Author Topic: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread (Read 242941 times)

steve dave · « **Reply #475 on:** April 25, 2012, 07:57:19 AM »

blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results

kso_FAN · « **Reply #476 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:02:03 AM »

Quote from: michigancat on April 25, 2012, 07:48:19 AM

#notimpossibletobelieve
#nosotroscreemos
#ourtime

I also think oscar has enough of a track record, unlike the last 25 years of Royals baseball. Please don't put examples in my post that I did not mean.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #477 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:02:55 AM »

What is "contend"? In the hunt going down the stretch, within a certain number of games? What?

pissclams · « **Reply #478 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:03:40 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 07:57:19 AM

blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results

people liked frank more than they liked his basketball

steve dave · « **Reply #479 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:05:24 AM »

Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:03:40 AM

Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 07:57:19 AM
blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results

people liked frank more than they liked his basketball

yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.

Cire · « **Reply #480 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:05:36 AM »

contend means that you are within a game or two of a conference title heading in to the last 2 weeks of the reg season.

If you are 3 games out with 4 games left you aren't contending. If you get swept by the leader, you aren't contending.

Frank Never contended fwiw.

Cire · « **Reply #481 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:09:43 AM »

It's going to take less than 4 losses to win the big 12 most years. If you have 3 losses heading into Webruary you aren't contending.

pissclams · « **Reply #482 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:10:41 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 08:05:24 AM

Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:03:40 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 07:57:19 AM
blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results

people liked frank more than they liked his basketball

yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.

not sure why you said yeah and then disagreed with me. weird bbs strat.

steve dave · « **Reply #483 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:11:57 AM »

Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:10:41 AM

Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 08:05:24 AM
Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:03:40 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 07:57:19 AM
blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results

people liked frank more than they liked his basketball

yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.

not sure why you said yeah and then disagreed with me. weird bbs strat.

sarcastic yeah to make you look like a dumbass :face:

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #484 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:13:08 AM »

the elite 8 run and other tournament wins had a lot to do with it too. if that elite 8 team would've lost in the first round then people would've had a different overall opinion imo. that was pretty significant. i mean frank took over a program that hadn't been to the tournament in like fifteen years and almost got them to a final four almost immediately.

pissclams · « **Reply #485 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:13:59 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 08:11:57 AM

Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:10:41 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 08:05:24 AM
Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:03:40 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 07:57:19 AM
blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results

people liked frank more than they liked his basketball

yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.

not sure why you said yeah and then disagreed with me. weird bbs strat.

sarcastic yeah to make you look like a dumbass :face:

oh man, sick burn bro.

so anyway, you're wrong. but a++ sarcasm!

steve dave · « **Reply #486 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:15:27 AM »

except I'm not. Frank had a ridiculous amount of high level wins. they were fun as crap. and a ton of them were on the road making them even more ridiculous. then nobody cared as much when we get swept by the CUs and OUs of the world.

pissclams · « **Reply #487 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:17:56 AM »

yosh · « **Reply #488 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:19:31 AM »

It's a loaded question because bill self owns first place in this conference.

Fwiw, I would bet weber would win a 5th conference title before Frank ever wins one at all...though I don't think either is very likely.

Also would bet weber would have an overall losing record before Frank would...so there's that.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #489 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:22:11 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 08:05:24 AM

Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:03:40 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 07:57:19 AM
blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results

people liked frank more than they liked his basketball

yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.

FWIW, oscar was 10-30 against Top 10 kenpom teams over his career at Illinois. 6 of those wins came in the last 4 years. Frank was 9-15 against kenpom Top 10.

oscar wasn't quite as good with these types of wins or winning on the road (won a third of the time on the road), but he also wasn't horrible at either.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #490 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:22:49 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 08:15:27 AM

except I'm not. Frank had a ridiculous amount of high level wins. they were fun as crap. and a ton of them were on the road making them even more ridiculous. then nobody cared as much when we get swept by the CUs and OUs of the world.

If you believed the "playing to our seed" talking point, than all Frankites should have been devastated by the choke job of 3 (really 4) home conference games. If things held true to form, those choke jobs cost K-State, and Frankites everywhere a second NCAA weekend and at least one more week with Frank.

pissclams · « **Reply #491 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:25:44 AM »

it doesn't matter how he does it = frank

it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber

the butthurts are so lost right now.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #492 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:26:50 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on April 25, 2012, 08:22:11 AM

Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 08:05:24 AM
Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:03:40 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 07:57:19 AM
blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results

people liked frank more than they liked his basketball

yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.

FWIW, oscar was 10-30 against Top 10 kenpom teams over his career at Illinois. 6 of those wins came in the last 4 years. Frank was 9-15 against kenpom Top 10.

oscar wasn't quite as good with these types of wins or winning on the road (won a third of the time on the road), but he also wasn't horrible at either.

10-30 is horrible compared to 9-15, fwiw.

steve dave · « **Reply #493 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:26:58 AM »

Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:25:44 AM

it doesn't matter how he does it = frank

it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber

good descripto

steve dave · « **Reply #494 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:27:46 AM »

Quote from: Nuts Kicked on April 25, 2012, 08:26:50 AM

Quote from: ksu_FAN on April 25, 2012, 08:22:11 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 08:05:24 AM
Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:03:40 AM
Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 07:57:19 AM
blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results

people liked frank more than they liked his basketball

yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.

FWIW, oscar was 10-30 against Top 10 kenpom teams over his career at Illinois. 6 of those wins came in the last 4 years. Frank was 9-15 against kenpom Top 10.

oscar wasn't quite as good with these types of wins or winning on the road (won a third of the time on the road), but he also wasn't horrible at either.

10-30 is horrible compared to 9-15, fwiw.

yeah, was kind of surprised stats_FAN rolled that out there in the way he did

pissclams · « **Reply #495 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:29:47 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 08:26:58 AM

Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:25:44 AM
it doesn't matter how he does it = frank

it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber

good descripto

nice tap out, captain butthurt

kso_FAN · « **Reply #496 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:34:59 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 08:27:46 AM

yeah, was kind of surprised stats_FAN rolled that out there in the way he did

I didn't put it out there as a defense, the numbers are what they are. Frank's records against Top 10s (38%) and on the road (50%) are records that should have competed more often for conference titles honestly.

I was implying that oscar's records (25% Top 10s, 33% road) aren't terrible and can get teams to consistent NCAAs as long as you win at home and win most "should win" games.

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #497 on:** April 25, 2012, 08:50:59 AM »

Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:25:44 AM

it doesn't matter how he does it = frank

it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber

the butthurts are so lost right now.

me disliking oscar weber and the hiring of him has zero to do with frank. if travis ford would've left to take the south carolina job instead of frank and oklahoma state would've hired weber, i would've thought it was a trash hire just as much and it wouldn't have been because i was blinded by travis ford love. also, my liking of frank didn't cause oscar weber to finish ten games under .500 in conference over the past five years.

pissclams · « **Reply #498 on:** April 25, 2012, 09:00:40 AM »

Quote from: rick daris on April 25, 2012, 08:50:59 AM

Quote from: pissclams on April 25, 2012, 08:25:44 AM
it doesn't matter how he does it = frank

it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber

the butthurts are so lost right now.

me disliking oscar weber and the hiring of him has zero to do with frank. if travis ford would've left to take the south carolina job instead of frank and oklahoma state would've hired weber, i would've thought it was a trash hire just as much and it wouldn't have been because i was blinded by travis ford love and my liking of frank didn't cause oscar weber to finish ten games under .500 in conference over the past five years.

u mad bro?

pissclams · « **Reply #499 on:** April 25, 2012, 09:02:40 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on April 25, 2012, 08:34:59 AM

Quote from: steve dave on April 25, 2012, 08:27:46 AM
yeah, was kind of surprised stats_FAN rolled that out there in the way he did

I didn't put it out there as a defense, the numbers are what they are. Frank's records against Top 10s (38%) and on the road (50%) are records that should have competed more often for conference titles honestly.

I was implying that oscar's records (25% Top 10s, 33% road) aren't terrible and can get teams to consistent NCAAs as long as you win at home and win most "should win" games.

illinois (sp?) restricted oscar and held him back from being able to show what he can do. oscar isn't a b10 coach, imagine if frank had to coach against bo ryan every year. much different results.