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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #700 on: December 05, 2012, 09:14:32 AM »
Seems like if you wanted to get really butthurt over a KSU KITN, this would be the thing to be butthurt over.

There's never been a freshman winner and only one defensive player nearly 20 years ago in the history of the award.  Yet one of those two guys is going to get it over Klein.


Of course I save my butthurt for where it matters:  John Currie killing men's bb.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #701 on: December 05, 2012, 09:19:08 AM »
A frosh or a LB winning is historic, so look at it this way...it's taking a historic Heisman year for Collin to not win. Same thing for Bishop in '98. Only reason he didn't win is because Ricky Williams. '03 is the one that grinds my gears, Sproles. Jason fricking the hobbit two bad knees gets rolled by K-State white, and chris perry finished ahead of him, ridiculous.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #702 on: December 05, 2012, 09:21:38 AM »
Do you know if they give out third place Heisman Trophy's/certificates of participation/banners? Need to know for Trophy master thread.
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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #703 on: December 05, 2012, 09:26:41 AM »
Do you know if they give out third place Heisman Trophy's/certificates of participation/banners? Need to know for Trophy master thread.

yes. its called they buy you plane tickets to NYC

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #704 on: December 05, 2012, 09:26:56 AM »
Klein would have the Heisman if we played one of our first games on a baseball field again.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #705 on: December 05, 2012, 09:29:45 AM »
I really do wonder just what exactly the people who have ballots are supposed to use as their criteria.  Everyone keeps pointing to McLovin's numbers.  Okay, let's explore that.  So, we'll operate on the assumption that stats are really important.  Okay, by that argument, any QB in a high tempo throw first spread offense already has a leg up.  The SEC is basically already eliminated because that's not the way they play.  You'd pretty much be forced to give the trophy to any QB coached by Mike Leach who is more likely pass on 4th and inches than he is to run it. 
Okay, well we definitely don't want that, so let's move back towards that most valuable player to his team thought.  Is Johnny Hates Jews the most valuable most valuable player to his team?  I dunno...maybe its easier to forget the early games in the season, maybe those games don't matter, but having had watched both of those games (well before CK was really a contender b/c at the time Geno wasn't in perpetual frown mode) i really thought Johnny No Blacks made plenty of mistakes in both the Florida and LSU games that led to those losses...including pivotal game changing INTs against LSU that directly lead to LSU putting points on the board.

i guess my point is there is no point.  there is no hard and fast guidelines just like there is no smoking gun to say this is why you win or lose the heisman because there will always be exceptions for both the current candidates and previous winners.  Bottom line CK will almost assuredly be left out from an award he very richly deserves, but to try to make sense of it is kind of pointless.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #706 on: December 05, 2012, 09:44:23 AM »
Klein would have the Heisman if we played one of our first games on a baseball field again.
He didn't wear those arm tights in the last game so that his elbows would be exposed and blood could spill everywhere. Don't let him fool you, he wanted that Heisman.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #707 on: December 05, 2012, 10:00:37 AM »
Man, the Heisman would have been nice. You have to admit.
I'd rather Klein win the Heisman than State win the Fiesta. Nobody GAS about bowl wins, just appearances (outside the NC obvz). Heisman is cremdelacrem of individual awards that can be show boated forever.
I once blew clove smoke in a guy's face that cut in front of me in the line to KJ's.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #708 on: December 05, 2012, 10:34:26 AM »
Klein would have the Heisman if we played one of our first games on a baseball field again.
He didn't wear those arm tights in the last game so that his elbows would be exposed and blood could spill everywhere. Don't let him fool you, he wanted that Heisman.

Ya but scabby elbows bleed much better than fresh "thin skin."

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #709 on: December 05, 2012, 10:55:07 AM »
Man, the Heisman would have been nice. You have to admit.
I'd rather Klein win the Heisman than State win the Fiesta. Nobody GAS about bowl wins, just appearances (outside the NC obvz). Heisman is cremdelacrem of individual awards that can be show boated forever.

I agree 100%.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #710 on: December 05, 2012, 10:56:25 AM »
If I had to choose, I'd rather have the Heisman. But I have to admit this is the first time I've cared about winning a bowl game. Mostly because I think it would have a long term effect on how people view our program if we could beat a flashy team like Oregon.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #711 on: December 05, 2012, 11:02:37 AM »
Hubert was 1st team All Big 12 with Randle, which surprised me. Brown, Williams, Zimmerman, Tannehill and Lucas were 1st team as well.

Cantele, Harper, Davis, and Lutui were 2nd team.


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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #712 on: December 05, 2012, 11:05:46 AM »
It may be a bit different this year because the field isn't as deep, but IMO the reactionary nature of the Heisman isn't a lot different than many other years. Not really different than most other national awards really in many ways the Heisman is just more strange because of the large group of voters that come from broad backgrounds. We're just closer to the Heisman stuff this year because we have a player in the discussion and a finalist.

The Heisman has been a joke since ESPN heavily invested in it about 15-20 years ago and devoted significant air time telling people who to vote for.  Its an award that is predicated on hype and generating ratings and ad revenue.  Its literally the only sporting award in the entire world that uses television ratings as a measuring stick.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #713 on: December 05, 2012, 11:06:21 AM »
Hubert was 1st team All Big 12 with Randle, which surprised me. Brown, Williams, Zimmerman, Tannehill and Lucas were 1st team as well.

Cantele, Harper, Davis, and Lutui were 2nd team.



link? Harper 2nd team, damn.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #714 on: December 05, 2012, 11:09:54 AM »
Hubert was 1st team All Big 12 with Randle, which surprised me. Brown, Williams, Zimmerman, Tannehill and Lucas were 1st team as well.

Cantele, Harper, Davis, and Lutui were 2nd team.



link? Harper 2nd team, damn.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205820514&DB_OEM_ID=10410

Harper 2nd team is amazing considering the numbers of the 3 guys who made the 1st team

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #715 on: December 05, 2012, 11:11:16 AM »
Hubert was 1st team All Big 12 with Randle, which surprised me. Brown, Williams, Zimmerman, Tannehill and Lucas were 1st team as well.

Cantele, Harper, Davis, and Lutui were 2nd team.



link? Harper 2nd team, damn.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205820514&DB_OEM_ID=10410

Harper 2nd team is amazing considering the numbers of the 3 guys who made the 1st team

yeah, it was more of a "damn" at how good those guys were.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #716 on: December 05, 2012, 11:12:38 AM »
we also didn't have a first or second team PR/KR.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #717 on: December 05, 2012, 11:13:23 AM »
Weird. Meant to post it in the Awards thread. My bad.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #718 on: December 05, 2012, 11:30:56 AM »
Funny how Johnny Fake ID gets SEC player of the year and ESPN splashes it on there website. Big 12 players of the year have yet to be put up. (butt hurt post)
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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #719 on: December 05, 2012, 11:33:11 AM »
I'm pretty butt-hurt about all of this.
I once blew clove smoke in a guy's face that cut in front of me in the line to KJ's.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #720 on: December 05, 2012, 11:35:02 AM »
As fans, we'll need to continue to find ways to keep the chip on our shoulder.  This is great for that. 

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #721 on: December 05, 2012, 11:55:15 AM »
Lol at all you negative nancys.  It's between Klien and Te'o.  This thing is in the bag.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #722 on: December 05, 2012, 11:55:49 AM »
As fans, we'll need to continue to find ways to keep the chip on our shoulder.  This is great for that. 

Is it? I see pros and cons. Usually depending on who I feel like arguing with.

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #723 on: December 05, 2012, 11:56:46 AM »
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Updated Heisman odds from @DannySheridan1: Johnny Manziel 1:10, Manti Te'o 3:1, Collin Klein 100:1

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Re: Official Klein for Heisman (Kleinsman) Thread
« Reply #724 on: December 05, 2012, 11:57:21 AM »
As fans, we'll need to continue to find ways to keep the chip on our shoulder.  This is great for that. 

Is it? I see pros and cons. Usually depending on who I feel like arguing with.

I don't love having a chip, I'd rather be arrogant.