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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2012, 02:41:11 PM »
If enrollment increasing or decreasting wasn't a big deal, than ku officials wouldn't be falling all over themselves in the last year or so trying to explain why ku's enrollment is falling.


It's not rocket science.  Negative publicity from the ticket scandal and constant bashing from the KC Star.  Plus, there are more K-State alums these days thanks to the huge boost in enrollment that occurred after Snyder revived the football program.  Those alums' kids are graduating high school and going to K-State.

Who said anyting about why its happening.  You attempted to say that its not a big deal . . . when it is.


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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2012, 02:43:39 PM »
KU's wikipedia says they have almost 11,000 "admin. staff"

not sure what admin staff is but damn thats a big number

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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2012, 02:46:19 PM »
KU's wikipedia says they have almost 11,000 "admin. staff"

not sure what admin staff is but damn thats a big number

They've announced layoffs, buyouts/early retirements. 


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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2012, 02:49:59 PM »
If enrollment increasing or decreasting wasn't a big deal, than ku officials wouldn't be falling all over themselves in the last year or so trying to explain why ku's enrollment is falling.


It's not rocket science.  Negative publicity from the ticket scandal and constant bashing from the KC Star.  Plus, there are more K-State alums these days thanks to the huge boost in enrollment that occurred after Snyder revived the football program.  Those alums' kids are graduating high school and going to K-State.

Who said anyting about why its happening.  You attempted to say that its not a big deal . . . when it is.


Not really, at least in my opinion.  700 less students after experiencing peak enrollment is no reason to panic.  KU is still the biggest and best school in the state by far.   

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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2012, 02:53:55 PM »
We're too busy researching stuff like Quantum Dynamics and Self Defending Data networks to worry about glossy brochures and shrinking enrollment.
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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2012, 03:03:41 PM »
Any idea when K-State plans to attain AAU status, 'Pad? 

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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2012, 03:09:32 PM »
Any idea when K-State plans to attain AAU status, 'Pad?

Probably never Beems, a huge amount of research K-State does is considered non-competitive, and the AAU has a big hard on apparently for schools that have the subject matter experts in place that entities within the government just consider the "go to" people.   

Nice deflection though.  We all know ku is clinging for dear life to its AAU status, maybe a little bit more want to, and little less glossy brochure.



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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2012, 03:18:17 PM »
Enrollment comparisons between KU and KSU aren't quite apples to apples.  KU apparently includes the Kansas City commuter school in its base on-campus numbers, so it's literally impossible for the public to tell how many attend @ the Lawrence campus.  KSU might include the Salina flight campus in its base numbers, but I'm not sure.  (And anyway, it's not the same as mixing in part-time night-school attendees...)
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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2012, 04:14:32 PM »
Looking at KSU's ACT scores for 2011, 75% of incoming Freshman scored a 22 or above, so I suspect if the numbers went to 24 than about the same % as ku, 65% would automatically be admitted.   The old sliding GPA/ACT score chart is a favorite of many public universities, so at the end of the day, it won't impact enrollment all that much, essentially weeding out the bottom 8-10%.   If K-State had not admitted the bottom 8% that scored 19 or less, than that pushes K-State's average ACT into the 26 range, and overall academic wonk perception of K-State goes up.

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As I remember to get accepted you needed 2 out of 3. 22 or higher on the ACT, higher than a 2.5 GPA, and something about finishing in the top percent of your class. Does that sound right?
When i went in 3 years ago it was 21 ACT, 2.0 or top 10% of your class. Now it's down to only one of those 3 instead of 2 of. Had a nephew get in without taking the ACT at all. Don't know if that was just a "getting lost in the shuffle" thing, or if you really don't have to take one at all.
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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2012, 04:31:33 PM »
The University of Texas has higher admission requirements than just about every other school in the state, and they have one of the highest enrollments in the country, along with an incredible athletic program.  As for revenue, Northwestern's endowment is over $7.2 billion.

Texas has high standards because they have more applicants than classroom space. You can't say the same for any school in Kansas. Raising the admission standards will cause KU's numbers to look much better to US News, and that might attract some students who actually care about that, but they will have to implement their changes before the new numbers come out. There is no way they will be able to implement changes that would have eliminated 35% of their current students from qualifying and not have a huge enrollment decline in the short term.

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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2012, 04:45:15 PM »
This is just an attempt to weed out the ones who most likely will fail and not finish school.  K-State will take their money and flunk them regardless.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2012, 04:54:52 PM »
This is just an attempt to weed out the ones who most likely will fail and not finish school.  K-State will take their money and flunk them regardless.  :thumbsup:
very true. stiffening requirements doesn't make you a better school, just means you have less money..
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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2012, 05:00:00 PM »
Kansas is a competitive market for students--and the point to emphasize here is that the first year student number at K-State has been trending in a direction/holding steady and KU, at best has leveled off, at worst, trends downward. I'd love to say that K-State is 'doing better.' But, the fact of the matter is that JCCC has increased enrollment, and Wichita State has done better in Sedgwick county (the hardest place to recruit in the state). Truth be told, K-State is doing marginally better, but KU hasn't been able to keep up with community colleges, or combat the Wichita State offers to keep students in Sedgwick county. There's a reason that KU's scholarship packages changed to mirror K-State's scholarship packages last fall (http://www.news.ku.edu/2011/august/15/scholarships.shtml)...because what K-State does, works. Remember, that the commodity here is not really the 'educational value,' as if students were thinking about that, we'd be discussing career placement. It's the educational value mixed with the actual cost of attendance (KU has the 17th highest net cost of attendance in the Nation for public schools http://collegecost.ed.gov/catc/). To give you a sense--suggesting that admissions standards raise your profile is great...but in real numbers...:

2008 (Orange Bowl and NC for KU): 10,902 first years students apply, 10,003 admitted, and of that number,  4,441 enroll.
2009: 10,653 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,740 admitted, 3,897 enrolled.
2010: 10,157 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,397 were admitted, and of that number, 3,671 enrolled.
2011: 10,035 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,306 admitted, and 3,495 enrolled full time.

K-State, on the other hand..
2008 (Orange Bowl and NC for KU): 9,453 apply, 7,980 admitted, and 3,761 enroll.
2009: 8,413 fy applicants, 8,283 admitted, 3,466 enrolled.
2010: 8,268 fy applicants, 8,147 admitted, 3,465 enrolled.
2011: 8,292 fy applicants, 8,204 admitted, 3,644 enrolled.

We're looking at K-State consolidating and getting more people that are in their pool % wise then KU. If KU is a better value--or a heads on even value...KU probably should be getting more students, and K-State should be getting less? Their pool is less, but seem to be doing pretty well with almost 2,000 less students to draw upon. and..if we take things like National Championships and BCS bowls into consideration, we see that both school saw nearly 300 more people enroll at each institution, and K-State saw nearly 1,000 more people apply that year than normal, far less were admitted, while KU only saw around 300 more apply, and admitted marginally more than normal...so whether or not an athletic event of that status affects enrollment is...suspect.
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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2012, 05:26:25 PM »
Kansas is a competitive market for students--and the point to emphasize here is that the first year student number at K-State has been trending in a direction/holding steady and KU, at best has leveled off, at worst, trends downward. I'd love to say that K-State is 'doing better.' But, the fact of the matter is that JCCC has increased enrollment, and Wichita State has done better in Sedgwick county (the hardest place to recruit in the state). Truth be told, K-State is doing marginally better, but KU hasn't been able to keep up with community colleges, or combat the Wichita State offers to keep students in Sedgwick county. There's a reason that KU's scholarship packages changed to mirror K-State's scholarship packages last fall (http://www.news.ku.edu/2011/august/15/scholarships.shtml)...because what K-State does, works. Remember, that the commodity here is not really the 'educational value,' as if students were thinking about that, we'd be discussing career placement. It's the educational value mixed with the actual cost of attendance (KU has the 17th highest net cost of attendance in the Nation for public schools http://collegecost.ed.gov/catc/). To give you a sense--suggesting that admissions standards raise your profile is great...but in real numbers...in a three year trend as Higher Ed often looks at things...:

2009: 10,653 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,740 were admitted, and of that number, 3,897 enrolled.
2010: 10,157 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,397 were admitted, and of that number, 3,671 enrolled.
2011: 10,035 first year students applied to KU for admission, 9,306 admitted, and 3,495 enrolled full time.

K-State, on the other hand..
2009: 8,413 fy applicants, 8,283 admitted, 3,466 enrolled.
2010: 8,268 fy applicants, 8,147 admitted, 3,465 enrolled.
2011: 8,292 fy applicants, 8,204 admitted, 3,644 enrolled.

We're looking at K-State consolidating and getting more people that are in their pool % wise then KU. If KU is a better value--or a heads on even value...KU probably should be getting more students, and K-State should be getting less? Their pool is less, but seem to be doing pretty well with almost 2,000 less students to draw upon.
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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2012, 05:29:09 PM »
If enrollment increasing or decreasting wasn't a big deal, than ku officials wouldn't be falling all over themselves in the last year or so trying to explain why ku's enrollment is falling.


It's not rocket science.  Negative publicity from the ticket scandal and constant bashing from the KC Star.  Plus, there are more K-State alums these days thanks to the huge boost in enrollment that occurred after Snyder revived the football program.  Those alums' kids are graduating high school and going to K-State.
Just wanted to repost this and remind everyone that you blamed lagging enrollments on the Kansas City Star.

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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #65 on: May 17, 2012, 05:30:20 PM »
If enrollment increasing or decreasting wasn't a big deal, than ku officials wouldn't be falling all over themselves in the last year or so trying to explain why ku's enrollment is falling.


It's not rocket science.  Negative publicity from the ticket scandal and constant bashing from the KC Star.  Plus, there are more K-State alums these days thanks to the huge boost in enrollment that occurred after Snyder revived the football program.  Those alums' kids are graduating high school and going to K-State.
Just wanted to repost this and remind everyone that you blamed lagging enrollments on the Kansas City Star.

they constantly bash ku man.  kids read the paper and are like, nope, i'm going to k-state.
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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #66 on: May 17, 2012, 06:00:15 PM »
Beems took that one hook line and sinker. It was a no win for him and he went for it.  :emawkid:
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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2012, 06:24:57 PM »
Beems new Delta Tau Chi pledge name is:  The Explainer


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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2012, 06:50:00 PM »
It's just Delta Chi, 'Pad.

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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2012, 09:21:26 PM »
Did hear the chairman of BOR commend k-state on working with JCCC...you can get an associates from JCCC if you meet the requirements while working on a bachelor's at k-state.  :gocho:

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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2012, 10:26:09 PM »
K-State 2011 enrollment 23,800
KU 2011 enrollment 25,200

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Re: Harvard of the Plains is trying to kill their football program
« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2012, 11:56:46 AM »
How many is that new dorm of ours expected to hold.


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