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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: kso_FAN on May 03, 2012, 02:34:54 PM
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I don't believe we have one of these officially. (though there were some Kleinsman posts last season).
We should.
http://heismanpundit.com/2012/04/09/ranking-the-top-10-heisman-candidates-by-conference-the-big-12/
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If Klein and KSU can achieve the same level of success as last year, he will easily be my favorite Cat of all time and favorite back to back KSU seasons.
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don't like it. sounds too much like klansman.
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HeisKlein
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Kleisman
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Klein,HeisCollManin
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Colin doesn't care about dumb awards. Except Big 12 titles
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Touchdown Collin Heisman Klein.
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Klein,HeisCollManin
This one rolls off the tongue very nicely. :thumbs:
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Honey Heis Badger Man
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Klein Heisman Collin Trophy
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Hiemsan Klein
get rid of Collin
unless its Collin UT a buncha bitches Klein
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can the chamber shoot to the top of heisman hopefuls? tune in this fall to find out folks.
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can the chamber shoot to the top of heisman hopefuls? tune in this fall to find out folks.
One thing i am certain of is that folks will tune in. America will watch America's team.
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can the chamber shoot to the top of heisman hopefuls? tune in this fall to find out folks.
One thing i am certain of is that folks will tune in. America will watch America's team.
:surprised: :love:
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can the chamber shoot to the top of heisman hopefuls? tune in this fall to find out folks.
One thing i am certain of is that folks will tune in. America will watch America's team.
We already stole their shitty uniforms, we don't need to steal their douchey nickname as well.
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BUMP
Let's get our guy Collin his stiffarm trophy!
:ksu:
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how has this not been posted yet (in this thread)?
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how has this not been posted yet (in this thread)?
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_FAN, use this image in a heisman shirt please. TIA.
Let's get this rough ridin' campaign started.
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He's not going to win the Heisman...
due to the fact he will decline the invite to New York....
he will be too busy watching film on bama............
:gocho:
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The obvious effort first:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi133.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq45%2Fkougar24%2FKState%2Fklein-heisman.png&hash=ab1d38fe0a043769cbc75f7a1928935441c1c6aa)
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The obvious effort first:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi133.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq45%2Fkougar24%2FKState%2Fklein-heisman.png&hash=ab1d38fe0a043769cbc75f7a1928935441c1c6aa)
:love:
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Well done Kougar
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I have to note the SID's website is more interested in pushing Daniel Thomas for national awards at current.
Not making this up. If you go to the SID website and hit the football link, the little intro page is still pimping Daniel Thomas in the lower left (most people dont' see it because you have the option to either click the "Enter" button and go on to the football page, or you can select the "Skip Permanently" button and to for go these little notice pages for the future (I assume most have hit the "Skip Permanently" button - including the SID people - and thus don't realize this stuff is still up).
I would do a Jerry Palm face thingy here, but I'm not overly surprised by this current situation.
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I have to note the SID's website is more interested in pushing Daniel Thomas for national awards at current.
Not making this up. If you go to the SID website and hit the football link, the little intro page is still pimping Daniel Thomas in the lower left (most people dont' see it because you have the option to either click the "Enter" button and go on to the football page, or you can select the "Skip Permanently" button and to for go these little notice pages for the future (I assume most have hit the "Skip Permanently" button - including the SID people - and thus don't realize this stuff is still up).
I would do a Jerry Palm face thingy here, but I'm not overly surprised by this current situation.
:facepalm:
so kstate0
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I have to note the SID's website is more interested in pushing Daniel Thomas for national awards at current.
Not making this up. If you go to the SID website and hit the football link, the little intro page is still pimping Daniel Thomas in the lower left (most people dont' see it because you have the option to either click the "Enter" button and go on to the football page, or you can select the "Skip Permanently" button and to for go these little notice pages for the future (I assume most have hit the "Skip Permanently" button - including the SID people - and thus don't realize this stuff is still up).
I would do a Jerry Palm face thingy here, but I'm not overly surprised by this current situation.
:facepalm:
so kstate0
Dropped John Curry an e-mail about it. Probably shouldn't have, but sheesh.
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I have to note the SID's website is more interested in pushing Daniel Thomas for national awards at current.
Not making this up. If you go to the SID website and hit the football link, the little intro page is still pimping Daniel Thomas in the lower left (most people dont' see it because you have the option to either click the "Enter" button and go on to the football page, or you can select the "Skip Permanently" button and to for go these little notice pages for the future (I assume most have hit the "Skip Permanently" button - including the SID people - and thus don't realize this stuff is still up).
I would do a Jerry Palm face thingy here, but I'm not overly surprised by this current situation.
:facepalm:
so kstate0
Dropped John Curry an e-mail about it. Probably shouldn't have, but sheesh.
Kstate0 can only be stopped if people want the ADept to get their heads where the sun is shinning
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Honey Heis Badger Man
If you haven't said this one out loud yet, go ahead and do that right now.
:lol:
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Up to #3...
http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/ (http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/)
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Only 3000 likes.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Collin-Klein-for-Heisman/193432787405648
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Only 3000 likes.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Collin-Klein-for-Heisman/193432787405648
kougz should probably post that picture there
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Up to #3...
http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/ (http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/)
EJ Manuel might be trouble, but Geno Smith is going to sink like a rock when WVU starts losing Big 12 games left and right.
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poon, requesting an OptimusKlein transformer heisman pose.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/page/BMOC-092512/the-bmoc-surveys-landry-jones-fall-heisman-race-alabama-crimson-tide-more
I'm sure this is Luked but this jack off WOJ literally gave Klein and the zero press untill this week. Not even a dark horse canidate. And now he is sitted front and center in NY? Sounds like he just hopped on the bandwagon. :driving:
Must have been the crazy videogame like stats from the OU game.
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Up to #3...
http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/ (http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/)
EJ Manuel might be trouble, but Geno Smith is going to sink like a rock when WVU starts losing Big 12 games left and right.
Baylor lost 3 games last year and RG3 still won the Heisman. Not saying it's the exact same situation because it's not, but if Geno continues to put up video game numbers, it might not matter if WVU loses a few games.
What will matter is that we beat WVU head to head and Klein puts the proverbial clownsuit on him.
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As much as I prefer The Chamber to Optimus Klein, I think we need to run with it. Just really jam it in everyone's fat faces and go wild.
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Only 3000 likes.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Collin-Klein-for-Heisman/193432787405648
kougz should probably post that picture there
Feel free.
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I think it would be really awesome if poonhound69 would make a video leading up to Collin's Heisman pose during the OU game. Then, just as Collin is making the pose, the video would slow to a freeze and Collin would morph into bronze right on the field.
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Super low-res, but all I could find in a pinch:
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Super low-res, but all I could find in a pinch:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi133.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq45%2Fkougar24%2FKState%2Foptimus-klein-heisman.png&hash=90df7545d70dee6de4f687b5882c0987d160ad5d)
Not bad, Kougz. Not as clean as poonhound's, but serviceable.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8427345&categoryid=2564308
Todd McShay ranks heisman candidates
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8427345&categoryid=2564308
Todd McShay ranks heisman candidates
i've always said that McShay is the best analyst that ESPN has. there really is no one better, and i can't think of a single prediction he has had that has been wrong.
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Not bad, Kougz. Not as clean as poonhound's, but serviceable.
I'm getting mixed signals here...
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As much as I prefer The Chamber to Optimus Klein, I think we need to run with it. Just really jam it in everyone's fat faces and go wild.
Particularly since it seems to piss off a particular KU player. If KU ain't happy, you must be doing something right.
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Time to kick this campaign into full motherfucking gear.
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Somebody needs to show poonhound69's newest work to the U. They love him so much that he should probably just change his name to puunhound69.
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As much as I prefer The Chamber to Optimus Klein, I think we need to run with it. Just really jam it in everyone's fat faces and go wild.
Particularly since it seems to piss off a particular KU player. If KU ain't happy, you must be doing something right.
goEMAW confirmed that the KU player was a fake due to the lack of being able to find anyone who had ever actually heard of him and due to his lack of discussion of drunk driving or domestic violence.
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As much as I prefer The Chamber to Optimus Klein, I think we need to run with it. Just really jam it in everyone's fat faces and go wild.
Particularly since it seems to piss off a particular KU player. If KU ain't happy, you must be doing something right.
herp mothertruckin derp
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8427345&categoryid=2564308
Todd McShay ranks heisman candidates
I was hoping for a little more than, "What can you say about him? He's just a winner," but I'll take it.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8427345&categoryid=2564308
Todd McShay ranks heisman candidates
I was hoping for a little more than, "What can you say about him? He's just a winner," but I'll take it.
Tebow won a Heisman on that premise alone, didn't he?
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8427345&categoryid=2564308
Todd McShay ranks heisman candidates
I was hoping for a little more than, "What can you say about him? He's just a winner," but I'll take it.
Tebow won two Heismans on that premise alone, didn't he?
No he only won 1 Heisman.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8427345&categoryid=2564308
Todd McShay ranks heisman candidates
I was hoping for a little more than, "What can you say about him? He's just a winner," but I'll take it.
Tebow won two Heismans on that premise alone, didn't he?
That and being at Florida
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Plus a national title, so it should be basically even.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8427345&categoryid=2564308
Todd McShay ranks heisman candidates
I was hoping for a little more than, "What can you say about him? He's just a winner," but I'll take it.
Tebow won a Heisman on that premise alone, didn't he?
True, but it was almost comical how fast that cut away after naming Klein at the top spot. They literally spent 1/4 the time on him as every other dude in the top 5. I can think of plenty of other ways to describe him like leader, warrior, freak athlete, mandolinist, etc, etc...
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I think it would be cool if there was a gif of the point of view circling the trophy and when the angle fit the photo on page 1 it sort of glitches and flashes the collin pic in a Tyler Durden sort of way.
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I think it would be cool if there was a gif of the point of view circling the trophy and when the angle fit the photo on page 1 it sort of glitches and flashes the collin pic in a Tyler Durden sort of way.
If you can point me to a rotating Heisman image...or even a YouTube video of such, I will work with it. I did find a couple videos of the 1959 Heisman that actually rotates in its display at TJ Ribs in Baton Rouge, but there is a glare from the glass.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8427345&categoryid=2564308
Todd McShay ranks heisman candidates
I was hoping for a little more than, "What can you say about him? He's just a winner," but I'll take it.
Tebow won a Heisman on that premise alone, didn't he?
True, but it was almost comical how fast that cut away after naming Klein at the top spot. They literally spent 1/4 the time on him as every other dude in the top 5. I can think of plenty of other ways to describe him like leader, warrior, freak athlete, mandolinist, etc, etc...
That wasn't on purpose. On live TV he went on about it. The video posted was cut off too soon.
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8427345&categoryid=2564308
Todd McShay ranks heisman candidates
I was hoping for a little more than, "What can you say about him? He's just a winner," but I'll take it.
Tebow won a Heisman on that premise alone, didn't he?
True, but it was almost comical how fast that cut away after naming Klein at the top spot. They literally spent 1/4 the time on him as every other dude in the top 5. I can think of plenty of other ways to describe him like leader, warrior, freak athlete, mandolinist, etc, etc...
That wasn't on purpose. On live TV he went on about it. The video posted was cut off too soon.
What else did he say? Could we see the rest?
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Haha ever since we beat OU all their fans have come up to me and told me " Optimus Klein for Heisman" :ksu:
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"Collin Klein, a Leader of Men"
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Plus a national title, so it should be basically even.
2 titles.
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I tried my best _FAN impression to make a shirt and it didn't end well. Help us, _FAN. You're our only hope.
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I tried my best _FAN impression to make a shirt and it didn't end well.
I still want your #life shirt.
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I tried my best _FAN impression to make a shirt and it didn't end well.
I still want your #life shirt.
They come in tomorrow, already texted Flow about picking his up
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I tried my best _FAN impression to make a shirt and it didn't end well.
I still want your #life shirt.
They come in tomorrow, already texted Flow about picking his up
#humblebrag
:love:
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I think this goes here:
http://www.kstatesports.com/feature/collinklein/ (http://www.kstatesports.com/feature/collinklein/)
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I think this goes here:
http://www.kstatesports.com/feature/collinklein/ (http://www.kstatesports.com/feature/collinklein/)
I see the The Chamber has been replaced with the optimus prime head.
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I love that KSTATE0 has replaced paint with blood as its go to splatter.
:bill:
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I love that KSTATE0 has replaced paint with blood as its go to splatter.
:bill:
Hmmmm...Halloween KSTATE0 poster you say?
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I love that KSTATE0 has replaced paint with blood as its go to splatter.
:bill:
gross, IMHO.
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I love that KSTATE0 has replaced paint with blood as its go to splatter.
:bill:
gross, IMHO.
Seems like someone needs to work on #5: BE TOUGH.
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We still need an official goEMAW.com Klein for Heisman shirt.
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We still need an official goEMAW.com Klein for Heisman shirt.
We are saving our endorsement for #life in 2 years
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We still need an official goEMAW.com Klein for Heisman shirt.
We are saving our endorsement for #life in 2 years
:dubious:
I want the crap out of any memorabilia that relates to this year. Ou shirts, Heisman shirts, I want it all goddammit.
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Everyone does realize that after we dismantle WVU Geno Smith is a shoe in for the Heisman
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_Fan. It's happening. We need goEMAW.com Heisman shirts.
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_Fan. It's happening. We need goEMAW.com Heisman shirts.
WOULD BUY
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Yeah, I need something non-copyrighted. But it will be done this week.
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Yeah, I need something non-copyrighted. But it will be done this week.
Something like
"Collin Klein is a complete badass and if you don't give him the Heisman it means you're a nazi terrorist who hates little kids"
"goEMAW.com"
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"Heisman" is probably copyrighted
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I want this to happen so hard.
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"Heisman" is probably copyrighted
Very.
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would a Optimus Klein striking the Heisman pose get you sued?
Maybe revisit The Kleinsman idea?
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would a Optimus Klein striking the Heisman pose get you sued?
Maybe revisit The Kleinsman idea?
:love:
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Test idea.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F10%2Foptimus-klein-heisman-1.png&hash=7a72b767aa556231151c9649c30ed1e65f6ce504)
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Test idea.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F10%2Foptimus-klein-heisman-1.png&hash=7a72b767aa556231151c9649c30ed1e65f6ce504)
I wouldn't mind it with a 7 in the middle or K-State on there to make the intentions clearer
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^ this .
I'm down for one.
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http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11259373/customize/color/134
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http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11259373/customize/color/134
Has the image quote on the back. Seems like thats a different subject
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In addition to the "Does playing (insert opponent)" shirt, we need something that involves the animals tweet about us
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http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11259373/customize/color/134
Has the image quote on the back. Seems like thats a different subject
Mistake on my part, now fixed.
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http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11259373/customize/color/134
Can you throw a goEMAW on the back?
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http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11259373/customize/color/134
FANtastic!
Is there a way to order it in kids sizes?
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http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11259373/customize/color/134
FANtastic!
Is there a way to order it in kids sizes?
I put a kids one up, but they don't have purple kids shirt. Purple on white shirt. http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/
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can i borrow this for a quick second? just spreading the emaw love on my regular board
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http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11259373/customize/color/134
Can you throw a goEMAW on the back?
I can make a goEMAW version. I took off the back because its $3 more.
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can i borrow this for a quick second? just spreading the emaw love on my regular board
Go for it.
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http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11259373/customize/color/134
FANtastic!
Is there a way to order it in kids sizes?
I put a kids one up, but they don't have purple kids shirt. Purple on white shirt. http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/
Thanks, I think it will look boss in purple on black as well
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http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11259373/customize/color/134
Can you throw a goEMAW on the back?
I can make a goEMAW version. I took off the back because its $3 more.
Three dollars is nothing. We are K-Staters, _Fan.
Besides, will be good for all to give some cred to goEMAW's own poonhound69's Optimus idea.
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F10%2Fprime-candidate.png&hash=14d368a35405b35ca674d4b4798ca01478b301ab)
can i borrow this for a quick second? just spreading the emaw love on my regular board
Go for it.
so great. My heavens.
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:thumbs:
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Non-silhouette version:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F10%2FPrime-Candidate-Detailed.png&hash=5788f9dd53ac21e1a822302e7986194119d5c0ab)
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VOTE:
http://espnallamerica.com/ (http://espnallamerica.com/) :ksu:
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Non-silhouette version:
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oh man this has serious potential, get out the lasso
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saw this posted on another board, no clue who made it
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:love:
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According to Dennis Dodd we are sending out a mailer on Klein for Heisman. It is bound together using a Band-Aid and has "Brilliant concept and graphics".
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"Heisman" is probably copyrighted
I own that copyright. Consider this post permission to use.
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Per official Heisman voters, the race will not be close and the other candidates should go home
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/22/heisman-survey-collin-klein-kansas-state-manti-teo-notre-dame/1649429/
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Per official Heisman voters, the race will not be close and the other candidates should go home
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/22/heisman-survey-collin-klein-kansas-state-manti-teo-notre-dame/1649429/
Oh my!
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:horrorsurprise: :billdance:
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Yowza! :love:
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I have heard that the guy heading up the PR for Klein's Heisman campaign is a Baylor grad and has been in contact with Baylor about things they did for RGIII's campaign last year. Out of all of the candidates RGIII had by far the best campaign vids/website/info out there which I think went a long way towards him getting the nod over players on better teams. Should be a good benefit for our team.
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Per official Heisman voters, the race will not be close and the other candidates should go home
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/22/heisman-survey-collin-klein-kansas-state-manti-teo-notre-dame/1649429/
Oh geez. You know who this sets up perfectly for? Seth Doege. I saw where some chick on fb overheard him talking about having his "Heisman moment," oppurtunity THIS WEEKEND!!!
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=23762.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=23762.0)
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Per official Heisman voters, the race will not be close and the other candidates should go home
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/22/heisman-survey-collin-klein-kansas-state-manti-teo-notre-dame/1649429/
:excited: :excited: :excited:
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http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11259373/customize/color/134
Can you throw a goEMAW on the back?
I can make a goEMAW version. I took off the back because its $3 more.
Three dollars is nothing. We are K-Staters, _Fan.
Besides, will be good for all to give some cred to goEMAW's own poonhound69's Optimus idea.
Man def buying one. Purple on black looks pretty badass too IMO, but I dont have a fashion thread or anything.
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Per official Heisman voters, the race will not be close and the other candidates should go home
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/22/heisman-survey-collin-klein-kansas-state-manti-teo-notre-dame/1649429/
:excited: :excited: :excited:
Just two short weeks ago, West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith was the runaway leader. There was another big performance Saturday in Morgantown, but it was the visitor from Kansas State putting up the big numbers.
:emawkid:
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http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11259373/customize/color/134
Can you throw a goEMAW on the back?
I can make a goEMAW version. I took off the back because its $3 more.
Three dollars is nothing. We are K-Staters, _Fan.
Besides, will be good for all to give some cred to goEMAW's own poonhound69's Optimus idea.
Man def buying one. Purple on black looks pretty badass too IMO, but I dont have a fashion thread or anything.
blog.
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According to Dennis Dodd we are sending out a mailer on Klein for Heisman. It is bound together using a Band-Aid and has "Brilliant concept and graphics".
if true, this might be the most don draper thing i've ever heard of in real life. :love:
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Per official Heisman voters, the race will not be close and the other candidates should go home
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/22/heisman-survey-collin-klein-kansas-state-manti-teo-notre-dame/1649429/
Oh geez. You know who this sets up perfectly for? Seth Doege. I saw where some chick on fb overheard him talking about having his "Heisman moment," oppurtunity THIS WEEKEND!!!
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=23762.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=23762.0)
LOL @ a tech QB being in this thing after Leach is gone
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Per official Heisman voters, the race will not be close and the other candidates should go home
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/22/heisman-survey-collin-klein-kansas-state-manti-teo-notre-dame/1649429/
:horrorsurprise:
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I put up the non-silhouette version. That one might get taken down by spreadshirt though.
http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/prime-candidate-A11266029/customize/color/134
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http://www.kstatesports.com/feature/collinklein/ (http://www.kstatesports.com/feature/collinklein/)
Has this been updated recently?
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I sense an impending war between Kleinsman supporters and Kleisman supporters.
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I sense an impending war between Kleinsman supporters and Kleisman supporters.
#teamKleinsman
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This is an important thing to note which is a key to winning the Kleinsman:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnetanimations.net%2FAnimatedFootball.gif&hash=de01613833dbab134306e8f9a8011656c407ff38)
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Wouldn't a Klein pass have opposite rotation?
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Wouldn't a Klein pass have opposite rotation?
The fire is coming out the front of the football :dunno: (I don't know how to play it in reverse, but it is spinning!)
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I was more curious if I was right about the spin. :D
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Wouldn't a Klein pass have opposite rotation?
I think it's spinning so fast it looks backwards.
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Wouldn't a Klein pass have opposite rotation?
I think it's spinning so fast it looks backwards.
tightest spiral in the b12
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm9.staticflickr.com%2F8184%2F8111265104_a00daeb42b_c.jpg&hash=0f372f89bbcbb7157fea3e0246b18ba7d297bf37)
:love: This is it!
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I was more curious if I was right about the spin. :D
pretty sure its one of those things that you can make spin either way that you want to. :sdeek:
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I was more curious if I was right about the spin. :D
pretty sure its one of those things that you can make spin either way that you want to. :sdeek:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m8vgjxTIIH1qiy0obo7_r1_500.gif&hash=0e9b2ea7857afd9ef6a83eda954384a1ba3cf268)
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http://www.kstatesports.com/feature/collinklein/ (http://www.kstatesports.com/feature/collinklein/)
Has this been updated recently?
New OUT-RIGHT leader boys... http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman12/
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Good lord he's curb stomping, everyone!
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:emawkid:
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F10%2F7-Kleinsman-fade.png&hash=a0618d2b80885941616062b958b91c0c737c78a6)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F10%2F7-Kleinsman-shadow.png&hash=4f1db139503df88e72712a07116c4e1669cc0b51)
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This is happening.
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Keep it going _FAN. Someone email ESPN/Animal/who the eff ever it takes.
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Keep it going _FAN. Someone email ESPN/Animal/who the eff ever it takes.
http://katpak.spreadshirt.com/
No idea if they will last or not up there.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/20655633/heismanpundit/cbssportscom-heisman-straw-poll-collin-klein-takes-commanding-lead
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/20655633/heismanpundit/cbssportscom-heisman-straw-poll-collin-klein-takes-commanding-lead
somebody gave a USC receiver a first-place vote. i find that interesting.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/20655633/heismanpundit/cbssportscom-heisman-straw-poll-collin-klein-takes-commanding-lead
:yawn:
Another day in the life a KSU QB.
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Is this real life?
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I sent this to some co-workers after the Cotton Bowl last season and told them it was a sign that Klein would win the Heisman this year...
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.tinypic.com%2F111rtia.jpg&hash=2f7af14674bdd7c3755e7989bd1b733f39d72ac5)
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How many awesome poses are there? I think he has to be doing it on purpose! :love:
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To think, I felt this exact same way about our quarterback 2 weeks ago...
:facepalm:
#7 is the real deal. If he stays consistent it'll be a Kleinsman for sure. :thumbsup:
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To think, I felt this exact same way about our quarterback 2 weeks ago...
:facepalm:
#7 is the real deal. If he stays consistent it'll be a Kleinsman for sure. :thumbsup:
aww, you are making empathy really easy
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To think, I felt this exact same way about our quarterback 2 weeks ago...
:facepalm:
#7 is the real deal. If he stays consistent it'll be a Kleinsman for sure. :thumbsup:
aww, you are making empathy really easy
But not quite as easy as scoring on our D, apparently.
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How many awesome poses are there? I think he has to be doing it on purpose! :love:
Many. I know at least one in the Oklahoma game and also one against West Virginia. I'm sure there's many more though.
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How many awesome poses are there? I think he has to be doing it on purpose! :love:
Many. I know at least one in the Oklahoma game and also one against West Virginia. I'm sure there's many more though.
A gif of all the Kleinsman poses might look pretty cool
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I was more curious if I was right about the spin. :D
pretty sure its one of those things that you can make spin either way that you want to. :sdeek:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m8vgjxTIIH1qiy0obo7_r1_500.gif&hash=0e9b2ea7857afd9ef6a83eda954384a1ba3cf268)
I'm pretty sure she is saying "Mine is blue" not Mind Blown. What whatevs
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I was more curious if I was right about the spin. :D
pretty sure its one of those things that you can make spin either way that you want to. :sdeek:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m8vgjxTIIH1qiy0obo7_r1_500.gif&hash=0e9b2ea7857afd9ef6a83eda954384a1ba3cf268)
I'm pretty sure she is saying "Mine is blue" not Mind Blown. What whatevs
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m8vgjxTIIH1qiy0obo6_r1_500.gif&hash=29a6c584db781e3edbfae2b4c2a41ccfa38b9d7d)
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Dobber, your football has diarrhea.
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Honest question: Does Bill/Dana call more plays that will allow Klein to get some more stats that help him in the race to the Heisman?
I kind of picture it as if it's 50/50 on what play they should call, they go with the one that will help Klein's stats the most. But that seems to be ridiculous for some reason.
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Also, does anyone know where to watch Around The Horn's comments on the Heisman race?
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Honest question: Does Bill/Dana call more plays that will allow Klein to get some more stats that help him in the race to the Heisman?
I kind of picture it as if it's 50/50 on what play they should call, they go with the one that will help Klein's stats the most. But that seems to be ridiculous for some reason.
Kleins stats dont really matter at this point, if we win out its his.
Bill/dana will call whatever play helps us win.
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Also, does anyone know where to watch Around The Horn's comments on the Heisman race?
watch? no. listen? http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8539158
starts at about 15:20
Adande said Geno was still his Heisman front runner
Now I remember why I stopped watching this show
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Insider Article:
I will smash everyone's balls if someone says luke'd or combines my name with the word luke'd somehow
Collin Klein has clear Heisman path
A K-State loss could open door for Miller, Barkley, others
Updated: October 23, 2012, 8:53 AM ET
By Ryan McCrystal | ESPN Insider
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Peter G. Aiken/Getty ImagesIf Collin Klein can lead Kansas State to an undefeated season, he may pick up some hardware too.
We've passed the midway point of the college football season, so now is as good a time as any to reset the Heisman Trophy picture.
The Heisman Predictor gives us a snapshot of what the Heisman voting would look like if the season ended today, but it fails to look into the future and take other factors into account. So this week we'll use the Predictor's formula as a reference, and rank the candidates based on their performance thus far and their expected performance down the stretch.
Here are the five candidates with the best shot at taking home the Heisman.
1. Collin Klein, QB, Kansas State Wildcats
The man they call Optimus Klein is now the unquestioned leader of the Heisman race, and a favorable schedule may allow him to become the second consecutive Big 12 quarterback to hoist the trophy in December.
Kansas State's two most difficult games -- road contests at the Oklahoma Sooners and West Virginia Mountaineers -- are in the rearview mirror. As a result, Klein and the Wildcats should be favored in each of their remaining five games. Should they run the table, Klein will win the Heisman by a significant margin.
However, being the leader in late October isn't always a good sign. Just like in the top 25 polls, voters tend to forgive early-season losses and punish those who lose late. Take 2012 for example: Andrew Luck leads the Stanford Cardinal to an 11-1 regular-season record but that one loss came on Nov. 12. Meanwhile, Robert Griffin III and the three-loss Baylor Bears go 5-0 in November and December. And we all know how that race ended.
So while Klein has a comfortable lead and is the only candidate who controls his own destiny, this race is far from over.
2. Braxton Miller, QB, Ohio State Buckeyes
Should Klein slip up, Miller would be next in line to take control of the race, assuming he stays healthy. Like Klein, Miller's remaining schedule plays a significant role where he stands. Of the Buckeyes' four remaining opponents, only the Michigan Wolverines are ranked in the AP poll.
If Ohio State runs the table, Miller is a lock to earn an invitation to the Heisman ceremony. Where he stands in the final vote, however, will depend on how Klein closes out his season.
Unlike Klein, there is a chance Miller could run the table and still be jumped by another candidate. Heisman voters overwhelmingly favor quarterbacks who lead their team to the national championship game and that isn't a possibility for Miller this year. As a result, if one of the other close contenders finds a way into that game, Miller may fall just short even with an unblemished record.
3. Matt Barkley, QB, USC Trojans
The preseason favorite has been out of the Heisman spotlight since an early-season loss to Stanford, but Barkley has quietly led the Trojans to four straight victories to climb back into the race.
Barkley's candidacy rests entirely on the Trojans' showdowns with the Oregon Ducks and Notre Dame Fighting Irish. Wins in both contests, especially if Oregon and Notre Dame are undefeated, would vault Barkley up the standings.
If USC runs the table Barkley should jump Braxton Miller and finish no lower than second in Heisman voting, but in order to win the Heisman he will need Kansas State to suffer a loss.
4. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia Mountaineers
Last season, the Baylor Bears had lost two straight games and three of their last four. After a hot start, Robert Griffin had essentially fallen out of the Heisman race by Oct. 29. But five straight wins later, including an upset of Oklahoma, he was right back in the mix and eventually caught the midseason favorite, Andrew Luck.
So despite two straight losses, Smith isn't out of it yet. Just like Griffin in 2011, Smith has five games remaining on the schedule, including a Nov. 17 showdown against Oklahoma.
Smith will definitely need those ahead of him to slip up, but if the Mountaineers run the table he will be back in the conversation.
5. Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Normally, a linebacker with Te'o's résumé would have no chance to win the Heisman. But the uniform Te'o wears changes everything.
It's unlikely that the Heisman Predictor would churn out Te'o's name in any scenario, but returning the Irish to national prominence is a unique part of the equation, which can't fully be translated into numbers. While the Irish still have a tough road ahead, an undefeated season and a trip to the national championship game is within reach.
If the Irish do reach the title game, Te'o will be invited to the Heisman ceremony. How high he finishes in the voting will depend entirely on how those ahead of him close out their seasons. In the event that voters are left without an obvious front-runner, they may turn to Te'o, especially if his Irish are the lone remaining undefeated team.
The dark horses
If each of the top five candidates slip up, we essentially start from scratch. Everyone we previously thought was eliminated (those mentioned in the top five included) would be back in the picture. In that scenario, a few other dark-horse candidates would climb into the mix.
Aaron Murray, Georgia Bulldogs: Who would have guessed not having Alabama and LSU on the schedule would be a bad thing? The Bulldogs have played just one ranked opponent (a blowout loss to South Carolina) and only one ranked opponent remains (Saturday versus Florida).
Due to the light schedule, Murray's Heisman hopes are mostly out of his hands, but he's not out of the race just yet. If Georgia runs the table, including a win in the SEC championship game, it would likely play for the national championship. In that scenario, Murray would have a shot at making a late run at the Heisman.
AJ McCarron, Alabama Crimson Tide: McCarron's numbers aren't quite Heisman-worthy, especially considering Alabama's relatively light schedule thus far. But as the quarterback of the No. 1 team in the country, it's too early to count him out. He'll need to pad his stats down the stretch, but if he does so against the likes of the Mississippi State Bulldogs, LSU Tigers and Florida Gators, he may end up being a worthy candidate by season's end.
Kenjon Barner, Oregon Ducks: Barner was overshadowed by teammate De'Anthony Thomas early in the year, so he's getting a late start in the Heisman race. However, it has become clear that it's Barner, not Thomas, who gets the Ducks' offense rolling.
Barner is currently on pace for more than 1,600 rushing yards, which won't be enough to put him in serious contention. But if he keeps up his pace from the past few weeks (more than 120 rushing yards in three straight games) he may near the 2,000-yard mark. If Barner reaches 2,000 yards and the Ducks remain undefeated, he could become a candidate if others start to fall off.
Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M Aggies: After throwing three interceptions in a loss to LSU, Johnny Football has some work to do. Manziel is definitely a long shot, but he has the stats and the remaining games necessary to make a late run if our current favorites leave the door open.
The key for Manziel will be leading the Aggies to an upset of Alabama on Nov. 10. It's a tall order, but for the redshirt freshman to make a run he needs that type of shocking performance to catch the attention of the voters.
Ryan McCrystal is the developer of the Heisman Predictor formula and writes about it during the college football season for ESPN Insider.
Should they run the table, Klein will win the Heisman by a significant margin.
This is our reality. The best player, the best team and the best coach. And the best message board.
And low crime and nice people.
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I was more curious if I was right about the spin. :D
pretty sure its one of those things that you can make spin either way that you want to. :sdeek:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m8vgjxTIIH1qiy0obo7_r1_500.gif&hash=0e9b2ea7857afd9ef6a83eda954384a1ba3cf268)
I'm pretty sure she is saying "Mine is blue" not Mind Blown. What whatevs
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m8vgjxTIIH1qiy0obo6_r1_500.gif&hash=29a6c584db781e3edbfae2b4c2a41ccfa38b9d7d)
pretty sure its one of those things that you can make her say it either way that you want to. :sdeek:
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_FAN, could you make an option with goEMAW.com on the Kleinsman7 shirts? I'd pay the extra $3 or whatever
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_FAN, could you make an option with goEMAW.com on the Kleinsman7 shirts? I'd pay the extra $3 or whatever
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_FAN, could you make an option with goEMAW.com on the Kleinsman7 shirts? I'd pay the extra $3 or whatever
Coming up!
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Kleinsman, Prime Candidate shirts with goEMAW logo on the back. (http://imwithemaw.spreadshirt.com/)
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I should have waited like 3 days :dubious:
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I should have waited like 3 days :dubious:
Dang it, I meant to get those up sooner, but forgot about it.
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I should have waited like 3 days :dubious:
Dang it, I meant to get those up sooner, but forgot about it.
No, it's not your fault! I just didn't know others were coming. It's no big deal.
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I was more curious if I was right about the spin. :D
pretty sure its one of those things that you can make spin either way that you want to. :sdeek:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m8vgjxTIIH1qiy0obo7_r1_500.gif&hash=0e9b2ea7857afd9ef6a83eda954384a1ba3cf268)
I'm pretty sure she is saying "Mine is blue" not Mind Blown. What whatevs
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m8vgjxTIIH1qiy0obo6_r1_500.gif&hash=29a6c584db781e3edbfae2b4c2a41ccfa38b9d7d)
pretty sure its one of those things that you can make her say it either way that you want to. :sdeek:
yeah, i think in the first one she is saying "make it smooth"
and the second one she's saying "balloon"
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I was more curious if I was right about the spin. :D
pretty sure its one of those things that you can make spin either way that you want to. :sdeek:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m8vgjxTIIH1qiy0obo7_r1_500.gif&hash=0e9b2ea7857afd9ef6a83eda954384a1ba3cf268)
I'm pretty sure she is saying "Mine is blue" not Mind Blown. What whatevs
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_m8vgjxTIIH1qiy0obo6_r1_500.gif&hash=29a6c584db781e3edbfae2b4c2a41ccfa38b9d7d)
pretty sure its one of those things that you can make her say it either way that you want to. :sdeek:
She is describing her recent bout with diarrhea:
yeah, i think in the first one she is saying "my ass blew"
and the second one she's saying "baaaLue" (for emphasis)
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This is an important thing to note which is a key to winning the Kleinsman:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnetanimations.net%2FAnimatedFootball.gif&hash=de01613833dbab134306e8f9a8011656c407ff38)
Dobber, your football has diarrhea.
:lol:
This is killing!!! I read Mr Bread's post then back tracked to dobber's pic and about crapped myself laughing.
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It takes one to know one... (http://www.wacotrib.com/blogs/staff/college_football/Who-will-be-on-RG3s-Heisman-ballot-The-frontrunner-is-.html)
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All my friends live in FL, they're still not showing love to Collin! I don't know what they're smoking but he's going to win!
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4274963586175&set=o.245299892235960&type=1&relevant_count=1
:dunno:
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4274963586175&set=o.245299892235960&type=1&relevant_count=1
:dunno:
how losery. _fan's are 100x better.
also tweet that at currie so he can infect them with lawyers.
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Kleinsman, Prime Candidate shirts with goEMAW logo on the back. (http://imwithemaw.spreadshirt.com/)
those are pretty steezy bro
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K-State mask isn't the only person to get a letter from K-State.
No more t-shirts. Not totally surprised, intellectual property rights are pretty broad and it becomes an NCAA issue with elgibility, etc.
The images can still be used by individuals to promote, just can't put them on things and sell them.
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K-State mask isn't the only person to get a letter from K-State.
No more t-shirts. Not totally surprised, intellectual property rights are pretty broad and it becomes an NCAA issue with elgibility, etc.
The images can still be used by individuals to promote, just can't put them on things and sell them.
What if you paid for them, and gave them to us for free?
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If K-State is so upset with fans creating apparel, then maybe they should make better rough ridin' apparel.
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I just ordered shirts yesterday. Will I still get them?
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I just ordered shirts yesterday. Will I still get them?
Sent from my PG06100 using Tapatalk 2
Yes, I believe those still went through.
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K-State mask isn't the only person to get a letter from K-State.
No more t-shirts. Not totally surprised, intellectual property rights are pretty broad and it becomes an NCAA issue with elgibility, etc.
The images can still be used by individuals to promote, just can't put them on things and sell them.
Wonder what a License threw K-state for producers of apparel (GTM, N-Zone, and Ballards) Seems it might be worth looking into. If I remember right, when my brother and sister were looking to have hats and polo's made for my dad's hog business it was $100 dollars for the one time license.
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Just did some digging: $80 dollars a year with a $300 dollar application fee.
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K-State mask isn't the only person to get a letter from K-State.
No more t-shirts. Not totally surprised, intellectual property rights are pretty broad and it becomes an NCAA issue with elgibility, etc.
The images can still be used by individuals to promote, just can't put them on things and sell them.
Do you have to change your name to wildcat_FAN?
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Just did some digging: $80 dollars a year with a $300 dollar application fee.
You're referring to a license to print a powercat or K-State. The Issue is with the players name/likeness, which is a clear NCAA violation. The school must, under NCAA rules, take steps to stop the activity. If they don't, then the player could be deemed ineligible.
It isn't K-State's rule, they just have to be the ones enforcing it.
The Mask stuff is different -- that is K-State (I assume the trademark & licensing office) protecting it's trademark. That's the kind of thing you can pay to use.
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Just did some digging: $80 dollars a year with a $300 dollar application fee.
You're referring to a license to print a powercat or K-State. The Issue is with the players name/likeness, which is a clear NCAA violation. The school must, under NCAA rules, take steps to stop the activity. If they don't, then the player could be deemed ineligible.
It isn't K-State's rule, they just have to be the ones enforcing it.
The Mask stuff is different -- that is K-State (I assume the trademark & licensing office) protecting it's trademark. That's the kind of thing you can pay to use.
Got it. Thought _fan got the same letter Mask did.
thanks.
Glad to see you on CC.
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Just did some digging: $80 dollars a year with a $300 dollar application fee.
You're referring to a license to print a powercat or K-State. The Issue is with the players name/likeness, which is a clear NCAA violation. The school must, under NCAA rules, take steps to stop the activity. If they don't, then the player could be deemed ineligible.
It isn't K-State's rule, they just have to be the ones enforcing it.
The Mask stuff is different -- that is K-State (I assume the trademark & licensing office) protecting it's trademark. That's the kind of thing you can pay to use.
Thanks cc.
I didn't mean to imply I got the same letter. This letter was like the letter I got for fear the beard. I knew I was pressing the boundries a bit, but since the previous rulings on intellectual property are so broad I took a shot. It was fun for a bit, I just like seeing good players from K-State get some attention and people like tshirts.
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If K-State is so upset with fans creating apparel, then maybe they should make better rough ridin' apparel.
:thumbs:
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To be fair, it is my understanding K-State couldn't sell stuff like what I made to promote athletes either. The NCAA limits that to only the sale of jerseys by schools; they can't slap a player's name/image on a shirt and sell stuff like that. In everything I've done I've tried to be broad enough, but its tough to do.
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So make a shirt with his unlikeness. Put the opposite of #7, put a silhouette of someone fat and unathletic, and caption it with "Vote for you know who for that one trophy, EMAW!"
We'll all know who it is and that's all that matters. :emawkid:
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To be fair, it is my understanding K-State couldn't sell stuff like what I made to promote athletes either. The NCAA limits that to only the sale of jerseys by schools; they can't slap a player's name/image on a shirt and sell stuff like that. In everything I've done I've tried to be broad enough, but its tough to do.
Correct, K-State couldn't use player names/likeness on a Tshirt either. They can sell a #7 jersey/shirt, but it can't say "KLEIN" on the back. Which is kinda silly by the NCAA, but whatever.
Like you said, its very tough to create a "legal" shirt, since what constitutes a "likeness" can be very vague. And most universities will err on the side of caution, since a player's eligibility is on the line.
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Just did some digging: $80 dollars a year with a $300 dollar application fee.
You're referring to a license to print a powercat or K-State. The Issue is with the players name/likeness, which is a clear NCAA violation. The school must, under NCAA rules, take steps to stop the activity. If they don't, then the player could be deemed ineligible.
It isn't K-State's rule, they just have to be the ones enforcing it.
The Mask stuff is different -- that is K-State (I assume the trademark & licensing office) protecting it's trademark. That's the kind of thing you can pay to use.
Thanks cc.
I didn't mean to imply I got the same letter. This letter was like the letter I got for fear the beard. I knew I was pressing the boundries a bit, but since the previous rulings on intellectual property are so broad I took a shot. It was fun for a bit, I just like seeing good players from K-State get some attention and people like tshirts.
Players kinda get screwed in the deal. The $$ made off t-shirts and whatnot (Yeah I know it's not much), they don't see a dime of even though they are the reason it was created.
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So how many of the Kleinsman7 shirts with goEMAW.com on the back got bought before being taken down? Sounds like I've got a shirt that will be worth a ton someday. :gocho:
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Players kinda get screwed in the deal. The $$ made off t-shirts and whatnot (Yeah I know it's not much), they don't see a dime of even though they are the reason it was created.
Ask Jay Bilas how he feels about that.
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To be fair, it is my understanding K-State couldn't sell stuff like what I made to promote athletes either. The NCAA limits that to only the sale of jerseys by schools; they can't slap a player's name/image on a shirt and sell stuff like that. In everything I've done I've tried to be broad enough, but its tough to do.
Correct, K-State couldn't use player names/likeness on a Tshirt either. They can sell a #7 jersey/shirt, but it can't say "KLEIN" on the back. Which is kinda silly by the NCAA, but whatever.
Like you said, its very tough to create a "legal" shirt, since what constitutes a "likeness" can be very vague. And most universities will err on the side of caution, since a player's eligibility is on the line.
What if they went the EA route and just sold shirts with a Mr Potato Head kit only the parts included combos that looked like Klein!
Also, could fan make a tank top with a fat Buddha in a downward dog with the caption "yoga like abana"? Because I would buy that.
Or what about a silhouette of a specific play with something like "Jordy burned Talib"? Because I would also buy the crap out of that.
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To be fair, it is my understanding K-State couldn't sell stuff like what I made to promote athletes either. The NCAA limits that to only the sale of jerseys by schools; they can't slap a player's name/image on a shirt and sell stuff like that. In everything I've done I've tried to be broad enough, but its tough to do.
Correct, K-State couldn't use player names/likeness on a Tshirt either. They can sell a #7 jersey/shirt, but it can't say "KLEIN" on the back. Which is kinda silly by the NCAA, but whatever.
Like you said, its very tough to create a "legal" shirt, since what constitutes a "likeness" can be very vague. And most universities will err on the side of caution, since a player's eligibility is on the line.
So YLA can't wear a #7 KSU jersey?
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Did we take BSAC off retainer this week? :sdeek:
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Seems like the Prime Candidate shirt would fit through a loophole here ?
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To be fair, it is my understanding K-State couldn't sell stuff like what I made to promote athletes either. The NCAA limits that to only the sale of jerseys by schools; they can't slap a player's name/image on a shirt and sell stuff like that. In everything I've done I've tried to be broad enough, but its tough to do.
Correct, K-State couldn't use player names/likeness on a Tshirt either. They can sell a #7 jersey/shirt, but it can't say "KLEIN" on the back. Which is kinda silly by the NCAA, but whatever.
Like you said, its very tough to create a "legal" shirt, since what constitutes a "likeness" can be very vague. And most universities will err on the side of caution, since a player's eligibility is on the line.
thanks cc. what's your take on the robot with a #7 on it that _fan is using as his avatar? it doesn't say klein anywhere and doesn't have his likeness on it, unless you think klein looks like a robot. anyway good to have you back posting some. what a ride the last few weeks with football have been huh?
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To be fair, it is my understanding K-State couldn't sell stuff like what I made to promote athletes either. The NCAA limits that to only the sale of jerseys by schools; they can't slap a player's name/image on a shirt and sell stuff like that. In everything I've done I've tried to be broad enough, but its tough to do.
Correct, K-State couldn't use player names/likeness on a Tshirt either. They can sell a #7 jersey/shirt, but it can't say "KLEIN" on the back. Which is kinda silly by the NCAA, but whatever.
Like you said, its very tough to create a "legal" shirt, since what constitutes a "likeness" can be very vague. And most universities will err on the side of caution, since a player's eligibility is on the line.
thanks cc. what's your take on the robot with a #7 on it that _fan is using as his avatar? it doesn't say klein anywhere and doesn't have his likeness on it, unless you think klein looks like a robot. anyway good to have you back posting some. what a ride the last few weeks with football have been huh?
I don't know. My guess is that it would be fine, but as noted before, schools will be really cautious about anything that can be traced back to a specific player. _Fan would def want to get some sort of interpretation from K-State before proceeding with shirts etc.
I think Hasbro or Mattel or whatever company owns the Transformers would have some thoughts on the shirt, but that's a different subject.
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FWIW, on sportsbook, Klein is at 1:2 odds to win the Heisman. Like wager $10 to win $5. Next best are Geno and Barkley at 7:2. :sdeek:
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Just did some digging: $80 dollars a year with a $300 dollar application fee.
You're referring to a license to print a powercat or K-State. The Issue is with the players name/likeness, which is a clear NCAA violation. The school must, under NCAA rules, take steps to stop the activity. If they don't, then the player could be deemed ineligible.
It isn't K-State's rule, they just have to be the ones enforcing it.
The Mask stuff is different -- that is K-State (I assume the trademark & licensing office) protecting it's trademark. That's the kind of thing you can pay to use.
Thanks cc.
I didn't mean to imply I got the same letter. This letter was like the letter I got for fear the beard. I knew I was pressing the boundries a bit, but since the previous rulings on intellectual property are so broad I took a shot. It was fun for a bit, I just like seeing good players from K-State get some attention and people like tshirts.
Speaking of which... Now that Pullen has exhausted his eligibility, can those shirts be made again? I think people would still buy them. I would, at least.
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Didn't KSU make and sell janky ripoff FTB shirts or was it just janky ripoff OOD shirts?
Either way, I bet their lawyer told them to just do whatever they want.
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http://promo.espn.go.com/espn/contests/nissan/heisman/2012/ballot/leaderboard (http://promo.espn.go.com/espn/contests/nissan/heisman/2012/ballot/leaderboard)
:flush:
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If there's one thing every good Roman Catholic cares about, it's voting up the Mormon star linebacker of their beloved school that they've never attended or been to for any reason.
What Mormon plays at KU? :ksu:
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To be fair, it is my understanding K-State couldn't sell stuff like what I made to promote athletes either. The NCAA limits that to only the sale of jerseys by schools; they can't slap a player's name/image on a shirt and sell stuff like that. In everything I've done I've tried to be broad enough, but its tough to do.
Correct, K-State couldn't use player names/likeness on a Tshirt either. They can sell a #7 jersey/shirt, but it can't say "KLEIN" on the back. Which is kinda silly by the NCAA, but whatever.
Like you said, its very tough to create a "legal" shirt, since what constitutes a "likeness" can be very vague. And most universities will err on the side of caution, since a player's eligibility is on the line.
thanks cc. what's your take on the robot with a #7 on it that _fan is using as his avatar? it doesn't say klein anywhere and doesn't have his likeness on it, unless you think klein looks like a robot. anyway good to have you back posting some. what a ride the last few weeks with football have been huh?
I don't know. My guess is that it would be fine, but as noted before, schools will be really cautious about anything that can be traced back to a specific player. _Fan would def want to get some sort of interpretation from K-State before proceeding with shirts etc.
I think Hasbro or Mattel or whatever company owns the Transformers would have some thoughts on the shirt, but that's a different subject.
I am pretty sure BSAC sits on the board at Hasbro. I think he invented Nerf.
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To be fair, it is my understanding K-State couldn't sell stuff like what I made to promote athletes either. The NCAA limits that to only the sale of jerseys by schools; they can't slap a player's name/image on a shirt and sell stuff like that. In everything I've done I've tried to be broad enough, but its tough to do.
The NCAA is NOT COOL with anyone* making money off of individual players.
* other than the NCAA itself.
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teo is garbage and so is that center from alabama and geno stinks too
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It's always hilarious to watch all the purist journalists pimp a defensive player or O-linemen from a traditional school in their columns and then secretly vote for the QB when the time comes.
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http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/cbssportsnetwork/siofNWz0C_zi
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http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/cbssportsnetwork/siofNWz0C_zi
I naming my son Collein.
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Is Collin Klein....the dorky ass 2 star athlete from loveland colorado.....becoming the greatest kansas state FOOTBALL PLAYER ever? Is he our best ALL PURPOSE PLAYER? what category should we be putting him in..thoughts on the kleinsdale. IMO Bishop is still the best
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gary spani is the best and always will be
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man, the big12 loves us. just out there campaigning for the guy that whipped all their asses :love: :love:
:bill:
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To be fair, it is my understanding K-State couldn't sell stuff like what I made to promote athletes either. The NCAA limits that to only the sale of jerseys by schools; they can't slap a player's name/image on a shirt and sell stuff like that. In everything I've done I've tried to be broad enough, but its tough to do.
The NCAA is NOT COOL with anyone* making money off of individual players.
* other than the NCAA itself.
The NCAA has to make a killing on NCAA football games.
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just thought i would pop back in real quick to lol at team queso again
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gary spani is the best and always will be
Oh and what Tecmo team is he on? #teamgrogan
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http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/cbssportsnetwork/siofNWz0C_zi
I love that Tech players are openly campaigning for a Kleinsman.
Sad that Dagy's own players hate him.
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To be fair, it is my understanding K-State couldn't sell stuff like what I made to promote athletes either. The NCAA limits that to only the sale of jerseys by schools; they can't slap a player's name/image on a shirt and sell stuff like that. In everything I've done I've tried to be broad enough, but its tough to do.
Correct, K-State couldn't use player names/likeness on a Tshirt either. They can sell a #7 jersey/shirt, but it can't say "KLEIN" on the back. Which is kinda silly by the NCAA, but whatever.
Like you said, its very tough to create a "legal" shirt, since what constitutes a "likeness" can be very vague. And most universities will err on the side of caution, since a player's eligibility is on the line.
so this friend of mine wants to help get some more pub for this stud qb, and he (total dorkball, btw) wants to use animated likenesses of this awesome college qb, possibly even say the qb's name in the video. But he won't make shirts or merchandise, just wholesome family-friendly youtube fun. Should I tell this doofus-boob to:
a) roll the dice and go for it since his crap vid won't be seen by more than 25 other ugly nerdfaces
b) don't say the qb's name
c) don't say the qb's name, remove the qb's likeness, allude to somebody very similar
d) stop this weirdo obsession and go fix somebody's computer or play dungeons and dragons
e) c, then d
Thank you in advance for any help you may provide, Captain Crap!
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To be fair, it is my understanding K-State couldn't sell stuff like what I made to promote athletes either. The NCAA limits that to only the sale of jerseys by schools; they can't slap a player's name/image on a shirt and sell stuff like that. In everything I've done I've tried to be broad enough, but its tough to do.
Correct, K-State couldn't use player names/likeness on a Tshirt either. They can sell a #7 jersey/shirt, but it can't say "KLEIN" on the back. Which is kinda silly by the NCAA, but whatever.
Like you said, its very tough to create a "legal" shirt, since what constitutes a "likeness" can be very vague. And most universities will err on the side of caution, since a player's eligibility is on the line.
so this friend of mine wants to help get some more pub for this stud qb, and he (total dorkball, btw) wants to use animated likenesses of this awesome college qb, possibly even say the qb's name in the video. But he won't make shirts or merchandise, just wholesome family-friendly youtube fun. Should I tell this doofus-boob to:
a) roll the dice and go for it since his crap vid won't be seen by more than 25 other ugly nerdfaces
b) don't say the qb's name
c) don't say the qb's name, remove the qb's likeness, allude to somebody very similar
d) stop this weirdo obsession and go fix somebody's computer or play dungeons and dragons
e) c, then d
Thank you in advance for any help you may provide, Captain Crap!
I think he or someone else said it could be used to promote...think of that one guy who played for the dukes and got a giant tarp display in NYC and is now one of the analysts alongside Erin Andrews and Eddie George on FOX. Joey
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I say roll the dice. If you get a letter, just edit the audio/captions with something hilarious but still alluding to the prime candidate.
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Tell your Canadian friend to post it under a new youtube account associated to a new email address. Then, tell your Canadian friend to rock out with his male genitals out, and to hang out with his wang out, if you know what I mean.
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I say yeah, go for it
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Awesome, thanks guys.
From this post on, no more talking about my friend's video because he's Canadian and his vid will indeed suck and I'm just doing the guy a favor. Instead, someone needs to answer this stud's questions:
What if they went the EA route and just sold shirts with a Mr Potato Head kit only the parts included combos that looked like Klein!
Also, could fan make a tank top with a fat Buddha in a downward dog with the caption "yoga like abana"? Because I would buy that.
Or what about a silhouette of a specific play with something like "Jordy burned Talib"? Because I would also buy the crap out of that.
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Let me know when your dumbass friend posts his shitty video so I can check it out :thumbs:
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Pack it up here boys we're done. #missionAccomplished
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Awesome, thanks guys.
From this post on, no more talking about my friend's video because he's Canadian and his vid will indeed suck and I'm just doing the guy a favor. Instead, someone needs to answer this stud's questions:
What if they went the EA route and just sold shirts with a Mr Potato Head kit only the parts included combos that looked like Klein!
Also, could fan make a tank top with a fat Buddha in a downward dog with the caption "yoga like abana"? Because I would buy that.
Or what about a silhouette of a specific play with something like "Jordy burned Talib"? Because I would also buy the crap out of that.
EASports pays the NCAA to use those likenesses. The NCAA can essentially sell the crap out of players. They operate inside the rules that they make, but don't allow actual names so they can have the disguise of giving a crap.
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Did Fat Farkley just play his way out by losing at UA?
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Anybody got any juicy links about Heisman updates for me to :excited: or :curse: at after last week?
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Thanks _FAN!
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/10/29/usa-today-sports-heisman-watch-collin-klein-manti-teo/1666423/
:gocho:
nice. Only lost one vote to Te'o
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Te'o only has one sack all year? woof
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Te'o only has one sack all year? woof
yeah, but he has lots of tackles, 5 ints, and wears a golden helmet
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Te'o only has one sack all year? woof
yeah, but he has lots of tackles, 5 ints, and wears a golden helmet
and hurrr durrr overcoming personal tragedy durrrr
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So did this dickface garbage LB pull in front of Kleinski here this week because he had one measly interception against OU? What's the "chatter" around your "water coolers"?????
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So did this dickface garbage LB pull in front of Kleinski here this week because he had one measly interception against OU? What's the "chatter" around your "water coolers"?????
Imo they are just setting up an alt just in case Collin dies or something
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will this be the largest margin of victory ever for a heisman winner?
probably.
:dance: :billdance: :bill:
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Will they even invite more than 3 to NYC?
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Will they even invite more than 3 to NYC?
Just mail it to him, call off the ceremony, and fill the time slot with Klein highlights and interview.
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So did this dickface garbage LB pull in front of Kleinski here this week because he had one measly interception against OU? What's the "chatter" around your "water coolers"?????
Imo they are just setting up an alt just in case Collin dies or something
If a linebacker is their backup Heisman pick, they must be pretty damn sure Klein is gonna win out and take the award.
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Thanks _FAN!
Those are special editions, less than 20 on the planet.
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Thanks _FAN!
Those are special editions, less than 20 on the planet.
:babywillie:
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Thanks _FAN!
Those are special editions, less than 20 on the planet.
ONLY 20!!! AND I'VE GOT 2!!!!. I think I'll wear one and keep the other in original packaging then present it to my unborn son when he goes off the State in 25-30 years.
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You can always go to this site; which managed to rip off as many design aspects as possible from goEMAW: http://skreened.com/collegerivalshop/optimus-klein
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Wow. Warm up the lawsuit, BSAC.
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http://skreened.com/content/ip_policy (http://skreened.com/content/ip_policy)
so much homophobia on that site :sdeek:
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Don't know if luked, but CK is supposed to be on Rome today.
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Don't know if luked, but CK is supposed to be on Rome today.
I am very, VERY excited for this! He'll be so sweet and cordial to the firey Jim Rome! Will Rome love him more than he loves Frank when it's over? I don't know! Stay tuned!
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Hope he doesn't sing.
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Hope he doesn't sing.
That's weird, because I was hoping he would sing.
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Hope he doesn't sing.
That's weird, because I was hoping he would sing.
Yeah, what the hell is wrong with you, CFoD?
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Hope he doesn't sing.
That's weird, because I was hoping he would sing.
Yeah, what the hell is wrong with you, CFoD?
I'm on cold medication, I'm not thinking clearly.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/heisman
:cool:
:zzz:
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http://heismanpundit.com/ (http://heismanpundit.com/)
:cheese: <--- Replace Cheese w/ Heisman.
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http://heismanpundit.com/ (http://heismanpundit.com/)
:cheese: <--- Replace Cheese w/ Heisman.
First I've seen a pic of the actual CKMVP mailer:
http://twitter.com/HeismanPundit/status/261561154382475265/photo/1 (http://twitter.com/HeismanPundit/status/261561154382475265/photo/1)
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Wow, band-aids and all.
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http://heismanpundit.com/ (http://heismanpundit.com/)
:cheese: <--- Replace Cheese w/ Heisman.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi823.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz156%2Fksubrooks%2Fmouseheisman.gif&hash=7cd8138ff7f3328b1827f6dc8538367b70d2274e)
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http://heismanpundit.com/ (http://heismanpundit.com/)
:cheese: <--- Replace Cheese w/ Heisman.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi823.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz156%2Fksubrooks%2Fmouseheisman.gif&hash=7cd8138ff7f3328b1827f6dc8538367b70d2274e)
Yes, Dual Ju! YES!!
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http://heismanpundit.com/ (http://heismanpundit.com/)
:cheese: <--- Replace Cheese w/ Heisman.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi823.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz156%2Fksubrooks%2Fmouseheisman.gif&hash=7cd8138ff7f3328b1827f6dc8538367b70d2274e)
we have some talented mother rough ridin' fans. In a talent-off, all other schools would just be nervous and make nervous shits all over town.
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http://heismanpundit.com/ (http://heismanpundit.com/)
:cheese: <--- Replace Cheese w/ Heisman.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi823.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz156%2Fksubrooks%2Fmouseheisman.gif&hash=7cd8138ff7f3328b1827f6dc8538367b70d2274e)
Yes, Dual Ju! YES!!
OR...
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2Fwhomovedmybig12title.gif&hash=c07c9d60eca789084d2dd430bd27461bcf49cda0)
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Think of how many awesome things we can get that mouse to carry this season. What a ride.
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http://heismanpundit.com/ (http://heismanpundit.com/)
:cheese: <--- Replace Cheese w/ Heisman.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi823.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz156%2Fksubrooks%2Fmouseheisman.gif&hash=7cd8138ff7f3328b1827f6dc8538367b70d2274e)
Yes, Dual Ju! YES!!
OR...
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2Fwhomovedmybig12title.gif&hash=c07c9d60eca789084d2dd430bd27461bcf49cda0)
Make it a crystal football. :love:
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That mouse better be carrying a sign that says "I'm A Pepper!"
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Think of how many awesome things we can get that mouse to carry this season. What a ride.
my heart, for example
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Interesting.
Sports Radio 810 WHB ?@SportsRadio810
#KState Manhattan to Manhattan, Vote Optimus 7 2012 Support your #Kleisman http://bit.ly/V6fiTj pic.twitter.com/AFODpVty pic.twitter.com/ePbtoVLf
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Interesting.
Sports Radio 810 WHB ?@SportsRadio810
#KState Manhattan to Manhattan, Vote Optimus 7 2012 Support your #Kleisman http://bit.ly/V6fiTj pic.twitter.com/AFODpVty pic.twitter.com/ePbtoVLf
KK trying to get KSU in trouble again :jerk:
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Collin Klein in The Jungle, right now.
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when is rome's stupid show on anyway?
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Dennis Dodd ?@dennisdoddcbs
CK now describing how his first kiss was at the altar at his wedding ceremony.
:fatty:
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Or have him pulling a cart full of championships and hearts and stuff.
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Dennis Dodd ?@dennisdoddcbs
CK now describing how his first kiss was at the altar at his wedding ceremony.
:fatty:
You know he went full chub. Zzzzziiiippppp!!
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Does anyone have ESPN Insider? If so copy paste this Luke article. TIA
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8572232/why-kansas-state-wildcats-deserve-ranked-no-1-ncf (http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8572232/why-kansas-state-wildcats-deserve-ranked-no-1-ncf)
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No. That article has been linked 5 rough ridin' times. Use the search function.
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Does anyone have ESPN Insider? If so copy paste this Luke article. TIA
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8572232/why-kansas-state-wildcats-deserve-ranked-no-1-ncf (http://insider.espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8572232/why-kansas-state-wildcats-deserve-ranked-no-1-ncf)
Lukedueche23
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:cheers: i'm glad i could make such a contribution to this site. My name is used over and over again in these threads!
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:cheers: i'm glad i could make such a contribution to this site. My name is used over and over again in these threads!
we are friends luke, you and I :thumbs:
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:cheers: i'm glad i could make such a contribution to this site. My name is used over and over again in these threads!
You are the most famous poster here and you didn't even have to post thirty five thousand times!
:cheers:
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Cheers to posting articles and news that has already been posted! :cheers:
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:cheers: i'm glad i could make such a contribution to this site. My name is used over and over again in these threads!
Cheers to posting articles and news that has already been posted! :cheers:
:lol:
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Why haven't any Jungle Insiders posted a link to the Colin Klein/Jim Rome interview yet? Getting links like that are the only reason I subscribe to goEMAW's premium service.
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I noticed last year that he says "Again" alot. Again, he still has that habit. Again, he needs coached up before his trip to NY.
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you can listen to a few snippets here
http://www.jimrome.com/junglehighlights?uri=channels/465575/1702418
i'm not going to pay to hear the whole thing
Thanks, Hank.
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I noticed last year that he says "Again" alot. Again, he still has that habit. Again, he needs coached up before his trip to NY.
People that speak like that generally sound like they think they are better than other people, which in most cases is pretty annoying. In Klein's case he is better in just about every way than mostly everyone else in the world. When he does it I think it's great. He probably gets it from Bill S. Does Bill S. say things like "again" a lot? He probably does, and he is also better than pretty much every other person on earth and those people who are up on space stations and stuff too.
:thumbs: in my book.
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
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CAPTAIN CRAP!
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can you imagine if somehow CK goes to Detroit and that respect-face Matt Stafford gets injured. HOLY crap you guys.
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
:curse:
CAPTAIN CRAP!
luke dave?
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
:curse:
CAPTAIN CRAP!
luke dave?
they haven't done crap about it while _FAN gets mean letters
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
:curse:
CAPTAIN CRAP!
K-State sent them a C&D letter.
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k :shy:
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
:curse:
CAPTAIN CRAP!
K-State sent them a C&D letter.
Well, you did it wrong, because that dude isn't ceasing or desisting. Maybe you guys had a typo in your letter or something? Like asked him to "cease OR desist" or something? :dunno:
I say we wait and watch, and if that guy doesn't take his down, we just have _Fan put his back up for sale.
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
:curse:
CAPTAIN CRAP!
K-State sent them a C&D letter.
Well, you did it wrong, because that dude isn't ceasing or desisting. Maybe you guys had a typo in your letter or something? Like asked him to "cease OR desist" or something? :dunno:
I say we wait and watch, and if that guy doesn't take his down, we just have _Fan put his back up for sale.
Maybe they faxed it and the hurricane screwed it up.
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
:curse:
CAPTAIN CRAP!
K-State sent them a C&D letter.
Well, you did it wrong, because that dude isn't ceasing or desisting. Maybe you guys had a typo in your letter or something? Like asked him to "cease OR desist" or something? :dunno:
I say we wait and watch, and if that guy doesn't take his down, we just have _Fan put his back up for sale.
To me, the takeaway is "LOL at people who freak out because they get a serious-sounding correspondence from an attorney." Also, do whatever you want.
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Its in the mail. In 10-14 days those punks are in for a rude awakening.
or they have a PO box they literally never ever look at
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
:curse:
CAPTAIN CRAP!
K-State sent them a C&D letter.
Well, you did it wrong, because that dude isn't ceasing or desisting. Maybe you guys had a typo in your letter or something? Like asked him to "cease OR desist" or something? :dunno:
I say we wait and watch, and if that guy doesn't take his down, we just have _Fan put his back up for sale.
To me, the takeaway is "LOL at people who freak out because they get a serious-sounding correspondence from an attorney." Also, do whatever you want.
OR, maybe they were people who at one point in time were a person who freaked out at the idea of a letter like that but then later proved to be pretty darn cool headed about the letter topic and were somewhat vindicated and now are tapping their foot waiting for you to simply acknowledge their growth on this topic and want to be loved an appreciated for that. Did you rough ridin' think of that, YOU SON OF A BITCH FACE?!? Hypothetically. Asking for a Canadian...
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HOLD THE EFFING PHONE!!!!!!!!!!!
Lou Holtz - "I believe A.J. McCarron is the leading Heisman candidate." FCUK you Lou, thanks for starting this.
And then Mark May picks OkState to win. :shakesfist:
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HOLD THE EFFING PHONE!!!!!!!!!!!
Lou Holtz - "I believe A.J. McCarron is the leading Heisman candidate." FCUK you Lou :shakesfist:
wha wha whaaaaaaattttttttt!!!!!??????
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HOLD THE EFFING PHONE!!!!!!!!!!!
Lou Holtz - "I believe A.J. McCarron is the leading Heisman candidate." FCUKeff you Lou, thanks for starting this.
And then Mark May picks OkState to win. :shakesfist:
FYP :blush:
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HOLD THE EFFING PHONE!!!!!!!!!!!
Lou Holtz - "I believe A.J. McCarron is the leading Heisman candidate." FCUK you Lou :shakesfist:
wha wha whaaaaaaattttttttt!!!!!??????
That old, bag of bones cracks me up :lol:
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
:curse:
CAPTAIN CRAP!
K-State sent them a C&D letter.
Well, you did it wrong, because that dude isn't ceasing or desisting. Maybe you guys had a typo in your letter or something? Like asked him to "cease OR desist" or something? :dunno:
I say we wait and watch, and if that guy doesn't take his down, we just have _Fan put his back up for sale.
To me, the takeaway is "LOL at people who freak out because they get a serious-sounding correspondence from an attorney." Also, do whatever you want.
OR, maybe they were people who at one point in time were a person who freaked out at the idea of a letter like that but then later proved to be pretty darn cool headed about the letter topic and were somewhat vindicated and now are tapping their foot waiting for you to simply acknowledge their growth on this topic and want to be loved an appreciated for that. Did you rough ridin' think of that, YOU SON OF A BITCH FACE?!? Hypothetically. Asking for a Canadian...
I wasn't talking about the Canadian per se, you bizarrely sensitive bitch when it comes to Canadians.
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http://sportscrack.com/tees_optimusklein.html
:curse:
CAPTAIN CRAP!
K-State sent them a C&D letter.
Well, you did it wrong, because that dude isn't ceasing or desisting. Maybe you guys had a typo in your letter or something? Like asked him to "cease OR desist" or something? :dunno:
I say we wait and watch, and if that guy doesn't take his down, we just have _Fan put his back up for sale.
To me, the takeaway is "LOL at people who freak out because they get a serious-sounding correspondence from an attorney." Also, do whatever you want.
OR, maybe they were people who at one point in time were a person who freaked out at the idea of a letter like that but then later proved to be pretty darn cool headed about the letter topic and were somewhat vindicated and now are tapping their foot waiting for you to simply acknowledge their growth on this topic and want to be loved an appreciated for that. Did you rough ridin' think of that, YOU SON OF A BITCH FACE?!? Hypothetically. Asking for a Canadian...
I wasn't talking about the Canadian per se, you bizarrely sensitive bitch when it comes to Canadians.
i've always really liked pete but he's moved into my top four american posters as of late.
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obviously not legal with the #7. take them down ksu.
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.espncdn.com%2Fphoto%2F2010%2F1029%2Fncf_a_aklein_300.jpg&hash=f14385a7797d6adb6e74163afb8dcca2616f64f0)
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.espncdn.com%2Fphoto%2F2010%2F1029%2Fncf_a_aklein_300.jpg&hash=f14385a7797d6adb6e74163afb8dcca2616f64f0)
he's really pale
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This season has really illustrated beyond any other why dummies on ESPN are just big ol' dummies.
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he's really pale
He's a Wisky Boy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5Xrw2C_Po8
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he's really pale
He's a Wisky Boy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5Xrw2C_Po8
touche', sir
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obviously not legal with the #7. take them down ksu.
This clearly demonstrate's that _Fan's "Prime Candidate" shirt should still be up, and KSU's objection should be ignored on that particular shirt.
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Yeah, they've waived their right to bitch
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
:kaw: :bill:
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omfg! :lol:
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
:kaw: :bill:
you make me want to be a better man
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
:kaw: :bill:
Oh my
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That is majorly badass
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
:kaw: :bill:
BBeiSman worthy
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ESPN story tonight: Bama QB cries on bench. Climbs into tie for Heisman.
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http://heismanpundit.com/2012/11/03/did-aj-mccarron-and-kenjon-barner-shake-up-the-heisman-race/ (http://heismanpundit.com/2012/11/03/did-aj-mccarron-and-kenjon-barner-shake-up-the-heisman-race/)
:cool:
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
:kaw: :bill:
I'm crying :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
:kaw: :bill:
I'm crying :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
oh man
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
:kaw: :bill:
I'm crying :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
oh man
Will we get more of these? I vote yes!
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New talking point, CK doesn't even know what's going on with spaghetti brains and still scores TDs.
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
:kaw: :bill:
Please do many, many more of these.
Also, GUYS, the race is over. Brent has officially declared Klein the winner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JPDRHA0K83Y#t=715s
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
:kaw: :bill:
Please do many, many more of these.
Also, GUYS, the race is over. Brent has officially declared Klein the winner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JPDRHA0K83Y#t=715s
Was that a gE'r holding that sign?
Also, can we just stick to FOX and Gus Johnson from here on out?
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got shutdown fullback's vote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgEhfyejZNg&feature=player_detailpage#t=68s
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got shutdown fullback's vote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgEhfyejZNg&feature=player_detailpage#t=68s
That's great.
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From Insider Article:
College football MVP rankings
Collin Klein leads ranking of the 10 most valuable players in the nation
Originally Published: November 6, 2012
By Todd McShay | ESPN Insider
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US PresswireCollin Klein, Jarvis Jones and Manti Te'o have all had dominant 2012 seasons so far.
When my editors asked me to put together a ranking of the 10 most valuable players in college football, the question I tried to answer was: What would this team be without this individual player?
There is no perfect method for answering that question, or for ranking the sport's MVPs, but I tried to take into account two factors when sorting through candidates: how essential the player has been to his team's success, and how the player's team has fared so far this season. Obviously, talent plays a big role in this, but this is neither a list of the nation's 10 most talented players nor an evaluation of players' NFL prospects.
Part of the fun of doing this in college football is that the sport's top individual award actually honors the "most outstanding player" each year, not its most valuable. So I saw it as an opportunity to highlight some players at positions who normally don't get as much exposure in the Heisman race but are every bit as valuable to their teams' success as the nation's best QBs, running backs and receivers. You'll see some overlap between this ranking and the latest Heisman lists, but you'll also see some players who aren't getting any Heisman attention.
There were a lot of good players who were tough to leave off this list: Oregon's Dion Jordan, Florida's Matt Elam and Oregon State's Scott Crichton are three defensive players who just missed the cut. I really want to include Alabama guard Chance Warmack on here, as I think he's the best offensive lineman in all of college football, but as good as he is, I still think the Crimson Tide would be really good up front if you took him off their line. Northern Illinois QB Jordan Lynch has been awesome for the 9-1 Huskies, but he just doesn't face the level of competition that a lot of these other players face, so I had to leave him off the list.
Here is my ranking of the 10 most valuable players in college football so far this season:
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1. Collin Klein, QB, Kansas State Wildcats
I'll start this section out by saying that the Wildcats are having an excellent season because they've been highly efficient in all three phases of the game; it's not all about Klein and the offense. That said, I don't think there's a player in the country who means more to his team than Klein does to K-State.
Klein brings leadership, toughness, and remarkable consistency and production. He is completing 71.1 percent of his throws with 12 touchdowns and just two interceptions, in addition to rushing for 698 yards and 17 more TDs.
We caught a glimpse of just how important he is to the Wildcats on Saturday night. K-State scored 38 points in 35 minutes against Oklahoma State before Klein left with an injury ... and then managed only six points in the final 25 minutes without him.
What seals Klein's No. 1 ranking here is that he's doing it for the team that is ranked No. 2 in the BCS. There's no way the Wildcats are in that position without him.
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I noticed this kid got some sweet airtime watching the game replay on Sunday. Total stud in life already. So rough ridin' awesome I will excuse the KLEISMAN.
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I noticed this kid got some sweet airtime watching the game replay on Sunday. Total stud in life already. So rough ridin' awesome I will excuse the KLEISMAN.
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That kid is giving the camera man the crazy eye :thumbsup:
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And his stud older girlfriend is flipping the camera off.
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And his stud older girlfriend is flipping the camera off.
That's not his mom?
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that entire family is studs
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And his stud older girlfriend is flipping the camera off.
That's not his mom?
IDK, but I am sticking with stud older girlfriend. The kid is so stud it has to be stud older girlfriend.
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And his stud older girlfriend is flipping the camera off.
That's not his mom?
IDK, but I am sticking with stud older girlfriend. The kid is so stud it has to be stud older girlfriend.
That was my thought too, the kid is such a stud and ladies are attracted to shiny gold stuff. One day you're playing with Legos, the next day you're slaying older filles. Man, what a stud.
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And his stud older girlfriend is flipping the camera off.
That's not his mom?
IDK, but I am sticking with stud older girlfriend. The kid is so stud it has to be stud older girlfriend.
That was my thought too, the kid is such a stud and ladies are attracted to shiny gold stuff. One day you're playing with Legos, the next day you're slaying older filles. Man, what a stud.
Plus, mom probably wouldn't be flipping the camera off.
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that entire family is studs
Are they related to this stud :emawkid:?
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Heh.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1402948-kansas-state-vs-tcu-watch-espn-unites-collin-klein-james-bond-movie-trailer?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Heh.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1402948-kansas-state-vs-tcu-watch-espn-unites-collin-klein-james-bond-movie-trailer?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
The view from The Chamber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UXiLOGVp2NU#t=52s)
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
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How did I miss this? :lol:
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that entire family is studs
Confirmed studs.
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
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How did I miss this? :lol:
I did too! :eek: Learned Johnny Kaw is not made of butter. :thumbs: :thumbs:
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Johnny Kaw has some stuff to say about an amazing human being: http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY (http://youtu.be/Lk--TRxB6UY)
:kaw: :bill:
:lol:
Wow. That's too much.
:lol:
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Not sure where to put this but my friend just told me CK7 was on their flight from New Orleans to MCI over the summer.
They had been in town for a bachelor party and were in pretty bad shape by the time they boarded the plane. After the plane took off one of them starts vommiting into the little puke bags.
After a couple of minutes he gets tapped on the shoulder by the guy in the seat behind him. He turns around and he is face to face with CK7, collin looks him in the eye and says " are you alright? Is there anything you need?"
<3 <3 <3
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Not sure where to put this but my friend just told me CK7 was on their flight from New Orleans to MCI over the summer.
They had been in town for a bachelor party and were in pretty bad shape by the time they boarded the plane. After the plane took off one of them starts vommiting into the little puke bags.
After a couple of minutes he gets tapped on the shoulder by the guy in the seat behind him. He turns around and he is face to face with CK7, collin looks him in the eye and says " are you alright? Is there anything you need?"
<3 <3 <3
Was his hangover miraculously cured? Did your friend immediately convert to Christianity and dedicate his life to Jesus following this encounter?
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So...this Johnny Manziel son a bitch.
There's no way, right?
I mean, giving it to a freshman is basically historically unprecedented but I'm getting really :ohno:
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So...this Johnny Manziel son a bitch.
There's no way, right?
I mean, giving it to a freshman is basically historically unprecedented but I'm getting really :ohno:
he wont be a threat this year. but he will be one of the names early next year
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So...this Johnny Manziel son a bitch.
There's no way, right?
I mean, giving it to a freshman is basically historically unprecedented but I'm getting really :ohno:
He just beat the unbeatable #1 SECSECSEC team in their own house. Let everyone enjoy it for now.
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So...this Johnny Manziel son a bitch.
There's no way, right?
I mean, giving it to a freshman is basically historically unprecedented but I'm getting really :ohno:
He just beat the unbeatable #1 SECSECSEC team in their own house. Let everyone enjoy it for now.
He is also the reason that aTm lost to LSU (3 int). He shouldn't win crap this year. He is pretty awesome though.
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He is awesome. Will not win. For once, tucky sports journos will work in our favor.
Final Ballot
1) Klein
2) Marquise whatever from USC
3) Manziel
4) Barner/Teo
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This is a stupid article.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/20952108/johnny-heisman-freshman-or-not-aggies-scintillating-star-qb-deserves-the-trophy
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Writers really like him because they like saying "Johnny Football".
Also, this nickname makes me want to hurt someone. Really dislike it. I haven't even been able to form a rational explanation why, been too busy hating it.
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Writers really like him because they like saying "Johnny Football".
Also, this nickname makes me want to hurt someone. Really dislike it. I haven't even been able to form a rational explanation why, been too busy hating it.
"Johnny Football" is about a million times better than the winking "Scooby Doo" references.
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Writers really like him because they like saying "Johnny Football".
Also, this nickname makes me want to hurt someone. Really dislike it. I haven't even been able to form a rational explanation why, been too busy hating it.
Had a premonition that his family would seek to trademark it? :dunno:
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Writers really like him because they like saying "Johnny Football".
Also, this nickname makes me want to hurt someone. Really dislike it. I haven't even been able to form a rational explanation why, been too busy hating it.
"Johnny Football" is about a million times better than the winking "Scooby Doo" references.
what a dumbass nickname. you could just apply it to anyone good at football. arthur football. collin football. christopher football. tyler football. tysyn fytbyll. darren football. daniel football. tremaine football. meshak football.
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So Johnny is like the 3rd different person to make a run at it correct? wonder who it will be next week. Guessing Oregon's QB.
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So Johnny is like the 3rd different person to make a run at it correct? wonder who it will be next week. Guessing Oregon's QB.
hubes.
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Writers really like him because they like saying "Johnny Football".
Also, this nickname makes me want to hurt someone. Really dislike it. I haven't even been able to form a rational explanation why, been too busy hating it.
"Johnny Football" is about a million times better than the winking "Scooby Doo" references.
what a dumbass nickname. you could just apply it to anyone good at football. arthur football. collin football. christopher football. tyler football. tysyn fytbyll. darren football. daniel football. tremaine football. meshak football.
Denied. If that kid's name was Doug, no way they are calling him Dougie Football and acting like it is the coolest nickname in the world. I wouldn't even bother to direct hate at a name such as Dougie Football. Not worth my time.
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Gridiron Doug
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So Johnny is like the 3rd different person to make a run at it correct? wonder who it will be next week. Guessing Oregon's QB.
hubes.
After Hubert has a big game against Baylor I'm going to start calling him Johnny Football.
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So Johnny is like the 3rd different person to make a run at it correct? wonder who it will be next week. Guessing Oregon's QB.
hubes.
After Hubert has a big game against Baylor I'm going to start calling him Johnny Football.
:love: :lol:
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So Johnny is like the 3rd different person to make a run at it correct? wonder who it will be next week. Guessing Oregon's QB.
hubes.
After Hubert has a big game against Baylor I'm going to start calling him Johnny Football.
more like Johnny Hubert Heisman Football.
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Gridiron Doug
Would feel pitty not hate.
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Collin Heisman vs. Johnny Football
Who will win?
Also, lol at _FAN's idea. Can't wait to do that.
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This is a stupid article.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/20952108/johnny-heisman-freshman-or-not-aggies-scintillating-star-qb-deserves-the-trophy
Gregg is another SEC shill and of course the #1 troll in the sports media. There should be plenty of K-Staters in this week's hate mail.
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So Johnny is like the 3rd different person to make a run at it correct? wonder who it will be next week. Guessing Oregon's QB.
hubes.
After Hubert has a big game against Baylor I'm going to start calling him Johnny Football.
Be careful. We don't want him splitting votes with Klein.
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Writers really like him because they like saying "Johnny Football".
Also, this nickname makes me want to hurt someone. Really dislike it. I haven't even been able to form a rational explanation why, been too busy hating it.
"Johnny Football" is about a million times better than the winking "Scooby Doo" references.
what a dumbass nickname. you could just apply it to anyone good at football. arthur football. collin football. christopher football. tyler football. tysyn fytbyll. darren football. daniel football. tremaine football. meshak football.
Denied. If that kid's name was Doug, no way they are calling him Dougie Football and acting like it is the coolest nickname in the world. I wouldn't even bother to direct hate at a name such as Dougie Football. Not worth my time.
1984 Heisman Trophy winner Doug "Dougie Football" Flutie says hi.
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This is a stupid article.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/20952108/johnny-heisman-freshman-or-not-aggies-scintillating-star-qb-deserves-the-trophy
Gregg is another SEC shill and of course the #1 troll in the sports media. There should be plenty of K-Staters in this week's hate mail.
Dear Mr. Doyel,
While we appreciate receiving your submission, at this time we aren't able to find you any space on the Johnny Manziel bandwagon.
Perhaps in the future you might think about submtting your glowing praise, you do it a few weeks before everyone else in the world has, so that you can reserve a spot prior to everyone else and his uncle already hopping on the bandwagon.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
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You guys are dumb. Johnny Football is a great nickname.
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You guys are dumb. Johnny Football is a great nickname.
Not great but it is genius branding if you are on his team or have any interests of him becoming something much more than he ever could on his own.
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You guys are dumb. Johnny Football is a great nickname.
I like Johnny Rubber better :dunno:
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Johnny Poo-Poo Pants is catchier.
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Little Johnny Jizzmacher :barf:
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So predictos on Klein's stats against Baylor? Throws for 400, rushes for 600 is what I say. I mean Baylor's gotta be firing Phil Bennett after this season, right?
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So predictos on Klein's stats against Baylor? Throws for 400, rushes for 600 is what I say. I mean Baylor's gotta be firing Phil Bennett after this season, right?
My hope is that he throws for 275-300, runs for 60, accounts for 3-4 TDs and gives way to #life in the 4th quarter.
Also, hope that Pease/Johnny Football combine for 200+ on the ground.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
98% of total points possible, record is 91% (Reggie Bush)
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
98% of total points possible, record is 91% (Reggie Bush)
Heisman for Klein is pretty much like NC game for team; win out and its a lock.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
98% of total points possible, record is 91% (Reggie Bush)
Heisman for Klein is pretty much like NC game for team; win out and its a lock.
Do you think Snyder has NCOY locked up regardless? I am thinking he has to win 1 of last 2, which won't be an issue, since we are gonna win 'em all.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
:lol: at how unfair it is for anyone else. Just amazing.
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi123.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo293%2Fjde512%2FCollinKleinSI.jpg&hash=aee8f3512fed5573d31c1d26c9fcc76e63075f6b)
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
Colby Cameron :shakesfist:
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
Colby Cameron :shakesfist:
You know what? That's pretty cute. Good for him.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
Colby Cameron :shakesfist:
That is quite possibly the most cracka-ass cracka name of all time.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
Colby Cameron :shakesfist:
That is quite possibly the most cracka-ass cracka name of all time.
No, denied. Iowa State's punter is named Kirby Van Der Beek.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
Colby Cameron :shakesfist:
That is quite possibly the most cracka-ass cracka name of all time.
No, denied. Iowa State's punter is named Kirby Van Der Beek.
No, denied. There is a guy who covers Texas fb who is named Chuck Carlton.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
Colby Cameron :shakesfist:
That is quite possibly the most cracka-ass cracka name of all time.
No, denied. Iowa State's punter is named Kirby Van Der Beek.
:lol:
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
Colby Cameron :shakesfist:
That is quite possibly the most cracka-ass cracka name of all time.
No, denied. Iowa State's punter is named Kirby Van Der Beek.
No, denied. There is a guy who covers Texas fb who is named Chuck Carlton.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_md3psccibg1qzx0sio1_1280.png&hash=5d004be2aeeccf2b5b2d99db29b3e8219be14d7e)
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/12/heisman-survey-collin-klein-manti-teo-johnny-manziel/1699727/#
Colby Cameron :shakesfist:
That is quite possibly the most cracka-ass cracka name of all time.
No, denied. Iowa State's punter is named Kirby Van Der Beek.
No, denied. There is a guy who covers Texas fb who is named Chuck Carlton.
No, denied. The university of Kansas has a basketball player named Jeff Withey.
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I've watched a lot of K-State games this year, and Klein is such a stud. I know that his throwing motion has been a perceived liability, but other than that, what's not to like? Why isn't Klein projected higher in the NFL Draft? Seems like the guy is basically a Cam Newton/Tim Tebow hybrid. If I were the Chiefs I would draft him in a heartbeat.
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Johnny Poo-Poo Pants is catchier.
I like it
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Could Klein get a USED TROPHY?!?!
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/story/_/id/8272932/former-usc-trojans-running-back-reggie-bush-returned-2005-heisman-trophy
:horrorsurprise:
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I've watched a lot of K-State games this year, and Klein is such a stud. I know that his throwing motion has been a perceived liability, but other than that, what's not to like? Why isn't Klein projected higher in the NFL Draft? Seems like the guy is basically a Cam Newton/Tim Tebow hybrid. If I were the Chiefs I would draft him in a heartbeat.
Me too, Beems. Me too.
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Might be luked, but CK making a repeat appearance on Dan Patrick show in a bit.
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I've watched a lot of K-State games this year, and Klein is such a stud. I know that his throwing motion has been a perceived liability, but other than that, what's not to like? Why isn't Klein projected higher in the NFL Draft? Seems like the guy is basically a Cam Newton/Tim Tebow hybrid. If I were the Chiefs I would draft him in a heartbeat.
They are going to draft Barkley, and he is going to suck. Some good team will take a chance on Klein and get rewarded.
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I've watched a lot of K-State games this year, and Klein is such a stud. I know that his throwing motion has been a perceived liability, but other than that, what's not to like? Why isn't Klein projected higher in the NFL Draft? Seems like the guy is basically a Cam Newton/Tim Tebow hybrid. If I were the Chiefs I would draft him in a heartbeat.
They are going to draft _______, and he is going to suck. Some good team will take a chance on Klein and get rewarded.
Death, taxes, the bolded statement above...
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what an awful interview so far, just like his first on DP show
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"you feel like you're talking to someone in the 1950's"
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womanziel is disgusting
And extremely :opcat:
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Klein named one of the finalists for 2012 Walter Camp Player of the Year (http://waltercamp.org/index.php/news/fifteen_named_to_walter_camp_player_of_the_year_watch_list/).
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7sbw5ZCYAAv-MR.jpg:large)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7sbw5ZCYAAv-MR.jpg:large)
Warm up the Tractor!
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Rahne!
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/14/3917453/former-k-state-assistant-recognized.html
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Rahne!
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/14/3917453/former-k-state-assistant-recognized.html
Klein helped Rahne’s wife shovel snow off her driveway in Manhattan when Rahne was away after he switched jobs. Rahne still roots for him.
He's the best human being ever.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7tIMAlCMAA2MgJ.jpg)
JERSEY POCKETS!?!?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7tIMAlCMAA2MgJ.jpg)
JERSEY POCKETS!?!?
embedded hand warmer...Sams needs one of these jerseys
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Rahne!
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/14/3917453/former-k-state-assistant-recognized.html
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Klein helped Rahne’s wife shovel snow off her driveway in Manhattan when Rahne was away after he switched jobs. Rahne still roots for him.
He's the best human being ever.
Snow was not the only thing he was plowing.
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Rahne!
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/14/3917453/former-k-state-assistant-recognized.html
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Klein helped Rahne’s wife shovel snow off her driveway in Manhattan when Rahne was away after he switched jobs. Rahne still roots for him.
He's the best human being ever.
Snow was not the only thing he was plowing.
No, the article was about Collin, not Prince.
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So Collin had a broken finger on his right hand going into Norman?? Stud :ksu:
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bonfire aggy is going all out on twitter today with the side-by-side comparison to johnny.
pic.twitter.com/vJvYLos2 (http://pic.twitter.com/vJvYLos2)
my favorite stat is "quarters missed due to blowouts" :sdeek:
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bonfire aggy is going all out on twitter today with the side-by-side comparison to johnny.
pic.twitter.com/vJvYLos2 (http://pic.twitter.com/vJvYLos2)
my favorite stat is "quarters missed due to blowouts" :sdeek:
Do they mention that his 3 int's cost them a game?
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bonfire aggy is going all out on twitter today with the side-by-side comparison to johnny.
pic.twitter.com/vJvYLos2 (http://pic.twitter.com/vJvYLos2)
my favorite stat is "quarters missed due to blowouts" :sdeek:
lmao @ "Adjusted YPG"
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Someone should ad an arrests stat
Kissing of mother on lips when full grown stat as well
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bonfire aggy is going all out on twitter today with the side-by-side comparison to johnny.
pic.twitter.com/vJvYLos2 (http://pic.twitter.com/vJvYLos2)
my favorite stat is "quarters missed due to blowouts" :sdeek:
Of course he's going to have inflated stats, he plays in an inferior conference
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bonfire aggy is going all out on twitter today with the side-by-side comparison to johnny.
pic.twitter.com/vJvYLos2 (http://pic.twitter.com/vJvYLos2)
my favorite stat is "quarters missed due to blowouts" :sdeek:
Racist friends defended in a fist fight:
Johnny Testicle: 1
Optimus Klein: 0
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Someone should ad an arrests stat
Kissing of mother on lips when full grown stat as well
THIS...
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they're really going after it hard. how cute.
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evidently i have a long lost facebook friend that went to a&m. did not know that. he's not happy about my portrayal of johnny "racist slur" manziel.
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johnny hatecrime really needs to catch on.
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Losses as starter: Klein - 4; Manziel - 2
Number of starts: Klein - 25; Manziel - 10
Losses per start: Klein - 0.16; Manziel - 0.20
Losses per start per year: Klein - 0.053; Manziel - 0.200
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Losses as starter: Klein - 4; Manziel - 2
Number of starts: Klein - 25; Manziel - 10
Losses per start: Klein - 0.16; Manziel - 0.20
Losses per start per year: Klein - 0.053; Manziel - 0.200
is this adjusted to include quarters missed due to blowouts?
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Losses as starter: Klein - 4; Manziel - 2
Number of starts: Klein - 25; Manziel - 10
Losses per start: Klein - 0.16; Manziel - 0.20
Losses per start per year: Klein - 0.053; Manziel - 0.200
3 losses last year when Klein was a starter.
Where was the 4th?
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@ Colorado in 2010
He started, but LHCBS put in Coffman in at halftime. :facepalm:
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Losses as starter: Klein - 4; Manziel - 2
Number of starts: Klein - 25; Manziel - 10
Losses per start: Klein - 0.16; Manziel - 0.20
Losses per start per year: Klein - 0.053; Manziel - 0.200
is this adjusted to include quarters missed due to blowouts?
Dammit...no. I excluded spring games as well.
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3 losses last year when Klein was a starter.
Where was the 4th?
@ Colorado in 2010
He started, but LHCBS put in Coffman in at halftime. :facepalm:
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there are a lot of stats where Klein (2012 Heisman winner) is better
interceptions
sacks
completion percentage
qb rating
wins
height
looks
quality human being
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Marriages: 1-0
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Can't forget smell.
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# of appearances on the Dan Patrick Show: 2:0
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there are a lot of stats where Klein (2012 Heisman winner) is better
interceptions
sacks
completion percentage
qb rating
wins
height
looks
smell (luked)
religiosity
related to other alums through marriage
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bone structure (related to looks)
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Brothers on the same team: 1:0
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recruited by america's team.
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Shoe Size: 12.5 : 9
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Elbows
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Heisman candidacy based entirely on a single game:
Optimus: no
Testicle: yes
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Fewest # of teachers prior to reaching college: 1 : 38
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Yards per bandaid:
Testicle: not much
Optimus: bunches
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Shoe Size: 12.5 : 9
Those would not be proportionate to their height.
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SI Covers: 1-0
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Born in a state with legalized marijuana use: Yes : No
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halloween costumes:
johnny hatecrime: scooby doo
CK: stays at home and prays for the souls lost to the dark wiccan arts.
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Shoe Size: 12.5 : 9
Those would not be proportionate to their height.
Math.
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Is it common for high level athletes to wear such a small shoe? I mean, 9 is like pretty small, right?
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Famous QBs who wore the same jersey number:
Optimus: #7 John Elway, Ben Roethlisberger :drool:
Testicle: #2 Aaron Brooks, Tim Couch :jerk:
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Number of musical instruments they can play: eleventy billion : prolly a banjo
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I bet you limp
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Jesus Christ what's with the shoes from Sears? :sdeek:
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Klein: http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=353020
Can't wait to see that in his heisman video in NYC
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Mark May, known racist, is now trying to get on the Kleinsman bandwagon. Sports Center just now.
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a lot of media types are on our side
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bikesportmichigan.com%2Ffeatures%2Ftrishoe-guide%2Fshoe-comparison-size.jpg&hash=685aabe88c2387ecfc9f9cb815505717cd6befe2)
I bet you limp
why are we looking at biking shoes?
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Klein: http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=353020
Can't wait to see that in his heisman video in NYC
Man, that's my Ins agent, Brian Green from Topeka. ;)
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whitehead zits:
sideways 8
none, ever
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Joshua_Kinder: Pretty cool promo for #kstate QB Collin Klein -- a tin of bandaids. Creative ideas by KSU! http://t.co/qTHucF1n
:excited:
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so very non-kstate0 work going on recently.
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so very non-kstate0 work going on recently.
idk. i'd say a box of bandaids is pretty kstateo.
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so very non-kstate0 work going on recently.
idk. i'd say a box of bandaids is pretty kstateo.
I disagree. It's a creative and consistent theme. Imo of course dlew and I respect your opinion!
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so very non-kstate0 work going on recently.
idk. i'd say a box of bandaids is pretty kstateo.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7yOnzYCYAADxd7.jpg)
I don't know about that. Its a directed marketing message with no fireworks, ill placed military equipment, or run on slogans which make something look like they end in 0.
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so very non-kstate0 work going on recently.
idk. i'd say a box of bandaids is pretty kstateo.
I disagree. It's a creative and consistent theme. Imo of course dlew and I respect your opinion!
i think kstateo stuff can be pretty creative. then again, i suspect i have a different definition of kstateo than most.
example: i don't think "kstateo" and "cool" are opposite.
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If I had a tin of CK bandaids I'd put them all on at the same time and go into work. I'd probably get fired but who cares at that point.
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I think it's cool, gj to our sports marketing team
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I think it's cool, gj to our sports marketing team
agreed
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so very non-kstate0 work going on recently.
idk. i'd say a box of bandaids is pretty kstateo.
I disagree. It's a creative and consistent theme. Imo of course dlew and I respect your opinion!
i think kstateo stuff can be pretty creative. then again, i suspect i have a different definition of kstateo than most.
example: i don't think "kstateo" and "cool" are opposite.
Man, Dlew is a good poster.
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Excellent bandaids. Not K-State0 at all. I second 'ssclams' gj to the sports marketing team.
But weird thing: hasn't there been, like, no CK elbow bleeding this year? Or are the TV people just not highlighting it as much or something?
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If I had a tin of CK bandaids I'd put them all on at the same time and go into work. I'd probably get fired but who cares at that point.
I would wear them all at CTR and get on TV
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CK kinda looks like a little person or something on that image. Maybe it's just me?
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CK kinda looks like a little person or something on that image. Maybe it's just me?
optical illusion similar to the moon... By himself CK looks small, but near other objects he looks huge.
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I would cut myself like a 15 year old girl if I had those band-aids.
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I would cut myself like a 15 year old girl if I had those band-aids.
:lol: :embarrassed:
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If I had a CK tin full of band aides, I wouldn't be sittin' here bbs'n with you all. I can tell you that much.
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Simply the best:
David Ubben ?@davidubben
Apparent we're headed for a polarizing Heisman vote. Will A&M pack up and take its talents to the Canadian Football League if Klein wins?
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Simply the best:
David Ubben ?@davidubben
Apparent we're headed for a polarizing Heisman vote. Will A&M pack up and take its talents to the Canadian Football League if Klein wins?
:emawkid:
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Around the Horn (garbage I know) is discussing Johnny Football. 4 panelists who don't watch college football agree it goes to Manziel because "How can you NOT give it to a guy named Johnny Football" :flush:
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Johnny Hate Crime on the cover of Cnn.com with a teaser about he may be the first frosh to win the Heisman.
Also, relates him to Barry Sanders. Deion Sanders. Michael Jordan. Reggie Jackson. Wayne Gretzky. Pele.
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if he had a chance to play in the sec championship game and win it this year he would prob be the heisman but as long as collin and the wildcats win @baylor and texas and they are solid wins and not super lucky notre dame wins ck7 will win the heisman.
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Excellent bandaids. Not K-State0 at all. I second 'ssclams' gj to the sports marketing team.
But weird thing: hasn't there been, like, no CK elbow bleeding this year? Or are the TV people just not highlighting it as much or something?
The bleeding (last year) was a product of playing the third game on a rough ridin' baseball field. And then the scabs never got time to heal.
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if he had a chance to play in the sec championship game and win it this year he would prob be the heisman but as long as collin and the wildcats win @baylor and texas and they are solid wins and not super lucky notre dame wins ck7 will win the heisman.
a game winning play in either of the next two would not hurt
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if he had a chance to play in the sec championship game and win it this year he would prob be the heisman but as long as collin and the wildcats win @baylor and texas and they are solid wins and not super lucky notre dame wins ck7 will win the heisman.
a game winning play in either of the next two would not hurt
Us being that close to either of the next to could hurt.
Game winning plays are for teams that can't smash other teams.
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oh man, think how pissed bill will be when CK has to miss a day of practice or something to go pick up his trophy.
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oh man, think how pissed bill will be when CK has to miss a day of practice or something to go pick up his trophy.
normally i would agree with this but after what happened to ds43 and this new snyds 2.0 im betting he would travel with klein to nyc and tell the rest of the coaches and players to eff off
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if he had a chance to play in the sec championship game and win it this year he would prob be the heisman but as long as collin and the wildcats win @baylor and texas and they are solid wins and not super lucky notre dame wins ck7 will win the heisman.
a game winning play in either of the next two would not hurt
Us being that close to either of the next to could hurt.
Game winning plays are for teams that can't smash other teams.
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Game winning KSU plays are so 2011
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so very non-kstate0 work going on recently.
idk. i'd say a box of bandaids is pretty kstateo.
I disagree. It's a creative and consistent theme. Imo of course dlew and I respect your opinion!
i think kstateo stuff can be pretty creative. then again, i suspect i have a different definition of kstateo than most.
example: i don't think "kstateo" and "cool" are opposite.
Yeah, I think you are ignoring what kstateo is and just made something up.
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so very non-kstate0 work going on recently.
idk. i'd say a box of bandaids is pretty kstateo.
I disagree. It's a creative and consistent theme. Imo of course dlew and I respect your opinion!
i think kstateo stuff can be pretty creative. then again, i suspect i have a different definition of kstateo than most.
example: i don't think "kstateo" and "cool" are opposite.
Yeah, I think you are ignoring what kstateo is and just made something up.
don't you dare lecture me about kstateo stuff
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so very non-kstate0 work going on recently.
idk. i'd say a box of bandaids is pretty kstateo.
I disagree. It's a creative and consistent theme. Imo of course dlew and I respect your opinion!
i think kstateo stuff can be pretty creative. then again, i suspect i have a different definition of kstateo than most.
example: i don't think "kstateo" and "cool" are opposite.
Venn! Venn! Do it!
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oh man, think how pissed bill will be when CK has to miss a day of practice or something to go pick up his trophy.
I think it wouod be pretty sweet if the neek showed up as a proxy recipient and read a note by collin as the acceptance speech that went something like "thanks everybody for this honor, but I'm working on hoisting another trophy. Go god. Go cats." The neek drops the mic takes trophy and walks off the stage. Everyone is sitting there jaws slack.
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Anyone else think that Mr. Wonderful waltzes into Johnny's home state tonight and puts this to bed?
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Anyone else think that Mr. Wonderful waltzes into Johnny's home state tonight and puts this to bed?
I sure feel something in my brain that seems to indicate this could happen.
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Anyone else think that Mr. Wonderful waltzes into Johnny's home state tonight and puts this to bed?
This is honestly the part I'm struggling with the most.
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its hard to believe this
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heisman, championship, coach of the year... goodbye
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His chances aren't REALLY gone though if he has a stud CTR game right?
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His chances aren't REALLY gone though if he has a stud CTR game right?
No, his chance is gone.
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Yeah. Over. Everything is gone.
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Klein losing the Heisman hurts more than losing the NC
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Klein losing the Heisman hurts more than losing the NC
oh?
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Klein losing the Heisman hurts more than losing the NC
wut
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:flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush:
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I still want that tin of bandaids tho.
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Klein losing the Heisman hurts more than losing the NC
wut
It's how I'm dealing with it.
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Klein losing the Heisman hurts more than losing the NC
wut
It's how I'm dealing with it.
by making it twice as hard :dunno:
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Can we turn off the lights on this thread and lock the door?
:clac:
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Can we turn off the lights on this thread and lock the door?
:clac:
Rename it Official eff Sports Illustrated Thread
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Rename it Official eff Sports Illustrated Thread
fyp
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If CK7 puts Texas' dick in the dirt, I still think it's his. Manti "I'm only a heisman candidate because my gf died" Teo is not going to win it. Johnny Hatecrime has one good game.
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I burnt my "Kleinsman" shirt tonight (great shirt _FAN, but I'd never wear it again). If he were to miraculously win, he doesn't deserve it.
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I burnt my "Kleinsman" shirt tonight (great shirt _FAN, but I'd never wear it again). If he were to miraculously win, he doesn't deserve it.
Oh eff off.
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Nope. It's over.
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We should get him a really bad ass guilded bronze frame for that SI cover as a second place prize.
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I would put Teo and Miller ahead of Klein because they're undefeated. I would put Johnny hate crime in 4th, behind Klein. I think if Klein has an awesome game against Bevo and Domer pisses down their leg against USC, Klein will win it.
Also, even though Mizzou sucks, hopefully their personnel familiarity can slow down Johnny hatecrime a bit.
Either way, I think Klein still gets an invite to New York.
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It makes me physically ill thinking about Johnny Hate Crime winning this thing. What a terrible human being.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman12/ (http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman12/)
Kind of surprised but the Heisman race has been weak all year.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman12/ (http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman12/)
Kind of surprised but the Heisman race has been weak all year.
Will take.
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I didn't realize how much the voters hated voting for freshman. I think he can still win it with a good performance against Texas. It helps that Manziel won't be playing that Saturday. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman12/ (http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman12/)
Kind of surprised but the Heisman race has been weak all year.
They dont update that page till tomorrow :crossfingers:
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I didn't realize how much the voters hated voting for freshman. I think he can still win it with a good performance against Texas. It helps that Manziel won't be playing that Saturday. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
I thought Te'o would be higher. I think the real threat is from him or Lee. If either go off on Saturday, it could put them in the drivers seat. A freshman will never win the Heisman, IMO. Also I wonder if people will want to vote for Collen or Te'o because they know that the trophy will 100% not be returned to them because of issues.
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A lot of things can change for us if wipe the field with UT. Klein gets 5 total TDs and I think he will still win the thing.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman12/ (http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman12/)
Kind of surprised but the Heisman race has been weak all year.
They dont update that page till tomorrow :crossfingers:
:facepalm: nevermind. Here comes Johnny Fake ID
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So we have to cheer for Missouri...man competing for NC's and Heismans sure makes a person do weird things
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I
Want to believe, but I'm still so hurt. :frown:
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such a weird range of emotions in a span of three weeks
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At minimum, he needs to have a Texas Tech type game. Would be really nice for a West Virginia type game. He's still in the running though.
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I think he'll be fine if we beat Texas. He's white, christian, and not a freshman. Most of the tuck voters will like that.
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I think he'll be fine if we beat Texas. He's white, christian, and not a freshman. Most of the tuck voters will like that.
I am thinking the same for Klein...I want him to win on his abilities but with a solid win against Texas I think the above will help him pull ahead and win.. :opcat:
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I think he'll be fine if we beat Texas. He's white, christian, and not a freshman. Most of the tuck voters will like that.
I am thinking the same for Klein...I want him to win on his abilities but with a solid win against Texas I think the above will help him pull ahead and win.. :opcat:
Black players won each of the last two Heismans over the same white QB (Luck), so maybe the voters aren't as :opcat: as you think
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I think he'll be fine if we beat Texas. He's white, christian, and not a freshman. Most of the tuck voters will like that.
I am thinking the same for Klein...I want him to win on his abilities but with a solid win against Texas I think the above will help him pull ahead and win.. :opcat:
Black players won each of the last two Heismans over the same white QB (Luck), so maybe the voters aren't as :opcat: as you think
Nobody else in this year's Heisman race comes close to what those 2 did each of their years.
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JFC, it's not GPC casting votes, people...
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/19/heisman-survey-johnny-manziel-manti-teo-collin-klein/1714173/
fickle indeed...
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/19/heisman-survey-johnny-manziel-manti-teo-collin-klein/1714173/
fickle indeed...
Wondering how "Official" these people are...
"USA TODAY Sports Media Group survey of its 37 official Heisman voters"
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Guys I'm pretty sure it all happened because we talked about lightning bolts. :ohno:
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Guys I'm pretty sure it all happened because we talked about lightning bolts. :ohno:
Shouldn't have. That was KSU v KSU discussion, time line wise.
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I've never paid much attention to the Heisman because it's always bullshit, but I don't ever remember someone who no one had heard of before the season ever winning. You have to have a little momentum going in. So, I'll be a little butthurt if Manzeil wins over Klein.
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I've never paid much attention to the Heisman because it's always bullshit, but I don't ever remember someone who no one had heard of before the season ever winning. You have to have a little momentum going in. So, I'll be a little butthurt if Manzeil wins over Klein.
RGIII?
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I've never paid much attention to the Heisman because it's always bullshit, but I don't ever remember someone who no one had heard of before the season ever winning. You have to have a little momentum going in. So, I'll be a little butthurt if Manzeil wins over Klein.
RGIII?
:dubious:
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Troy Davis deserved the Heisman for Iowa State way back when. What he did on those teams was incredible. They might have won 5 games in his career
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Troy Davis deserved the Heisman for Iowa State way back when. What he did on those teams was incredible. They might have won 5 games in his career
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Davis
:sdeek:
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I agree with Chum, the Heisman voting is complete bullshit.
I'm surprised how much I got caught up in it the last few weeks, and probably will again if Klein climbs back in it.
I'm also surprised nobody's talking about Manzeil's transgressions........isn't there some bullshit 'character aspect' to the Heisman?
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Eric Crouch won the award in 2001 despite nubb losing to Colorado big time the week before the vote.
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I agree with Chum, the Heisman voting is complete bullshit.
I'm surprised how much I got caught up in it the last few weeks, and probably will again if Klein climbs back in it.
I'm also surprised nobody's talking about Manzeil's transgressions........isn't there some bullshit 'character aspect' to the Heisman?
There is, but maybe you haven't noticed how much people like saying "Johnny Football"?
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Eric Crouch won the award in 2001 despite nubb losing to Colorado big time the week before the vote.
In 2001, I'd wager that a significant portion of the electorate had already MAILED (i.e. US Postal Service) before that game.
Might actually be true this year as well.
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Most years about 1/3 of the voters have already voted prior to this past weekend in the season.
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Most years about 1/3 of the voters have already voted prior to this past weekend in the season.
:excited: For reals???
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I recall hearing a few tv morons spewing butthurt about it, I have no idea how true it is.
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Most years about 1/3 of the voters have already voted prior to this past weekend in the season.
:excited: For reals???
apparently not so many the last couple of seasons..... http://heismanpundit.com/2012/11/12/balloting-and-the-remaining-schedule/
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Eric Crouch won the award in 2001 despite nubb losing to Colorado big time the week before the vote.
Well it helps when you play for NU.
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Eric Crouch won the award in 2001 despite nubb losing to Colorado big time the week before the vote.
NU also went ahead and played for a national championship. Something tells me that's not going to happen for K-State, either.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/60053/big-12-heisman-watch-week-13-3 (http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/60053/big-12-heisman-watch-week-13-3)
Here's how I voted in this week's ESPN Heisman Watch:
1.Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
2.Braxton Miller, QB, Ohio State
3.Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame
4.Collin Klein, QB, Kansas State
5.Tajh Boyd, QB, Clemson
Dudben! :shakesfist:
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1 game and gets dropped to 4th. Eff you Ubben :shakesfist:
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I am feeling optimistic that if Klein has a stellar performance (4-5 touchdowns / 300-400 yards) against Texa$ on Dec 1st that could sway judges into pulling him in for a close victory over Freshman Johnny. A mizzou / USC win would help as well :ksu:
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But won't a bunch more people have their votes turned in by Dec. 1? :frown:
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http://heismanpundit.com/2012/11/20/manziel-takes-lead-in-latest-heismanpunditcbssports-com-heisman-straw-poll/
1. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M – 26 (7)
2. Manti Te’o, LB, Notre Dame – 17 (2)
3. Collin Klein, QB, Kansas State – 9
4. Braxton Miller, QB, Ohio State – 7 (1)
5. Marqise Lee, WR, USC – 5 (1)
6. (tie) Kenjon Barner, RB, Oregon – 1
0 first place votes. Forget about it. He doesn't deserve it anyway
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Might as well start firing up the #LIFE campaign now :emawkid:
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mods delete thread. kthx
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This is really depressing guys. Maybe Bill will get COY still. Wait, the media hates us. NVM
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So this is like officially over then?
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/21125015/start-striking-that-pose-johnny-manziel
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I just hate it because those rough ridin' annoying A&M fans are loving every minute of it. It will be really awful if they beat Texas in the Cotton Bowl. Jesus. eff them.
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If that criminal Manziel wins, I'll :barf:
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Freaking irritating. In his team's two losses Manziel goes 52 of 86 for 449 yards and 3 Ints with 0 TDs. Also ran 34 times for 87 yards, and 0 TDs. Not exactly amazing numbers. Games that were winnable if he plays just a bit better.
I guess it is best to suck early (and play for an SEC school).
F this crap if he wins.
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I just hate it because those rough ridin' annoying A&M fans are loving every minute of it. It will be really awful if they beat Texas in the Cotton Bowl. Jesus. eff them.
They will beat Texas by 50+.
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So this is like officially over then?
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/21125015/start-striking-that-pose-johnny-manziel
To be fair, its the third time its been over this year.
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http://heismanpundit.com/2012/11/20/manziel-takes-lead-in-latest-heismanpunditcbssports-com-heisman-straw-poll/
1. Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M – 26 (7)
2. Manti Te’o, LB, Notre Dame – 17 (2)
3. Collin Klein, QB, Kansas State – 9
4. Braxton Miller, QB, Ohio State – 7 (1)
5. Marqise Lee, WR, USC – 5 (1)
6. (tie) Kenjon Barner, RB, Oregon – 1
0 first place votes. Forget about it. He doesn't deserve it anyway
This looks right to me.
Johnny Football is the best player.
Teo is the best player on the best team.
Collin Klein was a nice little story that had an absolutely terrible performance against one of the shittiest defenses in college football on the biggest stage, with the entire country watching. It's hard to win a Heisman with a 3 interception crap show against Baylor and look really terrible doing it. It is what it is.
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Start Sams against Texas.
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No way, Trim. It's senior night!
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I like Klein and wish him to win the Heisman. Deserves it? phsshhh plenty of players have won it who don't "deserve" it.
Go Klein Go!
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Klein has put up awesome stats vs 8 bowl teams. He didn't get arrested earlier in the year and his parents aren't redneck cockfighting bigots from Texas. Klein had one bad game amongst a heap of good ones. After scoring TDs throwing, running, and receiving in a blowout of BevoU, he will again be the frontrunner.
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I hope so.
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If Klein has 400 total yards and 4 TDs while we win Dr Pepper and finish 11-1 next week everyone will be talking about him again. It's just how this goes.
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If Klein has 400 total yards and 4 TDs while we win Dr Pepper and finish 11-1 next week everyone will be talking about him again. It's just how this goes.
I want Klein to demoralize Texas so badly they just quit playing football to focus on men's gymnastics. But I do not want anyone in the national media to talk about him again until he's retiring from the NFL with a half dozen Superbowl rings. If Sports Illustrated EVER tries to visit Manhattan again... :shakesfist:
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How many people will have mailed in their ballots by tomorrow? :confused:
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So this is like officially over then?
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/21125015/start-striking-that-pose-johnny-manziel
To be fair, its the third time its been over this year.
Nope, Klein always came with the "if they continue to win games" disclaimer. Even after Gino got crushed by TT he was still the front runner. The media is absolutely ignoring what Johnny Hatecrime did in A&M's two losses just because he beat Alabama, while by the end of the season Alabama could look strikingly similar to OU.
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His hands, the ones that tightly gripped onto his son's hands as he taught him to steer a tractor, the ones that showed him how to throw a football, the ones that patted him on the back as he sat immersed in home-school studies, remain busy with a task that Doug Klein could have never imagined.
"I'm going through some photographs and I've got to finish up this project for ESPN and the Heisman," Doug said, "so I've been going through them and looking back…"
His voice trails off.
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His hands, the ones that tightly gripped onto his son's hands as he taught him to steer a tractor, the ones that showed him how to throw a football, the ones that patted him on the back as he sat immersed in home-school studies, remain busy with a task that Doug Klein could have never imagined.
"I'm going through some photographs and I've got to finish up this project for ESPN and the Heisman," Doug said, "so I've been going through them and looking back…"
His voice trails off.
lol, wow
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i hate d scott as much as anyone but what he wrote about klein is the best thing i have ever read on gpc, not sure on plagiarism and things of that nature so i wont copy and paste until clarification
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Love the ESPN heisman ceremony promo featuring Klein.
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i hate d scott as much as anyone but what he wrote about klein is the best thing i have ever read on gpc, not sure on plagiarism and things of that nature so i wont copy and paste until clarification
Who hates D Scott?
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i hate d scott as much as anyone but what he wrote about klein is the best thing i have ever read on gpc, not sure on plagiarism and things of that nature so i wont copy and paste until clarification
Who hates D Scott?
Yeah, he's a pretty nice guy.
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i hate d scott as much as anyone but what he wrote about klein is the best thing i have ever read on gpc, not sure on plagiarism and things of that nature so i wont copy and paste until clarification
What you quoted was one of the worst sentences ever written in journalism history.
Also, love D. Scott, but man he's a terrible writer.
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i hate d scott as much as anyone but what he wrote about klein is the best thing i have ever read on gpc, not sure on plagiarism and things of that nature so i wont copy and paste until clarification
What you quoted was one of the worst sentences ever written in journalism history.
Also, love D. Scott, but man he's a terrible writer.
yeah, i just quoted the part about the heisman there is more to it than that
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At least he can make fun of himself once in awhile, doesn't take himself too seriously. Meanwhile the rest of the crew is out being jackoffs and throwing a fit on twitter calling people bad ksu fans
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ok hate was a strong word, i group them all together though.i probably shouldnt stereotype like that but i i really dislike that place
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The man knows his roast beef sandwiches.
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CK named one of 3 finalists. Johnny Pud and Some defensive guy were the other two.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/index (http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/index)
Per the "experts" Klein doesn't recieve one first place vote.... :sdeek:
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Just as people expected, we lost the PR battle badly. I'm really butthurt over how satisfied with themselves A&M fans are because of this.
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Just as people expected, we lost the PR battle badly. I'm really butthurt over how satisfied with themselves A&M fans are because of this.
I do not understand why the Heisman trophy comes down to best marketing. Shouldn't the voters base it on things like stats? (I'm just spit balling here.)
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/index (http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/index)
Per the "experts" Klein doesn't recieve one first place vote.... :sdeek:
didn't get a first place vote in this one either
http://heismanpundit.com/2012/12/03/johnny-manziel-leads-final-heismanpunditcbssports-com-heisman-straw-poll/
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Just as people expected, we lost the PR battle badly. I'm really butthurt over how satisfied with themselves A&M fans are because of this.
We handed out band-aids, chum. what the eff else did you want us to do? John doesn't have room in the budget for these kinds of things.
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Just as people expected, we lost the PR battle badly. I'm really butthurt over how satisfied with themselves A&M fans are because of this.
We handed out band-aids, chum. what the eff else did you want us to do? John doesn't have room in the budget for these kinds of things.
Gotta cut costs somewhere if you want to retain the title of Most Profitable Athletic Department in America
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i like this haircut, has anyone done this for collin klein?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf6_w1d539o&feature=youtu.be
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klein and snyder pissing down their leg may have had more to do with losing the heisman than marketing. who knows though.
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Klein was never super flashy. Manziel is. Less about quality of player and more about highlight reels.
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klein and snyder pissing down their leg may have had more to do with losing the heisman than marketing. who knows though.
Yeah, but CK wiped his ass with johnny's football when you look at their stats against teams with a rough ridin' pulse. They should have pimped the crap out of that cause it's relevent.
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i'll get smashed, but i never saw CK as heisman worthy. i definitely wanted and hoped he would win, but never really thought with an unbiased eye that he was the best player in the nation. i don't think johnny hatecrime is either. it's just a really terrible year for superstar players.
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i'll get smashed, but i never saw CK as heisman worthy. i definitely wanted and hoped he would win, but never really thought with an unbiased eye that he was the best player in the nation. i don't think johnny hatecrime is either. it's just a really terrible year for superstar players.
despite what you've been told, the heisman rarely goes to the nation's best player.
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i'll get smashed, but i never saw CK as heisman worthy. i definitely wanted and hoped he would win, but never really thought with an unbiased eye that he was the best player in the nation. i don't think johnny hatecrime is either. it's just a really terrible year for superstar players.
I think that's because it's a player you watch week to week instead of just someone that you see their highlights on sportscenter but don't have the attachment to like you do a player on your team.
If that makes sense :dunno:
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i'll get smashed, but i never saw CK as heisman worthy. i definitely wanted and hoped he would win, but never really thought with an unbiased eye that he was the best player in the nation. i don't think johnny hatecrime is either. it's just a really terrible year for superstar players.
despite what you've been told, the heisman rarely goes to the nation's best player.
:runaway:
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I never thought he was a Heisman winning type player, that he'd win, or
klein and snyder pissing down their leg may have had more to do with losing the heisman than marketing. who knows though.
Yeah, but CK wiped his ass with johnny's football when you look at their stats against teams with a rough ridin' pulse. They should have pimped the crap out of that cause it's relevent.
Yeah, A&M kicked it into high gear after their Alabama game. We had no reponse. Nothing.
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I never thought he was a Heisman winning type player, that he'd win, or klein and snyder pissing down their leg may have had more to do with losing the heisman than marketing. who knows though.
Yeah, but CK wiped his ass with johnny's football when you look at their stats against teams with a rough ridin' pulse. They should have pimped the crap out of that cause it's relevent.
Yeah, A&M kicked it into high gear after their Alabama game. We had no reponse. Nothing.
I know. It was frustrating. If John Currie had half the EMAW that D Scott did we could have over came the A&M pr machine. Baylor was dogshit last year, didn't win the conference, and RG3 won it after beating a mediocre Texas team.
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I never thought he was a Heisman winning type player, that he'd win, or klein and snyder pissing down their leg may have had more to do with losing the heisman than marketing. who knows though.
Yeah, but CK wiped his ass with johnny's football when you look at their stats against teams with a rough ridin' pulse. They should have pimped the crap out of that cause it's relevent.
Yeah, A&M kicked it into high gear after their Alabama game. We had no reponse. Nothing.
I know. It was frustrating. If John Currie had half the EMAW that D Scott did we could have over came the A&M pr machine. Baylor was dogshit last year, didn't win the conference, and RG3 won it after beating a mediocre Texas team.
rgIII is mesmerizing. klein is anything but. no amount of marketing by our AD could overcome the media's love of Johnny football.
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I never thought he was a Heisman winning type player, that he'd win, or klein and snyder pissing down their leg may have had more to do with losing the heisman than marketing. who knows though.
Yeah, but CK wiped his ass with johnny's football when you look at their stats against teams with a rough ridin' pulse. They should have pimped the crap out of that cause it's relevent.
Yeah, A&M kicked it into high gear after their Alabama game. We had no reponse. Nothing.
I know. It was frustrating. If John Currie had half the EMAW that D Scott did we could have over came the A&M pr machine. Baylor was dogshit last year, didn't win the conference, and RG3 won it after beating a mediocre Texas team.
rgIII is mesmerizing. klein is anything but. no amount of marketing by our AD could overcome the media's love of Johnny football.
I don't think you understand the concept of marketing, much like KState's AD.
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I never thought he was a Heisman winning type player, that he'd win, or klein and snyder pissing down their leg may have had more to do with losing the heisman than marketing. who knows though.
Yeah, but CK wiped his ass with johnny's football when you look at their stats against teams with a rough ridin' pulse. They should have pimped the crap out of that cause it's relevent.
Yeah, A&M kicked it into high gear after their Alabama game. We had no reponse. Nothing.
I know. It was frustrating. If John Currie had half the EMAW that D Scott did we could have over came the A&M pr machine. Baylor was dogshit last year, didn't win the conference, and RG3 won it after beating a mediocre Texas team.
rgIII is mesmerizing. klein is anything but. no amount of marketing by our AD could overcome the media's love of Johnny football.
I don't think you understand the concept of marketing, much like KState's AD.
i'm a marketing savant
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Manziel will win but I pray that he gets Baylored by OU and Klein has massive numbers vs. Oregon.
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Johnny Hatecrime is going to win, he will do something completely embarrassing (again) and all the Heisman voters wish they had chosen differently :blank:
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Johnny Hatecrime is going to win, he will do something completely embarrassing (again) and all the Heisman voters wish they had chosen differently :blank:
Who will end up disgracing the Heisman more, OJ Simpson, Reggie Bush or Johnny Racism's inevitable off-season arrest?
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I never thought he was a Heisman winning type player, that he'd win, or klein and snyder pissing down their leg may have had more to do with losing the heisman than marketing. who knows though.
Yeah, but CK wiped his ass with johnny's football when you look at their stats against teams with a rough ridin' pulse. They should have pimped the crap out of that cause it's relevent.
Yeah, A&M kicked it into high gear after their Alabama game. We had no reponse. Nothing.
I know. It was frustrating. If John Currie had half the EMAW that D Scott did we could have over came the A&M pr machine. Baylor was dogshit last year, didn't win the conference, and RG3 won it after beating a mediocre Texas team.
rgIII is mesmerizing. klein is anything but. no amount of marketing by our AD could overcome the media's love of Johnny football.
I don't think you understand the concept of marketing, much like KState's AD.
kstatesports.com doesn't even have the top pagerank on google for Collin Klein. I mean I don't even.
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i'll get smashed, but i never saw CK as heisman worthy. i definitely wanted and hoped he would win, but never really thought with an unbiased eye that he was the best player in the nation. i don't think johnny hatecrime is either. it's just a really terrible year for superstar players.
despite what you've been told, the heisman rarely goes to the nation's best player.
All you need to know about the Heisman is Gonzalo LeBatard is a voter. I love Gonzalo LeBatard, but GMAFB. Why not give a vote to the perv who voices Elmo?
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Klein won the Heisman, in my heart.
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In games against BCS teams with winning records-
Klein 8-1, 26 td's, 5 to
Manzy 2-2, 5 td's, 6 to
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Does the Heisman even matter anymore? I personally believe the Davey O' Brien, The Maxwell, and the Doak Walker Award are the true awards today. The Heisman is a rough ridin' popularity contest about who can get more people to suck their dick. Maybe its just me but if Collin wins either the Davey or Maxwell that makes him the best player in the country :dunno:
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Does the Heisman even matter anymore? I personally believe the Davey O' Brien, The Maxwell, and the Doak Walker Award are the true awards today. The Heisman is a rough ridin' popularity contest about who can get more people to suck their dick. Maybe its just me but if Collin wins either the Davey or Maxwell that makes him the best player in the country :dunno:
But it's telling we can't win a wooden or Heisman with the best player in the country. I mean North Carolina stole one with, "But he justworks so hard, and Beasley may be the best pro, but the hardest worker in CBB is (can't even remember) And we can't pull that same rough ridin' line? I mean come on.
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Does the Heisman even matter anymore? I personally believe the Davey O' Brien, The Maxwell, and the Doak Walker Award are the true awards today. The Heisman is a rough ridin' popularity contest about who can get more people to suck their dick. Maybe its just me but if Collin wins either the Davey or Maxwell that makes him the best player in the country :dunno:
If Collin would have won then I would have disagreed with you strongly. But now I agree with you.
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Does the Heisman even matter anymore? I personally believe the Davey O' Brien, The Maxwell, and the Doak Walker Award are the true awards today. The Heisman is a rough ridin' popularity contest about who can get more people to suck their dick. Maybe its just me but if Collin wins either the Davey or Maxwell that makes him the best player in the country :dunno:
But it's telling we can't win a wooden or Heisman with the best player in the country. I mean North Carolina stole one with, "But he justworks so hard, and Beasley may be the best pro, but the hardest worker in CBB is (can't even remember) And we can't pull that same rough ridin' line? I mean come on.
those who loved hansbrough(sp) should abosolutely love Collin. Too bad we don't have all the same voters.
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Part of me want Johnny Fake ID to win the Heisman this year, so every year we can hear about how Heisman Trophy Winner Johnny Fake ID has been arrested yet again for punching people out while spouting off racist slurs because they would let him drink beer as an underaged minor. (my butt hurt is poring out into this thread)
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LOL at the ppl who think Johnny CopCarRider will ever get arrested again while in that horrible state. Kid is untouchable short of killing his coach. And even then, there would be a heated debate amongst the staties on the scene regarding who has been more important to the program this year.
Win the Heisman or no, the kid is more protected than any of Bill Self's fellons could ever hope to be.
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LOL at the ppl who think Johnny CopCarRider will ever get arrested again while in that horrible state. Kid is untouchable short of killing his coach. And even then, there would be a heated debate amongst the staties on the scene regarding who has been more important to the program this year.
Win the Heisman or no, the kid is more protected than any of Bill Self's fellons could ever hope to be.
There are enough longhorn fans as cops in College Station that he will get arrest again. Hell I would not put it past some of them to plant evidence. Just sit back and wait.
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Yeah CNS, if Johnny Football X played for UT (his first choice and life long dream school) I could agree.
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The opinions on the religious implications of this are fascinating to observe on Wabash Station right now. Loads of stuff being discussed that has very little to do with football.
I wonder how many of them will be struggling with the following contrast next year:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi10.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa107%2Fbig12north%2FLife.jpg&hash=24d4e50357301d6af74522062fc2e75b9ccbc09c)
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Is it important for CK to lock up the #2 spot, so when it's pulled from JF later we can hang a banner? I think so.
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Klein will not win the heisman for the same reason that we got screwed out of an at large bid to the BCS last year. Our Athletic Dept. is great an all (I guess) but they are just not ready for the greatness that our student-athletes are putting on the table. It's as if they are shocked when we are a part of the discussion at the big boys table. And then we are behind the 8-ball. Oh well, Collin.... you had a good run. Now lets go get every other QB award but the Heisman.
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So we can blame this on Currie too? I can get behind that
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Mean while, major sour grapes over at the The Oklahoman, The Oklahoman's Heisman Trophy ballots (http://newsok.com/article/3734407#). Check out the comments from the aggies, major butthurt. If Scooby doo doesn't win this thing college station will burn to the ground
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Klein will not win the heisman for the same reason that we got screwed out of an at large bid to the BCS last year. Our Athletic Dept. is great an all (I guess) but they are just not ready for the greatness that our student-athletes are putting on the table. It's as if they are shocked when we are a part of the discussion at the big boys table. And then we are behind the 8-ball. Oh well, Collin.... you had a good run. Now lets go get every other QB award but the Heisman.
Great comparison. Currie even admitted that he was outclassed.
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will any heisman voter south of the maxon dixon line vote for anyone but johnny? the problem with the big 12 (and its media) is that they don't know how to play (and win) "the game". The SEC does.
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will any heisman voter south of the maxon dixon line vote for anyone but johnny? the problem with the big 12 (and its media) is that they don't know how to play (and win) "the game". The SEC does.
Yeah, and the SEC cares way more.
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I will not fault KSUAD on this one. They talked with Baylor on how they ran RGIII's campaign last year. They did a lot of creative things to get attention problem came in that they relied on the media to echo it. If the media is giving news, and they did not report it, did it really happen? Also I don't think Bill help that much. Even after what happened with Sproles in 03 and Bishop in 98, Bill does not start caring about these awards until it is too late. For crying out loud the closest thing Bill has gotten to support Klein for the Heisman is the little thing he said on the award stage after the Texas game.
Frankly the blame is solely on us losing to Baylor and no one else.
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the baylor game was just that much of a crap show
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the baylor game was just that much of a crap show
this. lose by only 7-10 points and Collin still wins the Heisman
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the baylor game was just that much of a crap show
this. lose by only 7-10 points and Collin still wins the Heisman
Still a loss to BAYLOR No Heisman for you.
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Frankly the blame is solely on us losing to Baylor and no one else.
agreed, "storm" nut
we just lost too late in the season.
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Time for the negative campaign.
Johnny Klein Lite
Johnny Man"Needs More Zeal"ziel
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Time for the negative campaign.
Johnny Klein Lite
Johnny Man"Needs More Zeal"ziel
Kind of late for any campaigning since votes were due yesterday.
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Time for the negative campaign.
Johnny Klein Lite
Johnny Man"Needs More Zeal"ziel
Thing is, A&M under KS is built on smoke and mirrors (not Snyder 2.0 ones). For crying out loud he has the media convinced they don't have a play book. :lol: They will fold like a house of cards next year and Johnny Fake ID will be a nobody.
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Time for the negative campaign.
Johnny Klein Lite
Johnny Man"Needs More Zeal"ziel
Kind of late for any campaigning since votes were due yesterday.
:facepalm: Me
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Meh the bad loss. Although RG3 didn’t lose in the month of November, he got beat by A&M 55-28 (that was a 6-6 A&M team) and OSU 59-24 in Oct. I’ll accept the lost late, however, we had a bye week and should have been pushing like crazy the stats about Klein against teams with winning records.
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They showed a pretty neato graphic at the end of the game.
Manzel is 2-2 against BCS AQ teams that are over .500.
Klein is 7-1.
This award is rough ridin' stupid.
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This will be Johno Footballs only opportunity. Remember how many heisman's Tayler Maritinez and Denard Robinson were going to win. crap, I can't even spell their names right much less imagine them winning a heisman this year. People will shut Johnboy down next year.
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Meh the bad loss. Although RG3 didn’t lose in the month of November, he got beat by A&M 55-28 (that was a 6-6 A&M team) and OSU 59-24 in Oct. I’ll accept the lost late, however, we had a bye week and should have been pushing like crazy the stats about Klein against teams with winning records.
the SID was, the media:
:clac:
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will any heisman voter south of the maxon dixon line vote for anyone but johnny? the problem with the big 12 (and its media) is that they don't know how to play (and win) "the game". The SEC does.
Yeah, and the SEC cares way more.
As much as people make fun of the ESSS EEEE CEEE crap (deservedly so imo) it pays off in the BCS and will pay off for Johnny Auschwitz
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They showed a pretty neato graphic at the end of the game.
Manzel is 2-2 against BCS AQ teams that are over .500.
Klein is 7-1.
This award is rough ridin' stupid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Dnl96l2kaBg#t=535s
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I'm not going to be butthurt about Klein not winning, had a shot and blew it. I do enjoy being butthurt about voters that are butthurt though.
http://newsok.com/the-oklahomans-heisman-trophy-ballots/article/3734407?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://newsok.com/the-oklahomans-heisman-trophy-ballots/article/3734407?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
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I'm not going to be butthurt about Klein not winning, had a shot and blew it. I do enjoy being butthurt about voters that are butthurt though.
http://newsok.com/the-oklahomans-heisman-trophy-ballots/article/3734407?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://newsok.com/the-oklahomans-heisman-trophy-ballots/article/3734407?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
thanks for the link bigluke20 :thumbsup:
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I'm not going to be butthurt about Klein not winning, had a shot and blew it. I do enjoy being butthurt about voters that are butthurt though.
http://newsok.com/the-oklahomans-heisman-trophy-ballots/article/3734407?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://newsok.com/the-oklahomans-heisman-trophy-ballots/article/3734407?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
thanks for the link bigluke20 :thumbsup:
:bang: goddammit :lol:
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I'm not going to be butthurt about Klein not winning, had a shot and blew it.
thats how i feel but it sucks. if k-state won their last two games he would be the winner and we would be playing ND but he and the team were horrible at baylor. if johnny football wasnt in the SEC i think klein would still have a chance but oh well.
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i'm pretty butthurt about how much it has to do with the schedule.
keep all game performances constant.... say we switch the ou and baylor game dates, and then a&m has to play LSU and Florida as their last two games..... changes things right? yeah, i'm pretty butthurt about that.
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i'm pretty butthurt about how much it has to do with the schedule.
keep all game performances constant.... say we switch the ou and baylor game dates, and then a&m has to play LSU and Florida as their last two games..... changes things right? yeah, i'm pretty butthurt about that.
If results stayed the same, Klein never would have been a thought but Johnny would have fallen off and we would have been butt hurt about Teo instead.
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yeah, maybe you're right. rough ridin' baylor.
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I'm starting to accept the idea of Teo winning it. At least his team is undefeated and has "MUH NOTRE DAME TRADITION". Manziel is a racist alcoholic that ran up his stats while winning by 4+ TD"s against garbage like Auburn and Missouri, I can't accept horseshit like that.
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Mean while, major sour grapes over at the The Oklahoman, The Oklahoman's Heisman Trophy ballots (http://newsok.com/article/3734407#). Check out the comments from the aggies, major butthurt. If Scooby doo doesn't win this thing college station will burn to the ground
what crybabies, I hope OU beats them by eleventybillion
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I'm starting to accept the idea of Teo winning it. At least his team is undefeated and has "MUH NOTRE DAME TRADITION". Manziel is a racist alcoholic that ran up his stats while winning by 4+ TD"s against garbage like Auburn and Missouri, I can't accept horseshit like that.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing Teo win it, but Manziel just gets on my nerves.
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I'm starting to accept the idea of Teo winning it. At least his team is undefeated and has "MUH NOTRE DAME TRADITION". Manziel is a racist alcoholic that ran up his stats while winning by 4+ TD"s against garbage like Auburn and Missouri, I can't accept horseshit like that.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing Teo win it, but Manziel just gets on my nerves.
I'm with you. Teo or Optimus, they've both paid their dues, senior leadership, stand up dudes, yadda yadda yadda. Johnny just seems like a punk, tweeting that he is wearing scooby socks to the ceremony before the finalists are even announced, yeah he needs punched in the face
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I'm starting to accept the idea of Teo winning it. At least his team is undefeated and has "MUH NOTRE DAME TRADITION". Manziel is a racist alcoholic that ran up his stats while winning by 4+ TD"s against garbage like Auburn and Missouri, I can't accept horseshit like that.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing Teo win it, but Manziel just gets on my nerves.
I'm with you. Teo or Optimus, they've both paid their dues, senior leadership, stand up dudes, yadda yadda yadda. Johnny just seems like a punk, tweeting that he is wearing scooby socks to the ceremony before the finalists are even announced, yeah he needs punched in the face
I didn't see that tweet, but it just makes me want to punch him and everyone who voted for him right in the face.
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I'm not going to be butthurt about Klein not winning, had a shot and blew it.
thats how i feel but it sucks. if k-state won their last two games he would be the winner and we would be playing ND but he and the team were horrible at baylor. if johnny football wasnt in the SEC i think klein would still have a chance but oh well.
That's a very dumb take. So now we're adding undefeated to the criteria and you dipshits are buying it from the media hook, line & sinker. Most people that say this is going to vote for someone who lost twice. Being undefeated certainly wasn't the criteria when Bishop finished 2nd.
Out of the last 20 Heisman winning QBs, going all the way back to Gary Beban in 1967, only 6 of them finished undefeated. Many of those; Tebow, White, Couch, Weinke, Wuerffel, etc. lost at least one of the last three games before the ballots were due.
I have to hear this stupid rough ridin' talking point from many in the national media too lazy and stupid to think for themselves. I refuse to hear it here. Klein isn't going to lose the Heisman because he lost to Baylor. He is going to lose it because he plays for Kansas State and the ESPN hype machine made it clear from the start that if Klein lost he would not win the Heisman and everyone else blindly followed. In addition to this Johnny Hatecrime beat Alabama giving these same idiots a clean excuse for ignorance.
I'm perfectly okay with people who had Manziel #1 on their ballot before November 17th.
Feel free to share my research and common sense with other idiots who care to use this dumb ass point.
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Can't we close this thread? It's depressing.
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Can't we close this thread? It's depressing.
Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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Can't we close this thread? It's depressing.
Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
It was over when we dropped the bomb on Hong Kong :kstatriot:
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Can't we close this thread? It's depressing.
Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
It was over when we dropped the bomb on Hong Kong :kstatriot:
Forget it. He's rolling.
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I'm not going to be butthurt about Klein not winning, had a shot and blew it.
thats how i feel but it sucks. if k-state won their last two games he would be the winner and we would be playing ND but he and the team were horrible at baylor. if johnny football wasnt in the SEC i think klein would still have a chance but oh well.
That's a very dumb take. So now we're adding undefeated to the criteria and you dipshits are buying it from the media hook, line & sinker. Most people that say this is going to vote for someone who lost twice. Being undefeated certainly wasn't the criteria when Bishop finished 2nd.
Out of the last 20 Heisman winning QBs, going all the way back to Gary Beban in 1967, only 6 of them finished undefeated. Many of those; Tebow, White, Couch, Weinke, Wuerffel, etc. lost at least one of the last three games before the ballots were due.
I have to hear this stupid rough ridin' talking point from many in the national media too lazy and stupid to think for themselves. I refuse to hear it here. Klein isn't going to lose the Heisman because he lost to Baylor. He is going to lose it because he plays for Kansas State and the ESPN hype machine made it clear from the start that if Klein lost he would not win the Heisman and everyone else blindly followed. In addition to this Johnny Hatecrime beat Alabama giving these same idiots a clean excuse for ignorance.
I'm perfectly okay with people who had Manziel #1 on their ballot before November 17th.
Feel free to share my research and common sense with other idiots who care to use this dumb ass point.
The fact that we're K-State has little to nothing to do with it. We didn't just lose against Baylor, Klein played like absolute dogshit, but doesn't have gaudy stats to overcome it like many of the people you listed did.
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I'm not going to be butthurt about Klein not winning, had a shot and blew it.
thats how i feel but it sucks. if k-state won their last two games he would be the winner and we would be playing ND but he and the team were horrible at baylor. if johnny football wasnt in the SEC i think klein would still have a chance but oh well.
That's a very dumb take. So now we're adding undefeated to the criteria and you dipshits are buying it from the media hook, line & sinker. Most people that say this is going to vote for someone who lost twice. Being undefeated certainly wasn't the criteria when Bishop finished 2nd.
Out of the last 20 Heisman winning QBs, going all the way back to Gary Beban in 1967, only 6 of them finished undefeated. Many of those; Tebow, White, Couch, Weinke, Wuerffel, etc. lost at least one of the last three games before the ballots were due.
I have to hear this stupid rough ridin' talking point from many in the national media too lazy and stupid to think for themselves. I refuse to hear it here. Klein isn't going to lose the Heisman because he lost to Baylor. He is going to lose it because he plays for Kansas State and the ESPN hype machine made it clear from the start that if Klein lost he would not win the Heisman and everyone else blindly followed. In addition to this Johnny Hatecrime beat Alabama giving these same idiots a clean excuse for ignorance.
I'm perfectly okay with people who had Manziel #1 on their ballot before November 17th.
Feel free to share my research and common sense with other idiots who care to use this dumb ass point.
The fact that we're K-State has little to nothing to do with it. We didn't just lose against Baylor, Klein played like absolute dogshit, but doesn't have gaudy stats to overcome it like many of the people you listed did.
tv wants ratings (advertising dollars), people want to watch something exciting or controversial, no one wants to watch efficiency. Johnny running around like a chicken with his head cutoff playing backyard ball is far more watchable than Klein's patience running and selective passing.
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I'm not going to be butthurt about Klein not winning, had a shot and blew it.
thats how i feel but it sucks. if k-state won their last two games he would be the winner and we would be playing ND but he and the team were horrible at baylor. if johnny football wasnt in the SEC i think klein would still have a chance but oh well.
That's a very dumb take. So now we're adding undefeated to the criteria and you dipshits are buying it from the media hook, line & sinker. Most people that say this is going to vote for someone who lost twice. Being undefeated certainly wasn't the criteria when Bishop finished 2nd.
Out of the last 20 Heisman winning QBs, going all the way back to Gary Beban in 1967, only 6 of them finished undefeated. Many of those; Tebow, White, Couch, Weinke, Wuerffel, etc. lost at least one of the last three games before the ballots were due.
I have to hear this stupid rough ridin' talking point from many in the national media too lazy and stupid to think for themselves. I refuse to hear it here. Klein isn't going to lose the Heisman because he lost to Baylor. He is going to lose it because he plays for Kansas State and the ESPN hype machine made it clear from the start that if Klein lost he would not win the Heisman and everyone else blindly followed. In addition to this Johnny Hatecrime beat Alabama giving these same idiots a clean excuse for ignorance.
I'm perfectly okay with people who had Manziel #1 on their ballot before November 17th.
Feel free to share my research and common sense with other idiots who care to use this dumb ass point.
The fact that we're K-State has little to nothing to do with it. We didn't just lose against Baylor, Klein played like absolute dogshit, but doesn't have gaudy stats to overcome it like many of the people you listed did.
tv wants ratings (advertising dollars), people want to watch something exciting or controversial, no one wants to watch efficiency. Johnny running around like a chicken with his head cutoff playing backyard ball is far more watchable than Klein's patience running and selective passing.
That's fair, but Manziel has much better raw stats (and is comparably efficient). The only rational argument for Klein over Manziel is the performance vs. winning teams, but Heisman voters will never go into that much detail, and even then it's a bit of a stretch.
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Manziel is comparable in efficiency from a statistical point. He has more "spectacular" plays. Charles Davis said is best by explaining that Collin is so proficient that his highlight plays just looked "run of the mill" for him. Manziel is more drastic in his playing style. Collin's only drastic play was against Baylor, but it was drastic in the wrong direction.
I agree regarding the voters. K-State could have sent out a statistical analysis and 90% of the voters would have thrown it away.
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I'm not going to be butthurt about Klein not winning, had a shot and blew it.
thats how i feel but it sucks. if k-state won their last two games he would be the winner and we would be playing ND but he and the team were horrible at baylor. if johnny football wasnt in the SEC i think klein would still have a chance but oh well.
That's a very dumb take. So now we're adding undefeated to the criteria and you dipshits are buying it from the media hook, line & sinker. Most people that say this is going to vote for someone who lost twice. Being undefeated certainly wasn't the criteria when Bishop finished 2nd.
Out of the last 20 Heisman winning QBs, going all the way back to Gary Beban in 1967, only 6 of them finished undefeated. Many of those; Tebow, White, Couch, Weinke, Wuerffel, etc. lost at least one of the last three games before the ballots were due.
I have to hear this stupid rough ridin' talking point from many in the national media too lazy and stupid to think for themselves. I refuse to hear it here. Klein isn't going to lose the Heisman because he lost to Baylor. He is going to lose it because he plays for Kansas State and the ESPN hype machine made it clear from the start that if Klein lost he would not win the Heisman and everyone else blindly followed. In addition to this Johnny Hatecrime beat Alabama giving these same idiots a clean excuse for ignorance.
I'm perfectly okay with people who had Manziel #1 on their ballot before November 17th.
Feel free to share my research and common sense with other idiots who care to use this dumb ass point.
The fact that we're K-State has little to nothing to do with it. We didn't just lose against Baylor, Klein played like absolute dogshit, but doesn't have gaudy stats to overcome it like many of the people you listed did.
That isn't true at all, like at all.
There were many prominent national media figures that said every single week "It's Klein's to win as long as K-State continues to win." We heard that week, after week, after week. It's obvious that Heisman voters listen to the same shows we do and use it to sway their voting. Fact is that statistically Klein had a better game against Baylor than he did TCU. That TCU game was the same week that A&M beat Alabama. If it had anything to do with stats, Klein would have lost his lead that week and maybe a little more against Baylor, but that isn't what happened.
As far as how Klein's numbers stack up historically, there have been some amazing seasons, but there are three QBs that have similar numbers to Klein, if not worse.
Collin Klein 2012- 2490 passing yards, 15 TDs, 7 INT, 156.1 rating, 890 rushing YDs, 22 rushing TDs
Troy Smith 2006- 2542 passing yards, 30 TDs, 6 INT, 161.9 rating, 204 rushing YDs, 1 rushing TDs
Matt Leinart 2004-3322 passing yards, 33 TDs, 6 INT, 156.5 rating, -44 rushing YDs, 0 rushing TDs
Eric Crouch 2001- 1510 passing yards, 7 TDs, 10 INT, 124.3 rating, 1115 rushing YDs, 18 rushing TDs
There are several other Heisman Winners that have similar if not worse numbers than Klein but I didn't want to waste the time to type them out, you can find them here.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/awards/heisman.html (http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/awards/heisman.html)
I was most surprised by Charlie Ward and Vinnie Testaverde. I remember Ward being this deadly dual threat, his rushing numbers are :zzz: by today's standards. Vinnie only had 276 attempts.
Klein was done in not by an anti-KSU bias per se, but by many members of the national media still refuse to believe that we are significant. I mean there are people that don't think this team is a top 10 team. It is not tuckish or K-StateO to admit to obvious things right in front of your face.
BTW there's more of my research any of you can have to shoot holes in dumb talking points. The only acceptable answer for voting for Manziel is that he has great numbers and have had them all year. Like I said before I'm cool with anyone who had Manziel #1 before KSU lost to Baylor. Of course then I would continue to mock them for letting people tell them how to use their vote because they don't have Tajh Boyd in their top three who also has great dual threat stats.
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goddamnit, MIR needs a rough ridin' Heisman Ballot.
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Great point on Tajh Boyd.
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I'm not going to be butthurt about Klein not winning, had a shot and blew it.
thats how i feel but it sucks. if k-state won their last two games he would be the winner and we would be playing ND but he and the team were horrible at baylor. if johnny football wasnt in the SEC i think klein would still have a chance but oh well.
That's a very dumb take. So now we're adding undefeated to the criteria and you dipshits are buying it from the media hook, line & sinker. Most people that say this is going to vote for someone who lost twice. Being undefeated certainly wasn't the criteria when Bishop finished 2nd.
Out of the last 20 Heisman winning QBs, going all the way back to Gary Beban in 1967, only 6 of them finished undefeated. Many of those; Tebow, White, Couch, Weinke, Wuerffel, etc. lost at least one of the last three games before the ballots were due.
I have to hear this stupid rough ridin' talking point from many in the national media too lazy and stupid to think for themselves. I refuse to hear it here. Klein isn't going to lose the Heisman because he lost to Baylor. He is going to lose it because he plays for Kansas State and the ESPN hype machine made it clear from the start that if Klein lost he would not win the Heisman and everyone else blindly followed. In addition to this Johnny Hatecrime beat Alabama giving these same idiots a clean excuse for ignorance.
I'm perfectly okay with people who had Manziel #1 on their ballot before November 17th.
Feel free to share my research and common sense with other idiots who care to use this dumb ass point.
The fact that we're K-State has little to nothing to do with it. We didn't just lose against Baylor, Klein played like absolute dogshit, but doesn't have gaudy stats to overcome it like many of the people you listed did.
That isn't true at all, like at all.
There were many prominent national media figures that said every single week "It's Klein's to win as long as K-State continues to win." We heard that week, after week, after week. It's obvious that Heisman voters listen to the same shows we do and use it to sway their voting. Fact is that statistically Klein had a better game against Baylor than he did TCU. That TCU game was the same week that A&M beat Alabama. If it had anything to do with stats, Klein would have lost his lead that week and maybe a little more against Baylor, but that isn't what happened.
As far as how Klein's numbers stack up historically, there have been some amazing seasons, but there are three QBs that have similar numbers to Klein, if not worse.
Collin Klein 2012- 2490 passing yards, 15 TDs, 7 INT, 156.1 rating, 890 rushing YDs, 22 rushing TDs
Troy Smith 2006- 2542 passing yards, 30 TDs, 6 INT, 161.9 rating, 204 rushing YDs, 1 rushing TDs
Matt Leinart 2004-3322 passing yards, 33 TDs, 6 INT, 156.5 rating, -44 rushing YDs, 0 rushing TDs
Eric Crouch 2001- 1510 passing yards, 7 TDs, 10 INT, 124.3 rating, 1115 rushing YDs, 18 rushing TDs
There are several other Heisman Winners that have similar if not worse numbers than Klein but I didn't want to waste the time to type them out, you can find them here.
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/awards/heisman.html (http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/awards/heisman.html)
I was most surprised by Charlie Ward and Vinnie Testaverde. I remember Ward being this deadly dual threat, his rushing numbers are :zzz: by today's standards. Vinnie only had 276 attempts.
Klein was done in not by an anti-KSU bias per se, but by many members of the national media still refuse to believe that we are significant. I mean there are people that don't think this team is a top 10 team. It is not tuckish or K-StateO to admit to obvious things right in front of your face.
BTW there's more of my research any of you can have to shoot holes in dumb talking points. The only acceptable answer for voting for Manziel is that he has great numbers and have had them all year. Like I said before I'm cool with anyone who had Manziel #1 before KSU lost to Baylor. Of course then I would continue to mock them for letting people tell them how to use their vote because they don't have Tajh Boyd in their top three who also has great dual threat stats.
That's great research that doesn't contradict anything I said. It also doesn't present an argument in favor of Klein over Manziel. But it's still great, you did a very nice job.
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goddamnit, MIR needs a rough ridin' Heisman Ballot.
He needs a "Heisman Voters Only" website to educate them.
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That's great research that doesn't contradict anything I said. It also doesn't present an argument in favor of Klein over Manziel. But it's still great, you did a very nice job.
I never attempted to present Klein over Manziel, I am pissed about people who changed their vote after he had a game in which he threw three touchdown passes. I'm pissed because for two decades the narrative for how you should vote has changed from season to season sometimes within the season based on who ESPN wants to push. If Collin Klein was #1 on your ballot on November 18th, he should have stayed there. I'm not sure how I would have voted if I was a media member, I'm biased. I know for a fact that I wouldn't have had any combination of Teo, Manziel, and Klein in my top three. I also know that Bishop would have been 1 in 1998 and Sproles would have been 1 in 2003. If either of them would have won, I would be less pissed about getting robbed again and I would be more likely in this thread to say my 2012 vote would have been for Boyd, Marcus Mariota, Jarvis Jones, Jdaveon Clowney, Jordan Lynch, or Terrance Williams.
The people I'm railing against are the same people who would vote for Marquise Lee but don't know who Williams is.
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MIR's really knocked this thread out of the mother rough ridin' park.
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MIR's really knocked this thread out of the mother rough ridin' park.
Inglorious bastards was my first thought.
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My old man opinion: Its more about highlight plays and youtube videos anymore than actual substance. People see highlights of Manziel beating 'Bama or making a ridiculous play. ESPN doesn't show his 3 pick games (they do show Klein's because we were #1). Nobody watches a full K-state game to see Klein grind down a defense, taking shots left and right. I doubt most voters have seen a full game of Manziel's or Klein's, so this is what we get.
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That's great research that doesn't contradict anything I said. It also doesn't present an argument in favor of Klein over Manziel. But it's still great, you did a very nice job.
I never attempted to present Klein over Manziel, I am pissed about people who changed their vote after he had a game in which he threw three touchdown passes. I'm pissed because for two decades the narrative for how you should vote has changed from season to season sometimes within the season based on who ESPN wants to push. If Collin Klein was #1 on your ballot on November 18th, he should have stayed there. I'm not sure how I would have voted if I was a media member, I'm biased. I know for a fact that I wouldn't have had any combination of Teo, Manziel, and Klein in my top three. I also know that Bishop would have been 1 in 1998 and Sproles would have been 1 in 2003. If either of them would have won, I would be less pissed about getting robbed again and I would be more likely in this thread to say my 2012 vote would have been for Boyd, Marcus Mariota, Jarvis Jones, Jdaveon Clowney, Jordan Lynch, or Terrance Williams.
The people I'm railing against are the same people who would vote for Marquise Lee but don't know who Williams is.
I don't have any issue with any that once you're past your KSU tiny pee-pee syndrome. I mean, it isn't like the people you listed all came from schools that the media hates or isn't sexy or whatever the reason people think the media hates KSU, (yes, I know some did).
You're right that the Heisman is an annual groupthink bonanza, and Manziel just had a perfect groupthink storm this year.
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I'm okay with Manziel winning the Heisman because it is absolutely about how the media portrays it. Your team's success has just as much to do with your abilities, wins at the end of the year matter more, etc. But Klein should be 1st team All-American QB. I will stand by that.
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That's great research that doesn't contradict anything I said. It also doesn't present an argument in favor of Klein over Manziel. But it's still great, you did a very nice job.
I never attempted to present Klein over Manziel, I am pissed about people who changed their vote after he had a game in which he threw three touchdown passes. I'm pissed because for two decades the narrative for how you should vote has changed from season to season sometimes within the season based on who ESPN wants to push. If Collin Klein was #1 on your ballot on November 18th, he should have stayed there. I'm not sure how I would have voted if I was a media member, I'm biased. I know for a fact that I wouldn't have had any combination of Teo, Manziel, and Klein in my top three. I also know that Bishop would have been 1 in 1998 and Sproles would have been 1 in 2003. If either of them would have won, I would be less pissed about getting robbed again and I would be more likely in this thread to say my 2012 vote would have been for Boyd, Marcus Mariota, Jarvis Jones, Jdaveon Clowney, Jordan Lynch, or Terrance Williams.
The people I'm railing against are the same people who would vote for Marquise Lee but don't know who Williams is.
I don't have any issue with any that once you're past your KSU tiny pee-pee syndrome. I mean, it isn't like the people you listed all came from schools that the media hates or isn't sexy or whatever the reason people think the media hates KSU, (yes, I know some did).
You're right that the Heisman is an annual groupthink bonanza, and Manziel just had a perfect groupthink storm this year.
When did I say anything about the media hating KSU? Klein can be hurt by being from KSU without anyone hating KSU. Marquis Lee is going to finish 4th and its simply because he goes to USC. He's having a great season but it isn't exceptional this year or any other. Do you think you'll look less credible in the eyes of whoknowswho if you acknowledge that Klein was somewhat hurt by the fact he is the starting quarterback at Kansas State University? If you're not a member of one of the chosen programs or the chosen conference you have to have better everything than one in the protected class.
College football never has been and never will be a meritocracy. Not acknowledging that is trying too hard to be edgy.
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wins at the end of the year matter more, etc
sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, depends on what ESPN wants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Oklahoma_Sooners_football_team#2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Nebraska_Cornhuskers_football_team
blown the eff out
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When did I say anything about the media hating KSU?
Klein isn't going to lose the Heisman because he lost to Baylor. He is going to lose it because he plays for Kansas State
:dunno:
When did I say anything about the media hating KSU? Klein can be hurt by being from KSU without anyone hating KSU. Marquis Lee is going to finish 4th and its simply because he goes to USC. He's having a great season but it isn't exceptional this year or any other. Do you think you'll look less credible in the eyes of whoknowswho if you acknowledge that Klein was somewhat hurt by the fact he is the starting quarterback at Kansas State University? If you're not a member of one of the chosen programs or the chosen conference you have to have better everything than one in the protected class.
Jesus Christ you may have a point if we were talking about that Alabama QB that cried winning it, but we're talking about a school that hasn't done anything significant in recent memory and had their only Heisman winner in 1957. Manziel is not part of the "protected class" at all. He just had a perfect storm of highlights, crazy stats, and a crazy win. Yes, Klein may have stats comparable to Eric Crouch or whatever 90's stats you want to pull, but Eric Crouch wasn't up against someone like Manziel.
Sure, playing for Kansas State may have cost Klein a few votes, but it's not why he lost the Heisman. Sorry if that's too edgy for you.
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Manziel is a freshman idiots. If he won the heisman, it would be unprecedented.
It's Mantis Teo's dead grandma that's the biggest cause for concern.
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Manziel is a freshman idiots. If he won the heisman, it would be unprecedented.
It's Mantis Teo's dead grandma that's the biggest cause for concern.
manziel is going to win, dumbass
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When did I say anything about the media hating KSU?
Klein isn't going to lose the Heisman because he lost to Baylor. He is going to lose it because he plays for Kansas State
:dunno:
When did I say anything about the media hating KSU? Klein can be hurt by being from KSU without anyone hating KSU. Marquis Lee is going to finish 4th and its simply because he goes to USC. He's having a great season but it isn't exceptional this year or any other. Do you think you'll look less credible in the eyes of whoknowswho if you acknowledge that Klein was somewhat hurt by the fact he is the starting quarterback at Kansas State University? If you're not a member of one of the chosen programs or the chosen conference you have to have better everything than one in the protected class.
Jesus Christ you may have a point if we were talking about that Alabama QB that cried winning it, but we're talking about a school that hasn't done anything significant in recent memory and had their only Heisman winner in 1957. Manziel is not part of the "protected class" at all. He just had a perfect storm of highlights, crazy stats, and a crazy win. Yes, Klein may have stats comparable to Eric Crouch or whatever 90's stats you want to pull, but Eric Crouch wasn't up against someone like Manziel.
Sure, playing for Kansas State may have cost Klein a few votes, but it's not why he lost the Heisman. Sorry if that's too edgy for you.
Rusty, what kind of inside info. do you have; I thought the Heisman presentation is this Thursday. :dunno:
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When did I say anything about the media hating KSU?
Klein isn't going to lose the Heisman because he lost to Baylor. He is going to lose it because he plays for Kansas State
:dunno:
When did I say anything about the media hating KSU? Klein can be hurt by being from KSU without anyone hating KSU. Marquis Lee is going to finish 4th and its simply because he goes to USC. He's having a great season but it isn't exceptional this year or any other. Do you think you'll look less credible in the eyes of whoknowswho if you acknowledge that Klein was somewhat hurt by the fact he is the starting quarterback at Kansas State University? If you're not a member of one of the chosen programs or the chosen conference you have to have better everything than one in the protected class.
Jesus Christ you may have a point if we were talking about that Alabama QB that cried winning it, but we're talking about a school that hasn't done anything significant in recent memory and had their only Heisman winner in 1957. Manziel is not part of the "protected class" at all. He just had a perfect storm of highlights, crazy stats, and a crazy win. Yes, Klein may have stats comparable to Eric Crouch or whatever 90's stats you want to pull, but Eric Crouch wasn't up against someone like Manziel.
Sure, playing for Kansas State may have cost Klein a few votes, but it's not why he lost the Heisman. Sorry if that's too edgy for you.
SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC
Manziel wasn't crap until he beat Alabama. Why did no on talk about Nick Florence or Terrance Williams after they beat #1?
Sure, playing for Kansas State may have cost Klein a few votes, but it's not why he lost the Heisman. Sorry if that's too edgy for you.
Rusty, what kind of inside info. do you have; I thought the Heisman presentation is this Thursday. :dunno:
LOL, Katdaddy post
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Manziel is a freshman idiots. If he won the heisman, it would be unprecedented.
It's Mantis Teo's dead grandma that's the biggest cause for concern.
manziel is going to win, dumbass
Would be a complete joke. Given the current state of our society, I would not be surprised at all.
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Would be a complete joke. Given the current state of our society, I would not be surprised at all.
The absolute best, you just keep being you FSD. I'm going back to the pit now that I know you're back :emawkid:
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Would be a complete joke. Given the current state of our society, I would not be surprised at all.
The absolute best, you just keep being you FSD. I'm going back to the pit now that I know you're back :emawkid:
Stop following me around the interwebs, toolshed
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Does ck win with his numbers if at USC?
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When did I say anything about the media hating KSU?
Klein isn't going to lose the Heisman because he lost to Baylor. He is going to lose it because he plays for Kansas State
:dunno:
When did I say anything about the media hating KSU? Klein can be hurt by being from KSU without anyone hating KSU. Marquis Lee is going to finish 4th and its simply because he goes to USC. He's having a great season but it isn't exceptional this year or any other. Do you think you'll look less credible in the eyes of whoknowswho if you acknowledge that Klein was somewhat hurt by the fact he is the starting quarterback at Kansas State University? If you're not a member of one of the chosen programs or the chosen conference you have to have better everything than one in the protected class.
Jesus Christ you may have a point if we were talking about that Alabama QB that cried winning it, but we're talking about a school that hasn't done anything significant in recent memory and had their only Heisman winner in 1957. Manziel is not part of the "protected class" at all. He just had a perfect storm of highlights, crazy stats, and a crazy win. Yes, Klein may have stats comparable to Eric Crouch or whatever 90's stats you want to pull, but Eric Crouch wasn't up against someone like Manziel.
Sure, playing for Kansas State may have cost Klein a few votes, but it's not why he lost the Heisman. Sorry if that's too edgy for you.
SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC SEC
Manziel wasn't crap until he beat Alabama. Why did no on talk about Nick Florence or Terrance Williams after they beat #1?
Because they play for Baylor, duh. Like someone that far from football's "protected class" would ever be considered. :lol:
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If K-State traded Klein for Johnny we probably only win 7 games this year, that is the sad part of this strange arm award. Also aTm would probably of won at least one more game this year.
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But a year after a Bear won the Hypesman they have two players with Hypesman like numbers and they won't get one damn point between the two of them, weird.
You win MIcat, there is no such thing as media bias. I thought I made it clear from the start that group think not media bias is the prevalent flaw in Hypesman voting, and media bias is a secondary flaw. I was wrong, media bias doesn't exist at all, not on a regional basis & not on a national basis. I've seen the light.
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no one deserves the heisman this year. they should bank it and give out two in a year when two are merited.
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This season is no different than any other recently minus Cameron Jerrell Newton.
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But a year after a Bear won the Hypesman they have two players with Hypesman like numbers and they won't get one damn point between the two of them, weird.
You win MIcat, there is no such thing as media bias. I thought I made it clear from the start that group think not media bias is the prevalent flaw in Hypesman voting, and media bias is a secondary flaw. I was wrong, media bias doesn't exist at all, not on a regional basis & not on a national basis. I've seen the light.
Ha, ha what a stupid straw man, considering I already acknowledged bias exists.
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This season is no different than any other recently minus Cameron Jerrell Newton.
just keep banking them until they're earned.
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Well then what the hell are we arguing about? I made it clear that Klein isn't going to lose because of media bias, its a combination of the following in this order:
1. Groupthink
2. Media bias
3. His numbers
My point of all of this was to shoot down two theories. His "bad" game against Baylor when his threw three TD 3s cost him the award and that he doesn't have Heisman like numbers.
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Well then what the hell are we arguing about? I made it clear that Klein isn't going to lose because of media bias, its a combination of the following in this order:
1. Groupthink
2. Media bias
3. His numbers
My point of all of this was to shoot down two theories. His "bad" game against Baylor when his threw three TD 3s cost him the award and that he doesn't have Heisman like numbers.
I think a lot pollster problems come from a lack of understanding football, for god stakes K-State preseason Big 12 ranking was 6th.
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I would put his numbers at one or two, and I think group think is actually helping him. Like you said, Manziel should have passed Klein after the tcu game, but groupthink let Klein hang on longer than he maybe should have. And despite a couple subpar games, groupthink is keeping Colin ahead of many of the guys you mentioned with superior stats.
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I agree with that, I never said he should win. I would take it a step farther and say that Manziel could be eliminated for the same reasons that Klein would be, he doesn't have the best numbers either. However, if I were given a ballot with these three names on it though I'd vote for Klein.
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I would put his numbers at one or two, and I think group think is actually helping him. Like you said, Manziel should have passed Klein after the tcu game, but groupthink let Klein hang on longer than he maybe should have. And despite a couple subpar games, groupthink is keeping Colin ahead of many of the guys you mentioned with superior stats.
you have no idea what group think is.
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It may be a bit different this year because the field isn't as deep, but IMO the reactionary nature of the Heisman isn't a lot different than many other years. Not really different than most other national awards really in many ways the Heisman is just more strange because of the large group of voters that come from broad backgrounds. We're just closer to the Heisman stuff this year because we have a player in the discussion and a finalist.
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Man, the Heisman would have been nice. You have to admit.
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Seems like if you wanted to get really butthurt over a KSU KITN, this would be the thing to be butthurt over.
There's never been a freshman winner and only one defensive player nearly 20 years ago in the history of the award. Yet one of those two guys is going to get it over Klein.
Of course I save my butthurt for where it matters: John Currie killing men's bb.
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A frosh or a LB winning is historic, so look at it this way...it's taking a historic Heisman year for Collin to not win. Same thing for Bishop in '98. Only reason he didn't win is because Ricky Williams. '03 is the one that grinds my gears, Sproles. Jason fricking the hobbit two bad knees gets rolled by K-State white, and chris perry finished ahead of him, ridiculous.
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Do you know if they give out third place Heisman Trophy's/certificates of participation/banners? Need to know for Trophy master thread.
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Do you know if they give out third place Heisman Trophy's/certificates of participation/banners? Need to know for Trophy master thread.
yes. its called they buy you plane tickets to NYC
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Klein would have the Heisman if we played one of our first games on a baseball field again.
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I really do wonder just what exactly the people who have ballots are supposed to use as their criteria. Everyone keeps pointing to McLovin's numbers. Okay, let's explore that. So, we'll operate on the assumption that stats are really important. Okay, by that argument, any QB in a high tempo throw first spread offense already has a leg up. The SEC is basically already eliminated because that's not the way they play. You'd pretty much be forced to give the trophy to any QB coached by Mike Leach who is more likely pass on 4th and inches than he is to run it.
Okay, well we definitely don't want that, so let's move back towards that most valuable player to his team thought. Is Johnny Hates Jews the most valuable most valuable player to his team? I dunno...maybe its easier to forget the early games in the season, maybe those games don't matter, but having had watched both of those games (well before CK was really a contender b/c at the time Geno wasn't in perpetual frown mode) i really thought Johnny No Blacks made plenty of mistakes in both the Florida and LSU games that led to those losses...including pivotal game changing INTs against LSU that directly lead to LSU putting points on the board.
i guess my point is there is no point. there is no hard and fast guidelines just like there is no smoking gun to say this is why you win or lose the heisman because there will always be exceptions for both the current candidates and previous winners. Bottom line CK will almost assuredly be left out from an award he very richly deserves, but to try to make sense of it is kind of pointless.
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Klein would have the Heisman if we played one of our first games on a baseball field again.
He didn't wear those arm tights in the last game so that his elbows would be exposed and blood could spill everywhere. Don't let him fool you, he wanted that Heisman.
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Man, the Heisman would have been nice. You have to admit.
I'd rather Klein win the Heisman than State win the Fiesta. Nobody GAS about bowl wins, just appearances (outside the NC obvz). Heisman is cremdelacrem of individual awards that can be show boated forever.
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Klein would have the Heisman if we played one of our first games on a baseball field again.
He didn't wear those arm tights in the last game so that his elbows would be exposed and blood could spill everywhere. Don't let him fool you, he wanted that Heisman.
Ya but scabby elbows bleed much better than fresh "thin skin."
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Man, the Heisman would have been nice. You have to admit.
I'd rather Klein win the Heisman than State win the Fiesta. Nobody GAS about bowl wins, just appearances (outside the NC obvz). Heisman is cremdelacrem of individual awards that can be show boated forever.
I agree 100%.
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If I had to choose, I'd rather have the Heisman. But I have to admit this is the first time I've cared about winning a bowl game. Mostly because I think it would have a long term effect on how people view our program if we could beat a flashy team like Oregon.
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Hubert was 1st team All Big 12 with Randle, which surprised me. Brown, Williams, Zimmerman, Tannehill and Lucas were 1st team as well.
Cantele, Harper, Davis, and Lutui were 2nd team.
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It may be a bit different this year because the field isn't as deep, but IMO the reactionary nature of the Heisman isn't a lot different than many other years. Not really different than most other national awards really in many ways the Heisman is just more strange because of the large group of voters that come from broad backgrounds. We're just closer to the Heisman stuff this year because we have a player in the discussion and a finalist.
The Heisman has been a joke since ESPN heavily invested in it about 15-20 years ago and devoted significant air time telling people who to vote for. Its an award that is predicated on hype and generating ratings and ad revenue. Its literally the only sporting award in the entire world that uses television ratings as a measuring stick.
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Hubert was 1st team All Big 12 with Randle, which surprised me. Brown, Williams, Zimmerman, Tannehill and Lucas were 1st team as well.
Cantele, Harper, Davis, and Lutui were 2nd team.
link? Harper 2nd team, damn.
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Hubert was 1st team All Big 12 with Randle, which surprised me. Brown, Williams, Zimmerman, Tannehill and Lucas were 1st team as well.
Cantele, Harper, Davis, and Lutui were 2nd team.
link? Harper 2nd team, damn.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205820514&DB_OEM_ID=10410
Harper 2nd team is amazing considering the numbers of the 3 guys who made the 1st team
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Hubert was 1st team All Big 12 with Randle, which surprised me. Brown, Williams, Zimmerman, Tannehill and Lucas were 1st team as well.
Cantele, Harper, Davis, and Lutui were 2nd team.
link? Harper 2nd team, damn.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205820514&DB_OEM_ID=10410
Harper 2nd team is amazing considering the numbers of the 3 guys who made the 1st team
yeah, it was more of a "damn" at how good those guys were.
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we also didn't have a first or second team PR/KR.
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Weird. Meant to post it in the Awards thread. My bad.
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Funny how Johnny Fake ID gets SEC player of the year and ESPN splashes it on there website. Big 12 players of the year have yet to be put up. (butt hurt post)
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I'm pretty butt-hurt about all of this.
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As fans, we'll need to continue to find ways to keep the chip on our shoulder. This is great for that.
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Lol at all you negative nancys. It's between Klien and Te'o. This thing is in the bag.
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As fans, we'll need to continue to find ways to keep the chip on our shoulder. This is great for that.
Is it? I see pros and cons. Usually depending on who I feel like arguing with.
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Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
Updated Heisman odds from @DannySheridan1: Johnny Manziel 1:10, Manti Te'o 3:1, Collin Klein 100:1
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As fans, we'll need to continue to find ways to keep the chip on our shoulder. This is great for that.
Is it? I see pros and cons. Usually depending on who I feel like arguing with.
I don't love having a chip, I'd rather be arrogant.
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It may be a bit different this year because the field isn't as deep, but IMO the reactionary nature of the Heisman isn't a lot different than many other years. Not really different than most other national awards really in many ways the Heisman is just more strange because of the large group of voters that come from broad backgrounds. We're just closer to the Heisman stuff this year because we have a player in the discussion and a finalist.
The Heisman has been a joke since ESPN heavily invested in it about 15-20 years ago and devoted significant air time telling people who to vote for. Its an award that is predicated on hype and generating ratings and ad revenue. Its literally the only sporting award in the entire world that uses television ratings as a measuring stick.
In many ways the Heisman has always been a flawed award. There really aren't any specific criteria and it has a strange voting base. Before ESPN decided to promote it (and players for it) it was just as flawed because the voting was even more regional. Go back even further when their were limited TV games, and voters simply didn't have much to go on besides stats and 2nd hand information from other voters or media.
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As fans, we'll need to continue to find ways to keep the chip on our shoulder. This is great for that.
Is it? I see pros and cons. Usually depending on who I feel like arguing with.
I don't love having a chip, I'd rather be arrogant.
yeah, if we could transition the energy from the chip on our shoulder into irrational cockyness energy, I'd be very pleased.
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It may be a bit different this year because the field isn't as deep, but IMO the reactionary nature of the Heisman isn't a lot different than many other years. Not really different than most other national awards really in many ways the Heisman is just more strange because of the large group of voters that come from broad backgrounds. We're just closer to the Heisman stuff this year because we have a player in the discussion and a finalist.
The Heisman has been a joke since ESPN heavily invested in it about 15-20 years ago and devoted significant air time telling people who to vote for. Its an award that is predicated on hype and generating ratings and ad revenue. Its literally the only sporting award in the entire world that uses television ratings as a measuring stick.
In many ways the Heisman has always been a flawed award. There really aren't any specific criteria and it has a strange voting base. Before ESPN decided to promote it (and players for it) it was just as flawed because the voting was even more regional. Go back even further when their were limited TV games, and voters simply didn't have much to go on besides stats and 2nd hand information from other voters or media.
Yes, in the early 90's and before you won if you were on TV lots. Did Troy Davis even get a single Hesiman point?
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It may be a bit different this year because the field isn't as deep, but IMO the reactionary nature of the Heisman isn't a lot different than many other years. Not really different than most other national awards really in many ways the Heisman is just more strange because of the large group of voters that come from broad backgrounds. We're just closer to the Heisman stuff this year because we have a player in the discussion and a finalist.
The Heisman has been a joke since ESPN heavily invested in it about 15-20 years ago and devoted significant air time telling people who to vote for. Its an award that is predicated on hype and generating ratings and ad revenue. Its literally the only sporting award in the entire world that uses television ratings as a measuring stick.
In many ways the Heisman has always been a flawed award. There really aren't any specific criteria and it has a strange voting base. Before ESPN decided to promote it (and players for it) it was just as flawed because the voting was even more regional. Go back even further when their were limited TV games, and voters simply didn't have much to go on besides stats and 2nd hand information from other voters or media.
Yes, in the early 90's and before you won if you were on TV lots. Did Troy Davis even get a single Hesiman point?
Probably not, I've said on here a couple of times no one has ever deserved a Heisman more than Troy Davis. What he did on those terrible terrible Iowa State teams is incredible at the very least
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From wiki:
Davis finished fifth out of six finalists for the Heisman Trophy in 1995, and narrowly finished second to winner Danny Wuerffel in 1996. In 1996, Davis won three Heisman regions, but lost badly in the South region. He was nosed out for the 1996 Doak Walker Award by another Big 12 running back, Byron Hanspard of Texas Tech. In both cases, he was largely hampered by the fact that he played on a losing team.
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Troy Davis was actually a fairly close second. on a 2-9 team. :sdeek:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/awards/heisman-1996.html
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From wiki:
Davis finished fifth out of six finalists for the Heisman Trophy in 1995, and narrowly finished second to winner Danny Wuerffel in 1996. In 1996, Davis won three Heisman regions, but lost badly in the South region. He was nosed out for the 1996 Doak Walker Award by another Big 12 running back, Byron Hanspard of Texas Tech. In both cases, he was largely hampered by the fact that he played on a losing team.
the SEC, from top to bottom, from media to its members, plays the game to win. It's impressive.
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Dude was a beast, my fav non-emaw player growing up
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I love how much Heisman talk Klein is getting this week. Would this have anything to do with Manziel playing his bowl game on fox? Also would explain the "Klein should win heisman, but Manziel is going to win thing" idk guys :dunno:
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playing on fox was amazing. Those guys are the best.
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playing on fox was amazing. Those guys are the best.
I actually agree with this. I love the guys that do the Fox games way more than the people ESPN get.
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playing on fox was amazing. Those guys are the best.
This.
I loved how into it Gus and Charles got.
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I wish Fox and Gus Johnson did all of our games.
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I love how much Heisman talk Klein is getting this week. Would this have anything to do with Manziel playing his bowl game on fox? Also would explain the "Klein should win heisman, but Manziel is going to win thing" idk guys :dunno:
Yes, been hearing that talking point a lot the last 2 days and its going to drive me to shank a hooker.
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I love how much Heisman talk Klein is getting this week. Would this have anything to do with Manziel playing his bowl game on fox? Also would explain the "Klein should win heisman, but Manziel is going to win thing" idk guys :dunno:
Yes, been hearing that talking point a lot the last 2 days and its going to drive me to shank a hooker.
I know it's wrong, but this made me laugh.
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http://campusinsiders.com/video/2013991551001
At least EMAW at heart Jason White voted for Collin.
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http://campusinsiders.com/video/2013991551001
At least EMAW at heart Jason White voted for Collin.
:ksu:
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our slim chance of hope lies with past heisman winners. i'm hoping they don't want to be compared to a little crap racist who doesn't obey rules knowingly.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fd3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net%2Fphotos%2Flarge%2F698022860.jpg%3Fkey%3D480640%26amp%3BExpires%3D1354831492%26amp%3BKey-Pair-Id%3DAPKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA%26amp%3BSignature%3DGgvwvBZupzVOnkqUNV4Ye2TNiPLXn01WvOrPMxgaBs5Cvz6vA9ON-TvawoGbr%7EVhm1zdYHSyLNgSDiiA31cD%7EBqkDcfwy2w8jIKOliWfU2eg%7ECO0kY58oBM2VButHoZsuX5rXmYl2vpZnFFdB9hkh2cgf07fzK3kH8BcIGK-gS0_&hash=40f741dc4df2bb0769fb14e02a3dcabca62c2b10)
look at that badass. they say use mats. he says LOL IM THE HEIS MAN
terrible driving form fwiw
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look wear he's standing, jfc. is he doing a Billy Madison running drive?
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video of Kiper an McShay on ESPN site has them both saying Collin's size means he will be a "receiving entity in the NFL." Then during the ESPN CFB Nation chat, Collin was asked this: "Would you change positions to make it in the NFL?" Collin's response: "I don't think I have to. I don't want to. I think I can play QB in the NFL."
just proves non of these talking heads even understand or have watched much football this season.
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video of Kiper an McShay on ESPN site has them both saying Collin's size means he will be a "receiving entity in the NFL." Then during the ESPN CFB Nation chat, Collin was asked this: "Would you change positions to make it in the NFL?" Collin's response: "I don't think I have to. I don't want to. I think I can play QB in the NFL."
just proves non of these talking heads even understand or have watched much football this season.
There were talks of Tebow being converted to a TE before the draft. The reality is Klein has a tremendous arm with some zip, but his release really limits his prospects as a QB. That said, there's nothing stopping him from trying to be a QB at the next level.
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He was invited to the Manning passing camp. He also does not benefit in any way from stating he will not switch positions, it would only hurt him if what Kiper and McShay are saying is actually true. Collin is not one to make statements like that without having info to back it up. He has to have info from somewhere saying he has a shot at QB in the NFL.
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http://campusinsiders.com/video/2013991551001
At least EMAW at heart Jason White voted for Collin.
1. CK :ksu:
2. Te'o
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3. Landry :cheers:
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The reality is Klein has a tremendous arm with some zip, but his release really limits his prospects as a QB. That said, there's nothing stopping him from trying to be a QB at the next level.
Can't tell if serious.
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You guys need to check out NFLdraftmonsters.com. these guys consult to teams on the draft. They have CK playing NFL QB.
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Didn't they say the criteria for the Davey O'Brian includes leadership and character?
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The Davey O'Brien Award committee looks mostly to be heisman voters as well
http://www.daveyobrien.org/adminnm/templates/awards.asp?articleid=30&zoneid=3
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This is so messed up... Klein is the picture perfect image of a Davey O'Brien winner. We shouldn't accept this. We should do something.
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post season awards are meaningless. They would be cool to win, but eff it let espn fondle themselves
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This is so messed up... Klein is the picture perfect image of a Davey O'Brien winner. We shouldn't accept this. We should do something.
We should get a time machine, and go back in time before the Baylor game and tell CK to not eff up so god damn much. And, we should be sure and take the Lord's name in vain, because maybe THAT would get his rough ridin' attention, because nothing else did that week. go cats
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do any of you guys watch football?
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What happens when Manziel comes out next year and sucks?
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This is so messed up... Klein is the picture perfect image of a Davey O'Brien winner. We shouldn't accept this. We should do something.
We should get a time machine, and go back in time before the Baylor game and tell CK to not eff up so god damn much. And, we should be sure and take the Lord's name in vain, because maybe THAT would get his rough ridin' attention, because nothing else did that week. go cats
You would think a player who had 3 TDs in his worst game would garner more respect :dunno: lazy butthole should have played safety against Baylor too.
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Meh, just take all the bottled butthurt and open it up Vince Young style
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:bill: needs to get at dat nose hair, HDTV picks up everything.
Has this show always been such a blatent infomercial for Disneyworld?
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What happens when Manziel comes out next year and sucks?
We'll hear about how tough and difficult it is to play against SEC defenses
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Davey O'Brien hq is in Texas, O'Brien is from Texas
Not really surprising
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What happens when Manziel comes out next year and sucks?
We'll hear about how tough and difficult it is to play against SEC defenses
and about "How can you beat your stats from last year i mean WOW you're beating tebow and newton...twice!! LOL!"
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Davey O'Brien hq is in Texas, O'Brien is from Texas
Not really surprising
Did you miss the post where I linked the voters? It isn't awarded by 8 Ft. Worth businessmen, its a national award, nearly all the voters are heisman voters.
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:bill: needs to get at dat nose hair, HDTV picks up everything.
Has this show always been such a blatent infomercial for Disneyworld?
did they work in any Star Wars stuff? Disney's been flaunting their acquisition.
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You guys need to check out NFLdraftmonsters.com. these guys consult to teams on the draft. They have CK playing NFL QB.
:horrorsurprise: from draft monsters back in August
http://nfldraftmonsters.com/scouting/prospect-preview-kansas-state-wildcats/ (http://nfldraftmonsters.com/scouting/prospect-preview-kansas-state-wildcats/)
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What I'm taking away from this is that if the defense showed up and didn't quit against Baylor and KSU won that game 21-17, Klein would be winning numerous individual awards. Sounds par for the course for NCAAF
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What I'm taking away from this is that if the defense showed up and didn't quit against Baylor and KSU won that game 21-17, Klein would be winning numerous individual awards. Sounds par for the course for NCAAF
Can't blame the D. How many 3 and outs and turnovers do you want them to endure?
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Klein is not going to win the Heisman. You are only setting yourselves up for disappointment. Don't let the haters control your emotions.
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He is going to win. That's why they gave all those awards to those other pussyfaces, so they don't cry so much during CKs heisman ascension.
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Klein is not going to win the Heisman. You are only setting yourselves up for disappointment. Don't let the haters control your emotions.
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Klein is not going to win the Heisman. You are only setting yourselves up for disappointment. Don't let the haters control your emotions.
:zip:
I want to, but I don't want to see the meltdown. It's embarrassing for our school. Don't do it.
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You guys do realize how amazing it is how ck made it there after Baylor. I'm surprised espn allowed that. Just take it in boys.
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What's a suitable form of post-Heisman protest and/or venting? Burning a cross in Manziel's yard? Kicking a puppy? Shoplifting some Old English from 7-11? Need help here.
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What's a suitable form of post-Heisman protest and/or venting? Burning a cross in Manziel's yard? Kicking a puppy? Shoplifting some Old English from 7-11? Need help here.
If you're not setting stuff on fire, you're doing it wrong. (But the cross in Manziel's yard is a no-go from a you're-a-decent-human standpoint.)
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What's a suitable form of post-Heisman protest and/or venting? Burning a cross in Manziel's yard? Kicking a puppy? Shoplifting some Old English from 7-11? Need help here.
If you're not setting stuff on fire, you're doing it wrong. (But the cross in Manziel's yard is a no-go from a you're-a-decent-human standpoint.)
What if I have one of these..."Well, shoot. Didn't see that one coming." yet I'm very calm about it.
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Well what do I burn then? I can't underdo it and just light up the BBQ pit, people will think I don't care.
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Well what do I burn then? I can't underdo it and just light up the BBQ pit, people will think I don't care.
:dunno: Maybe a huge dumpster in Manziel's yard? And maybe swinging around a stuffed burning klansman on a stick? And what about Herbstreit/ESPN people's yards? I think their SEC bias cost us. You should burn something there too.
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What's a suitable form of post-Heisman protest and/or venting? Burning a cross in Manziel's yard? Kicking a puppy? Shoplifting some Old English from 7-11? Need help here.
Sounds more like Johnny's post-Heisman celebration party.
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What's a suitable form of post-Heisman protest and/or venting? Burning a cross in Manziel's yard? Kicking a puppy? Shoplifting some Old English from 7-11? Need help here.
Sounds more like Johnny's post-Heisman celebration party.
Then my idea is completely wrong. :cry:
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Prolly Luke'd but I haven't read the whole thread. Here's the graphic from the Texas game.
http://m147.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/shaggsCD/KleinvsManziel.png.html?o=0&newest=1
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Johnny Manziel ?@JManziel2
Wheels down in NYC with my boy @MTeo_5 looking forward to the weekend! pic.twitter.com/5PpiV7pj
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That just happened. :opcat:
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Klein's getting the K-State treatment. Poor kid never had a chance.
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Beems, who would you vote for?
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Klein's getting the K-State treatment. Poor kid never had a chance.
Pretty much, not sure why people are surprised
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he had a chance until he got spaghetti brains
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Are there goEMAW'rs that really think Klein should win the Heisman?
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Are there goEMAW'rs that really think Klein should win the Heisman?
I think the butthurt is more that Manziel shouldn't win.
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Are there goEMAW'rs that really think Klein should win the Heisman?
I'd be fine with Teo winning but Klein deserves it imo. Manziel padded his stats against crap teams plain and simple. And the over the top ESPN love makes me want to vomit.
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manziel is a way better college football player than klein.
how is this even argued?
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manziel is a way better college football player than klein.
how is this even argued?
Why because they ran up the score against a bunch of pud teams with losing records?
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If Manziel was still in the Big 12 maybe, but playing against 0-fer teams in the top heavy SEC means little to me.
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The graphic during the Texas game is all people need to know. Against teams that matter, Klein is head and shoulders above Manziel. We played 9 bowl teams for christs sakes, A&M played 5
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nobody does butthurt like kstate
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The graphic during the Texas game is all people need to know. Against teams that matter, Klein is head and shoulders above Manziel. We played 9 bowl teams for christs sakes, A&M played 5
That's as selective as stats get, but for some reason it's making me feel better
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Are there goEMAW'rs that really think Klein should win the Heisman?
I'd be fine with Teo winning but Klein deserves it imo. Manziel padded his stats against crap teams plain and simple. And the over the top ESPN love makes me want to vomit.
Please. I get that we all hate manziel because he's racist or whatever, but come on. He plays a good schedule and dwarfed Klein's numbers.
We all knew at the start that K-State was going to have to go undefeated for Klein to have a shot, but K-State lost, largely due to Klein's absolutely horrible performance that night. And now we're surprised he's being marginalized in the Heisman talk? Klein's a great college quarterback, but to win the Heisman, you've either gotta have the numbers, or be in the national championship.
Klein did neither.
I love him, but he absolutely does not "deserve" the heisman this year.
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Yea K-State butthurt over Klein not winning awards is hilarious and embarrassing. Compare stats. The only thing Klein wins in is INT's (barely) and Wins. Manziel's stats are ridiculous.
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The 3 teams A&M played that have good defenses (FL, LSU, Bama) they scored 20, 24, 29
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Are there goEMAW'rs that really think Klein should win the Heisman?
I'd be fine with Teo winning but Klein deserves it imo. Manziel padded his stats against crap teams plain and simple. And the over the top ESPN love makes me want to vomit.
Please. I get that we all hate manziel because he's racist or whatever, but come on. He plays a good schedule and dwarfed Klein's numbers.
We all knew at the start that K-State was going to have to go undefeated for Klein to have a shot, but K-State lost, largely due to Klein's absolutely horrible performance that night. And now we're surprised he's being marginalized in the Heisman talk? Klein's a great college quarterback, but to win the Heisman, you've either gotta have the numbers, or be in the national championship.
Klein did neither.
I love him, but he absolutely does not "deserve" the heisman this year.
Please explain how Manziel played a good schedule, or a schedule better/harder than Klein played.
I'm all ears for this one.
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Are there goEMAW'rs that really think Klein should win the Heisman?
I'd be fine with Teo winning but Klein deserves it imo. Manziel padded his stats against crap teams plain and simple. And the over the top ESPN love makes me want to vomit.
Please. I get that we all hate manziel because he's racist or whatever, but come on. He plays a good schedule and dwarfed Klein's numbers.
We all knew at the start that K-State was going to have to go undefeated for Klein to have a shot, but K-State lost, largely due to Klein's absolutely horrible performance that night. And now we're surprised he's being marginalized in the Heisman talk? Klein's a great college quarterback, but to win the Heisman, you've either gotta have the numbers, or be in the national championship.
Klein did neither.
I love him, but he absolutely does not "deserve" the heisman this year.
Please explain how Manziel played a good schedule, or a schedule better/harder than Klein played.
I'm all ears for this one.
the SEC is far better than the big 12
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Get over it
Start the campaign for #LIFE '13 ASAP
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Are there goEMAW'rs that really think Klein should win the Heisman?
I'd be fine with Teo winning but Klein deserves it imo. Manziel padded his stats against crap teams plain and simple. And the over the top ESPN love makes me want to vomit.
Please. I get that we all hate manziel because he's racist or whatever, but come on. He plays a good schedule and dwarfed Klein's numbers.
We all knew at the start that K-State was going to have to go undefeated for Klein to have a shot, but K-State lost, largely due to Klein's absolutely horrible performance that night. And now we're surprised he's being marginalized in the Heisman talk? Klein's a great college quarterback, but to win the Heisman, you've either gotta have the numbers, or be in the national championship.
Klein did neither.
I love him, but he absolutely does not "deserve" the heisman this year.
Please explain how Manziel played a good schedule, or a schedule better/harder than Klein played.
I'm all ears for this one.
the SEC is far better than the big 12
link?
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Get over it
Start the campaign for #LIFE '13 ASAP
I started that this year. Took a lot of heat for it, but I think it will be worth it in the end.
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South Carolina STATE, 3-9 Auburn, 5-7 Mizzou, Sam Houston State, 4-8 Arkansas
Tough schedule
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Are there goEMAW'rs that really think Klein should win the Heisman?
I'd be fine with Teo winning but Klein deserves it imo. Manziel padded his stats against crap teams plain and simple. And the over the top ESPN love makes me want to vomit.
Please. I get that we all hate manziel because he's racist or whatever, but come on. He plays a good schedule and dwarfed Klein's numbers.
We all knew at the start that K-State was going to have to go undefeated for Klein to have a shot, but K-State lost, largely due to Klein's absolutely horrible performance that night. And now we're surprised he's being marginalized in the Heisman talk? Klein's a great college quarterback, but to win the Heisman, you've either gotta have the numbers, or be in the national championship.
Klein did neither.
I love him, but he absolutely does not "deserve" the heisman this year.
Please explain how Manziel played a good schedule, or a schedule better/harder than Klein played.
I'm all ears for this one.
the SEC is far better than the big 12
Whatever you say Kim Carnes
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The 3 teams A&M played that have good defenses (FL, LSU, Bama) they scored 20, 24, 29
ok now tell me how well K-State's offense did against "teams with good defenses."
Please explain how Manziel played a good schedule, or a schedule better/harder than Klein played.
I'm all ears for this one.
A&M played BCS #2, BCS #3, and BCS #8.
K-State played BCS #11, and BCS #23.
It's okay to love K-State and accept that Klein doesn't deserve the Heisman this year, btw.
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I think it's extra funny when K-Staters say "It's OBVIOUS that Klein should win the Heisman".
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South Carolina STATE, 3-9 Auburn, 5-7 Mizzou, Sam Houston State, 4-8 Arkansas
Tough schedule
kansas, iowa state, baylor, north texas, s mizzou
manziel did what you're supposed to do against bad teams, klein didn't.
get over it. klein had a good career.
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South Carolina STATE, 3-9 Auburn, 5-7 Mizzou, Sam Houston State, 4-8 Arkansas
Tough schedule
kansas, iowa state, baylor, north texas, s mizzou
manziel did what you're supposed to do against bad teams, klein didn't.
get over it. klein had a good career.
Glad you threw 2 bowl teams in there
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Get over it
Start the campaign for #LIFE '13 ASAP
I started that this year. Took a lot of heat for it, but I think it will be worth it in the end.
#DannyTouchDown Campaign needs to get legs
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The 3 teams A&M played that have good defenses (FL, LSU, Bama) they scored 20, 24, 29
ok now tell me how well K-State's offense did against "teams with good defenses."
Please explain how Manziel played a good schedule, or a schedule better/harder than Klein played.
I'm all ears for this one.
A&M played BCS #2, BCS #3, and BCS #8.
K-State played BCS #11, and BCS #23.
It's okay to love K-State and accept that Klein doesn't deserve the Heisman this year, btw.
A&M lost 2 of those 3....K-State won both
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Yea K-State butthurt over Klein not winning awards is hilarious and embarrassing. Compare stats. The only thing Klein wins in is INT's (barely) and Wins. Manziel's stats are ridiculous.
What about CK's intangibles? :cry:
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Manziel had bad games against top 10 teams, with top 10 defenses. Klein had his bad game against the 120th ranked defense. So you can make fun of Manziel for having his good games against bad teams, but Klein couldn't even do that, and had 1 TD against the best defense that we faced.
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A&M lost 2 of those 3....K-State won both
So that somehow makes K-State's schedule harder?
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Exactly, Klein had 1 bad game thats it. Maybe thats where my butthurtness stems from. All it took was that one bad game for everyone to forget the rest of the season then the ESPN hype machine was in full effect for JM. I just hope Teo steals it from him somehow
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A&M lost 2 of those 3....K-State won both
So that somehow makes K-State's schedule harder?
No, the fact we played pretty much double the amount of bowl teams makes it a harder schedule.
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Exactly, Klein had 1 bad game thats it. Maybe thats where my butthurtness stems from. All it took was that one bad game for everyone to forget the rest of the season then the ESPN hype machine was in full effect for JM. I just hope Teo steals it from him somehow
klein didn't have a bad game, he had a horrible game against a horrible team.
manziel had bad games against good teams. evens out. manziel's numbers were better.
not rocket science
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Does Klein get to take pics and stuff with the Heisman trophy after he's done getting the Unitas thing? Seems weird that they carry'ed on without him there.
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Exactly, Klein had 1 bad game thats it. Maybe thats where my butthurtness stems from. All it took was that one bad game for everyone to forget the rest of the season then the ESPN hype machine was in full effect for JM. I just hope Teo steals it from him somehow
YES. One bad game was all it needed to take for Klein this year.
Everyone was willing to look past his otherwise less than mindblowing statistics (that heisman winners usually have) if he could have gotten K-State to a national championship. Klein's whole deal is "he's consistent and he's a winner," well against Baylor, he blew it.
We played fewer teams that are horrible. He played more teams that are better than our best team. He also had far better numbers than Klein.
A&M lost 2 of those 3....K-State won both
So that somehow makes K-State's schedule harder?
No, the fact we played pretty much double the amount of bowl teams makes it a harder schedule.
Right, but "bowl teams" is just another metric. Why should "bowl teams" be more important than "BCS bowl teams," or "currently ranked" teams, or "10 win" teams?
Granted, K-State's SOS is 13 and A&M's is 29th. BUT that difference is relatively marginal and Klein has far worse statistics. SOS is only part of it. Wins is only a part of it. But only a part, that's why Golden at ND (8th SOS, undefeated) isn't a heisman contender.
You have to be in the NC or have the numbers. Klein doesn't have either. Manziel does.
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If Klein didn't play against Baylor, due to his concussion, would he be in a better position? I think so.
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If Klein didn't play against Baylor, due to his concussion, would he be in a better position? I think so.
Undoubtedly.
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The only issue that I have is that it seems like when we have the best player (Bishop, Michael Beasley), the award goes to a player just like Collin Klein. Now that we have the "hard worker" on our team, we still do not get the award.
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Also if A&M gets one of their L's later in the year things would be different. Obviously the timing of the Baylor L was just as bad as the performance
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The only issue that I have is that it seems like when we have the best player (Bishop, Michael Beasley), the award goes to a player just like Collin Klein. Now that we have the "hard worker" on our team, we still do not get the award.
Ricky Williams rushed for 194 yards a game in 98, man.
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So Manziel going 2-2 against teams that are over .500 is better than Klein going 7-1 against teams that are over .500.
Got it.
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Eric Crouch won it with 7 td's 10 int's 1400 yds passing/1100 rushing 18td's over Rex Grossman 3900 yds passing 34 td's.
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Ricky Williams rushed for 194 yards a game in 98, man.
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yeah, with nearly 400 friggin' carries...
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The only issue that I have is that it seems like when we have the best player (Bishop, Michael Beasley), the award goes to a player just like Collin Klein. Now that we have the "hard worker" on our team, we still do not get the award.
Ricky Williams rushed for 194 yards a game in 98, man.
Bishop averaged 300 yards per game and played on a much better team.
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So Manziel going 2-2 against teams that are over .500 is better than Klein going 7-1 against teams that are over .500.
Got it.
What's Golden's record against teams that are over 500?
Like I've said, wins are only a part of it, you dumbass.
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Charles Davis on Fox did a "why each candidate should win the Heisman" segment, and one of the reasons he gave for Manti Te'o winning was that his grandmother and some other female relative died within weeks of one another during the season. Warrants T&P's for sure.
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Eric Crouch won it with 7 td's 10 int's 1400 yds passing/1100 rushing 18td's over Rex Grossman 3900 yds passing 34 td's.
Right...and what bowl game did Nebraska play in that season?
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Thank you Dlew for preparing my butt. I am such a homer when looking objectively at my ksucats. Though I'm still holding out hope against all odds. :crossfingers:
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So Manziel going 2-2 against teams that are over .500 is better than Klein going 7-1 against teams that are over .500.
Got it.
What's Golden's record against teams that are over 500?
Like I've said, wins are only a part of it, you dumbass.
Put Klein against that competition and he will have similar if not better numbers. Put Manziel against Kleins competition and watch a kid crap the bed.
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You have to be in the NC or have the numbers. Klein doesn't have either. Manziel does.
This is a very astute comment in my opinion.
Not really. Let's quit acting like there is some formula for winning the Heisman. It's the biggest eye-test in sports. The criteria for what makes a Heisman winner change every year to adapt to the current situation.
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What was once an award reserved for those who had stellar college careers has been reduced to an award given for a "Moment" pffttt.
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dlew providing some sanity in this thread
thank you dlew
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What was once an award reserved for those who had stellar college careers has been reduced to an award given for a "Moment" pffttt.
The "Heisman Moment" talking point became a near necessity somewhere along the way.
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Exactly, Klein had 1 bad game thats it. Maybe thats where my butthurtness stems from. All it took was that one bad game for everyone to forget the rest of the season then the ESPN hype machine was in full effect for JM. I just hope Teo steals it from him somehow
YES. One bad game was all it needed to take for Klein this year.
Everyone was willing to look past his otherwise less than mindblowing statistics (that heisman winners usually have) if he could have gotten K-State to a national championship. Klein's whole deal is "he's consistent and he's a winner," well against Baylor, he blew it.
We played fewer teams that are horrible. He played more teams that are better than our best team. He also had far better numbers than Klein.
A&M lost 2 of those 3....K-State won both
So that somehow makes K-State's schedule harder?
No, the fact we played pretty much double the amount of bowl teams makes it a harder schedule.
Right, but "bowl teams" is just another metric. Why should "bowl teams" be more important than "BCS bowl teams," or "currently ranked" teams, or "10 win" teams?
Granted, K-State's SOS is 13 and A&M's is 29th. BUT that difference is relatively marginal and Klein has far worse statistics. SOS is only part of it. Wins is only a part of it. But only a part, that's why Golden at ND (8th SOS, undefeated) isn't a heisman contender.
You have to be in the NC or have the numbers. Klein doesn't have either. Manziel does.
I am not going to get into all of this again I took apart these talking points earlier in the week. Dlew if you're going to call people dumbasses and the such you need to reassess a couple of things, namely that Klein had a bad game against Baylor thus disqualifying him/not making him worthy to win the Heisman.
Klein did not have a horrible game against Baylor. Not using the standard of other Klein games this season, not using the standard of Manziel games, and not using the standard by other dual threat QBs who historically won the Heisman minus Cam Newton. Klein had 3 TDs and nearly 300 yards passing, you won't have to look hard to find worse games by the three groups I mentioned in the previous sentence. Yes, he threw three picks which was his high, but goodness it isn't historically awful and we shouldn't make it out to be. And losing late also historically doesn't matter as far as winning the Heisman so please don't mention that again.
This isn't about whether Klein is worthy of winning the Heisman. Their standard is ambiguous, and there have been recent winners with worse numbers. There is always an argument for who is or isn't worthy that can be made for anyone. This is about people using lazy arguments to justify who they think is best, it angers me when some dumbass fat, cheet-o eating sports writer does this. It makes me rage filled when a K-Stater uses the same dumb argument to try to cut down other K-Staters who want something good for their school and a guy who busted his ass for five years.
Would I have voted for Klein in I lived in Seattle and unaffiliated with Kansas State, I don't know. What I do know is that I wouldn't make my decision based on the fact that one of the candidates had a "bad" game in which he threw for 300 yards and had three scores and then vote for a guy who had two "bad" games where he threw for a combined 449 yards and 0 passing TDs in an offense predicated upon him throwing, a lot. I can also say with fair certainty that if you were a heisman voter unattached to a school and unswayed by media coverage that if you had a guy with Klein's profile leading going into the Baylor game you wouldn't drop him for the game that he had when he had 3 or 4 worse before that one. Also did you know that in the Alabama game he threw for less yards and the same amount of TD passes than Klein did against Baylor?
What I'm saying is stop trying to sound intellectually superior to other fans when the method of making a decision is logically flawed and just as based on emotion as the people you are railing against.
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Hammer down MIR.
Hammer Down.
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Exactly, Klein had 1 bad game thats it. Maybe thats where my butthurtness stems from. All it took was that one bad game for everyone to forget the rest of the season then the ESPN hype machine was in full effect for JM. I just hope Teo steals it from him somehow
YES. One bad game was all it needed to take for Klein this year.
Everyone was willing to look past his otherwise less than mindblowing statistics (that heisman winners usually have) if he could have gotten K-State to a national championship. Klein's whole deal is "he's consistent and he's a winner," well against Baylor, he blew it.
We played fewer teams that are horrible. He played more teams that are better than our best team. He also had far better numbers than Klein.
A&M lost 2 of those 3....K-State won both
So that somehow makes K-State's schedule harder?
No, the fact we played pretty much double the amount of bowl teams makes it a harder schedule.
Right, but "bowl teams" is just another metric. Why should "bowl teams" be more important than "BCS bowl teams," or "currently ranked" teams, or "10 win" teams?
Granted, K-State's SOS is 13 and A&M's is 29th. BUT that difference is relatively marginal and Klein has far worse statistics. SOS is only part of it. Wins is only a part of it. But only a part, that's why Golden at ND (8th SOS, undefeated) isn't a heisman contender.
You have to be in the NC or have the numbers. Klein doesn't have either. Manziel does.
I am not going to get into all of this again I took apart these talking points earlier in the week. Dlew if you're going to call people dumbasses and the such you need to reassess a couple of things, namely that Klein had a bad game against Baylor thus disqualifying him/not making him worthy to win the Heisman.
Klein did not have a horrible game against Baylor. Not using the standard of other Klein games this season, not using the standard of Manziel games, and not using the standard by other dual threat QBs who historically won the Heisman minus Cam Newton. Klein had 3 TDs and nearly 300 yards passing, you won't have to look hard to find worse games by the three groups I mentioned in the previous sentence. Yes, he threw three picks which was his high, but goodness it isn't historically awful and we shouldn't make it out to be. And losing late also historically doesn't matter as far as winning the Heisman so please don't mention that again.
This isn't about whether Klein is worthy of winning the Heisman. Their standard is ambiguous, and there have been recent winners with worse numbers. There is always an argument for who is or isn't worthy that can be made for anyone. This is about people using lazy arguments to justify who they think is best, it angers me when some dumbass fat, cheet-o eating sports writer does this. It makes me rage filled when a K-Stater uses the same dumb argument to try to cut down other K-Staters who want something good for their school and a guy who busted his ass for five years.
Would I have voted for Klein in I lived in Seattle and unaffiliated with Kansas State, I don't know. What I do know is that I wouldn't make my decision based on the fact that one of the candidates had a "bad" game in which he threw for 300 yards and had three scores and then vote for a guy who had two "bad" games where he threw for a combined 449 yards and 0 passing TDs in an offense predicated upon him throwing, a lot. I can also say with fair certainty that if you were a heisman voter unattached to a school and unswayed by media coverage that if you had a guy with Klein's profile leading going into the Baylor game you wouldn't drop him for the game that he had when he had 3 or 4 worse before that one. Also did you know that in the Alabama game he threw for less yards and the same amount of TD passes than Klein did against Baylor?
What I'm saying is stop trying to sound intellectually superior to other fans when the method of making a decision is logically flawed and just as based on emotion as the people you are railing against.
Church! :cheers:
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dlew providing some sanity in this thread
thank you dlew
So tell us who you have and the sound reasoning for selecting him. I guarantee I can make your choice sound really wrong, really stupid, really insane no matter who you pick.
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dlew providing some sanity in this thread
thank you dlew
So tell us who you have and the sound reasoning for selecting him. I guarantee I can make your choice sound really wrong, really stupid, really insane no matter who you pick.
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Exactly, Klein had 1 bad game thats it. Maybe thats where my butthurtness stems from. All it took was that one bad game for everyone to forget the rest of the season then the ESPN hype machine was in full effect for JM. I just hope Teo steals it from him somehow
YES. One bad game was all it needed to take for Klein this year.
Everyone was willing to look past his otherwise less than mindblowing statistics (that heisman winners usually have) if he could have gotten K-State to a national championship. Klein's whole deal is "he's consistent and he's a winner," well against Baylor, he blew it.
We played fewer teams that are horrible. He played more teams that are better than our best team. He also had far better numbers than Klein.
A&M lost 2 of those 3....K-State won both
So that somehow makes K-State's schedule harder?
No, the fact we played pretty much double the amount of bowl teams makes it a harder schedule.
Right, but "bowl teams" is just another metric. Why should "bowl teams" be more important than "BCS bowl teams," or "currently ranked" teams, or "10 win" teams?
Granted, K-State's SOS is 13 and A&M's is 29th. BUT that difference is relatively marginal and Klein has far worse statistics. SOS is only part of it. Wins is only a part of it. But only a part, that's why Golden at ND (8th SOS, undefeated) isn't a heisman contender.
You have to be in the NC or have the numbers. Klein doesn't have either. Manziel does.
I am not going to get into all of this again I took apart these talking points earlier in the week. Dlew if you're going to call people dumbasses and the such you need to reassess a couple of things, namely that Klein had a bad game against Baylor thus disqualifying him/not making him worthy to win the Heisman.
Klein did not have a horrible game against Baylor. Not using the standard of other Klein games this season, not using the standard of Manziel games, and not using the standard by other dual threat QBs who historically won the Heisman minus Cam Newton. Klein had 3 TDs and nearly 300 yards passing, you won't have to look hard to find worse games by the three groups I mentioned in the previous sentence. Yes, he threw three picks which was his high, but goodness it isn't historically awful and we shouldn't make it out to be. And losing late also historically doesn't matter as far as winning the Heisman so please don't mention that again.
This isn't about whether Klein is worthy of winning the Heisman. Their standard is ambiguous, and there have been recent winners with worse numbers. There is always an argument for who is or isn't worthy that can be made for anyone. This is about people using lazy arguments to justify who they think is best, it angers me when some dumbass fat, cheet-o eating sports writer does this. It makes me rage filled when a K-Stater uses the same dumb argument to try to cut down other K-Staters who want something good for their school and a guy who busted his ass for five years.
Would I have voted for Klein in I lived in Seattle and unaffiliated with Kansas State, I don't know. What I do know is that I wouldn't make my decision based on the fact that one of the candidates had a "bad" game in which he threw for 300 yards and had three scores and then vote for a guy who had two "bad" games where he threw for a combined 449 yards and 0 passing TDs in an offense predicated upon him throwing, a lot. I can also say with fair certainty that if you were a heisman voter unattached to a school and unswayed by media coverage that if you had a guy with Klein's profile leading going into the Baylor game you wouldn't drop him for the game that he had when he had 3 or 4 worse before that one. Also did you know that in the Alabama game he threw for less yards and the same amount of TD passes than Klein did against Baylor?
What I'm saying is stop trying to sound intellectually superior to other fans when the method of making a decision is logically flawed and just as based on emotion as the people you are railing against.
Outstanding post!
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guys the heisman has been a terrible award for a long time. let's not care so much about it.
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What was once an award reserved for those who had stellar college careers has been reduced to an award given for a "Moment" pffttt.
Yeah. Its more about the story that can be made up around the individual than it is about that individuals play.
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Nick Florence led the country in total offense. Also led his team to a victory against the number 1 team in the BCS rankings. And did it all against a more difficult schedule than A&M's.
Sagarin says Baylor played the 4th best SOS. A&M was 27th.
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I am not going to get into all of this again I took apart these talking points earlier in the week. Dlew if you're going to call people dumbasses and the such you need to reassess a couple of things, namely that Klein had a bad game against Baylor thus disqualifying him/not making him worthy to win the Heisman.
Klein did not have a horrible game against Baylor. Not using the standard of other Klein games this season, not using the standard of Manziel games, and not using the standard by other dual threat QBs who historically won the Heisman minus Cam Newton. Klein had 3 TDs and nearly 300 yards passing, you won't have to look hard to find worse games by the three groups I mentioned in the previous sentence. Yes, he threw three picks which was his high, but goodness it isn't historically awful and we shouldn't make it out to be. And losing late also historically doesn't matter as far as winning the Heisman so please don't mention that again.
This isn't about whether Klein is worthy of winning the Heisman. Their standard is ambiguous, and there have been recent winners with worse numbers. There is always an argument for who is or isn't worthy that can be made for anyone. This is about people using lazy arguments to justify who they think is best, it angers me when some dumbass fat, cheet-o eating sports writer does this. It makes me rage filled when a K-Stater uses the same dumb argument to try to cut down other K-Staters who want something good for their school and a guy who busted his ass for five years.
Would I have voted for Klein in I lived in Seattle and unaffiliated with Kansas State, I don't know. What I do know is that I wouldn't make my decision based on the fact that one of the candidates had a "bad" game in which he threw for 300 yards and had three scores and then vote for a guy who had two "bad" games where he threw for a combined 449 yards and 0 passing TDs in an offense predicated upon him throwing, a lot. I can also say with fair certainty that if you were a heisman voter unattached to a school and unswayed by media coverage that if you had a guy with Klein's profile leading going into the Baylor game you wouldn't drop him for the game that he had when he had 3 or 4 worse before that one. Also did you know that in the Alabama game he threw for less yards and the same amount of TD passes than Klein did against Baylor?
What I'm saying is stop trying to sound intellectually superior to other fans when the method of making a decision is logically flawed and just as based on emotion as the people you are railing against.
Klein had a bad game against Baylor man. Dress it up however you want.
27 of 50, with 3 interceptions, 2 passing TDs, for 286 yards and 17 rushes, for 39 yards "in an offense predicated on" klein running the football, and not screwing up is bad. Bad. Bad. Bad. Against the statistical worst defense in the country. He played very bad against Baylor.
But hell, we can toss out the "bad" characterization anyways. Bottom line is, the loss kept K-State out of the national championship game. Like i've been saying, no national championship, no crazy numbers, no heisman.
Now, having said that, Klein had a fantastic season. It was great. I love him. etc., but in addition to losing (against one of the worst defenses in the country), Klein also didn't have eye-popping numbers this season.
People make out the Heisman to be this super arbitrary thing where no one can possibly guess who will win, but really, it's not that difficult to see that you either (1) have to lead your team to the national championship, or (2) have absurd statistics.
RGIII: 4200 yards passing, 700 yards rushing, 47 TDs NO NC APPEARANCE
Newton: 2850 yards passing, 1500 yards rushing, 50 TDs + NC appearance
Ingram: 1700 yards rushing, 334 receiving, 20 TDs + NC appearance
Bradford: 4700 yards passing, 55 TDs + NC appearance
Tebow: 3300 yards passing, 900 yards rushing, 55 TDs NO NC APPEARANCE
Troy Smith: 2500 yards passing, 230 yards rushing, 31 TDs + NC appearance
Bush: 1740 yards rushing, 480 yards receiving, 19 TDs + NC appearance
Leinart: 3,332 yards passing, 36 TDs + NC appearance
Jason White: 3500 yards passing, 40 TDs + NC appearance
Carson Palmer: 3900 yards passing, 37 TDs NO NC APPEARANCE
Eric Crouch: 1500 yards passing, 1100 yards rushing, 25 TDs, + NC appearance
Chris Weinke: 4300 yards passing, 43 TDs + NC appearance
Klein: 2500 yards passing, 890 yards rushing, 37 TDs, NO NC APPEARANCE.
Manziel: 3400 yards passing, 1200 yards rushing, 43 TDs, NO NC APPEARANCE
So addressing Meister's comment about how there's "no formula" in determining who is going to win the heisman, is true, to an extent. But there IS a formula in determining who won't win the Heisman. According to that list, which goes back to the 2000 season, the requirements for winning the Heisman are at least a NC Appearance, OR at least 3900 total yards.
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MIR should win the Heisman for BBS'ing
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The funny thing about all of this is if Johnny had the exact same numbers, but McCarron threw a TD pass on the last play of the A&M vs. Bama game instead of an INT, I don't think we would have ever heard about Johnny Football.
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I think it's also worth mentioning that Mike Leach has had countless QBs put up monster stats but they were not considered at all because they were "system QB's." Johnny Manziel runs a similar offense, albeit he is more mobile than those QB's, yet I have not heard the "system QB" talking point a single time. The Texas A&M offense has run so many more plays than the Kansas State offense that any comparison of raw numbers between Manziel and Klein really is not fair. Maybe we have moved beyond the "system QB" distinction, which would be a good thing, imo.
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I think it's also worth mentioning that Mike Leach has had countless QBs put up monster stats but they were not considered at all because they were "system QB's." Johnny Manziel runs a similar offense, albeit he is more mobile than those QB's, yet I have not heard the "system QB" talking point a single time. The Texas A&M offense has run so many more plays than the Kansas State offense that any comparison of raw numbers between Manziel and Klein really is not fair. Maybe we have moved beyond the "system QB" distinction, which would be a good thing, imo.
the system hasn't been there long enough for the media to figure it out. but plenty of system qbs have won the heisman. rg3, jason white, sam bradford, etc.
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A&M only played three good teams:
Florida 23-30 for 173 yds 0 INT 0 TD, 17-60 yds 1 TD - LOSS
LSU 29-56 for 276 yds 3 INT 0 TD, 17-27 yds 0 TD - LOSS
Bama 24-31 for 253 yds 0 INT 2 TD, 18-92 yds 0 TD - WIN
That LSU game is atrocious.
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I am not going to get into all of this again I took apart these talking points earlier in the week. Dlew if you're going to call people dumbasses and the such you need to reassess a couple of things, namely that Klein had a bad game against Baylor thus disqualifying him/not making him worthy to win the Heisman.
Klein did not have a horrible game against Baylor. Not using the standard of other Klein games this season, not using the standard of Manziel games, and not using the standard by other dual threat QBs who historically won the Heisman minus Cam Newton. Klein had 3 TDs and nearly 300 yards passing, you won't have to look hard to find worse games by the three groups I mentioned in the previous sentence. Yes, he threw three picks which was his high, but goodness it isn't historically awful and we shouldn't make it out to be. And losing late also historically doesn't matter as far as winning the Heisman so please don't mention that again.
This isn't about whether Klein is worthy of winning the Heisman. Their standard is ambiguous, and there have been recent winners with worse numbers. There is always an argument for who is or isn't worthy that can be made for anyone. This is about people using lazy arguments to justify who they think is best, it angers me when some dumbass fat, cheet-o eating sports writer does this. It makes me rage filled when a K-Stater uses the same dumb argument to try to cut down other K-Staters who want something good for their school and a guy who busted his ass for five years.
Would I have voted for Klein in I lived in Seattle and unaffiliated with Kansas State, I don't know. What I do know is that I wouldn't make my decision based on the fact that one of the candidates had a "bad" game in which he threw for 300 yards and had three scores and then vote for a guy who had two "bad" games where he threw for a combined 449 yards and 0 passing TDs in an offense predicated upon him throwing, a lot. I can also say with fair certainty that if you were a heisman voter unattached to a school and unswayed by media coverage that if you had a guy with Klein's profile leading going into the Baylor game you wouldn't drop him for the game that he had when he had 3 or 4 worse before that one. Also did you know that in the Alabama game he threw for less yards and the same amount of TD passes than Klein did against Baylor?
What I'm saying is stop trying to sound intellectually superior to other fans when the method of making a decision is logically flawed and just as based on emotion as the people you are railing against.
Klein had a bad game against Baylor man. Dress it up however you want.
27 of 50, with 3 interceptions, 2 passing TDs, for 286 yards and 17 rushes, for 39 yards "in an offense predicated on" klein running the football, and not screwing up is bad. Bad. Bad. Bad. Against the statistical worst defense in the country. He played very bad against Baylor.
But hell, we can toss out the "bad" characterization anyways. Bottom line is, the loss kept K-State out of the national championship game. Like i've been saying, no national championship, no crazy numbers, no heisman.
Now, having said that, Klein had a fantastic season. It was great. I love him. etc., but in addition to losing (against one of the worst defenses in the country), Klein also didn't have eye-popping numbers this season.
People make out the Heisman to be this super arbitrary thing where no one can possibly guess who will win, but really, it's not that difficult to see that you either (1) have to lead your team to the national championship, or (2) have absurd statistics.
RGIII: 4200 yards passing, 700 yards rushing, 47 TDs NO NC APPEARANCE
Newton: 2850 yards passing, 1500 yards rushing, 50 TDs + NC appearance
Ingram: 1700 yards rushing, 334 receiving, 20 TDs + NC appearance
Bradford: 4700 yards passing, 55 TDs + NC appearance
Tebow: 3300 yards passing, 900 yards rushing, 55 TDs NO NC APPEARANCE
Troy Smith: 2500 yards passing, 230 yards rushing, 31 TDs + NC appearance
The list goes on.
Klein: 2500 yards passing, 890 yards rushing, 37 TDs, NO NC APPEARANCE.
Manziel: 3400 yards passing, 1200 yards rushing, 43 TDs, NO NC APPEARANCE
So addressing Meister's comment about how there's "no formula" in determining who is going to win the heisman, is true, to an extent. But there IS a formula in determining who won't win the Heisman.
To the bolded point, so?
To the rest of your point are you saying that if K-State went to the national championship game despite the Baylor loss, Klein would have won? The entirety of your post indicates this is what you think, but the first sentence of the post under cuts this point. If is obvious that we wouldn't have played for the national championship no matter who we lost to no matter when we lost in the season. If you or anyone else uses that as a criteria then you lose the ability to mock anyone else given the arbitrary way national championship games are selected.
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I think it's also worth mentioning that Mike Leach has had countless QBs put up monster stats but they were not considered at all because they were "system QB's." Johnny Manziel runs a similar offense, albeit he is more mobile than those QB's, yet I have not heard the "system QB" talking point a single time. The Texas A&M offense has run so many more plays than the Kansas State offense that any comparison of raw numbers between Manziel and Klein really is not fair. Maybe we have moved beyond the "system QB" distinction, which would be a good thing, imo.
the system hasn't been there long enough for the media to figure it out. but plenty of system qbs have won the heisman. rg3, jason white, sam bradford, etc.
You're both right. The "system QB" talking point only gets used when the media deems the QB isn't sexy enough for whatever purpose. Andre Ware won the Heisman as a system QB that put up huge numbers nearly 25 years ago. LOL at thinking the system QB talking point will be eliminated anytime soon. People have discounted RBs in some years because they were too heavily relied upon by their teams.
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The funny thing about all of this is if Johnny had the exact same numbers, but McCarron threw a TD pass on the last play of the A&M vs. Bama game instead of an INT, I don't think we would have ever heard about Johnny Football.
We all partied so hard when it happened. Weird that it bit us in the ass.
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To the bolded point, so?
To the rest of your point are you saying that if K-State went to the national championship game despite the Baylor loss, Klein would have won? The entirety of your post indicates this is what you think, but the first sentence of the post under cuts this point. If is obvious that we wouldn't have played for the national championship no matter who we lost to no matter when we lost in the season. If you or anyone else uses that as a criteria then you lose the ability to mock anyone else given the arbitrary way national championship games are selected.
I just thought the bolded point was funny. Meant to address it.
Anyway, I'm saying that if K-State went to the national championship game despite the Baylor loss, there is definitely an argument that could be made that Klein should win the Heisman. According to the list of former winners I posted, being one of the top two BCS teams matters a lot.
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To the bolded point, so?
To the rest of your point are you saying that if K-State went to the national championship game despite the Baylor loss, Klein would have won? The entirety of your post indicates this is what you think, but the first sentence of the post under cuts this point. If is obvious that we wouldn't have played for the national championship no matter who we lost to no matter when we lost in the season. If you or anyone else uses that as a criteria then you lose the ability to mock anyone else given the arbitrary way national championship games are selected.
I just thought the bolded point was funny. Meant to address it.
Anyway, I'm saying that if K-State went to the national championship game despite the Baylor loss, there is definitely an argument that could be made that Klein should win the Heisman. According to the list of former winners I posted, being one of the top two BCS teams matters a lot.
Is that okay with you? It isn't with me. BTW I disagree with your assessment that the voters are punishing Klein because K-State isn't playing for the national championship, and that will absolutely bear itself out if Manziel wins. Manziel would have been Manziel if the three teams above us lost in the last two weeks of the season, he and his team would have had no effect whatsoever with that.
Sidenote...Did you know that when Ty Detmer won the Heisman his regular season wasn't over? When the heisman was being awarded to him, he and BYU were busy losing to Hawaii in the last game of their regular season.
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Regardless, I think Manziel will go down as one of the more underwhelming Heisman Trophy winners.
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Be near www.youtube.com at the end of the ceremony.
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Regardless, I think Manziel will go down as one of the more underwhelming Heisman Trophy winners.
There's about 13 of the last 20 Heisman winners I can't think of because most of them are underwhelming because its a bullshit award that's nothing more than a measuring stick of who is the biggest hype machine at the end November. The bullshit hype part of it goes all the way back to Doug Flutie. It means absolutely nothing about recognizing the best player in the country. Hell, Charlie Ward won it because he also played basketball.
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When Flutie won it was about who was on TV the most. Football on the eastern seaboard meant a whole lot more then than it does now.
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Be near www.youtube.com at the end of the ceremony.
:runaway: :excited: :drool: :runaway: :excited: :drool: :runaway: :excited: :drool:
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Be near www.youtube.com at the end of the ceremony.
Mother of God.... Just when I was getting excited about watching the Bo Jackson 30 for 30, you go and do this
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Exactly, Klein had 1 bad game thats it. Maybe thats where my butthurtness stems from. All it took was that one bad game for everyone to forget the rest of the season then the ESPN hype machine was in full effect for JM. I just hope Teo steals it from him somehow
YES. One bad game was all it needed to take for Klein this year.
Everyone was willing to look past his otherwise less than mindblowing statistics (that heisman winners usually have) if he could have gotten K-State to a national championship. Klein's whole deal is "he's consistent and he's a winner," well against Baylor, he blew it.
We played fewer teams that are horrible. He played more teams that are better than our best team. He also had far better numbers than Klein.
A&M lost 2 of those 3....K-State won both
So that somehow makes K-State's schedule harder?
No, the fact we played pretty much double the amount of bowl teams makes it a harder schedule.
Right, but "bowl teams" is just another metric. Why should "bowl teams" be more important than "BCS bowl teams," or "currently ranked" teams, or "10 win" teams?
Granted, K-State's SOS is 13 and A&M's is 29th. BUT that difference is relatively marginal and Klein has far worse statistics. SOS is only part of it. Wins is only a part of it. But only a part, that's why Golden at ND (8th SOS, undefeated) isn't a heisman contender.
You have to be in the NC or have the numbers. Klein doesn't have either. Manziel does.
I am not going to get into all of this again I took apart these talking points earlier in the week. Dlew if you're going to call people dumbasses and the such you need to reassess a couple of things, namely that Klein had a bad game against Baylor thus disqualifying him/not making him worthy to win the Heisman.
Klein did not have a horrible game against Baylor. Not using the standard of other Klein games this season, not using the standard of Manziel games, and not using the standard by other dual threat QBs who historically won the Heisman minus Cam Newton. Klein had 3 TDs and nearly 300 yards passing, you won't have to look hard to find worse games by the three groups I mentioned in the previous sentence. Yes, he threw three picks which was his high, but goodness it isn't historically awful and we shouldn't make it out to be. And losing late also historically doesn't matter as far as winning the Heisman so please don't mention that again.
This isn't about whether Klein is worthy of winning the Heisman. Their standard is ambiguous, and there have been recent winners with worse numbers. There is always an argument for who is or isn't worthy that can be made for anyone. This is about people using lazy arguments to justify who they think is best, it angers me when some dumbass fat, cheet-o eating sports writer does this. It makes me rage filled when a K-Stater uses the same dumb argument to try to cut down other K-Staters who want something good for their school and a guy who busted his ass for five years.
Would I have voted for Klein in I lived in Seattle and unaffiliated with Kansas State, I don't know. What I do know is that I wouldn't make my decision based on the fact that one of the candidates had a "bad" game in which he threw for 300 yards and had three scores and then vote for a guy who had two "bad" games where he threw for a combined 449 yards and 0 passing TDs in an offense predicated upon him throwing, a lot. I can also say with fair certainty that if you were a heisman voter unattached to a school and unswayed by media coverage that if you had a guy with Klein's profile leading going into the Baylor game you wouldn't drop him for the game that he had when he had 3 or 4 worse before that one. Also did you know that in the Alabama game he threw for less yards and the same amount of TD passes than Klein did against Baylor?
What I'm saying is stop trying to sound intellectually superior to other fans when the method of making a decision is logically flawed and just as based on emotion as the people you are railing against.
I like Dlew 12, but MIR just made one hell of an assessment and I got to totally agree. Dlew 12, I know it's popular to put down state players on this board; but goddamm give this young man a break. He put his heart into this team and played hurt last season and still won games that we shouldn't have.
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Be near www.youtube.com at the end of the ceremony.
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The funny thing about all of this is if Johnny had the exact same numbers, but McCarron threw a TD pass on the last play of the A&M vs. Bama game instead of an INT, I don't think we would have ever heard about Johnny Football.
We all partied so hard when it happened. Weird that it bit us in the ass.
We thought aTm was forgiven. We were wrong.
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I just thought the bolded point was funny. Meant to address it.
Anyway, I'm saying that if K-State went to the national championship game despite the Baylor loss, there is definitely an argument that could be made that Klein should win the Heisman. According to the list of former winners I posted, being one of the top two BCS teams matters a lot.
Is that okay with you? It isn't with me. BTW I disagree with your assessment that the voters are punishing Klein because K-State isn't playing for the national championship, and that will absolutely bear itself out if Manziel wins. Manziel would have been Manziel if the three teams above us lost in the last two weeks of the season, he and his team would have had no effect whatsoever with that.
Sidenote...Did you know that when Ty Detmer won the Heisman his regular season wasn't over? When the heisman was being awarded to him, he and BYU were busy losing to Hawaii in the last game of their regular season.
Objectively speaking, yeah, going to the NC is very important. Just ask Troy Smith up there. And I guess that metric is okay with me inasmuch as wins being counted as part of the "formula" are okay with me. Hypothetically, we all would've been okay with "NC appearance" being included in Klein's resume if he went to the national championship. Being one of the top two teams in the country is a tough thing to do. K-State being in the national title hunt was the main reason Klein received as much hype as he did - because again, it wasn't due to his numbers. I guess I thought we all knew Klein was going to have to keep winning to get the Heisman.
Re. Teo, I will be incredibly surprised if he wins.
I get that Manziel would always have been Manziel if K-State was in the national championship game, and I'm not saying Klein definitely would have won. But he at least would have had a better argument. Because he fits the very simple formula I discussed above. A lot more people would be arguing for Klein in the heisman race than there are currently. I'm not saying he'd win, but he'd at least have an argument.
Also, that's hilarious about Detmer.
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are the last 4 pages worth reading? tia
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I like Dlew 12, but MIR just made one hell of an assessment and I got to totally agree. Dlew 12, I know it's popular to put down state players on this board; but goddamm give this young man a break. He put his heart into this team and played hurt last season and still won games that we shouldn't have.
Pointing out that Klein "played very bad" against baylor and "blew it" is putting him down?
Is this really contentious stuff?
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Collin doesn't have the numbers to win it. And if you don't have the numbers to win it, but you still win it, that is really bad. Collin would be mocked and critiqued and laughed at for the rest of his life. Jason White, version 2.0, but maybe worse if he doesn't fade into obscurity like White did.
Honestly, Collin doesn't want it and you shouldn't either.
If Manziel wins, we are going to witness his life turn into a dumpster fire. Entertaining, but catastrophic and very sad in the end.
I'm rooting for Te'o. You should, too. He's an awesome dude. Almost as good at linebacker as Arthur.
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Ya on Manziel becoming Johnny Dumpsterfire - that is why I think Teo had a real shot
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:Tucks in Shirt:
I, for one, will be doing my damndest to put the butthurt aside and bask in the glorious attention that will be placed on KSU by having one of the three finalists in this thing. Will we be getting the same amount of exposure as ND or A&M? Probably not, but we'll be getting a damn sight more than any other Big XII team will be receiving tomorrow.
Enjoy the show, and enjoy Johnny Football making guys like Ty Detmer, Jason White, Danny Weurfel & Gino Toretta look like distinguished Heisman winners over the next handful of years.
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I like Dlew 12, but MIR just made one hell of an assessment and I got to totally agree. Dlew 12, I know it's popular to put down state players on this board; but goddamm give this young man a break. He put his heart into this team and played hurt last season and still won games that we shouldn't have.
Pointing out that Klein "played very bad" against baylor and "blew it" is putting him down?
Is this really contentious stuff?
No, you are right. Klein lost the Heisman by playing bad against Baylor. How could anyone argue against that? I guess MIR did in his post but I :dnr: it. Sorry.
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I just thought the bolded point was funny. Meant to address it.
Anyway, I'm saying that if K-State went to the national championship game despite the Baylor loss, there is definitely an argument that could be made that Klein should win the Heisman. According to the list of former winners I posted, being one of the top two BCS teams matters a lot.
Is that okay with you? It isn't with me. BTW I disagree with your assessment that the voters are punishing Klein because K-State isn't playing for the national championship, and that will absolutely bear itself out if Manziel wins. Manziel would have been Manziel if the three teams above us lost in the last two weeks of the season, he and his team would have had no effect whatsoever with that.
Sidenote...Did you know that when Ty Detmer won the Heisman his regular season wasn't over? When the heisman was being awarded to him, he and BYU were busy losing to Hawaii in the last game of their regular season.
Objectively speaking, yeah, going to the NC is very important. Just ask Troy Smith up there. And I guess that metric is okay with me inasmuch as wins being counted as part of the "formula" are okay with me. Hypothetically, we all would've been okay with "NC appearance" being included in Klein's resume if he went to the national championship. Being one of the top two teams in the country is a tough thing to do. K-State being in the national title hunt was the main reason Klein received as much hype as he did - because again, it wasn't due to his numbers. I guess I thought we all knew Klein was going to have to keep winning to get the Heisman.
Re. Teo, I will be incredibly surprised if he wins.
I get that Manziel would always have been Manziel if K-State was in the national championship game, and I'm not saying Klein definitely would have won. But he at least would have had a better argument. Because he fits the very simple formula I discussed above. A lot more people would be arguing for Klein in the heisman race than there are currently. I'm not saying he'd win, but he'd at least have an argument.
Also, that's hilarious about Detmer.
Dlew, I know what you are saying. The Heisman results are directly related to how strong the hype machine is for you, and "led his team to the NC game with a chance at leading his team the NC" is adding nitro to hype machine engine.
Another example of something a player has no impact on, but plays a huge role in their chances at winning the Heisman : Te'o had no impact on that Pitt kicker missing that FG to beat ND, but if he makes it ND isn't playing for the NC and Te'o's Heisman chances take a huge hit. He sure as crap doesn't win all those awards this week. Jenkins or Clowney may have those LB/Defensive trophies.
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K-State is too good for awards. WGAF
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PLITS CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT Rush yards rush TD Total Yards Total TD
QB 1 Season 276 451 4121 61.2 9.14 80 31 13 16 154.9 531 9 4652 40
QB 2 Season 273 400 3419 68.3 8.55 89 24 8 22 155.9 1181 19 4600 43
Both beat #1 "Heisman Moment"
One is going to win the Heisman, the other was never brought up. This shows to me how flawed the Heisman trophy has become and how stats mean almost nothing when it comes to the award and so it is fruitless to argue with them..
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going to sound butthurt/tinfoilish but has anyone ever calculated what percentage of the vote ESPN employees have?
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OH MY GOD THIS HEISMAN VOTER IS SO FULL OF crap
https://m.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151549761821258
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who's heisman campain should we be working on for next year.
Tyler Locket
D Sams
John Hubert
<insert name>
I think John Hubert is our best shot next year. After all Danny Smackdown (D Sams) will just be a sophomore and Tyler Locket is just too skinny to lift the Heisman trophy.
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Love how espnu is spending the morning replaying atm vs bama followed by ND vs USC. No k state game. Atleast espn is admitting Klein is just there to fill a chair.
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He was just live on sportscenter, nothing interesting said or asked really, same stuff he's been saying all year
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Dlew12
I think the butthurt comes from the fact that people feel that Manziel's numbers should have some sort of asterisk next to it. I completely agree that the winner is either going to be someone that puts his team in the NC, or someone with gaudy #'s. I completely accept that.
-The problem with manziel (IMO) was that he put up a lot of #'s against teams he had no reason/business doing it against. He scored 6 touchdowns in a 48-3 win against SMU. 5 touchdowns in a 70-14 win against South Carolina State. Scored 4 touchdowns and threw for 450 yards in a 58-10 win against pig-aggie. Another 5 touchdowns in a 63-21 win against Auburn. And another 5 touchdowns in a 59-29 win against Mizzou.
- He obviously would have had an incredible season even had ATM played more conservatively in those blowout wins.
The problem I have is that they had him do stupid crap like kick an extra point for no reason in those games.
So back to the original point. Yes, I am fine with the heisman winner either being a guy that takes his team to the NC, or a guy who has incredible #'s. I am not so fine with it if those incredible #'s are due to inflated stats against overmatched teams.
I think a coach is obviously trying to gain as much attention as possible for his QB when he has said QB kick an extra point for no rough ridin' reason. At that point, I start to question how many of those touchdowns and yards in blow out wins were because the team needed them to win, or the coach was just pumping stats his QB's way.
Either way, I am fine with Klein not getting the Heisman, as he neither put up incredible #'s or was able to take his team to the NC.
It's kind of like a "if we cant have it, then neither should they" attitude
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K-State is too good for awards. WGAF
:thumbs: KSU DOES NOT NEED this validation
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Collin doesn't have the numbers to win it. And if you don't have the numbers to win it, but you still win it, that is really bad. Collin would be mocked and critiqued and laughed at for the rest of his life. Jason White, version 2.0, but maybe worse if he doesn't fade into obscurity like White did.
Honestly, Collin doesn't want it and you shouldn't either.
If Manziel wins, we are going to witness his life turn into a dumpster fire. Entertaining, but catastrophic and very sad in the end.
I'm rooting for Te'o. You should, too. He's an awesome dude. Almost as good at linebacker as Arthur.
If you don't "have the numbers" to win it and still win it, who gives a crap? Who really gives Jason White crap? Or Eric Crouch? Also, White actually had the numbers. Klein winning it would be like Tebow or Crouch. People would say he was a great college player that didn't translate to the Pros. Who gives a crap? K-State having a Heisman trophy winner would be big for recruiting and the national perception of our university. If you don't want Klein to win it, you're a dumbass.
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Oh man ChiCat making my backside nice an ripe for the picking.
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Be near www.youtube.com at the end of the ceremony.
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Cannot wait, PW. I'm sure it will be beautiful and thought provoking.
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I WILL BE NEAR!!!
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Be near www.youtube.com at the end of the ceremony.
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what if klein wins?
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Be near www.youtube.com at the end of the ceremony.
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what if klein wins?
be there either way
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I WILL BE NEAR!!!
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http://via.me/-7nj2b44
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http://via.me/-7nj2b44
debonair
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Manziels acne :horrorsurprise: worse than Spracne. Klein easily the best looking candidate. K-State rules.
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Mante rockin' the shrubbery.
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Manziel making fun of people with speech impediments...classy guy
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This should just be called the Manziel Super Show with special guests Klein and Teo. Sheesh.
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Just hurts to watch this. You deserve the best CK
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What did Manziel say about speech impediments?
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Said people with lisps are idiots
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What is 3?
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What is 3?
The over/under on years before we see a "Johnny Manziel had to sell his Heisman trophy to cover legal fees" story on ESPN.
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poor collin. knowing him, he's as happy as can be to be there, represent the qatz and his team, and he knows theres something better for him out there than for JF. but seriously, i cannot how bad the media is now. JF earned it with his "numbers", but does not deserve it.
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Welp.
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OU, beat the crap out of A&M.
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:opcat:
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He forgot to thank his bail bondsman.
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:clac:
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God it's great to be a K-State fan. Sorry CK, you are a great QB on a great team. The ESPN clown show is over. :curse:
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God it's great to be a K-State fan. Sorry CK, you are a great QB on a great team. The ESPN clown show is over. :curse:
Well said. Now to focus on our Fiesta!
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It hurts. Let's not act like it doesn't. :frown:
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God it's great to be a K-State fan. Sorry CK, you are a great QB on a great team. The ESPN clown show is over. :curse:
Well said. Now to focus on our Fiesta!
We need to kick assclown Chip Kelly and his team back to Oregon. :cheers:
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ouch.
collin, you have nothing to prove to these skewed view voters. thanks for everything, and see you on the sidelines with ell, bish and beas later.
for now, go beat oregon and give us another smile and a speech about how you love your team.
probably won't hear your name on espn next year, but take that as a compliment. you've got a pretty big group of people who will always be thankful for your work.
OU, beat the crap out of A&M.
and this.
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It hurts. Let's not act like it doesn't. :frown:
It does SB, it does. :cry:
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shhh, the bo jackson 30 for 30 is on now.
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The leader of the champion of the best conference.
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do we know if he placed or showed? /not that it matters
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Oh man, why did they even invite Klein? What a blowout
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do we know if he placed or showed? /not that it matters
3rd...only 60 first place votes.
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It was phenomenal that he was there.
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Sams must avenge this loss.
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Are we mad that Klein lost because he plays for K-State or because we think he had a better season than Manziel?
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FWIW I blame OSU for ringing Klein's bell and possibly hurting his hand in some fashion.
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Are we mad that Klein lost because he plays for K-State or because we think he had a better season than Manziel?
You know the answer to that one, nicname. :dubious:
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Are we mad that Klein lost because he plays for K-State or because we think he had a better season than Manziel?
I'm mad that Johnny :opcat: won. Would rather have Te'o
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Are we mad that Klein lost because he plays for K-State or because we think he had a better season than Manziel?
I'm mad that Johnny :opcat: won. Would rather have Te'o
I would have voted for Te'o. I would have voted for Klein if we were undefeated. I would have voted for Manziel if his team was in the SEC championship and he hadn't played so poorly against LSU.
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I have to question if we would have beat Baylor, Klein had an okay game but we still one, going to a BCS NC game that Johnny Football would have still won. Losing that many votes based just on one game seems way too many for my brain to wrap around.
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I love you Collin. You are the best player on the best team. You Brown, and Harper are three of the best that will ever play at K-State.
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I have to question if we would have beat Baylor, Klein had an okay game but we still one, going to a BCS NC game that Johnny Football would have still won. Losing that many votes based just on one game seems way too many for my brain to wrap around.
yes, CK would have. Manti came in relatively close second and he was on defense of an undefeated team.
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I have to question if we would have beat Baylor, Klein had an okay game but we still one, going to a BCS NC game that Johnny Football would have still won. Losing that many votes based just on one game seems way too many for my brain to wrap around.
yes, CK would have. Manti came in relatively close second and he was on defense of an undefeated team.
It wouldn't have been close if KSU beats Baylor. Klein would have won in a landslide, but with no "heisman moment," just consistently great play coupled with the terrible showing at Baylor there was no chance.
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Lesson learned. K-State has to get off their ass and work the media in the modern game of college football. It matters tremendously.
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OOPS! Guess ya can't lay a turd vs Baylor and expect ESPN to slobber your stick :horrorsurprise:
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Are we mad that Klein lost because he plays for K-State or because we think he had a better season than Manziel?
How many goddamn times does the same conversation need to take place in the same goddamn thread? Every other page perhaps, jesus.
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I have to question if we would have beat Baylor, Klein had an okay game but we still one, going to a BCS NC game that Johnny Football would have still won. Losing that many votes based just on one game seems way too many for my brain to wrap around.
yes, CK would have. Manti came in relatively close second and he was on defense of an undefeated team.
It wouldn't have been close if KSU beats Baylor. Klein would have won in a landslide, but with no "heisman moment," just consistently great play coupled with the terrible showing at Baylor there was no chance.
Klein did play okay against Baylor, nicname has rocks where other people have synapses.
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Lesson learned. K-State has to get off their ass and work the media in the modern game of college football. It matters tremendously.
K-State had the most talked about campaign of the three candidates.
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SEC and ESPN are the first athletic conference and sports network to win a Heisman, congrats!
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Oh he did not. It wasn't his fault that he was nagged by injuries in both the TCU and Baylor games, but the numbers and result were crap.
Btw, I didn't read this thread from the loss at Baylor until after the Heisman was given out.
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Lesson learned. K-State has to get off their ass and work the media in the modern game of college football. It matters tremendously.
K-State had the most talked about campaign of the three candidates.
Not really
and band aids don't cut it.
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Oh he did not. It wasn't his fault that he was nagged by injuries in both the TCU and Baylor games, but the numbers and result were crap.
Btw, I didn't read this thread from the loss at Baylor until after the Heisman was given out.
If the numbers were crap I wonder what you think of other less productive games that he had and his co-finalists had. The INTs were bad, but he was productive otherwise. He had 3 tds and nearly 300 yds passing.
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shhh, the bo jackson 30 for 30 is on now.
I love Bo Jackson!
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Lesson learned. K-State has to get off their ass and work the media in the modern game of college football. It matters tremendously.
K-State had the most talked about campaign of the three candidates.
Not really
and band aids don't cut it.
You're an idiot. I'm sure you can tell me what ND and A&M did without googling.
I heard 3 different long time CFB media members say the bandaids were the most creative trinket they've ever seen. Nevertheless I'm sure if they did whatever you proposed it would make up the 1200 point deficit he had and more.
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shhh, the bo jackson 30 for 30 is on now.
I love Bo Jackson!
Of course George Brett is on here talking about the toilet
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EVERYONE SHUT UP I HATE THIS THREAD
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Oh he did not. It wasn't his fault that he was nagged by injuries in both the TCU and Baylor games, but the numbers and result were crap.
Btw, I didn't read this thread from the loss at Baylor until after the Heisman was given out.
If the numbers were crap I wonder what you think of other less productive games that he had and his co-finalists had. The INTs were bad, but he was productive otherwise. He had 3 tds and nearly 300 yds passing.
He was barely over 50% completions. He threw the ball 50 times and didn't even get 300 yards. He didn't run well. Plus, yes, the INTs were bad. It was a bad game and it was against a crappy defense. It was right after he was on the cover of SI and right when everything seemed to be falling into place, and Klein and K-State got their dicks knocked into the dirt on national TV by a team with a losing record. Never going to win the Heisman doing that, unless you have ungodly numbers.
Te'o never had a bad game btw, and his team is in the national title. Manziel did have a worse game (against LSU), and had some other subpar to bad games against Ole Miss and Florida. Manziels' stats overall are just plain better than Klein.
Whatever, I would have voted for Te'o.
Injuries and luck play a big part to. No way Klein doesn't win the Heisman if he doesn't play hurt against TCU and Baylor. We may still have lost with the defensive injuries against the Bears, but I'm sure he would have put up great numbers.
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Johnny's parents were rough ridin' wearing Hawaiian lei's and crap, but Collin's were not.
:sdeek:
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Johnny's parents were rough ridin' wearing Hawaiian lei's and crap, but Collar's were not.
:sdeek:
I was almost offended by the manziel's doing that. seemed pompous.
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We saw the K-State effect tonight (<-------- butthurt usa, this guy). I mean we all saw it coming, but Klein was a Tebow clone. If he wears the Florida jersey, he takes home the hardware.
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Manti Te'o family and friends: "You guys want to wear some Hawaiian leis too":
Johnny's Family: "YES! WOOT, CANCUN!"
Collin's Family: "No Thank you, T's and P's."
:lol:
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Manti Te'o family and friends: "You guys want to wear some Hawaiian leis too":
Johnny's Family: "YES! WOOT, CANCUN!"
Collin's Family: "No Thank you, T's and P's."
:lol:
Those leis are voodoo
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Manti Te'o family and friends: "You guys want to wear some Hawaiian leis too":
Johnny's Family: "YES! WOOT, CANCUN!"
Collin's Family: "No Thank you, T's and P's."
:lol:
"lei me?!?!?? Sorry, we don't even kiss until we're married"
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shhh, the bo jackson 30 for 30 is on now.
I love Bo Jackson!
Of course George Brett is on here talking about the toilet
felt this was extremely odd.
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Johnny's parents were rough ridin' wearing Hawaiian lei's and crap, but Collar's were not.
:sdeek:
I was almost offended by the manziel's doing that. seemed pompous.
I thought it was an anal bead necklace? :dunno:
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Manti Te'o family and friends: "You guys want to wear some Hawaiian leis too":
Johnny's Family: "YES! WOOT, CANCUN!"
Collin's Family: "No Thank you, T's and P's."
:lol:
I can't even imagine what horrible racial slurs the Manziel's said to them. :frown:
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Some dude at this party wearing an aTm jersey. Takes crap on him until he left the party. Great day.
Talked*
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Lesson learned. K-State has to get off their ass and work the media in the modern game of college football. It matters tremendously.
K-State had the most talked about campaign of the three candidates.
Not really
and band aids don't cut it.
You're an idiot. I'm sure you can tell me what ND and A&M did without googling.
I heard 3 different long time CFB media members say the bandaids were the most creative trinket they've ever seen. Nevertheless I'm sure if they did whatever you proposed it would make up the 1200 point deficit he had and more.
Damn youre a pseudointellectual jerkoff. You really think trinkets are going to win a Heisman in today's age? GMFB. Yeah they were a great trinket to put out there to keep people thinking of CK. Right now we know about 2 items sent out by K-State for the promo, the promo guide with the band aid enclosure and the box of bandaids. That isn't going to do crap when Kelly is out there pumping the media ever chance he gets. That isn't going to sway a voter when Sumlin is out there pumping the stats for his QB in every interview on ESPN. Guess what, the small time mindset at K-State of just being happy to be invited kills our chances at winning awards and getting votes in polls. Those are the clear facts of the matter. Every other week K-State should have been putting new material out or having interviews. We couldn't get out of our own way to accomplish a semblance of a PR campaign.
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http://heisman.aggieathletics.com/ (http://heisman.aggieathletics.com/)
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http://heisman.aggieathletics.com/ (http://heisman.aggieathletics.com/)
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Yuck. rough ridin' yuck.
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Lesson learned. K-State has to get off their ass and work the media in the modern game of college football. It matters tremendously.
K-State had the most talked about campaign of the three candidates.
Not really
and band aids don't cut it.
You're an idiot. I'm sure you can tell me what ND and A&M did without googling.
I heard 3 different long time CFB media members say the bandaids were the most creative trinket they've ever seen. Nevertheless I'm sure if they did whatever you proposed it would make up the 1200 point deficit he had and more.
Damn youre a pseudointellectual jerkoff. You really think trinkets are going to win a Heisman in today's age? GMFB. Yeah they were a great trinket to put out there to keep people thinking of CK. Right now we know about 2 items sent out by K-State for the promo, the promo guide with the band aid enclosure and the box of bandaids. That isn't going to do crap when Kelly is out there pumping the media ever chance he gets. That isn't going to sway a voter when Sumlin is out there pumping the stats for his QB in every interview on ESPN. Guess what, the small time mindset at K-State of just being happy to be invited kills our chances at winning awards and getting votes in polls. Those are the clear facts of the matter. Every other week K-State should have been putting new material out or having interviews. We couldn't get out of our own way to accomplish a semblance of a PR campaign.
Snyder could have done more to help Klein than anyone.
Well, short of Colin having numbers in the ballpark of Manziel's.
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Yuck. rough ridin' yuck.
They're a cult, just point & laugh.
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Can we all just agree that Johnny Criminal is the ugliest "winner" of all time :barf: :barf: -----> Teambutthurt
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Klein gets no senior bowl invite. /butthurt
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Johnny's parents were rough ridin' wearing Hawaiian lei's and crap, but Collin's were not.
:sdeek:
I was almost offended by the manziel's doing that. seemed pompous.
I thought it was an anal bead necklace? :dunno:
Seriously, what the eff was going on there? Has there been any other national conversation about the fact that Manziel's family was wearing lei's and Collin's was not? What the eff was that?
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http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=8729005
Eff you NFL! No respect for Klein.
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Phil Savage, the guy who makes the final roster decisions for the Senior Bowl has a fine eye for talent, especially quarterbacks, so if he doesn't think Collin is good enough for his game we should be okay with that. I mean Savage was responsible for this
Savage stole the headlines in the first round of the 2007 NFL Draft as the Browns drafted Wisconsin offensive tackle Joe Thomas with the third pick overall, and then acquired Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn with the 22nd pick, acquired through a trade with the Dallas Cowboys. The Browns gave up their 2007 second-round pick and 2008 first-round draft selection to Dallas for the chance to pick Quinn.
I mean not only did he draft Brady Quinn in the first round he gave away another first round pick and a second round pick to get him. Phil Savage is clearly a qb evaluation savant.
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ON THE BRIGHTSIDE: Now that the awfulness of A&M winning this is over, we get to look forward to three years of Manziel failing miserably to live up to the hype!
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ON THE BRIGHTSIDE: Now that the awfulness of A&M winning this is over, we get to look forward to three years of Manziel failing miserably to live up to the hype!
This is truly a silver lining to this tragedy.
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ON THE BRIGHTSIDE: Now that the awfulness of A&M winning this is over, we get to look forward to three years of Manziel failing miserably to live up to the hype!
yes, was thinking about this yesterday
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Over/Under on Johnny Footballs ever winning a divisional or conference title in the SEC?
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Over/Under on Johnny Footballs ever winning a divisional or conference title in the SEC?
0.5
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ON THE BRIGHTSIDE: Now that the awfulness of A&M winning this is over, we get to look forward to three years of Manziel failing miserably to live up to the hype!
with pending proceedings sometimes I wonder if ESPN did this to build him up so the nation can watch him fall on their network and be all "we had no idea" and then bury the crap out of him. Sort of like they are BITB'ing us the whole time.
This is good for us in the long run, guys. Disgusting tainted trophy. No thanks!
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ON THE BRIGHTSIDE: Now that the awfulness of A&M winning this is over, we get to look forward to three years of Manziel failing miserably to live up to the hype!
with pending proceedings sometimes I wonder if ESPN did this to build him up so the nation can watch him fall on their network and be all "we had no idea" and then bury the crap out of him. Sort of like they are BITB'ing us the whole time.
This is good for us in the long run, guys. Disgusting tainted trophy. No thanks!
This, ESPN has made more money on tearing Tebow down that propping him up. Since Tebow is now all torn down/in the New York market and thus the New York media's domain, they need some new meat to chew up. Congrats Johnny.
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For a while there winning all those games was making me really happy and excited. Now all this is bringing the rough ridin' anger back! :curse:
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Phil Savage, the guy who makes the final roster decisions for the Senior Bowl has a fine eye for talent, especially quarterbacks, so if he doesn't think Collin is good enough for his game we should be okay with that. I mean Savage was responsible for this
Savage stole the headlines in the first round of the 2007 NFL Draft as the Browns drafted Wisconsin offensive tackle Joe Thomas with the third pick overall, and then acquired Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn with the 22nd pick, acquired through a trade with the Dallas Cowboys. The Browns gave up their 2007 second-round pick and 2008 first-round draft selection to Dallas for the chance to pick Quinn.
I mean not only did he draft Brady Quinn in the first round he gave away another first round pick and a second round pick to get him. Phil Savage is clearly a qb evaluation savant.
Savage is also the radio analyst for 'Bama and on the Philadelphia Eagles payroll. He's just dripping with football genius and objectivity
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i took a bet with someone that Manziel would get arrested again at least once before leaving College Station. seems likely to me.
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i took a bet with someone that Manziel would get arrested again at least once before leaving College Station. seems likely to me.
mcmw :dunno:
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Next year is Teddy Bridgewater's year.....Teddy Football FTW.
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This is the part that isn't right!
from article in Wichita Eagle Sunday.....
"Klein might have been hurt by some voters not waiting until the season was over to cast their ballots. Only 77 percent of voters voted after Klein led K-State to a season-ending victory over Texas that clinched a conference championship for the Wildcats. Klein played well that night, and ESPN analyst Lee Corso called it one of the greatest victories in K-State history during the Heisman presentation."
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2012/12/08/2597070/k-states-klein-finishes-behind.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.kansas.com/2012/12/08/2597070/k-states-klein-finishes-behind.html#storylink=cpy)
:shakesfist: :opcat: :curse: :bang:
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This is the part that isn't right!
from article in Wichita Eagle Sunday.....
"Klein might have been hurt by some voters not waiting until the season was over to cast their ballots. Only 77 percent of voters voted after Klein led K-State to a season-ending victory over Texas that clinched a conference championship for the Wildcats. Klein played well that night, and ESPN analyst Lee Corso called it one of the greatest victories in K-State history during the Heisman presentation."
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2012/12/08/2597070/k-states-klein-finishes-behind.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.kansas.com/2012/12/08/2597070/k-states-klein-finishes-behind.html#storylink=cpy)
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77 of voter waiting until after Championship Saturday seems really high actually. It didn't hurt at all...Baylor killed it...he could have had 500 rushing yds vs TEX...the margin of defeat was substantial
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Guess this is safe/legal to post now: :cry:
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The 30 for 30 about the midget going from Heisman winner to life in lockup should be fantastic
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The 30 for 30 about the midget going from Heisman winner to grand pu ba of the kkk to life in lockup should be fantastic
fyp
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Snyder could have done more to help Klein than anyone.
Alabama's quarterback and offensive coordinator could have done more to help Klein than anyone.
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Snyder could have done more to help Klein than anyone.
Well, short of Colin having numbers in the ballpark of Manziel's.
yeah because it isn't like K-State has run a failed Heisman campaign before :dubious:
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No NCAA '14 cover for Klein or Teo. EA is having a contest to put a school on the '14 cover, not a player.
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No NCAA '14 cover for Klein or Teo. EA is having a contest to put a school on the '14 cover, not a player.
Isn't that a first? (edit: non-player cover)
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No NCAA '14 cover for Klein or Teo. EA is having a contest to put a school on the '14 cover, not a player.
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No NCAA '14 cover for Klein or Teo. EA is having a contest to put a school on the '14 cover, not a player.
Isn't that a first? (edit: non-player cover)
Yes
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No NCAA '14 cover for Klein or Teo. EA is having a contest to put a school on the '14 cover, not a player.
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Kansas Jayhawks ?@KUAthletics
Vote for #kufball to be featured on the cover of the next NCAA Football game from EA Sports: http://kuathne.ws/UIyH8f
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No NCAA '14 cover for Klein or Teo. EA is having a contest to put a school on the '14 cover, not a player.
:flush:
Kansas Jayhawks ?@KUAthletics
Vote for #kufball to be featured on the cover of the next NCAA Football game from EA Sports: http://kuathne.ws/UIyH8f
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Maybe we should use this as an opportunity to TSC? That would be so great to have 1-11 KANSAS Jayhawks on the cover!
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No NCAA '14 cover for Klein or Teo. EA is having a contest to put a school on the '14 cover, not a player.
:flush:
Kansas Jayhawks ?@KUAthletics
Vote for #kufball to be featured on the cover of the next NCAA Football game from EA Sports: http://kuathne.ws/UIyH8f
:flush: :flush:
Maybe we should use this as an opportunity to TSC? That would be so great to have 1-11 KANSAS Jayhawks on the cover!
It would be pretty awesome, actually. That would be a good sign that EA is getting back on track.
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Would be really confusing for the little kid that has the game bought for them and starts playing the game with KU expecting them to be the most fun team to play with and to crush ppl and stuff.
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Would be really confusing for the little kid that has the game bought for them and starts playing the game with KU expecting them to be the most fun team to play with and to crush ppl and stuff.
KU would probably be programmed to be a decent team during the first 3 quarters then the opposing team all of a sudden becomes NFL All-Time All-Star difficult in the 4th.
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Holy crap, let's do that. Someone post it on shaggy bevo or something
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yeah, that's a really great idea
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someone beat us to it, kentucky is way ahead of everyone
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someone beat us to it, kentucky is way ahead of everyone
Damn you Tennessee fans (I'm assuming) :shakesfist:
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Oh well, time to jump on board. BBN!!!
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http://entertainment.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=23786&external=2217661.proteus.fma (http://entertainment.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=23786&external=2217661.proteus.fma)
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http://entertainment.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=23786&external=2217661.proteus.fma (http://entertainment.foxnews.mobi/quickPage.html?page=23786&external=2217661.proteus.fma)
I'm guessing Shalin didn't wait until marriage to kiss. If she had, it would have made the numerous stories about Colin's vow.