Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread

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I like Dlew 12, but MIR just made one hell of an assessment and I got to totally agree.  Dlew 12, I know it's popular to put down state players on this board; but goddamm give this young man a break.  He put his heart into this team and played hurt last season and still won games that we shouldn't have.

Pointing out that Klein "played very bad" against baylor and "blew it" is putting him down?

Is this really contentious stuff?

No, you are right. Klein lost the Heisman by playing bad against Baylor.  How could anyone argue against that? I guess MIR did in his post but I :dnr: it. Sorry.

[TheHamburglar]

I just thought the bolded point was funny.  Meant to address it.

Anyway, I'm saying that if K-State went to the national championship game despite the Baylor loss, there is definitely an argument that could be made that Klein should win the Heisman.  According to the list of former winners I posted, being one of the top two BCS teams matters a lot.

Is that okay with you?  It isn't with me.  BTW I disagree with your assessment that the voters are punishing Klein because K-State isn't playing for the national championship, and that will absolutely bear itself out if Manziel wins.  Manziel would have been Manziel if the three teams above us lost in the last two weeks of the season, he and his team would have had no effect whatsoever with that.

Sidenote...Did you know that when Ty Detmer won the Heisman his regular season wasn't over?  When the heisman was being awarded to him, he and BYU were busy losing to Hawaii in the last game of their regular season.

Objectively speaking, yeah, going to the NC is very important.  Just ask Troy Smith up there.  And I guess that metric is okay with me inasmuch as wins being counted as part of the "formula" are okay with me.  Hypothetically, we all would've been okay with "NC appearance" being included in Klein's resume if he went to the national championship.  Being one of the top two teams in the country is a tough thing to do.  K-State being in the national title hunt was the main reason Klein received as much hype as he did - because again, it wasn't due to his numbers.  I guess I thought we all knew Klein was going to have to keep winning to get the Heisman. 

Re. Teo, I will be incredibly surprised if he wins. 

I get that Manziel would always have been Manziel if K-State was in the national championship game, and I'm not saying Klein definitely would have won.  But he at least would have had a better argument.  Because he fits the very simple formula I discussed above.  A lot more people would be arguing for Klein in the heisman race than there are currently.  I'm not saying he'd win, but he'd at least have an argument.

Also, that's hilarious about Detmer.

Dlew, I know what you are saying.  The Heisman results are directly related to how strong the hype machine is for you, and "led his team to the NC game with a chance at leading his team the NC" is adding nitro to hype machine engine. 

Another example of something a player has no impact on, but plays a huge role in their chances at winning the Heisman : Te'o had no impact on that Pitt kicker missing that FG to beat ND, but if he makes it ND isn't playing for the NC and Te'o's Heisman chances take a huge hit.  He sure as crap doesn't win all those awards this week.  Jenkins or Clowney may have those LB/Defensive trophies.

[p1k3]

K-State is too good for awards. WGAF

["storm"nut]

        PLITS   CMP   ATT   YDS   CMP%   YPA   LNG   TD   INT   SACK   RAT      Rush yards  rush TD  Total Yards   Total TD
QB 1 Season   276   451   4121 61.2   9.14   80   31   13   16          154.9    531             9            4652             40
QB 2 Season   273   400   3419 68.3   8.55   89   24   8   22          155.9   1181            19          4600             43


Both beat #1 "Heisman Moment"


One is going to win the Heisman, the other was never brought up. This shows to me how flawed the Heisman trophy has become and how stats mean almost nothing when it comes to the award and so it is fruitless to argue with them..

["storm"nut]

going to sound butthurt/tinfoilish but has anyone ever calculated what percentage of the vote ESPN employees have?

[chum1]

OH MY GOD THIS HEISMAN VOTER IS SO FULL OF crap

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["storm"nut]

who's heisman campain should we be working on for next year.

Tyler Locket
D Sams
John Hubert
<insert name>

I think John Hubert is our best shot next year. After all Danny Smackdown (D Sams) will just be a sophomore and Tyler Locket is just too skinny to lift the Heisman trophy.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

Love how espnu is spending the morning replaying atm vs bama followed by ND vs USC. No k state game. Atleast espn is admitting Klein is just there to fill a chair.

[Perry]

He was just live on sportscenter, nothing interesting said or asked really, same stuff he's been saying all year

[reidrolled]

Dlew12
I think the butthurt comes from the fact that people feel that Manziel's numbers should have some sort of asterisk next to it. I completely agree that the winner is either going to be someone that puts his team in the NC, or someone with gaudy #'s. I completely accept that.
-The problem with manziel (IMO) was that he put up a lot of #'s against teams he had no reason/business doing it against.  He scored 6 touchdowns in a 48-3 win against SMU. 5 touchdowns in a 70-14 win against South Carolina State. Scored 4 touchdowns and threw for 450 yards in a 58-10 win against pig-aggie. Another 5 touchdowns in a 63-21 win against Auburn. And another 5 touchdowns in a 59-29 win against Mizzou.

- He obviously would have had an incredible season even had ATM played more conservatively in those blowout wins.
The problem I have is that they had him do stupid crap like kick an extra point for no reason in those games.

So back to the original point. Yes, I am fine with the heisman winner either being a guy that takes his team to the NC, or a guy who has incredible #'s. I am not so fine with it if those incredible #'s are due to inflated stats against overmatched teams.

I think a coach is obviously trying to gain as much attention as possible for his QB when he has said QB kick an extra point for no rough ridin' reason. At that point, I start to question how many of those touchdowns and yards in blow out wins were because the team needed them to win, or the coach was just pumping stats his QB's way.

Either way, I am fine with Klein not getting the Heisman, as he neither put up incredible #'s or was able to take his team to the NC.

It's kind of like a "if we cant have it, then neither should they" attitude

[Hurricane Cat]

K-State is too good for awards. WGAF

   KSU DOES NOT NEED this validation

[ChiComCat]

Collin doesn't have the numbers to win it.  And if you don't have the numbers to win it, but you still win it, that is really bad. Collin would be mocked and critiqued and laughed at for the rest of his life. Jason White, version 2.0, but maybe worse if he doesn't fade into obscurity like White did.

Honestly, Collin doesn't want it and you shouldn't either.

If Manziel wins, we are going to witness his life turn into a dumpster fire. Entertaining, but catastrophic and very sad in the end.

I'm rooting for Te'o. You should, too. He's an awesome dude. Almost as good at linebacker as Arthur.

If you don't "have the numbers" to win it and still win it, who gives a crap?  Who really gives Jason White crap?  Or Eric Crouch?  Also, White actually had the numbers.  Klein winning it would be like Tebow or Crouch.  People would say he was a great college player that didn't translate to the Pros.  Who gives a crap?  K-State having a Heisman trophy winner would be big for recruiting and the national perception of our university.  If you don't want Klein to win it, you're a dumbass.

[Bloodfart]

Oh man ChiCat making my backside nice an ripe for the picking.

[PoetWarrior]

Be near www.youtube.com at the end of the ceremony.

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[DQ12]

Cannot wait, PW.  I'm sure it will be beautiful and thought provoking.

[Bloodfart]

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I WILL BE NEAR!!!

[kim carnes]

Be near www.youtube.com at the end of the ceremony.

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what if klein wins?

[3maw]

Be near www.youtube.com at the end of the ceremony.

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what if klein wins?

be there either way

[Sandstone Outcropping]

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I WILL BE NEAR!!!

[Stevesie60]

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[kslim]

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debonair

[SPE_khat]

Manziels acne  worse than Spracne. Klein easily the best looking candidate. K-State rules.

[jde512]

Mante rockin' the shrubbery.

[EMAWesome]

Manziel making fun of people with speech impediments...classy guy

[BackPayne]

This should just be called the Manziel Super Show with special guests Klein and Teo. Sheesh.