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Belvis Noland · « **Reply #75 on:** July 19, 2012, 12:21:42 PM »

Incidentally, Karl was a bench player with the Lakers when Kobe was in his prime. Prime Karl starts for any Lakers team Kobe has ever played for.

Brock Landers · « **Reply #76 on:** July 19, 2012, 12:28:04 PM »

I just never got Chris Mullin at all. Went back and looked at his career stats and going into the 92 Olympics he was coming off 4 consecutive seasons of scoring at least 25 points per game, and had one more season over 25 ppg right after that. I guess it's easy to discount him because he's an ugly white guy with a terrible buzz cut.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #77 on:** July 19, 2012, 12:33:50 PM »

Quote from: Brock Landers on July 19, 2012, 12:28:04 PM

I just never got Chris Mullin at all. Went back and looked at his career stats and going into the 92 Olympics he was coming off 4 consecutive seasons of scoring at least 25 points per game, and had one more season over 25 ppg right after that. I guess it's easy to discount him because he's an ugly white guy with a terrible buzz cut.

Pro athletes and pro leagues, on the whole are superior today. Legends are transcendent. Nolan Ryan and Barry Bonds would play in the MLB. Herschel Walker and Jerry Rice would play in the NFL.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #78 on:** July 19, 2012, 12:58:58 PM »

Quote from: asava on July 19, 2012, 12:16:51 PM

Durant and Bird a wash. LOL. You have to be on crack.

IMO, Durant isn't an incredible athlete. He's an incredible shooter and scorer. I think Dirk is one of the best shooters and scorers in the league, but he's not an incredible athlete.

Quote from: asava on July 19, 2012, 12:16:51 PM

Also you forgot about Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Love, Tyson Chandler (reigning defensive MVP), and how good of an athlete russel westbrook is. The 2012 team have 3 or 4 guys who can guard 1-3 (dominantly) and 1-4 (effectively).

I didn't forget about any of these guys. I think they're very good players. As a whole, I think the '92 front court in their prime is superior to the '12 front court. And I don't even think it's close. Granted, I consider James a back court player.

Saulbadguy · « **Reply #79 on:** July 19, 2012, 01:13:32 PM »

Saulbadguy · « **Reply #80 on:** July 19, 2012, 01:14:42 PM »

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #81 on:** July 19, 2012, 03:17:54 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 12:13:25 PM

agreed. some of those guys would see time. a lot wouldn't.

Jordan (probably a starter for most teams today in his prime. possible all star.)
Robinson (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Ewing (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Bird (bench)
Pippen (bench)
Drexler (bench or euro)
Malone (role player)
Stockton (Euro)
Mullin (Insurance salesman)
Barkley (Euro)
Magic (bench or role player)
Laettner (male model)

I honestly can't tell if you are serious. Basically, a bunch of hall of famers in the last 20 years would either be european players or wouldn't play at all. It's so ludicrous I can't even get upset about it. The only way to really respond is to point out some current NBA starters and let you compare to your own list.

Zydrunas Ilgauskas started for the Cavs from 2002-2009. Eric Dampier was a regular starter for the Mavs from 2004-2010. Joel Anthony started many games for the Heat this year. Boris Diaw starts for the Bobcats. Aaron Gray starts for the Raptors. Ron Artest starts for the Lakers. JJ Redick regularly starts for the Magic.

I mean, holy crap, you're going to argue that the Karl rough ridin' Malone, a 6'10" 260lb brick crap house, 2nd most points of all time, who retired in 2005, would be merely a role player in the 2012 NBA where guys like Aaron Gray and Boris Diaw are starters? Magic Johnson would be coming off the bench to backup a guy like JJ Redick? Are you insane? I guess I'm just a tuck, but that's some crazy crap right there.

I get that the average NBA athlete is stronger and faster today. But, come on, every single player on the '92 dream team would play in the NBA today. They may not be HOF guys, or even starters, but every single one of those guys would play today. IMO, Jordan, Pippen, Ewing, Robinson, Malone would still be HOF, All-Star caliber players in today's game. Maybe even Magic and Clyde.

puniraptor · « **Reply #82 on:** July 19, 2012, 03:34:51 PM »

Quote from: Brock Landers on July 19, 2012, 12:28:04 PM

I just never got Chris Mullin at all. Went back and looked at his career stats and going into the 92 Olympics he was coming off 4 consecutive seasons of scoring at least 25 points per game, and had one more season over 25 ppg right after that. I guess it's easy to discount him because he's an ugly white guy with a terrible buzz cut.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html

mullin sucked ass in NBA jam

michigancat · « **Reply #83 on:** July 19, 2012, 03:52:26 PM »

LMAO, the true highlight is Marv Albert saying "FACIAL on Arvydas Sabonis".

oh wow, cool layups, "dream team".

hemmy · « **Reply #84 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:06:32 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 12:13:25 PM

Quote from: Cire on July 19, 2012, 12:05:28 PM
jordan was big/athletic enough in his prime to play today IMO. Probably david robinson as well.

agreed. some of those guys would see time. a lot wouldn't.

Jordan (probably a starter for most teams today in his prime. possible all star.)
Robinson (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Ewing (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Bird (bench)
Pippen (bench)
Drexler (bench or euro)
Malone (role player)
Stockton (Euro)
Mullin (Insurance salesman)
Barkley (Euro)
Magic (bench or role player)
Laettner (male model)

Quit trolling, jesus christ.

felix rex · « **Reply #85 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:16:29 PM »

Was Mullin fat? Because I remember him like a fat Mike Miller who didn't win championships. Also, I'm assuming that all the DreamTeam Believers also think that Red Grange would be a Heisman winner today. Or that Babe Ruth would be winning battle titles. And that their dad can beat up your dad.

Skipper44 · « **Reply #86 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:26:21 PM »

Quote from: felix rex on July 19, 2012, 04:16:29 PM

Was Mullin fat? Because I remember him like a fat Mike Miller who didn't win championships. Also, I'm assuming that all the DreamTeam Believers also think that Red Grange would be a Heisman winner today. Or that Babe Ruth would be winning battle titles. And that their dad can beat up your dad.

Mullin was a big time drinker in his early years - IRCC his flattop years were when he was sober.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #87 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:30:12 PM »

Quote from: felix rex on July 19, 2012, 04:16:29 PM

Was Mullin fat? Because I remember him like a fat Mike Miller who didn't win championships. Also, I'm assuming that all the DreamTeam Believers also think that Red Grange would be a Heisman winner today. Or that Babe Ruth would be winning battle titles. And that their dad can beat up your dad.

Red Grange would suck. Babe Ruth absolutely would be an incredible batter today, especially if got himself on roids like everyone else. Baseball is not about athleticism. See ball. Hit ball.

puniraptor · « **Reply #88 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:39:47 PM »

I have a dream team poster. It says "made in heaven" and appears to be a composite of wheaties box photos.

Brock Landers · « **Reply #89 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:49:40 PM »

Quote from: puniraptor on July 19, 2012, 04:39:47 PM

I have a dream team poster. It says "made in heaven" and appears to be a composite of wheaties box photos.

It's probably the same one Belvis Noland still has hanging above his bed

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #90 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:51:54 PM »

I didn't even know who was on the dream team other than Jordan, Bird, and Magic. I had to look up their wikipedia page so I could participate in this discussion.

felix rex · « **Reply #91 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:57:28 PM »

5'10 white guys cling to Stockton tighter than Stockton's shorts clung to his own upper thighs. And Larry Bird has officially passed into 30 rock mythology as a "white myth." He may as well be rough ridin' St Patrick driving snakes out of Ireland or whatever.

TheCatFanSpeaks · « **Reply #92 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:57:52 PM »

Quote from: puniraptor on July 19, 2012, 03:34:51 PM

mullin sucked ass in NBA jam

You're wrong. Chris was the best at NBA jam. Instant "on fire."

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #93 on:** July 19, 2012, 04:59:35 PM »

Quote from: Brock Landers on July 19, 2012, 04:49:40 PM

It's probably the same one Belvis Noland still has hanging above his bed

I don't have a Dream Team poster hanging above my bed. I did have an Andre Agassi poster in my room until I was about a sophomore in highschool. And my elementary school P.E. teacher (Rich Kuzdym) had a Karl Malone "Mailman" poster hanging in the gym. So, there's that.

Fedor · « **Reply #94 on:** July 19, 2012, 05:16:55 PM »

GTFO Belvis, the athletes are so much better today. For example Cole Aldrich, can barely sniff a roster in the NBA today, would be a solid starter and a possible one off all star in the league 20 years ago.

EllToPay · « **Reply #95 on:** July 19, 2012, 05:56:19 PM »

Quote from: felix rex on July 19, 2012, 04:57:28 PM

And Larry Bird has officially passed into 30 rock mythology as a "white myth." He may as well be rough ridin' St Patrick driving snakes out of Ireland or whatever.

steve dave · « **Reply #96 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:12:36 PM »

Quote from: hemmy on July 19, 2012, 04:06:32 PM

Quote from: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 12:13:25 PM
Quote from: Cire on July 19, 2012, 12:05:28 PM
jordan was big/athletic enough in his prime to play today IMO. Probably david robinson as well.

agreed. some of those guys would see time. a lot wouldn't.

Jordan (probably a starter for most teams today in his prime. possible all star.)
Robinson (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Ewing (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Bird (bench)
Pippen (bench)
Drexler (bench or euro)
Malone (role player)
Stockton (Euro)
Mullin (Insurance salesman)
Barkley (Euro)
Magic (bench or role player)
Laettner (male model)

Quit trolling, jesus christ.

I am absolutely not trolling. Think about the very best play any of the above ever made in their careers. The most athletic, off balance, no look, whatever. Now realize that that play was equaled or surpassed in every single NBA game this season. The players are just better trained, more athletic, more dedicated to the game. The training today along with the early age these kids start playing basketball 60 hours a week puts them in an entirely different game than the dream team era players.

and lol at showing pictures of Karl Malone lifting weights as part of any argument.

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #97 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:19:37 PM »

Yeah, again, if Z can start for the Cavs for in 2010, your list is completely Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Case closed.

steve dave · « **Reply #98 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:21:53 PM »

Quote from: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 06:19:37 PM

Yeah, again, if Z can start for the Cavs for in 2010, your list is completely Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Case closed.

do your own list using my same descriptors. I'm curious as to how it comes out.

_33 · « **Reply #99 on:** July 19, 2012, 06:38:43 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on July 19, 2012, 03:52:26 PM

LMAO, the true highlight is Marv Albert saying "FACIAL on Arvydas Sabonis".

oh wow, cool layups, "dream team".

I could pull 10 highlights out of the game against Great Britain today that would be better than any of those. Good grief those were just awful.