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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #775 on: July 27, 2021, 04:25:58 PM »
Pretty horrible day for the USOC. The softball women lost in the gold medal game and Simone Biles just said, "nah, I'm good."
The discourse around this is really strange too. Mental health is important, but pretending this is a good thing is total nonsense.  ESPN called her “the ultimate teammate” after quitting on her team, because she cheered and got them chalk.

It's not like she had 5 years to get mentally ready for the Olympics.  This is probably more on the coaches than anything.

It's not just that for me, and I'll start this by saying she's an amazing athlete, one of the best if not the best OAT regardless of this decision, and I can kinda of see the whole when you know or can tell you're off, letting them know something isn't right and feeling like not competing is better than competing may just indeed be the best path forward, and I'm also not going to discount her at all, I can't imagine the pressure of being basically the face of this olympics for Team USA, has to be brutal.

That all being said, it's an unbelievable gut punch to her team and teammates to do that, you're the ringer, you're the ace. This is like Lebron, or Brady, or Mahomes or whoever just deciding right in the clutch moment to not perform and not be that clutch person and walk off the field and be like "you know I feel off, I'm just going to sit this out." Her (and their) entire life has revolved around that sport, the hours, practice, determination, everything, true competitors get to that level because they want to be there, so to just up and not want it is just astounding to me. It's such a departure from what makes elite athletes (or really anyone who is elite) tick. Be it artists, musicians, or any top notch professional. And if that feeling of burnout and self doubt no doubt exists in their psyche, but to have others count on your, and pull that rug out right at the moment you are set to perform what you've worked your whole life for, if not for you, do it for your teammates. It's a bitterly disappointing move from such a big star.

I do think though there is going to be a pretty juicy back story to come to light from this, it won't be pretty, I doubt she arrived at that decision organically, I wonder what machinations are going on behind the scenes....

Yeah, and the mental health issues that did lead her to leave her team in the biggest moment, have to be deeper than something that can be fixed in a week.  It will be interesting if she comes back for the individual events and just kills it.

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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #776 on: July 27, 2021, 04:35:15 PM »
Pretty horrible day for the USOC. The softball women lost in the gold medal game and Simone Biles just said, "nah, I'm good."
The discourse around this is really strange too. Mental health is important, but pretending this is a good thing is total nonsense.  ESPN called her “the ultimate teammate” after quitting on her team, because she cheered and got them chalk.

It's not like she had 5 years to get mentally ready for the Olympics.  This is probably more on the coaches than anything.

It's not just that for me, and I'll start this by saying she's an amazing athlete, one of the best if not the best OAT regardless of this decision, and I can kinda of see the whole when you know or can tell you're off, letting them know something isn't right and feeling like not competing is better than competing may just indeed be the best path forward, and I'm also not going to discount her at all, I can't imagine the pressure of being basically the face of this olympics for Team USA, has to be brutal.

That all being said, it's an unbelievable gut punch to her team and teammates to do that, you're the ringer, you're the ace. This is like Lebron, or Brady, or Mahomes or whoever just deciding right in the clutch moment to not perform and not be that clutch person and walk off the field and be like "you know I feel off, I'm just going to sit this out." Her (and their) entire life has revolved around that sport, the hours, practice, determination, everything, true competitors get to that level because they want to be there, so to just up and not want it is just astounding to me. It's such a departure from what makes elite athletes (or really anyone who is elite) tick. Be it artists, musicians, or any top notch professional. And if that feeling of burnout and self doubt no doubt exists in their psyche, but to have others count on your, and pull that rug out right at the moment you are set to perform what you've worked your whole life for, if not for you, do it for your teammates. It's a bitterly disappointing move from such a big star.

I do think though there is going to be a pretty juicy back story to come to light from this, it won't be pretty, I doubt she arrived at that decision organically, I wonder what machinations are going on behind the scenes....

Yeah, and the mental health issues that did lead her to leave her team in the biggest moment, have to be deeper than something that can be fixed in a week.  It will be interesting if she comes back for the individual events and just kills it.

Absolutely, you have to be pretty far gone to make that decision the way she did IMO, I do hope if it truly is that, she gets the help she needs because damn, what a moment to have that mental break happen, she had to have snapped well before this olympics and she didn't realize it.
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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #777 on: July 27, 2021, 05:16:08 PM »
Pretty horrible day for the USOC. The softball women lost in the gold medal game and Simone Biles just said, "nah, I'm good."
The discourse around this is really strange too. Mental health is important, but pretending this is a good thing is total nonsense.  ESPN called her “the ultimate teammate” after quitting on her team, because she cheered and got them chalk.

It's absolutely a good thing. I hate that we want athletes to crap we would never do, all in the name of entertainment. Most people get sick days and/or mental health days at their job. She felt the need to use one of hers, good for her, she's accomplished all that she can in her career. If she woke up one day and said, you know what, eff this, she's 100% earned it. Think of the most accomplished person in the history of your employer, you think they can get away with things that Johnny Come In At 9:01 Everyday does? eff yes, because they earned it.

The Kerri Strug thing was awesome when it happened, but it was unnecessary. That was a 19 year old girl who, we know in retrospect, felt like she needed to but her body in harms way for what we now know were very abusive coaches. She was literally frightened into running on, vaulting, and landing on an ankle with two torn ligaments. That's rough ridin' deplorable and emblematic of what USA Gymnastics are. Now we come full circle to this woman, who was raped repeatedly by her rough ridin' team doctor, having to perform for USA Gymnastics, who not only covered for that monster, but then didn't wholeheartedly support the woman who were victimized by said monster.

If anybody in the history of life earned the right to do a Forrest Gump and just stop, turn around and go home, it was Simone Biles. Good for her.

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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #778 on: July 27, 2021, 05:26:13 PM »
thanks MiR. was gonna say there were some really shitty takes flying around ITT

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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #779 on: July 27, 2021, 06:14:17 PM »
Her body her choice. She doesn’t owe anyone


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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #780 on: July 27, 2021, 06:15:18 PM »
I did want to see her do her crazy trick in competition though


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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #781 on: July 27, 2021, 06:18:24 PM »
Very well said mir.
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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #782 on: July 27, 2021, 08:20:06 PM »
Very well said mir.
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Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #783 on: July 27, 2021, 08:24:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1420122875323985920

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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #784 on: July 27, 2021, 08:42:09 PM »
Isnt 24 really old for gymnastics??

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« Reply #785 on: July 27, 2021, 08:57:25 PM »
Isnt 24 really old for gymnastics??

Ancient. Someone obv had to persuade her pretty hard to do these olympics. All for the ratings and ad sales of course.
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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #786 on: July 27, 2021, 08:59:23 PM »
https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1420122875323985920

Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro are like the perfect storm of:

a) people I believe I could beat the crap out of irl while wearing flip flops
b) people that need the living crap beat out of them irl.


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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #787 on: July 27, 2021, 09:05:37 PM »
Appreciate the perspective MIR. Not sure I’m 100% of the way there with you, but I see it. Ultimately she should give zero shits about the opinions of anyone but her teammates here.  Coaches, USA Gymnastics, jackwad American fans? eff em.
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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #788 on: July 27, 2021, 09:12:09 PM »
https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1420122875323985920

Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro are like the perfect storm of:

a) people I believe I could beat the crap out of irl while wearing flip flops
b) people that need the living crap beat out of them irl.


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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #789 on: July 27, 2021, 09:31:20 PM »
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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #790 on: July 27, 2021, 09:46:06 PM »
thanks MiR. was gonna say there were some really shitty takes flying around ITT

I think a lot of people either don't know or forgot about her being assaulted by Nasser. I am also certain that people didn't know that Strug actually didn't need to do that vault, didn't know the nature of her injury, at the time we thought it was "just" a sprained ankle, and I'm definitely sure 99.95% of casual Olympics watchers, even those who are devoted sports fans don't know about the Karoli's history of physical and mental a use of their gymnasts.

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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #791 on: July 27, 2021, 09:51:37 PM »
eff, Katie Ledecky didn't medal either. Today in Japan is starting just as shitty as yesterday was. Good on Carissa Moore hooking up that surfing gold though, happy for her. Concast had a congrats commercial ready, that was cool.

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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #792 on: July 27, 2021, 10:40:40 PM »
eff, Katie Ledecky didn't medal either. Today in Japan is starting just as shitty as yesterday was. Good on Carissa Moore hooking up that surfing gold though, happy for her. Concast had a congrats commercial ready, that was cool.
I think she won? Or was that an alert for a different race? She won the 1500
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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #794 on: July 28, 2021, 01:05:57 AM »
Women's water polo lost :frown:

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« Reply #795 on: July 28, 2021, 01:31:28 AM »
Simone done :frown:
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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #796 on: July 28, 2021, 01:50:44 AM »
eff, Katie Ledecky didn't medal either. Today in Japan is starting just as shitty as yesterday was. Good on Carissa Moore hooking up that surfing gold though, happy for her. Concast had a congrats commercial ready, that was cool.
I think she won? Or was that an alert for a different race? She won the 1500

Didn't medal in the 200, won the 1500 like an hour later. Pretty amazing that she even made the finals in two such different events.

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« Reply #797 on: July 28, 2021, 01:55:51 AM »
thanks MiR. was gonna say there were some really shitty takes flying around ITT

I think a lot of people either don't know or forgot about her being assaulted by Nasser. I am also certain that people didn't know that Strug actually didn't need to do that vault, didn't know the nature of her injury, at the time we thought it was "just" a sprained ankle, and I'm definitely sure 99.95% of casual Olympics watchers, even those who are devoted sports fans don't know about the Karoli's history of physical and mental a use of their gymnasts.

So I just watched the actual competition, it's pretty obvious that if she continued she was going to hurt herself. It got to the point where it was legitimately dangerous for her to be performing, she looked awful in the two vaults she did. She literally bailed midair on both attempts and rolled out her landing on the first one, literally had to roll because her landing was so poor.

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« Reply #798 on: July 28, 2021, 07:43:04 AM »
thanks MiR. was gonna say there were some really shitty takes flying around ITT

I think a lot of people either don't know or forgot about her being assaulted by Nasser. I am also certain that people didn't know that Strug actually didn't need to do that vault, didn't know the nature of her injury, at the time we thought it was "just" a sprained ankle, and I'm definitely sure 99.95% of casual Olympics watchers, even those who are devoted sports fans don't know about the Karoli's history of physical and mental a use of their gymnasts.

So I just watched the actual competition, it's pretty obvious that if she continued she was going to hurt herself. It got to the point where it was legitimately dangerous for her to be performing, she looked awful in the two vaults she did. She literally bailed midair on both attempts and rolled out her landing on the first one, literally had to roll because her landing was so poor.
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Re: Summer Olympics thread
« Reply #799 on: July 28, 2021, 09:14:47 AM »
thanks MiR. was gonna say there were some really shitty takes flying around ITT

For the record, I was never saying Simone removing herself for her mental issues was bogus, or inappropriate.  She should have done what she did.  I think her coaches failed big time in getting her ready.  Obviously the Olympic women's gymnastic coaches are giant POS, so it's not surprising, but the pressure on her to perform and win in 2020 started immediately after she did so in 2016.  There needs to be more attention put on them for not getting her mentally ready, imo.  And then them coming out and saying she is going to get professional help in Japan and come back in less than a week and compete was ridiculous.