and general stupidity.

One great, general point somebody made is that it is difficult to explain exactly how you feel on a message board without someone interpreting your opinion as rash and stubborn at best or mean at worst (paraphrased). This leads to one other concern I have about attempting to have this discussion on a message board, which is that I honestly don't believe I will change anyone's opinion on this subject and may be more likely to cause someone to dig their heels into the ground even further against my position.

I am pro life (freely admitted somewhere back on page 2 whereby my admittance basically meant that I was a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)). I believe that human life starts at conception. Really, I don't have much more of an argument other than to tell you that I am a father and each time my wife and I confirmed we were pregnant, it changed my life. My life didn't stay the same up until the birth or in the 3rd tri-mester, it changed as soon as we knew we were pregnant. I would go further and say that even before we knew for certain we were pregnant but suspected we might be, I felt my life changing. I don't believe that a clump of cells does that. I can also tell you that it is beyond me to know how anyone it today's world can look at an ultrasound and then believe that a baby isn't a human until it is born.

The other nonfactual argument I would offer is that I personally know of women that have had abortions that are haunted by it for the rest of their lives. I have never met someone who said, "I sure wish I would have aborted that child of mine." I realize there are many women who have abortions and have no issues with after the fact and there probably are even a few women that wish they would have aborted one of their kids. I am only stating that I have experienced distraught people after having abortions and I have never personally met someone who wished they would have had one. I know others will not agree with my position, but that will not change my position.

There was one point that was made in favor of abortion that got some praise on here which I wanted to address. It basically equated that killing one infectiously sick person for the sake of many, perhaps thousands, is worth it. What really struck me about that post is that it is basically saying that Scott Roeder was in the right, as he thought he was killing one to save many, perhaps thousands. For the record, I agree with neither the premise of killing one infectiously sick person for the sake of many nor do I agree that George Tiller's killer was in the right.

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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #106 on: August 15, 2012, 07:36:14 AM »
Not only do I agree w/ abortion, I think the government should provide this service for free.
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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #107 on: August 15, 2012, 07:42:58 AM »
Not that anyone cares but after quoting multiple posts I should probably share my views on the subject. 

I probably can't put it any better than Dlew, so I won't try.  I will add a couple of things. 

It is my hope that as time progresses there will be less "need" for abortion.  Technology and innovation should provide a variety of alternatives to abortion as time progresses and it is my belief that they should be ardently sought.  I also agree with Heinballz' assertion that we should look to increase the ease of availability of adoption, encourage adoption, and do all we can to prevent abortion through education, etc. There are plenty of options out there that allow most abortion cases to be handled differently.





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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #108 on: August 15, 2012, 07:45:42 AM »
Saul, is there anything that the government should stay OUT of? (Not being a smart ass.)

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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #109 on: August 15, 2012, 07:45:49 AM »
 Just let the women decide. Lots of dudes here talking about cells and feti(?) like that's all this issue is about. (not everyone, but lots).

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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #110 on: August 15, 2012, 07:49:28 AM »
Saul, is there anything that the government should stay OUT of? (Not being a smart ass.)
Yes

very few things though
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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #111 on: August 15, 2012, 07:58:49 AM »
I can hear that. I just wanted to point out that adversary attitudes toward abortion. I apologize if I came off combative.

Absolutely not, I take no offense to anyone here - even when I know they're personal attacks - which I have never taken anything you have said as a personal attack.   I know I come off as combative as I'm very pig headed; I've put a lot of time into my thoughts and they're not easily changed. Although I have great appreciation for alternate view points that are not easily changed, as long as it appears those conclusions were not formed hastily.
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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #112 on: August 15, 2012, 08:02:44 AM »
I still can't wrap my head around why anyone except maybe the expectant father would care about somebody else having an abortion.  Dobber being rightfully excited when he finds out his own wife is expecting doesn't seem like a good reason to have any opinion on what other people should do when they're expecting.

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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #113 on: August 15, 2012, 08:05:35 AM »
I still can't wrap my head around why anyone except maybe the expectant father would care about somebody else having an abortion.  Dobber being rightfully excited when he finds out his own wife is expecting doesn't seem like a good reason to have any opinion on what other people should do when they're expecting.
it's their (the people who don't want abortion/gay marriage/loud music) way of wanting to impose their worldview on others.
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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #114 on: August 15, 2012, 08:09:25 AM »
I still can't wrap my head around why anyone except maybe the expectant father would care about somebody else having an abortion.  Dobber being rightfully excited when he finds out his own wife is expecting doesn't seem like a good reason to have any opinion on what other people should do when they're expecting.
I believe it to be a human life. That is my reason to have an opinion of what other people should do.

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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #115 on: August 15, 2012, 08:10:38 AM »
I still can't wrap my head around why anyone except maybe the expectant father would care about somebody else having an abortion.  Dobber being rightfully excited when he finds out his own wife is expecting doesn't seem like a good reason to have any opinion on what other people should do when they're expecting.
it's their (the people who don't want abortion/gay marriage/loud music) way of wanting to impose their worldview on others.

If someone believes that it is wrong to kill people,and they believe that an abortion is killing a person, then they probably care about someone else having an abortion.  You both know this already.
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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #116 on: August 15, 2012, 08:12:17 AM »
I still can't wrap my head around why anyone except maybe the expectant father would care about somebody else having an abortion.  Dobber being rightfully excited when he finds out his own wife is expecting doesn't seem like a good reason to have any opinion on what other people should do when they're expecting.
it's their (the people who don't want abortion/gay marriage/loud music) way of wanting to impose their worldview on others.

If someone believes that it is wrong to kill people,and they believe that an abortion is killing a person, then they probably care about someone else having an abortion.  You both know this already.
it's certainly not wrong to kill people
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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #117 on: August 15, 2012, 08:12:24 AM »
I still can't wrap my head around why anyone except maybe the expectant father would care about somebody else having an abortion.  Dobber being rightfully excited when he finds out his own wife is expecting doesn't seem like a good reason to have any opinion on what other people should do when they're expecting.
it's their (the people who don't want abortion/gay marriage/loud music) way of wanting to impose their worldview on others.
I don't see the correlation between the three? Otherwise, see my response to Trim. If that is imposing my worldview on others, then so be it. It does seem a bit odd that you would brush aside my personal feelings as trying to impose my worldview on others.

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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #118 on: August 15, 2012, 08:14:02 AM »
I still can't wrap my head around why anyone except maybe the expectant father would care about somebody else having an abortion.  Dobber being rightfully excited when he finds out his own wife is expecting doesn't seem like a good reason to have any opinion on what other people should do when they're expecting.
it's their (the people who don't want abortion/gay marriage/loud music) way of wanting to impose their worldview on others.

If someone believes that it is wrong to kill people,and they believe that an abortion is killing a person, then they probably care about someone else having an abortion.  You both know this already.
it's certainly not wrong to kill people
Your singular/simplistic statements make me wonder what your motive is.

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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #119 on: August 15, 2012, 08:15:07 AM »
I still can't wrap my head around why anyone except maybe the expectant father would care about somebody else having an abortion.  Dobber being rightfully excited when he finds out his own wife is expecting doesn't seem like a good reason to have any opinion on what other people should do when they're expecting.
it's their (the people who don't want abortion/gay marriage/loud music) way of wanting to impose their worldview on others.

If someone believes that it is wrong to kill people,and they believe that an abortion is killing a person, then they probably care about someone else having an abortion.  You both know this already.
it's certainly not wrong to kill people
Your singular/simplistic statements make me wonder what your motive is.
we kill people all the time.
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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #120 on: August 15, 2012, 08:16:38 AM »
I don't. Do you?

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« Reply #121 on: August 15, 2012, 08:21:32 AM »
I don't. Do you?
Maybe inadvertently at some point.
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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #122 on: August 15, 2012, 08:28:53 AM »
I don't. Do you?
Maybe inadvertently at some point.
So is there a difference between killing someone inadvertently vs. intentionally?

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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #123 on: August 15, 2012, 08:29:48 AM »
yesterday someone thought people could be too old for 311, today someone thinks it takes balls to have a right-leaning stance in the DK Dome. My word.

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Re: Operation Rescue (Kansas)
« Reply #124 on: August 15, 2012, 08:42:44 AM »
I still can't wrap my head around why anyone except maybe the expectant father would care about somebody else having an abortion.  Dobber being rightfully excited when he finds out his own wife is expecting doesn't seem like a good reason to have any opinion on what other people should do when they're expecting.

I believe it to be a human life. That is my reason to have an opinion of what other people should do.

Lots of people have weird beliefs.  Not a reason to impose theories stemming from those beliefs on people*.

*humans that have been birf'd.