Memorial Stadium in Lawrence blows

[LickNeckey]

EA Sports called KU's stadium one of the most picturesque settings in all of college football in NCAA Football '12.

 

[GoodForAnother]

I mean, the Langston Hughes.

[OregonSmock]

Yeah, KU lost money on football those years because our football team sucked.  Yet, we still brought home more bacon than K-State (even while K-State was going to the Cotton/Fiesta Bowl).  When KU finally gets its crap together in football, the spread won't even be close.  In '08, KU was top 10 in the country in total athletic department revenue.

what makes you think that the times are changing? I honestly want to know not talking crap

I've heard Heaps would have started last year if he was eligible, and he had a great spring game with like 260 yards passing and 4 TD's.  KU has playmakers in the backfield with Pierson and Sims and we've upgraded several positions thanks to recruiting.  Marquel Combs was the #1 juco prospect in the country last year and should start from day one.  The strength and conditioning program has improved exponentially and the players are finally learning Weis' system.  I'm not saying that KU will be competing for a Big 12 title or anything next year, but I'd be somewhat surprised if we went 1-11 again.

[felix rex]

Yeah, KU lost money on football those years because our football team sucked.  Yet, we still brought home more bacon than K-State (even while K-State was going to the Cotton/Fiesta Bowl).  When KU finally gets its crap together in football, the spread won't even be close.  In '08, KU was top 10 in the country in total athletic department revenue.

what makes you think that the times are changing? I honestly want to know not talking crap

I've heard Heaps would have started last year if he was eligible, and he had a great spring game with like 260 yards passing and 4 TD's.  KU has playmakers in the backfield with Pierson and Sims and we've upgraded several positions thanks to recruiting.  Marquel Combs was the #1 juco prospect in the country last year and should start from day one.  The strength and conditioning program has improved exponentially and the players are finally learning Weis' system.  I'm not saying that KU will be competing for a Big 12 title or anything next year, but I'd be somewhat surprised if we went 1-11 again.

Beems, I'm on your side in this thread for whatever reason, but I just have to say:

1) Carson Coffman passed for 700 yards or something in a spring game.
2) Pierson and Sims are legit.
3) The history of #1 Juco prospects in journal is not encouraging
4)S&C talk are spring time staples at every school, but 2nd year in the system is a solid talking point.

[kslim]

Yeah, KU lost money on football those years because our football team sucked.  Yet, we still brought home more bacon than K-State (even while K-State was going to the Cotton/Fiesta Bowl).  When KU finally gets its crap together in football, the spread won't even be close.  In '08, KU was top 10 in the country in total athletic department revenue.

what makes you think that the times are changing? I honestly want to know not talking crap

I've heard Heaps would have started last year if he was eligible, and he had a great spring game with like 260 yards passing and 4 TD's.  KU has playmakers in the backfield with Pierson and Sims and we've upgraded several positions thanks to recruiting.  Marquel Combs was the #1 juco prospect in the country last year and should start from day one.  The strength and conditioning program has improved exponentially and the players are finally learning Weis' system.  I'm not saying that KU will be competing for a Big 12 title or anything next year, but I'd be somewhat surprised if we went 1-11 again.

to add on to felix's post, what have you seen that makes you think charlies system will work. i get that you are recruiting better but that doesnt matter if the coach cant coach. as we all saw with the dancing cowboy

[deputy dawg]

I'm on board with team Smock on this one.  Heaps is a beast, Weis out-Snydered Snyder on the Juco circuit, and their S&C program is making monsters out of the players.  TSC, Beems, TSC, I'm all RCJH right now. 

[felix rex]

Weis isn't a complete dumpster fire of a coach. I can see him having 7-8 wins kind of success on a more or less regular basis, with a few ups and downs thrown in. And KU did recruit good. And there's no reason that Heaps can't be an Arthur Brown type instead of a Dayne Crist type. Also, he has an actual good receiver this year. And those are srsly legit RBs.

[420seriouscat69]

Hey, Beams! What was your athletic year like back in '08? I'm really interested to know?

[OregonSmock]

Weis isn't a complete dumpster fire of a coach. I can see him having 7-8 wins kind of success on a more or less regular basis, with a few ups and downs thrown in. And KU did recruit good. And there's no reason that Heaps can't be an Arthur Brown type instead of a Dayne Crist type. Also, he has an actual good receiver this year. And those are srsly legit RBs.

Thanks, felix (and other TSC brothers).  The one thing I will say is that KU's improvement is relative to the rest of the Big 12.  KU could improve next year and still end up going 2-10/3-9 because the rest of the Big 12 is just that much better to begin with.  It's a tough time to be in rebuilding mode if you're a team in this conference.

[PowercatPat]

Going back and reading Beems' posts in this thread is well worth it. Great entertainment if you're bored at work or in class.

[pissclams]

langston hughes loved ku so much he attended columbia college

also, i doubt he would have written this -

"I was unhappy for a long time, and very lonesome, living with my grandmother. Then it was that books began to happen to me, and I began to believe in nothing but books and the wonderful world in books — where if people suffered, they suffered in beautiful language, not in monosyllables, as we did in Kansas"

[420seriouscat69]

I can't wait for the Jake Heaps Stuff Thread:

[sonofdaxjones]

KU "being in the top 10 was in Revenue" was an anomaly, ku FY 2008 to FY 2009 year over year gross and net revenue dropped significantly and that's with KU football still riding an Orange Bowl High with good ticket sales. 

Gross KU Football Revenue at Orange Bowl peak was almost exactly equal to K-State's Football Revenue with Ron Prince as coach. 

KU had 2 years with Mangino and another Final Four post 2008 and never even sniffed FY 2008 Gross Revenues.   

[OregonSmock]

KU "being in the top 10 was in Revenue" was an anomaly, ku FY 2008 to FY 2009 year over year gross and net revenue dropped significantly and that's with KU football still riding an Orange Bowl High with good ticket sales. 

Gross KU Football Revenue at Orange Bowl peak was almost exactly equal to K-State's Football Revenue with Ron Prince as coach. 

KU had 2 years with Mangino and another Final Four post 2008 and never even sniffed FY 2008 Gross Revenues.   

A BCS Bowl alone probably adds about $5-10 million in gross revenue.  Then you factor in a national title in hoops, and yeah, '07-08 was a good year to be a Jayhawk.  If and when KU gets it going again in football, the total revenue numbers will be back to the $85-90 million range. 

[bubbles4ksu]

how much is the home football game against ksu worth to the ku athletic department? i would say around $5 million.

[420seriouscat69]

lol. Beems is so predictable.

[eastcat]

It's funny how everything pro-KU and anti-KSU is a "When" as if it is some set date in the future. 

Stereotypical denial

[420seriouscat69]

how much is the home football game against ksu worth to the ku athletic department? i would say around $5 million.

They've had like 30 of them in the past 5 years. The big 12 is trying to help, but KU doesn't want it.

[ben ji]

Yeah, KU lost money on football those years because our football team sucked.  Yet, we still brought home more bacon than K-State (even while K-State was going to the Cotton/Fiesta Bowl).  When KU finally gets its crap together in football, the spread won't even be close.  In '08, KU was top 10 in the country in total athletic department revenue.

what makes you think that the times are changing? I honestly want to know not talking crap

I've heard Heaps would have started last year if he was eligible, and he had a great spring game with like 260 yards passing and 4 TD's.  KU has playmakers in the backfield with Pierson and Sims and we've upgraded several positions thanks to recruiting.  Marquel Combs was the #1 juco prospect in the country last year and should start from day one.  The strength and conditioning program has improved exponentially and the players are finally learning Weis' system.  I'm not saying that KU will be competing for a Big 12 title or anything next year, but I'd be somewhat surprised if we went 1-11 again.

3) The history of #1 Juco prospects in journal is not encouraging

Is Felix Rex just an elaborate fanning sock?

[OregonSmock]

It's funny how everything pro-KU and anti-KSU is a "When" as if it is some set date in the future. 

Stereotypical denial

Sports are cyclical.  Over a long-term period, both KU and K-State will have ups and downs.  Look no further than '04-'08 for KU and then the turnaround from '09-present for K-State.  If you haven't figured this out by now, you should probably stop following sports.

[felix rex]

Yeah, KU lost money on football those years because our football team sucked.  Yet, we still brought home more bacon than K-State (even while K-State was going to the Cotton/Fiesta Bowl).  When KU finally gets its crap together in football, the spread won't even be close.  In '08, KU was top 10 in the country in total athletic department revenue.

what makes you think that the times are changing? I honestly want to know not talking crap

I've heard Heaps would have started last year if he was eligible, and he had a great spring game with like 260 yards passing and 4 TD's.  KU has playmakers in the backfield with Pierson and Sims and we've upgraded several positions thanks to recruiting.  Marquel Combs was the #1 juco prospect in the country last year and should start from day one.  The strength and conditioning program has improved exponentially and the players are finally learning Weis' system.  I'm not saying that KU will be competing for a Big 12 title or anything next year, but I'd be somewhat surprised if we went 1-11 again.

3) The history of #1 Juco prospects in journal is not encouraging

Is Felix Rex just an elaborate fanning sock?

Your mom is a sock and I'm the foot.

[sonofdaxjones]

KU "being in the top 10 was in Revenue" was an anomaly, ku FY 2008 to FY 2009 year over year gross and net revenue dropped significantly and that's with KU football still riding an Orange Bowl High with good ticket sales. 

Gross KU Football Revenue at Orange Bowl peak was almost exactly equal to K-State's Football Revenue with Ron Prince as coach. 

KU had 2 years with Mangino and another Final Four post 2008 and never even sniffed FY 2008 Gross Revenues.   

A BCS Bowl alone probably adds about $5-10 million in gross revenue.  Then you factor in a national title in hoops, and yeah, '07-08 was a good year to be a Jayhawk.  If and when KU gets it going again in football, the total revenue numbers will be back to the $85-90 million range.

You don't really understand how the Conference splits bowl revenue.  Sadly, a BCS Bowl for a Big 12 team is worth no where near $5 to $10 million for the participating Big 12 team, particularly after expenses.   A trip to the Final Four only increases a schools take in the NCAA formula which in the case of the Big 12, flows through the conference office first. 

 

[eastcat]

It's funny how everything pro-KU and anti-KSU is a "When" as if it is some set date in the future. 

Stereotypical denial

Sports are cyclical.  Over a long-term period, both KU and K-State will have ups and downs.  Look no further than '04-'08 for KU and then the turnaround from '09-present for K-State.  If you haven't figured this out by now, you should probably stop following sports.

Per your logic we should expect KU Basketball to fall off any day now..? Amirite?

[sonofdaxjones]

KU "being in the top 10 was in Revenue" was an anomaly, ku FY 2008 to FY 2009 year over year gross and net revenue dropped significantly and that's with KU football still riding an Orange Bowl High with good ticket sales. 

Gross KU Football Revenue at Orange Bowl peak was almost exactly equal to K-State's Football Revenue with Ron Prince as coach. 

KU had 2 years with Mangino and another Final Four post 2008 and never even sniffed FY 2008 Gross Revenues.   

A BCS Bowl alone probably adds about $5-10 million in gross revenue.  Then you factor in a national title in hoops, and yeah, '07-08 was a good year to be a Jayhawk.  If and when KU gets it going again in football, the total revenue numbers will be back to the $85-90 million range.

[OregonSmock]

KU "being in the top 10 was in Revenue" was an anomaly, ku FY 2008 to FY 2009 year over year gross and net revenue dropped significantly and that's with KU football still riding an Orange Bowl High with good ticket sales. 

Gross KU Football Revenue at Orange Bowl peak was almost exactly equal to K-State's Football Revenue with Ron Prince as coach. 

KU had 2 years with Mangino and another Final Four post 2008 and never even sniffed FY 2008 Gross Revenues.   

A BCS Bowl alone probably adds about $5-10 million in gross revenue.  Then you factor in a national title in hoops, and yeah, '07-08 was a good year to be a Jayhawk.  If and when KU gets it going again in football, the total revenue numbers will be back to the $85-90 million range.

You don't really understand how the Conference splits bowl revenue.  Sadly, a BCS Bowl for a Big 12 team is worth no where near $5 to $10 million for the participating Big 12 team, particularly after expenses.   A trip to the Final Four only increases a schools take in the NCAA formula which in the case of the Big 12, flows through the conference office first. 

 

I fully understand how the BCS payout system works.  KU made at least $5 million in merchandise sales and BCS payouts from that '08 Orange Bowl.  Our total athletic revenue that year was around $85 million, which is about $15 million more than the average.