Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program

["storm"nut]

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/KU_Proposes_Tougher_Admissions_Standards_151867905.html

[jmlynch1]

Did you read the last line?

[ChiComCat]

You can't kill something if its already dead

[steve dave]

Students who don't meet the automatic qualifications could still be admitted by a review committee that would consider several other factors.

["storm"nut]

Did you read the last line?

Students who don't meet the automatic qualifications could still be admitted by a review committee that would consider several other factors.

This one,

Love to see the NCAA rule that Dumb Jock is an okay reason to let a student into a school while others non-jock students can't with same grades. This will also hurt there BBall program as well. Bernadette Gray-Little does not like sports and would love to see Memorial torn down from a new library or something.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Did you read the last line?

Students who don't meet the automatic qualifications could still be admitted by a review committee that would consider several other factors.

This one,

Love to see the NCAA rule that Dumb Jock is an okay reason to let a student into a school while others non-jock students can't with same grades. This will also hurt there BBall program as well. Bernadette Gray-Little does not like sports and would love to see Memorial torn down from a new library or something.

The NCAA allows schools across the nation to enroll athletes at lower standards than other students. As long as the athletes meet the standards set by the NCAA, KU can admit them.

I just think it's odd that a school that's worried about declining enrollment numbers is looking to decline those numbers further.

[steve dave]

They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast

[jmlynch1]

They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast

Yeah this is very transparent

[420seriouscat69]

Welp, good luck snob hill. 

["storm"nut]

Wonder what Beems thinks?

[jmlynch1]

Also, good for the AAU for finally getting their crap together and setting some standards. Now maybe Kansas State will want to finally apply for it.

[Rage Against the McKee]

They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast

Would simply raising their undergrad admission standards do anything for them, though? I was under the impression that the AAU was mostly interested in graduate research dollars.

[steve dave]

They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast

Would simply raising their undergrad admission standards do anything for them, though? I was under the impression that the AAU was mostly interested in graduate research dollars.

maybe lowering their standards would draw more research money? 

[Rage Against the McKee]

They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast

Would simply raising their undergrad admission standards do anything for them, though? I was under the impression that the AAU was mostly interested in graduate research dollars.

maybe lowering their standards would draw more research money?

It would draw more tuition money, which would enable them to hire a better staff.

[steve dave]

They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast

Would simply raising their undergrad admission standards do anything for them, though? I was under the impression that the AAU was mostly interested in graduate research dollars.

maybe lowering their standards would draw more research money?

It would draw more tuition money, which would enable them to hire a better staff.

you clearly have a very strong grasp on how this stuff works nuts kicked.  bravo to you. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

They are about to be kicked out of the AAU if they don't do something drastic fast

Would simply raising their undergrad admission standards do anything for them, though? I was under the impression that the AAU was mostly interested in graduate research dollars.

maybe lowering their standards would draw more research money?

It would draw more tuition money, which would enable them to hire a better staff.

you clearly have a very strong grasp on how this stuff works nuts kicked.  bravo to you.

I clearly don't. I think that they will still get kicked out of the AAU no matter what they do, though.

[420seriouscat69]

Wonder what Beems thinks?

I bet we find out soon, can't wait for the spin.

[Fuktard]

On a related....an article in yesterday's star said NCAA could not object to umkc changing an athletes grade from fail to pass so he could remain eligible...I can't imagine we will see another academically inelgigible player at the high major level...at least not anyone of import

[Rage Against the McKee]

http://www.kansas.com/2012/05/17/2338019/ku-proposes-tougher-admissions.html

She said 65 percent of the current students at Kansas would have been accepted under the new automatic admissions process.

So do they expect enrollment to drop by 35%?

Oh, and also

The board is scheduled to vote on the new standards in June. If approved, they wouldn't take effect until 2016.

Would 2016 be soon enough to save their AAU status?

[nohighfives]

Did you read the last line?

Students who don't meet the automatic qualifications could still be admitted by a review committee that would consider several other factors.

This one,

Love to see the NCAA rule that Dumb Jock is an okay reason to let a student into a school while others non-jock students can't with same grades. This will also hurt there BBall program as well. Bernadette Gray-Little does not like sports and would love to see Memorial torn down from a new library or something.

The NCAA allows schools across the nation to enroll athletes at lower standards than other students. As long as the athletes meet the standards set by the NCAA, KU can admit them.

I just think it's odd that a school that's worried about declining enrollment numbers is looking to decline those numbers further.

Are they concerned? This is just a way for them to legitimize the reason they have smaller enrollment numbers; "We may have less students, but they're higher quality." KU can't win the enrollment battle, so why try--we'll raise standards and if we don't get our students, then we didn't want them anyway. They chose to give up.

[420seriouscat69]

KU ppl spin everything. If they lose out on enrollments, "it was planned".

[Rage Against the McKee]

Did you read the last line?

Students who don't meet the automatic qualifications could still be admitted by a review committee that would consider several other factors.

This one,

Love to see the NCAA rule that Dumb Jock is an okay reason to let a student into a school while others non-jock students can't with same grades. This will also hurt there BBall program as well. Bernadette Gray-Little does not like sports and would love to see Memorial torn down from a new library or something.

The NCAA allows schools across the nation to enroll athletes at lower standards than other students. As long as the athletes meet the standards set by the NCAA, KU can admit them.

I just think it's odd that a school that's worried about declining enrollment numbers is looking to decline those numbers further.

Are they concerned? This is just a way for them to legitimize the reason they have smaller enrollment numbers; "We may have less students, but they're higher quality." KU can't win the enrollment battle, so why try--we'll raise standards and if we don't get our students, then we didn't want them anyway. They chose to give up.

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/sep/27/ku-officials-say-theyre-concerned-about-declining-/

[sonofdaxjones]

Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted.   The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%.   If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.

The Animal is eyeing the same thing. 

[420seriouscat69]

Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted.   The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%.   If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.

The Animal is eyeing the same thing.

As I remember to get accepted you needed 2 out of 3. 22 or higher on the ACT, higher than a 2.5 GPA, and something about finishing in the top percent of your class. Does that sound right?

[sonofdaxjones]

Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted.   The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%.   If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.

The Animal is eyeing the same thing.

As I remember to get accepted you needed 2 out of 3. 22 or higher on the ACT, higher than a 2.5 GPA, and something about finishing in the top percent of your class. Does that sound right?

Yeah, that sounds about right.