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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 07, 2012, 05:34:31 PM
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Current Staff
HC - BW
AC - CL
AC - ???
AC - ???
DBO - ???
Other Dudes - DK, ???, ???, ???
Rumored:
Jerrence Howard - saw it on twitter from some guy, not staying at UI, not going to KU as many thought, doubt he's taking the year off
Anthony Beane - goEMAW tardfest created and destroyed this rumor
Zeigler - some guy who played at k-state for a couple of seasons 25 years ago, this is what passes as "k-state connections" at goEMAW, has a son who can ball
Price - some dood BW hauls around with him
oscar Pearl - I made this up, show cause would make it hard to recruit, dood is electric though
Any others?
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Zeigler - some guy who coached at k-state for 1 season 13 years ago, this is what passes as "k-state connections" at goEMAW, has a son who can ball
FYP
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Tyler Hughes.
I heard it from a parole officer.
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The real sugar dick never would have been this nice.
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Zeigler - some guy who coached at k-state for 1 season 13 years ago, this is what passes as "k-state connections" at goEMAW, has a son who can ball
FYP
Has been reported elsewhere on this site, but his son is going to Pittsburgh. Probably means we'll get him as an assistant.
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Zeigler - some guy who coached at k-state for 1 season 13 years ago, this is what passes as "k-state connections" at goEMAW, has a son who can ball
FYP
Has been reported elsewhere on this site, but his son is going to Pittsburgh. Probably means we'll get him as an assistant.
currie probably nixed it just like he did w/ leavitt. don't just go thinking you can hire any coach you want now kstate coaches. :nono:
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Rumblings oscar is test running potential assistant coaches at his house in the guest room to get a feel for them.
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Marcus Ziegler backed up Jeff Wires (pretty good player) in 90-91 season
If his kid is a player hire him
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Marcus Ziegler backed up Jeff Wires (pretty good player) in 90-91 season
If his kid is a player hire him
Yeah, I think that was the plan until the kid went to Pittsburgh.
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Tyler Hughes.
I heard it from a parole officer.
Can confirm that you are wrong :eye:
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so we are gonna have a collection of weberites that can't recruit, fantastic
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At the risk of being lukegladow, didn't see this posted yet...
http://www.illinihq.com/sports/illini-sports/mens-basketball/2012-04-09/klee-illinis-jimmy-price-accepts-k-state-offer.html (http://www.illinihq.com/sports/illini-sports/mens-basketball/2012-04-09/klee-illinis-jimmy-price-accepts-k-state-offer.html)
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At the risk of being lukegladow, didn't see this posted yet...
http://www.illinihq.com/sports/illini-sports/mens-basketball/2012-04-09/klee-illinis-jimmy-price-accepts-k-state-offer.html (http://www.illinihq.com/sports/illini-sports/mens-basketball/2012-04-09/klee-illinis-jimmy-price-accepts-k-state-offer.html)
Has Gottlieb worked out with him?
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Will he design his own death shirts?
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Oh, man... Jimmy Price?
Get ready for routinely having the weakest and worst conditioned players in the conference.
Which is fine because Weber's offense moves at a glacial pace...
And yet not fine because oscar weber frequently refuses to use his bench.
If I had a dollar for every game in which we gave up the lead to a less talented team at the end of the game because our players were totally gassed...
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Oh, man... Jimmy Price?
Get ready for routinely having the weakest and worst conditioned players in the conference.
Which is fine because Weber's offense moves at a glacial pace...
And yet not fine because oscar weber frequently refuses to use his bench.
If I had a dollar for every game in which we gave up the lead to a less talented team at the end of the game because our players were totally gassed...
good to hear.
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Oh, man... Jimmy Price?
Get ready for routinely having the weakest and worst conditioned players in the conference.
Which is fine because Weber's offense moves at a glacial pace...
And yet not fine because oscar weber frequently refuses to use his bench.
If I had a dollar for every game in which we gave up the lead to a less talented team at the end of the game because our players were totally gassed...
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Oh, man... Jimmy Price?
Get ready for routinely having the weakest and worst conditioned players in the conference.
Which is fine because Weber's offense moves at a glacial pace...
And yet not fine because oscar weber frequently refuses to use his bench.
If I had a dollar for every game in which we gave up the lead to a less talented team at the end of the game because our players were totally gassed...
score another one for team #horns. :party:
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Jerrance Howard will NOT be on the Illinois staff. No word on where he's going though.
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how many applicants were there? how many others did he interview? it sounds like weber abused the university's trust.
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would a guy like this be attainable for us if we threw a lot of money at them? Probably not now since we have Lowery, but if we didn't?
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/benford_tony00.html
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would a guy like this be attainable for us if we threw a lot of money at them? Probably not now since we have Lowery, but if we didn't?
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/benford_tony00.html
Would take. texas ties, awesome recruiter. No way we could get him though, right?
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would a guy like this be attainable for us if we threw a lot of money at them? Probably not now since we have Lowery, but if we didn't?
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/benford_tony00.html
Would take. texas ties, awesome recruiter. No way we could get him though, right?
Not now that we have Lowery. I don't know if we could get him even if we didn't have Lowery.
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A poorly conditioned team in this day and age is unacceptable and a fireable offense right there.
I remember watching Price on that show that was on ESPN when Knight was at TT and they had the walk-on tryouts. Unimpressive to say the least.
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A poorly conditioned team in this day and age is unacceptable and a fireable offense right there.
I remember watching Price on that show that was on ESPN when Knight was at TT and they had the walk-on try :sdeek:outs. Unimpressive to say the least.
On the court results would seem to indicate Jimmy Price is a terrible S&C coach.
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I am assuming, now that the tourny is played out(previous excuse), and we still don't have a staff, that we are hearing "no" a lot.
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I am assuming, now that the tourny is played out(previous excuse), and we still don't have a staff, that we are hearing "no" a lot.
Weird how "worst person in the world" Frank Martin had no problem luring his ENTIRE STAFF with him to SC and "best, most custardy puppy dog bubbles rainbow koala baby panda" oscar Weber can't get a flipping staff hired, outside of his failed former assistant and pansy "strength and conditioning" coach. Weird. Very, very weird.
If all these coaches think Weber is so great, why can't he get anyone to come coach with him?
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I am assuming, now that the tourny is played out(previous excuse), and we still don't have a staff, that we are hearing "no" a lot.
There is also another dead/no contact recruiting period until tomorrow.
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Isn't next week when AAU circuit opens up to coaches so could be a while.
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I am assuming, now that the tourny is played out(previous excuse), and we still don't have a staff, that we are hearing "no" a lot.
There is also another dead/no contact recruiting period until tomorrow.
Man, I hope this is the case. If so, we should see some announcements pretty much immediately I would think.
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I am assuming, now that the tourny is played out(previous excuse), and we still don't have a staff, that we are hearing "no" a lot.
Weird how "worst person in the world" Frank Martin had no problem luring his ENTIRE STAFF with him to SC and "best, most custardy puppy dog bubbles rainbow koala baby panda" oscar Weber can't get a flipping staff hired, outside of his failed former assistant and pansy "strength and conditioning" coach. Weird. Very, very weird.
If all these coaches think Weber is so great, why can't he get anyone to come coach with him?
Frank brainwashed them all. They only went out of intimidation and fear of being beaten.
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unless someone can show otherwise, i think it's pretty safe to assume that frank's assistants have no other options right now.
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It's a pretty well known fact that they were all suffering from Stockholm syndrome. The only option was to follow their abuser to South Carolina.
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not that i think he's abusive toward them. just that noting that the assistants followed him doesn't show that it's not the case that they wouldn't rather work for someone else. that's an awful point.
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Kellis Robinett ? @KellisRobinett
Keep an eye on Shawn Forrest, of North Texas, as a possible K-State assistant. He was in Manhattan today. Would bring Texas recruiting ties.
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Kellis Robinett ? @KellisRobinett
Keep an eye on Shawn Forrest, of North Texas, as a possible K-State assistant. He was in Manhattan today. Would bring Texas recruiting ties.
Maybe he can get this guy to transfer. I hears he's got skills and family values.
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Kellis Robinett ? @KellisRobinett
Keep an eye on Shawn Forrest, of North Texas, as a possible K-State assistant. He was in Manhattan today. Would bring Texas recruiting ties.
Everybody knows about Mitchell, but UNT also had a couple solid FR this year from DFW area in Chris Jones and Jordan Williams, that is until they were declared academically ineligible halfway thru the season.
Anyway, would take.
http://www.meangreensports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=1800&ATCLID=1505194
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Forest as the third assistant would be great. Hopeful for Howard as the 2nd assistant.
@Cole_Manbeck: Weber On the possibility of Jerrance Howard joining the staff. "Jerrance has a contract and he’s got to resolve that with Illinois."
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yes. I actually really like this as a third guy. Very well connected in Texas and very good at bringing in players at the levels he's coached. Would be interesting to him operate at the high major level.
Sys put a bit of a bug in my head with his comment about Howard. I'm not down on Howard, but I really like the idea of an equal canidate from a different region. I think Weber and Lowery should be able to recruit Indiana, Illinois and St. Louis. Forrest for Texas and JUCOs. Perhaps it's Ziegler for Michigan/California? Sys makes a lot of sense sometimes (most times). :bwpopcorn:
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Forrest recruited 2 guys who were academically ineligible, and you guys think Currie will let him come to K-State?
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Forest as the third assistant would be great. Hopeful for Howard as the 2nd assistant.
@Cole_Manbeck: Weber On the possibility of Jerrance Howard joining the staff. "Jerrance has a contract and he’s got to resolve that with Illinois."
Appears there's a little game of chicken between Illinois and Snacks then. Do they fire him or does he quit? Groce hired his last assistant today, Isaac Chew from Methzou. Illinois staff is full up. Perhaps in the process of negotiating some sort of buyout with Snacks. Hope so. He deserves to be treated with the utmost respect by Illinois.
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Forrest recruited 2 guys who were academically ineligible, and you guys think Currie will let him come to K-State?
They were both fully qualified out of HS.
They were declared ineligible because they didn't do the work their 1st semester at UNT.
Make sure the players go to class, I'm sure Currie will be all over that.
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lols.
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guys shawn forrest is growing on me
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KEEP YOUR FILTHY WHORE HANDS OFF OUR HEAD COACH-TO-BE.
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KEEP YOUR FILTHY WHORE HANDS OFF OUR HEAD COACH-TO-BE.
tastygreek, we love you here, can you tell us more about this guy?
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oh man
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:blah:
KEEP YOUR FILTHY WHORE HANDS OFF OUR HEAD COACH-TO-BE.
tastygreek, we love you here, can you tell us more about this guy?
Raging alcoholic. Suspected child molester. Ozzie Guillen's speechwriter. Former Bear Stearns executive. Witnessed fleeing the grassy knoll on assassination day.
Stay away. Stay far, far away.
Seriously: If Johnny Jones gets hired by LSU, he's my first choice to take over our program. Him interviewing with you guys makes me think he's been warned that he's not our AD's top choice. If we lose Jones and Forrest, we could very well tumble back into the dark ages...
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KEEP YOUR FILTHY WHORE HANDS OFF OUR HEAD COACH-TO-BE.
Oh man, I love the thought of a #burnitdown chain reaction. :excited:
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Thanks TTG
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Thanks TTG
He's a phenomenal recruiter. He was great at Arkansas State (landed Ryan Wedel there, Wedel bailed when Forrest left them for us) and he's been great for us. Tony Mitchell has repeatedly referred to him as "Dad", and he's our primary point of contact in Dallas AAU and high school scene. We did pretty well for ourselves recruiting before he came along (most everyone on the team that you saw in the tournament predated Forrest's arrival), but he's got us on the radar of guys like T-Mitch and Keith Frazier.
It looks more and more like JJ is on his way to LSU. If we lose him and then Forrest leaves, too... I may not make it up for Preseason NIT because I'll have hung myself from despair.
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My god if he can pull mid major guards from minneapolis kansas to arkansas state imagine what he can do for us!
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Thanks TTG
He's a phenomenal recruiter. He was great at Arkansas State (landed Ryan Wedel there, Wedel bailed when Forrest left them for us) and he's been great for us. Tony Mitchell has repeatedly referred to him as "Dad", and he's our primary point of contact in Dallas AAU and high school scene. We did pretty well for ourselves recruiting before he came along (most everyone on the team that you saw in the tournament predated Forrest's arrival), but he's got us on the radar of guys like T-Mitch and Keith Frazier.
It looks more and more like JJ is on his way to LSU. If we lose him and then Forrest leaves, too... I may not make it up for Preseason NIT because I'll have hung myself from despair.
TTG will you be coming to Manhattan for our football game? You can crash at my place.
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TTG will you be coming to Manhattan for our football game? You can crash at my place.
I've already been to Manhattan twice for football. I've run out of nuts for you fuckers to kick.
On the basketball front, though- We've been planning on making the NIT games for almost a month now. Until last week, I felt pretty good about our chances.
Now... If we lose Forrest to you guys? It might be too painful. Like traveling to the wedding between your soul mate and some lawn mowing simpleton who destroyed a once-proud Big 10 program.
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TTG will you be coming to Manhattan for our football game? You can crash at my place.
I've already been to Manhattan twice for football. I've run out of nuts for you fuckers to kick.
On the basketball front, though- We've been planning on making the NIT games for almost a month now. Until last week, I felt pretty good about our chances.
Now... If we lose Forrest to you guys? It might be too painful. Like traveling to the wedding between your soul mate and some lawn mowing simpleton who destroyed a once-proud Big 10 program.
You are the best.
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A guy that calls out the refs on a twitter tirade of the same magnitude of a drunk FakeDanBeebe, and who is also a guy with the sketchy enough morals, loose enough ethics, and ability to bagman to Tony Mitchell, is def a guy I want on staff.
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A guy that calls out the refs on a twitter tirade of the same magnitude of a drunk FakeDanBeebe, and who is also a guy with the sketchy enough morals, loose enough ethics, and ability to bagman to Tony Mitchell, is def a guy I want on staff.
Agreed. Would be a very nice catch.
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A guy that calls out the refs on a twitter tirade of the same magnitude of a drunk FakeDanBeebe, and who is also a guy with the sketchy enough morals, loose enough ethics, and ability to bagman to Tony Mitchell, is def a guy I want on staff.
hiring this guy would be the first smile I would have for cat hoops since March
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TTG will you be coming to Manhattan for our football game? You can crash at my place.
I've already been to Manhattan twice for football. I've run out of nuts for you fuckers to kick.
On the basketball front, though- We've been planning on making the NIT games for almost a month now. Until last week, I felt pretty good about our chances.
Now... If we lose Forrest to you guys? It might be too painful. Like traveling to the wedding between your soul mate and some lawn mowing simpleton who destroyed a once-proud Big 10 program.
:lol: Stick around TTG, I like your slick ways. Your a much more fun read than the crap from the buthurt Illinois fans. :cheers:
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Forest as the third assistant would be great. Hopeful for Howard as the 2nd assistant.
@Cole_Manbeck: Weber On the possibility of Jerrance Howard joining the staff. "Jerrance has a contract and he’s got to resolve that with Illinois."
Honestly, if the staff was Lowery, Howard, and Forrest, it would be fantastic.
I'd be interested to see who DOBO would be. Maybe that's where Jay Price fits in. I guess, from my reading, he and Weber are pretty tight, and he's not much of a recruiter, so who knows; it may be his best option.
Also, he went to KU, and he's from Oklahoma, so maybe he would like to get back to the area anyway. :dunno:
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TTG will you be coming to Manhattan for our football game? You can crash at my place.
I've already been to Manhattan twice for football. I've run out of nuts for you fuckers to kick.
On the basketball front, though- We've been planning on making the NIT games for almost a month now. Until last week, I felt pretty good about our chances.
Now... If we lose Forrest to you guys? It might be too painful. Like traveling to the wedding between your soul mate and some lawn mowing simpleton who destroyed a once-proud Big 10 program.
So great. Easily the best post since Black Saturday. TY TTG
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This was in Meek's article from yesterday.
The biggest thing for me is recruiting. There are some guys in the business that have Kansas State ties, but their recruiting backgrounds are so similar to us, I’m not sure that’s the best thing in the long run.
I'm assuming this may be why Beane hasn't been hired. BP last night said Beane is interested, so its possible that Beane reached out to Weber to gain interest, but Weber turned it down. I agree with the approach, the only Illinois based recruiter he should hire is Howard IMO.
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:EAGLESCREAM:
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This was in Meek's article from yesterday.
The biggest thing for me is recruiting. There are some guys in the business that have Kansas State ties, but their recruiting backgrounds are so similar to us, I’m not sure that’s the best thing in the long run.
I'm assuming this may be why Beane hasn't been hired. BP last night said Beane is interested, so its possible that Beane reached out to Weber to gain interest, but Weber turned it down. I agree with the approach, the only Illinois based recruiter he should hire is Howard IMO.
yep. agree with panja that a lowery, howard, forrest staff would be pretty great.
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This was in Meek's article from yesterday.
The biggest thing for me is recruiting. There are some guys in the business that have Kansas State ties, but their recruiting backgrounds are so similar to us, I’m not sure that’s the best thing in the long run.
I'm assuming this may be why Beane hasn't been hired. BP last night said Beane is interested, so its possible that Beane reached out to Weber to gain interest, but Weber turned it down. I agree with the approach, the only Illinois based recruiter he should hire is Howard IMO.
yep. agree with panja that a lowery, howard, forrest staff would be pretty great.
would definitely help win me over. if what comes w/ Forrest is half as good as that Twitter tirade ... omg :love:
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ballplayers says that Greg Grensing is campaigning for a ksu job. said that he couldn't follow Lon to OU because of some violation from way back or some crap.
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ballplayers says that Greg Grensing is campaigning for a ksu job. said that he couldn't follow Lon to OU because of some violation from way back or some crap.
42!
graduated from Southwest Texas State University in 1979
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ballplayers says that Greg Grensing is campaigning for a ksu job. said that he couldn't follow Lon to OU because of some violation from way back or some crap.
I saw Grensing in New Orleans hanging out with the Oregon staff sans Altman.
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ballplayers also rattled off a bunch of former ksu players that were great players who I love but need to stay the eff away from coaching my school that are begging for the job (beane, ro, etc.)
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also, gpc is trashing the potential forrest hire while campaigning for anthoney beane
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also, gpc is trashing the potential forrest hire while campaigning for anthoney beane
lol's
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ballplayers says that Greg Grensing is campaigning for a ksu job. said that he couldn't follow Lon to OU because of some violation from way back or some crap.
coach grensing used to rock a hell of a moustache. i think he got in trouble with the NCAA back when he worked for altman and was doing JUCO recruiting at KSU. phone calls or something, i can't remember but it's been like 20 years, i doubt that's what kept him from coaching at OU.
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also, gpc is trashing the potential forrest hire while campaigning for anthoney beane
:facepalm:
I would have to imagine that these morons would recognize the importance of having a recruiter with ties in Texas due to the fact that, in football, THEY ALWAYS SCREAM ABOUT HAVING GUYS WITH TIES IN TEXAS.
I hate them so much. So, so, so much.
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ballplayers says that Greg Grensing is campaigning for a ksu job. said that he couldn't follow Lon to OU because of some violation from way back or some crap.
coach grensing used to rock a hell of a moustache. i think he got in trouble with the NCAA back when he worked for altman and was doing JUCO recruiting at KSU. phone calls or something, i can't remember but it's been like 20 years, i doubt that's what kept him from coaching at OU.
ou is on probation, and couldn't hire anyone who had been named in NCAA violations.
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also, gpc is trashing the potential forrest hire while campaigning for anthoney beane
:facepalm:
I would have to imagine that these morons would recognize the importance of having a recruiter with ties in Texas due to the fact that, in football, THEY ALWAYS SCREAM ABOUT HAVING GUYS WITH TIES IN TEXAS.
I hate them so much. So, so, so much.
they are mainly mocking the hire because he's fron North Texas and that is apparently a bad school to get assistants from. on the brightside, multiple posters then chimed in that LHC Bill Snyder worked at North Texas and look where that got us. so, the tide may yet turn.
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also, gpc is trashing the potential forrest hire while campaigning for anthoney beane
:facepalm:
I would have to imagine that these morons would recognize the importance of having a recruiter with ties in Texas due to the fact that, in football, THEY ALWAYS SCREAM ABOUT HAVING GUYS WITH TIES IN TEXAS.
I hate them so much. So, so, so much.
they are mainly mocking the hire because he's fron North Texas and that is apparently a bad school to get assistants from. on the brightside, multiple posters then chimed in that LHC Bill Snyder worked at North Texas and look where that got us. so, the tide may yet turn.
:lol:
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ballplayers says that Greg Grensing is campaigning for a ksu job. said that he couldn't follow Lon to OU because of some violation from way back or some crap.
coach grensing used to rock a hell of a moustache. i think he got in trouble with the NCAA back when he worked for altman and was doing JUCO recruiting at KSU. phone calls or something, i can't remember but it's been like 20 years, i doubt that's what kept him from coaching at OU.
ou is on probation, and couldn't hire anyone who had been named in NCAA violations.
ah...well, he was a nice guy back when he worked for altman at ksu cats. seemed to really like rock-a-belly.
also, his nickname was reg rensing
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This was in Meek's article from yesterday.
The biggest thing for me is recruiting. There are some guys in the business that have Kansas State ties, but their recruiting backgrounds are so similar to us, I’m not sure that’s the best thing in the long run.
I'm assuming this may be why Beane hasn't been hired. BP last night said Beane is interested, so its possible that Beane reached out to Weber to gain interest, but Weber turned it down. I agree with the approach, the only Illinois based recruiter he should hire is Howard IMO.
yep. agree with panja that a lowery, howard, forrest staff would be pretty great.
Would make this hire almost tolerable. I'm getting my hopes up, but I don't know why I'm doing this to myself.
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This was in Meek's article from yesterday.
The biggest thing for me is recruiting. There are some guys in the business that have Kansas State ties, but their recruiting backgrounds are so similar to us, I’m not sure that’s the best thing in the long run.
I'm assuming this may be why Beane hasn't been hired. BP last night said Beane is interested, so its possible that Beane reached out to Weber to gain interest, but Weber turned it down. I agree with the approach, the only Illinois based recruiter he should hire is Howard IMO.
yep. agree with panja that a lowery, howard, forrest staff would be pretty great.
Would make this hire almost tolerable. I'm getting my hopes up, but I don't know why I'm doing this to myself.
I'm going with an evolutionary neurological defense mechanism, personally.
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I want to believe something good will happen, but I'm conditioned not to.
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This was in Meek's article from yesterday.
The biggest thing for me is recruiting. There are some guys in the business that have Kansas State ties, but their recruiting backgrounds are so similar to us, I’m not sure that’s the best thing in the long run.
I'm assuming this may be why Beane hasn't been hired. BP last night said Beane is interested, so its possible that Beane reached out to Weber to gain interest, but Weber turned it down. I agree with the approach, the only Illinois based recruiter he should hire is Howard IMO.
yep. agree with panja that a lowery, howard, forrest staff would be pretty great.
Would make this hire almost tolerable. I'm getting my hopes up, but I don't know why I'm doing this to myself.
I'm going with an evolutionary neurological defense mechanism, personally.
Congratulations, you're not alone!
http://grist.org/list/80-percent-of-humans-are-delusionally-optimistic-says-science/ (http://grist.org/list/80-percent-of-humans-are-delusionally-optimistic-says-science/)
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This was in Meek's article from yesterday.
The biggest thing for me is recruiting. There are some guys in the business that have Kansas State ties, but their recruiting backgrounds are so similar to us, I’m not sure that’s the best thing in the long run.
I'm assuming this may be why Beane hasn't been hired. BP last night said Beane is interested, so its possible that Beane reached out to Weber to gain interest, but Weber turned it down. I agree with the approach, the only Illinois based recruiter he should hire is Howard IMO.
yep. agree with panja that a lowery, howard, forrest staff would be pretty great.
This feels freaking good - I just can't get over the oscar. All the butthurt illini and all the crap they said!!! DAMNIT, this is what being a KSU fan is all about. :angry:
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http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/colleges/north-texas-headlines/20120413-notebook-unts-forrest-interviews-for-k-state-assistant-job.ece (http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/colleges/north-texas-headlines/20120413-notebook-unts-forrest-interviews-for-k-state-assistant-job.ece)
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http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/colleges/north-texas-headlines/20120413-notebook-unts-forrest-interviews-for-k-state-assistant-job.ece (http://www.dentonrc.com/sports/colleges/north-texas-headlines/20120413-notebook-unts-forrest-interviews-for-k-state-assistant-job.ece)
North Texas assistant basketball coach Shawn Forrest has interviewed for a similar position at Kansas State, a source close to the situation said Thursday afternoon.
:ksu:
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oscar Webber just confirmed he should have two more coaches added to the staff by tuesday "its just a matter of paperwork"
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Besides ex-K-State players, Howard and Forrest are the only names that have leaked, right? That makes me pretty excited.
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Besides ex-K-State players, Howard and Forrest are the only names that have leaked, right? That makes me pretty excited.
Yes. We've got our #DelonteHill2.0 now. What a great day.
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Besides ex-K-State players, Howard and Forrest are the only names that have leaked, right? That makes me pretty excited.
zeigler
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Besides ex-K-State players, Howard and Forrest are the only names that have leaked, right? That makes me pretty excited.
zeigler
tell me what i should want. what combo of these three should i choose for?
I think Howard and Zeigler but i trust in steve dave to tell me what to want
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Forrest and Howard.
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Forrest and Howard.
second best combo of the three is Zeigler and Forrest. Howard and Zeigler would be pretty redundant.
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Forrest and Howard.
second best combo of the three is Zeigler and Forrest. Howard and Zeigler would be pretty redundant.
Really? My first two choices would be Howard + whoever else
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Forrest and Howard.
second best combo of the three is Zeigler and Forrest. Howard and Zeigler would be pretty redundant.
Really? My first two choices would be Howard + whoever else
Forrest is the most important assistant addition now that we've already gotten Lowery. The last thing we need is our upper midwest HC hiring 3 upper midwest assistants. If it was up to me I'd fire Lowery, hire Howard/Forrest/Cali or East Coast Mys Assistant
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Forrest opens up Texas recruiting. Pretty big deal, especially considering that 5 of the 5* recruits in the 2013 class are from Texas.
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UNT poster on TOS saying Forrest has gone to LSU. :chainsaw:
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UNT poster on TOS saying Forrest has gone to LSU. :chainsaw:
that wouldn't be very good news. link to the thread mikey? you can post them here, we don't give a crap.
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UNT poster on TOS saying Forrest has gone to LSU. :chainsaw:
that wouldn't be very good news. link to the thread mikey? you can post them here, we don't give a crap.
http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=8903008
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THE PRICE IS RIGHT
Jay Price fills spot on Webers bench for pennies on the dollar
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UNT poster on TOS saying Forrest has gone to LSU. :chainsaw:
that wouldn't be very good news. link to the thread mikey? you can post them here, we don't give a crap.
http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=8903008
This isn't true at this point. He's still in the running for the UNT job.
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UNT poster on TOS saying Forrest has gone to LSU. :chainsaw:
that wouldn't be very good news. link to the thread mikey? you can post them here, we don't give a crap.
http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=8903008
This isn't true at this point. He's still in the running for the UNT job.
ha, I was gonna say that I read that Wake Forest's coach was hired, but I guess that's for the UNT estroball.
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If we don't get Forrest or Howard....
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If we don't get Forrest or Howard....
It feels like odds are pretty high that we'll get at least one of the two.
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well...it's tuesday...
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Welp, it appears that the infamous K-State sports coverage "cone of silence" has solidly been implemented, preventing any and all basketball related news from being reported with the exception of the Manhattan Mercury.
I realize FITZ and staff are sitting on this info, but it's perplexing that there isn't anything credible whatsoever pertaining to the final two staff members and the timeline?
In other news, D_Scott broke the story that Sean Lowe is a contestant on The Bachelorette.
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In other news, D_Scott broke the story that Sean Lowe is a contestant on The Bachelorette.
No, bringonthecats (the goEMAW poster, not the website) did. D.Scott ran with it.
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In other news, D_Scott broke the story that Sean Lowe is a contestant on The Bachelorette.
No, bringonthecats (the goEMAW poster, not the website) did. D.Scott ran with it.
Not surprising. D_Scott is really good at retweeting things.
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In other news, D_Scott broke the story that Sean Lowe is a contestant on The Bachelorette.
No, bringonthecats (the goEMAW poster, not the website) did. D.Scott ran with it.
Hence, proving that we (guys with limited connections) know more than D. Scott.
Except about sandwiches. He knows a good sandwich when he sees it.
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do they just not know how to go about getting this kind of information or are they just too lazy to try. i'm leaning towards both.
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do they just not know how to go about getting this kind of information or are they just too lazy to try. i'm leaning towards both.
I would say from my experience in Pitt that it's both of these and the fact that nobody ITK wants to tell them anything. I mean when a super pak'd fanning can walk up to a suit and get the story in 2 minutes, that tells you something.
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do they just not know how to go about getting this kind of information or are they just too lazy to try. i'm leaning towards both.
I would say from my experience in Pitt that it's both of these and the fact that nobody ITK wants to tell them anything. I mean when a super pak'd fanning can walk up to a suit and get the story in 2 minutes, that tells you something.
If D. Scott or Wallace walked up to you and asked for sensitive information, would you do it?
I'm leaning towards, uh, no.
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do they just not know how to go about getting this kind of information or are they just too lazy to try. i'm leaning towards both.
I would say from my experience in Pitt that it's both of these and the fact that nobody ITK wants to tell them anything. I mean when a super pak'd fanning can walk up to a suit and get the story in 2 minutes, that tells you something.
If D. Scott or Wallace walked up to you and asked for sensitive information, would you do it?
I'm leaning towards, uh, no.
:thumbs:
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do they just not know how to go about getting this kind of information or are they just too lazy to try. i'm leaning towards both.
Both. Twitter also appears to be one of their best sources. DJamer Ryan Wallace is very good at using twitter for his investigative reporting, for instance, because of his lack credibility and he's not very good with interacting socially with people. D_Scott appears to be mildly Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). FITZ simply doesn't seem to care. And Rob Cassidy appears to be the one that actually does any sort of substantive journalistic work.
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do they just not know how to go about getting this kind of information or are they just too lazy to try. i'm leaning towards both.
crap hit the fan with "It's Patterson!"
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And that leads us to Cole Manbeck. Thank God for Cole Manbeck.
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Cole Manbeck has been getting all the KState scoops lately
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Both. Twitter also appears to be one of their best sources. DJamer Ryan Wallace is very good at using twitter for his investigative reporting, for instance, because of his lack credibility and he's not very good with interacting socially with people. D_Scott appears to be mildly Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). FITZ simply doesn't seem to care. And Rob Cassidy appears to be the one that actually does any sort of substantive journalistic work.
The guy needs to go to Toastmasters. For God's sake, his presentation skills are atrocious AND HE HAS RECORDED SEGMENTS THAT HE CAN EDIT OUT ALL OF HIS MISTAKES AND CHOOSES NOT TO.
He can't write, he can't broadcast, and he's not funny. In my opinion, of all of the things that ever went wrong with that site, the final straw was Ryan Wallace. He was one of the biggest tipping points for me. I wasn't going to pay for a service that shoved that clown down my throat.
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Both. Twitter also appears to be one of their best sources. DJamer Ryan Wallace is very good at using twitter for his investigative reporting, for instance, because of his lack credibility and he's not very good with interacting socially with people. D_Scott appears to be mildly Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). FITZ simply doesn't seem to care. And Rob Cassidy appears to be the one that actually does any sort of substantive journalistic work.
The guy needs to go to Toastmasters. For God's sake, his presentation skills are atrocious AND HE HAS RECORDED SEGMENTS THAT HE CAN EDIT OUT ALL OF HIS MISTAKES AND CHOOSES NOT TO.
He can't write, he can't broadcast, and he's not funny. In my opinion, of all of the things that ever went wrong with that site, the final straw was Ryan Wallace. He was one of the biggest tipping points for me. I wasn't going to pay for a service that shoved that clown down my throat.
Don't forget the fact that on top of it all he's an arrogant prick. Don't get me wrong - I love it when talented people are arrogant pricks, but not terrible people who are terrible at everything in life like Ryan Wallace.
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He's also very lazy.
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Both. Twitter also appears to be one of their best sources. DJamer Ryan Wallace is very good at using twitter for his investigative reporting, for instance, because of his lack credibility and he's not very good with interacting socially with people. D_Scott appears to be mildly Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). FITZ simply doesn't seem to care. And Rob Cassidy appears to be the one that actually does any sort of substantive journalistic work.
The guy needs to go to Toastmasters. For God's sake, his presentation skills are atrocious AND HE HAS RECORDED SEGMENTS THAT HE CAN EDIT OUT ALL OF HIS MISTAKES AND CHOOSES NOT TO.
He can't write, he can't broadcast, and he's not funny. In my opinion, of all of the things that ever went wrong with that site, the final straw was Ryan Wallace. He was one of the biggest tipping points for me. I wasn't going to pay for a service that shoved that clown down my throat.
Don't forget the fact that on top of it all he's an arrogant prick. Don't get me wrong - I love it when talented people are arrogant pricks, but not terrible people who are terrible at everything in life like Ryan Wallace.
The condescension is so laughable from him. Just such a complete dumbass punk on so many levels.
He's like the polar opposite of Cassidy, who I really have grown to like.
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He's like the polar opposite of Cassidy, who I really have grown to like.
well, don't get too attached...
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He's like the polar opposite of Cassidy, who I really have grown to like.
well, don't get too attached...
NNNNNNOOO!!!!!!! :bawl:
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There was a time when Fitz and gopowercat were both really good; the best K-State sports news out there. Fitz did a ton of work and really is very knowledgable about football and basketball. His site was unique in a time whem most people still got their sports info with the morning paper. In the last several years the analysis part of the site and recruiting has definitely dropped off while K-State beat writers, etc have gotten much more involved with blogs and twitter (starting with J-Mart really) Things that used to be unique to gopowercat as far as immediate K-State info are now pretty common. I think part of that is also due to burning bridges with the Patterson deal and others, but alot is just not adjusting. Fitz leaves most of the work to his employees and a lot of that is not analysis or breaking news.
But it really doesn't have to change, most of the subscibers seem fine with how things are, many still get the print magazine. When you have several thousand (at least, nearly 2900 on line last month for their message board record) subscibers paying $100 a year or $10 a month I'm sure its easy to keep things as they are. Plus I'm sure new subscibers even out the people that stop subscribing, gopowercat is pretty set to be what it is.
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There was a time when Fitz and gopowercat were both really good; the best K-State sports news out there. Fitz did a ton of work and really is very knowledgable about football and basketball. His site was unique in a time whem most people still got their sports info with the morning paper. In the last several years the analysis part of the site and recruiting has definitely dropped off while K-State beat writers, etc have gotten much more involved with blogs and twitter (starting with J-Mart really) Things that used to be unique to gopowercat as far as immediate K-State info are now pretty common. I think part of that is also due to burning bridges with the Patterson deal and others, but alot is just not adjusting. Fitz leaves most of the work to his employees and a lot of that is not analysis or breaking news.
But it really doesn't have to change, most of the subscibers seem fine with how things are, many still get the print magazine. When you have several thousand (at least, nearly 2900 on line last month for their message board record) subscibers paying $100 a year or $10 a month I'm sure its easy to keep things as they are. Plus I'm sure new subscibers even out the people that stop subscribing, gopowercat is pretty set to be what it is.
it's frustrating though. i mean, i'd even be willing to pay the money if there was absolutely anything over there to pay for. there just isn't. hell, i have a log in that i can use to get on, but have not felt the need to go over there for anything in at least six months, probably closer to a year.
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Fitz and Kietz are fairly similar. Aggressive, hard working and eager in their professional infancy. Then, they both "made it."
Where do they go from here? Nowhere. They're both at the top. And they have no competition eating into their market. He has a respectably modest income flowing in ever month and this won't change anytime soon.
Fitz has no incentive to work harder. Why would he? Would any of us? If you got paid to produce a crap product and the consumer never asked questions, why would you work harder? Pretty simple economics.
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Fitz and Kietz are fairly similar. Aggressive, hard working and eager in their professional infancy. Then, they both "made it."
Where do they go from here? Nowhere. They're both at the top. And they have no competition eating into their market. He has a respectably modest income flowing in ever month and this won't change anytime soon.
Fitz has no incentive to work harder. Why would he? Would any of us? If you got paid to produce a crap product and the consumer never asked questions, why would you work harder? Pretty simple economics.
You sound like a lazy, uninspired, bad person.
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Fitz and Kietz are fairly similar. Aggressive, hard working and eager in their professional infancy. Then, they both "made it."
Where do they go from here? Nowhere. They're both at the top. And they have no competition eating into their market. He has a respectably modest income flowing in ever month and this won't change anytime soon.
Fitz has no incentive to work harder. Why would he? Would any of us? If you got paid to produce a crap product and the consumer never asked questions, why would you work harder? Pretty simple economics.
You sound like a lazy, uninspired, bad person.
All things considered, Belvis is right. Fitz has no incentive to improve his product because GPC has the market cornered, and the fact that he's affiliated with Rivals (which is the strongest of the recruiting services from a football standpoint) makes it unlikely GPC is going to lose any market share any time in the near future.
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I pay for it. You get alot from guys on the board who are plugged in. Sometimes Rob and Gates have stuff.
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I pay for it. You get alot from guys on the board who are plugged in. Sometimes Rob and Gates have stuff.
I don't pay for it, but I have a login. As far as I can tell, the people who are "plugged in" usually just get their info off of this board and repost it over there.
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Kietz is still interesting from time to time. Fitz seems is intersting, but only to point and laugh at.
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If bp posted more He's worth probably 3 dollars a month. but not 10.
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Fitz and Kietz are fairly similar. Aggressive, hard working and eager in their professional infancy. Then, they both "made it."
Where do they go from here? Nowhere. They're both at the top. And they have no competition eating into their market. He has a respectably modest income flowing in ever month and this won't change anytime soon.
Fitz has no incentive to work harder. Why would he? Would any of us? If you got paid to produce a crap product and the consumer never asked questions, why would you work harder? Pretty simple economics.
You sound like a lazy, uninspired, bad person.
All things considered, Belvis is right. Fitz has no incentive to improve his product because GPC has the market cornered, and the fact that he's affiliated with Rivals (which is the strongest of the recruiting services from a football standpoint) makes it unlikely GPC is going to lose any market share any time in the near future.
Ya, it's funny. Back in 04' when I was a day dreaming young pup "sports journalist" in Mass Comm 100, Fitz spoke to our class about his concerns. His biggest concern he told the class: "What will happen to my magazine sells the day Snyder retires? What will happen to GPC once the football team has a down year? ect.". To me, it sounded like a different Fitz back then. I respected him, did several interviews with him for radio/ch.8. Just never saw the day where I'd read fart/vodka/creepy jokes from him on twitter.
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I pay for it. You get alot from guys on the board who are plugged in. Sometimes Rob and Gates have stuff.
I don't pay for it, but I have a login. As far as I can tell, the people who are "plugged in" usually just get their info off of this board and repost it over there.
This. Nothing ever gets broke over. goEMAW is more ITK than all his posters combined.
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I honestly feel that Fitz thinks he is simply selling a portal to the rivals info and that anything else is cream.
Also, as far as bb goes, as soon as the first idiot starts talking about Spring Game, it gets enough other idiots interested in nothing but Spring Game and all of a sudden no one could give a crap about finding anything out about basketball. So the work that is done is to satisfy idiots with regard to football and basketball is forgotten.
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So... there's nothing new on the coaches. :blank:
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IceCreamMan on 810 now. Says wants to finalize staff by end of next wk. "Looking for right fit"
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I pay for it. You get alot from guys on the board who are plugged in. Sometimes Rob and Gates have stuff.
I don't pay for it, but I have a login. As far as I can tell, the people who are "plugged in" usually just get their info off of this board and repost it over there.
This. Nothing ever gets broke over. goEMAW is more ITK than all his posters combined.
Well if you're going to pay $10 a month you want to feel like there are ITK posters.
In fact there are ITK posters on GPC, they know about plumbers, mechanics, etc etc, but they don't know crap about basketball
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IceCreamMan on 810 now. Says wants to finalize staff by end of next wk. "Looking for right fit"
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Could anyone come up with a little chart showing all the different deadlines Bubbles McCustard has set and blown by regarding assembling a coaching staff by now? Seems like we're up to 4 or 5?
Maybe we could just do a consolidated Currie/McCustard lies thread?
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Relax, it's only Tuesday.
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Relax, it's only Tuesday.
The problem is last Friday, he said he anticipated the coaching staff would be in place by this Monday or Tuesday.
So, the longer this protracts, it leads me to believe that his top targets are not committing and he's moving on to back up plans.
In the case of Jerrance Howard, it only takes so much time to resolve a contract.
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maybe john currie isn't done playing pirates of the carribean on his carnival cruise so b-dub can't get anyone hired :dunno:
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Fitz and Kietz are fairly similar. Aggressive, hard working and eager in their professional infancy. Then, they both "made it."
Where do they go from here? Nowhere. They're both at the top. And they have no competition eating into their market. He has a respectably modest income flowing in ever month and this won't change anytime soon.
Fitz has no incentive to work harder. Why would he? Would any of us? If you got paid to produce a crap product and the consumer never asked questions, why would you work harder? Pretty simple economics.
You sound like a lazy, uninspired, bad person.
All things considered, Belvis is right. Fitz has no incentive to improve his product because GPC has the market cornered, and the fact that he's affiliated with Rivals (which is the strongest of the recruiting services from a football standpoint) makes it unlikely GPC is going to lose any market share any time in the near future.
Ya, it's funny. Back in 04' when I was a day dreaming young pup "sports journalist" in Mass Comm 100, Fitz spoke to our class about his concerns. His biggest concern he told the class: "What will happen to my magazine sells the day Snyder retires? What will happen to GPC once the football team has a down year? ect.". To me, it sounded like a different Fitz back then. I respected him, did several interviews with him for radio/ch.8. Just never saw the day where I'd read fart/vodka/creepy jokes from him on twitter.
I use to pay for that site, then realized that he didn't know crap anymore and I was paying for hoping one of the other posters would break something. I follow fitz on twitter and would say that his creepy jokes make it easy to not pay him for his site. I feel bad for Rob, maybe he will get one of those jobs he interviewed for and get away from the fat man.
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maybe john currie isn't done playing pirates of the carribean on his carnival cruise so b-dub can't get anyone hired :dunno:
ADJC: "oscar my man, welcome aboard!"
BW: "Hi John. Umm.. John, I'm a little bit concerned about that whole Frank Martin thing? I mean, I don't mean to be rufflin' any feathers here, but, well... how much authority will I have over the Basketball program."
"Oh you'll be just fine here buddy, don't you worry about it. I'm glad you brought it up though - here's a pen. I want you to take that and write down the names of a few guys you think might be good assistant coaches. When you're done with the list, go ahead and leave it on my desk. I'm going to go on a cruise now, so don't you go talking to any of the coaches or anything. In fact, when you're done with that list how about you go pick out a few options for your sideline dry-erase board for next season and... well hell, grab yourself some Freddy's, on the house!" says Currie as he pats BW on the shoulder and turns to walk away.
BW stares at his shoes a little, takes his hands out of his pockets them puts them back in a few times and says "Umm.. but John!?" with his voice cracking a little as he tries to raise it.
At first pretending not to hear, JC keeps walking, but when oscar awkwardly jogs to catch up with him JC does an exasperated sigh and turns around. "WHAT IS IT oscar?"
"Well, I'd really like to call a few guys, you know, just to see what they think, maybe do a little recruiting you know?"
"oscar, do you like chicken nuggets?"
"Yes John"
"Then don't call any coaches"
"But I..."
"DONT DO IT oscar"
"OH.. ok.. Hey John?"
"WHAT IS IT oscar???"
"Can I get a large chicken nuggets?"
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I use to pay for that site, then realized that he didn't know crap anymore and I was paying for hoping one of the other posters would break something.
And if there were more GPC subscribers like you, the GPC indifference would cease. But, there aren't more like you. You're in the minority. Every once in a long while you'll have a rebel question the quality of the "news" for which they pay. These minor insurrections are quickly snuffed out by the GPC loyalists who drink the swill. Too many of the subscribers suffer from the same laziness as their tireless leader.
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I pay for it. You get alot from guys on the board who are plugged in. Sometimes Rob and Gates have stuff.
I don't pay for it, but I have a login. As far as I can tell, the people who are "plugged in" usually just get their info off of this board and repost it over there.
This. Nothing ever gets broke over. goEMAW is more ITK than all his posters combined.
You may well be right. I used to follow you guys a little at the old site. It was a bit too rough for me at the time. I though most of the edgy humor was funny but I struggled with all the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) jokes (I have a daughter with special needs). Those a much less plentiful now, and I have thicker skin, but that was the main reason I could handle GPC and not come over here. I will freely admit that lots more bball info comes through goEMAW. I will let you know after a football season on goEMAW if I feel the same. If it turns out to be the case, I will certainly be full time switching. My wife will be happy to have the $9.95 a month.
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"oscar, do you like chicken nuggets?"
"Yes John"
"Then don't call any coaches"
"But I..."
"DONT DO IT oscar"
"OH.. ok.. Hey John?"
"WHAT IS IT oscar???"
"Can I get a large chicken nuggets?"
:lol:
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Relax, it's only Tuesday.
The problem is last Friday, he said he anticipated the coaching staff would be in place by this Monday or Tuesday.
So, the longer this protracts, it leads me to believe that his top targets are not committing and he's moving on to back up plans.
In the case of Jerrance Howard, it only takes so much time to resolve a contract.
Any chance fanning posted a pretty funny joke running back the DJDT food truck "relax, it's sunday" incident?
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I pay for it. You get alot from guys on the board who are plugged in. Sometimes Rob and Gates have stuff.
I don't pay for it, but I have a login. As far as I can tell, the people who are "plugged in" usually just get their info off of this board and repost it over there.
This. Nothing ever gets broke over. goEMAW is more ITK than all his posters combined.
You may well be right. I used to follow you guys a little at the old site. It was a bit too rough for me at the time. I though most of the edgy humor was funny but I struggled with all the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) jokes (I have a daughter with special needs). Those a much less plentiful now, and I have thicker skin, but that was the main reason I could handle GPC and not come over here. I will freely admit that lots more bball info comes through goEMAW. I will let you know after a football season on goEMAW if I feel the same. If it turns out to be the case, I will certainly be full time switching. My wife will be happy to have the $9.95 a month.
Catchup, I'm the V.P. of Member Relations.
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Relax, it's only Tuesday.
The problem is last Friday, he said he anticipated the coaching staff would be in place by this Monday or Tuesday.
So, the longer this protracts, it leads me to believe that his top targets are not committing and he's moving on to back up plans.
In the case of Jerrance Howard, it only takes so much time to resolve a contract.
Any chance fanning posted a pretty funny joke running back the DJDT food truck "relax, it's only sunday" incident?
:peek:
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Relax, it's only Tuesday.
The problem is last Friday, he said he anticipated the coaching staff would be in place by this Monday or Tuesday.
So, the longer this protracts, it leads me to believe that his top targets are not committing and he's moving on to back up plans.
In the case of Jerrance Howard, it only takes so much time to resolve a contract.
Any chance fanning posted a pretty funny joke running back the DJDT food truck "relax, it's sunday" incident?
:peek:
I mean, I doubt it. I think you were still as 'tarded as it gets back then.
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I pay for it. You get alot from guys on the board who are plugged in. Sometimes Rob and Gates have stuff.
I don't pay for it, but I have a login. As far as I can tell, the people who are "plugged in" usually just get their info off of this board and repost it over there.
This. Nothing ever gets broke over. goEMAW is more ITK than all his posters combined.
You may well be right. I used to follow you guys a little at the old site. It was a bit too rough for me at the time. I though most of the edgy humor was funny but I struggled with all the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) jokes (I have a daughter with special needs). Those a much less plentiful now, and I have thicker skin, but that was the main reason I could handle GPC and not come over here. I will freely admit that lots more bball info comes through goEMAW. I will let you know after a football season on goEMAW if I feel the same. If it turns out to be the case, I will certainly be full time switching. My wife will be happy to have the $9.95 a month.
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You may well be right. I used to follow you guys a little at the old site. It was a bit too rough for me at the time. I though most of the edgy humor was funny but I struggled with all the respect jokes (I have a daughter with special needs). Those a much less plentiful now, and I have thicker skin, but that was the main reason I could handle GPC and not come over here. I will freely admit that lots more bball info comes through goEMAW. I will let you know after a football season on goEMAW if I feel the same. If it turns out to be the case, I will certainly be full time switching. My wife will be happy to have the $9.95 a month.
Catchup, I'm the V.P. of Member Relations.
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Do I get a handjob or something?
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You may well be right. I used to follow you guys a little at the old site. It was a bit too rough for me at the time. I though most of the edgy humor was funny but I struggled with all the respect jokes (I have a daughter with special needs). Those a much less plentiful now, and I have thicker skin, but that was the main reason I could handle GPC and not come over here. I will freely admit that lots more bball info comes through goEMAW. I will let you know after a football season on goEMAW if I feel the same. If it turns out to be the case, I will certainly be full time switching. My wife will be happy to have the $9.95 a month.
Catchup, I'm the V.P. of Member Relations.
Do I get a handjob or something?
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and you wonder why your kid is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
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what on earth
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and you wonder why your kid is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
Dude...
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You may well be right. I used to follow you guys a little at the old site. It was a bit too rough for me at the time. I though most of the edgy humor was funny but I struggled with all the respect jokes (I have a daughter with special needs). Those a much less plentiful now, and I have thicker skin, but that was the main reason I could handle GPC and not come over here. I will freely admit that lots more bball info comes through goEMAW. I will let you know after a football season on goEMAW if I feel the same. If it turns out to be the case, I will certainly be full time switching. My wife will be happy to have the $9.95 a month.
Catchup, I'm the V.P. of Member Relations.
Do I get a handjob or something?
and you wonder why your kid is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)
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OK Cat I'm not sure your good at science.
:jerk: does not cause disabilities. BTW its autism not retardation so that you can be more specificin condescending. Eventually I will lose it and hope you get kidnapped and sodomized, but I'm not there yet.
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Relax, it's only Tuesday.
The problem is last Friday, he said he anticipated the coaching staff would be in place by this Monday or Tuesday.
So, the longer this protracts, it leads me to believe that his top targets are not committing and he's moving on to back up plans.
In the case of Jerrance Howard, it only takes so much time to resolve a contract.
Well, if Howard is going to SMU, and Forrest is really up for the UNT gig, that explains why we haven't heard anything.
I assume we're waiting on Forrest's status and what Howard plans on doing. If Howard goes to SMU, and Forrest gets the UNT job, we may end up moving down the totem pole a bit.
Which would obviously be a bad, bad thing.
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Relax, it's only Tuesday.
The problem is last Friday, he said he anticipated the coaching staff would be in place by this Monday or Tuesday.
So, the longer this protracts, it leads me to believe that his top targets are not committing and he's moving on to back up plans.
In the case of Jerrance Howard, it only takes so much time to resolve a contract.
Well, if Howard is going to SMU, and Forrest is really up for the UNT gig, that explains why we haven't heard anything.
I assume we're waiting on Forrest's status and what Howard plans on doing. If Howard goes to SMU, and Forrest gets the UNT job, we may end up moving down the totem pole a bit.
Which would obviously be a bad, bad thing.
Looking like it.
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Relax, it's only Tuesday.
The problem is last Friday, he said he anticipated the coaching staff would be in place by this Monday or Tuesday.
So, the longer this protracts, it leads me to believe that his top targets are not committing and he's moving on to back up plans.
In the case of Jerrance Howard, it only takes so much time to resolve a contract.
Well, if Howard is going to SMU, and Forrest is really up for the UNT gig, that explains why we haven't heard anything.
I assume we're waiting on Forrest's status and what Howard plans on doing. If Howard goes to SMU, and Forrest gets the UNT job, we may end up moving down the totem pole a bit.
Which would obviously be a bad, bad thing.
Looking like it.
Would take Zeigler and Forrest, though.
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I don't see why we would not have already named Zeigler if that was going to happen.
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I don't see why we would not have already named Zeigler if that was going to happen.
:dunno:
Maybe it was an either/or between Howard and Ziegler? Forrest and his Texas ties may be independent of that decision.
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I would be really disappointed if we didn't end up with Forrest, now that Howard is off the table.
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I can't wait for all the Weber supporters to start up the "he kept the whole team here. isn't that enough for you?" talking points after we miss out on Howard and Forrest.
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i guess weber wasn't lying when he said that he really had no idea who his staff would be during the presser. the best part was when people were all "guys, he's just waiting to offically hire them so they can go dirty recruit for a while". i mean yeah, oscar weber was doing that. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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OK Cat I'm not sure your good at science.
:jerk: does not cause disabilities. BTW its autism not retardation so that you can be more specificin condescending. Eventually I will lose it and hope you get kidnapped and sodomized, but I'm not there yet.
i'm not sure why you'd be offended by the word "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)" (it's a term, btw, not a joke). Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) refers to stupid people, like john currie or oscar weber, not to smart people that prefer not to interact with the retards of the world, like your daughter.
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Man, our BB prog is old yeller and we got rabies like a mother. These last two hires are going to be a wonderfully bullet-like release.
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We'll end up with Wooly type AC's, who would want to work for the squeeky little bastard anyhow
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I can't wait for all the Weber supporters to start up the "he kept the whole team here. isn't that enough for you?" talking points after we miss out on Howard and Forrest.
Forrest is going to be a candidate for the UNT HC job, so I feel pretty good about the thought that we're probably holding a spot for him (if he doesn't follow Jones to LSU).
The Howard thing was probably a surprise.
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I can't wait for all the Weber supporters to start up the "he kept the whole team here. isn't that enough for you?" talking points after we miss out on Howard and Forrest.
Forrest is going to be a candidate for the UNT HC job, so I feel pretty good about the thought that we're probably holding a spot for him (if he doesn't follow Jones to LSU).
The Howard thing was probably a surprise.
So at best, we are Forrest's 3rd option. Howard chose not to work with him. Has he called Dougie yet?
This is pathetic that he can't get a staff hired.
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butthurt over the expedition of hiring a staff is one of the best kinds of butthurt.
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I can't wait for all the Weber supporters to start up the "he kept the whole team here. isn't that enough for you?" talking points after we miss out on Howard and Forrest.
Forrest is going to be a candidate for the UNT HC job, so I feel pretty good about the thought that we're probably holding a spot for him (if he doesn't follow Jones to LSU).
The Howard thing was probably a surprise.
So at best, we are Forrest's 3rd option. Howard chose not to work with him. Has he called Dougie yet?
This is pathetic that he can't get a staff hired.
No one knows that for sure. I would say we are at worst his second option because becoming a D1 head coach is on a different level of decision making than deciding what program you'd like to be an assistant for.
He came and interviewed after Jones interviewed for LSU. So, if he was sure Johnny was going to get the LSU job and follow him, why would he have wasted his time coming here unless there was serious interest?
If I'm Forrest, and my bread and butter is Texas recruiting, maybe I'm wanting to stick in a conference where we play in Texas four times a year to keep my exposure in that area as opposed to LSU, who will play there one time (unless we're talking non-con).
The Big 12 is the conference of Texas, after all.
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butthurt over the expedition of hiring a staff is one of the best kinds of butthurt.
Equate "butthurt" to being angry and equate "not butthurt" to being happy. Now, tell me this, using happy or angry, how do you feel about the amount of time it is taking Webster to hire his staff? Agnostic is not a choice.
.....welcome to the butthurt!
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butthurt over the expedition of hiring a staff is one of the best kinds of butthurt.
Equate "butthurt" to being angry and equate "not butthurt" to being happy. Now, tell me this, using happy or angry, how do you feel about the amount of time it is taking Webster to hire his staff? Agnostic is not a choice.
.....welcome to the butthurt!
welcome to butthurt gibberish.
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butthurt over the expedition of hiring a staff is one of the best kinds of butthurt.
Equate "butthurt" to being angry and equate "not butthurt" to being happy. Now, tell me this, using happy or angry, how do you feel about the amount of time it is taking Webster to hire his staff? Agnostic is not a choice.
.....welcome to the butthurt!
Without knowing who is ultimately on staff, why would anyone possibly be upset about this? Let's say Weber steals the top assistant from Duke and Butler's current head coach to be our last two bench assistants -- three months from now. You'll be upset over the timing? I don't give a rat's ass about the timing. I'll wait and judge the process from the end results.
People are simply choosing to be upset about this as a spillover from other things they're upset about. I don't see the point in that.
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Yep, we all just need to wait and see.
I mean, what if oscar wins like 25 games 5 yrs from now. I am going to just wait and give him time. I mean, you don't know what will happen...
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Yep, we all just need to wait and see.
I mean, what if oscar wins like 25 games 5 yrs from now. I am going to just wait and give him time. I mean, you don't know what will happen...
who knows? Heck, he's been to the national title game. Give me one good reason it won't happen again in two years. YOU CAN'T DO IT SO I GUESS YOU JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!
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people are butthurt over the lack of hiring of assistants because they are being deprived of the opportunity to be butthurt over the hiring of assistants.
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Yep, we all just need to wait and see.
I mean, what if oscar wins like 25 games 5 yrs from now. I am going to just wait and give him time. I mean, you don't know what will happen...
who knows? Heck, he's been to the national title game. Give me one good reason it won't happen again in two years. YOU CAN'T DO IT SO I GUESS YOU JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!
WAIT AND SEE
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people are butthurt over the lack of hiring of assistants because they are being deprived of the opportunity to be butthurt over the hiring of assistants.
maybe not. GIVE US A CHANCE.
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butthurt over the expedition of hiring a staff is one of the best kinds of butthurt.
Equate "butthurt" to being angry and equate "not butthurt" to being happy. Now, tell me this, using happy or angry, how do you feel about the amount of time it is taking Webster to hire his staff? Agnostic is not a choice.
.....welcome to the butthurt!
Without knowing who is ultimately on staff, why would anyone possibly be upset about this? Let's say Weber steals the top assistant from Duke and Butler's current head coach to be our last two bench assistants -- three months from now. You'll be upset over the timing? I don't give a rat's ass about the timing. I'll wait and judge the process from the end results.
People are simply choosing to be upset about this as a spillover from other things they're upset about. I don't see the point in that.
Disagree. Not saying that there isn't some residual team burn it down butt hurt coming through, but the timing is a big deal. The open recruiting period is upon us, and we are at half staff with the distraction of needing to hire 2 assistants still looming. This is a significant failure.
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Whelp, here we go.
So much for a proven recruiter on the staff. eff me.
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As we reported, former North Texas assistant Shawn Forrest interviewed at Kansas State.
He will not be an assistant on oscar Weber's staff, though. Forrest interviewed for the head coaching job at North Texas early this week. If he does not get that gig, he is expected to follow Johnny Jones to LSU and serve as an assistant.
A decision on the North Texas job should come no later than Wednesday of next week.
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Whelp, here we go.
So much for a proven recruiter on the staff. eff me.
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As we reported, former North Texas assistant Shawn Forrest interviewed at Kansas State.
He will not be an assistant on oscar Weber's staff, though. Forrest interviewed for the head coaching job at North Texas early this week. If he does not get that gig, he is expected to follow Johnny Jones to LSU and serve as an assistant.
A decision on the North Texas job should come no later than Wednesday of next week.
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who knows, oscar may have someone better ready to sign when Currie gets back from the Bahamas and can approve it. WHO KNOWS?
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people are butthurt over the lack of hiring of assistants because they are being deprived of the opportunity to be butthurt over the hiring of assistants.
Great post
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Whelp, here we go.
So much for a proven recruiter on the staff. eff me.
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As we reported, former North Texas assistant Shawn Forrest interviewed at Kansas State.
He will not be an assistant on oscar Weber's staff, though. Forrest interviewed for the head coaching job at North Texas early this week. If he does not get that gig, he is expected to follow Johnny Jones to LSU and serve as an assistant.
A decision on the North Texas job should come no later than Wednesday of next week.
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That is disappointing for sure.
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lol at this coach/staff
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Here comes a bunch of losers no one has ever heard of or that were just fired for being bad at their job.
oscar needs to just say eff it and go hire some really dirty guys that only care about being dirty and getting paid, then pay them a bunch and let them be dirty.
I mean, there has to be plenty of those guys around, right?
Put a fork in us.
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MY COACHING STAFF IS ON THE FLOOR!!!1!
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lol at this coach/staff
I'm waiting to lol when it's done.
Then I'll probably cry.
It had potential, though. Could have been something.
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So are we back to Beane and Zieler? Begging Undy back? Calling Gottlieb? I mean, Gottlieb is on record saying oscar is a good coach....
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butthurt over the expedition of hiring a staff is one of the best kinds of butthurt.
Equate "butthurt" to being angry and equate "not butthurt" to being happy. Now, tell me this, using happy or angry, how do you feel about the amount of time it is taking Webster to hire his staff? Agnostic is not a choice.
.....welcome to the butthurt!
Without knowing who is ultimately on staff, why would anyone possibly be upset about this? Let's say Weber steals the top assistant from Duke and Butler's current head coach to be our last two bench assistants -- three months from now. You'll be upset over the timing? I don't give a rat's ass about the timing. I'll wait and judge the process from the end results.
People are simply choosing to be upset about this as a spillover from other things they're upset about. I don't see the point in that.
I don't know about where you guys work, but when my office hires we always start by targeting the least-qualified candidates first. When they reject us, then we move on to the better candidates.
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How many coaches do you really need for basketball anyway? I mean there can only be 5 players on the floor at once. Do we need a coach for each player? Seems like overkill to me. When I watch the games the head coach and maybe, MAYBE the guy next to him are the only ones who say anything. Those other jokers in suits just sit there and herp derp the whole game!!!
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Time to take the K-State basketball program out behind the woodshed and shoot it. Put this thing out of its misery. You are worse than SMU now, for goodness sake.
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Time to take the K-State basketball program out behind the woodshed and shoot it. Put this thing out of its misery. You are worse than SMU now, for goodness sake.
Head to head on court, not yet, but it can't be long, right?
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lol at this coach/staff
I'm waiting to lol when it's done.
Then I'll probably cry.
It had potential, though. Could have been something.
Right, but we knew this wouldn't work out in our favor.
The sad thing is, he'll hire a bunch of Mo Valley louses, and then won't fire any of them for under-performance when they sh*t the bed on the recruiting trail over the next five years. And the tards will dust off the time honored, bullsh*t excuse about not being able to recruit to Manhattan.
oscar Weber, we're in it for the long haul, folks!
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Time to take the K-State basketball program out behind the woodshed and shoot it. Put this thing out of its misery. You are worse than SMU now, for goodness sake.
ummmm Beems you seem to be neither WAITING or SEEING. :shakesfist:
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lol at this coach/staff
so butthurt so so butthurt
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lol at this coach/staff
so butthurt so so butthurt
very much
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people are butthurt over the lack of hiring of assistants because they are being deprived of the opportunity to be butthurt over the hiring of assistants.
Anybody have any monkey butt chowder? My butt hurts from the butthurt spreading in this and other threads. I think we're seeing a butthurt epidemic. :runaway:
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advancing to natl title game w self's players- ball one
driving natl prominent program into ground - strike one
somehow getting kstate job - ball two
convincing kstate players to stay - ball three
not being able to hire the best recruiter on your former staff - strike two
recruiting a mid-major, no-skills player to fill your open 'ship - strike three
failing to hire your top coaching option from texas - strike four
full count to herr oscar, crowd breathlessly giving him a chance.
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Disagree. Not saying that there isn't some residual team burn it down butt hurt coming through, but the timing is a big deal. The open recruiting period is upon us, and we are at half staff with the distraction of needing to hire 2 assistants still looming. This is a significant failure.
Casey Scott. Ever hear of that guy, yosh?
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wallace announces assistants on GPC:
The first you've probably never heard of
The other is known for his collegiate playing days more than his career as an assistant, so far anyway
neither played at KState
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wallace announces assistants on GPC:
The first you've probably never heard of
The other is known for his collegiate playing days more than his career as an assistant, so far anyway
neither played at KState
We all look like ants from the mountains of information that they sit on every single day.
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I also love how he states that nobody has heard of some guy just because he hasn't heard of them.
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I also love how he states that nobody has heard of some guy just because he hasn't heard of them.
Yes, I enjoyed that a lot.
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Total amateur hour.
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From Ballplayers:
"am told"
1. Forrest told KS no, thinks He can get UNT Head Coaching position...
2. Alvin Brooks, Jr. from a LM in Texas, is being considered
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Alvin Brooks, Jr. from a LM in Texas, is being considered
seems like he may be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!):
Mid-major men's basketball programs are not showcased on television nightly or on the front pages of the national sports pages everyday so there is a huge misconception about us. Many people think of mid-major programs and assume the players are not very good and couldn't play at a major Division I school. That assumption is unfair because many mid-major programs have a lot of talented players that choose to play at their school because it was simply was the right fit for them. Here at Sam Houston State, we have one of the best undersized post players in the country in Gilberto Clavell. Clavell is averaging 22.0 points and 8.0 rebounds per game in conference play despite being doubled and sometimes tripled team. He could play for any team in the country.
After seven years of coaching and communicating with different coaches from high major Division I to junior college coaches, I have some very important news for you. Every college conference in the country is very tough and challenging! Night-in and night-out any team can beat anyone in the majority of conferences in America. Southland Conference is no different in that aspect. We are beating up on each other nightly. In the Southland Conference, we have a West and East division with six teams competing in each division. Each team in the West division plays each other twice while playing the teams from the East division once. Sam Houston State is in the West division and we currently have a 3-4 record. In the West division, there are three teams in front of us at 3-3 and one team at 4-2. With nine more games to go, we still have an opportunity to put ourselves in good position to finish first.
In the Southland Conference, there are no automatic bids so winning the conference tournament is the only key to dancing in the NCAA Tournament. We are also playing to win the regular-season title because the team that does that receives an automatic bid to play in the NIT post-season tournament. Our goal is to get better everyday and let our hard work pay off! One practice at a time and one game at a time. Team! Family! Believe!
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2. Alvin Brooks, Jr. from a LM in Texas, is being considered
The SHSU coaching staff looks awesome:
http://www.gobearkats.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=19900&SPID=11358&SPSID=93018
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"Alvin is one of the BEST COACHES I've ever been around. He's UNBELIEVABLE in his relationships with young people. He's one of the most OUTSTANDING coaches and recruitersin basketball."
-Billy Clyde Gillispie
"Coach Brooks defines class, character, and a true role model. For a young coach like myself, I look up to Coach Brooks both as a coach and as a man. I am a better person because he has made a positive influence on me personally. Coach Brooks is what a role model is supposed to be."
-Josh Pastner.
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"Alvin is one of the BEST COACHES I've ever been around. He's UNBELIEVABLE in his relationships with young people. He's one of the most OUTSTANDING coaches and recruiters in basketball."
-Billy Clyde Gillispie
"Coach Brooks defines class, character, and a true role model. For a young coach like myself, I look up to Coach Brooks both as a coach and as a man. I am a better person because he has made a positive influence on me personally. Coach Brooks is what a role model is supposed to be."
-Josh Pastner
yeah, that's his dad
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Maybe, maybe not. V :emawkid:
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I think those quotes were in reference to Alvin III. This is his website. Not his fathers.
http://www.alvinbrooks.com/bio2.html (http://www.alvinbrooks.com/bio2.html)
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I think those quotes were in reference to Alvin III. This is his website. Not his fathers.
http://www.alvinbrooks.com/bio2.html (http://www.alvinbrooks.com/bio2.html)
they were about his dad. his dad coached under gillespie at aTm and KY. Jr. has no experience and has never recruited anyone in his life.
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Rob says Terrence Rencher is the other
In 2009, he was hired to be an assistant coach at Texas State University. Rencher came to Texas State University after serving as a graduate assistant coach at Saint Louis University under Rick Majerus in 2008-09.
University of Tulsa head coach Doug Wojcik announced on May 11, 2011 the appointment of Terrence Rencher as an assistant coach for the Golden Hurricane.
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At least they aren't super old I guess.
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your sam houston texas state golden salukis :drool:
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So its alvin and Rencher? Confirmed?
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what they are saying about AB3 :blush:
http://www.alvinbrooks.com/saying.html
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this guy is apparently the best pound for pound recruiter in the game today. good job oscar!
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terrence played at ut. he's also currently jobless, right? i mean, we might not be able to hire someone currently employed but we have shown that working at kstate is better than collecting unemployment. that's gotta count for something right? go cats.
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hmm. interesting.
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Guess who Rencher played for at Texas? :gocho:
I would link his twitter account but it's blocked at my work now, so I'll just go ahead and tell you and kill any dramatic effect I might have had going. Penders.
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"Alvin Brooks III is an outstanding person and basketball coach. I first saw him play in high school and have followed his career closely. Since I had the opportunity to work with his father, I am very familiar about his great work ethic, high moral standards, and professional attitude. I have closely followed him and watched his unbelievable success at the University of Arkansas Fort Smith and Midland College."
Doc Sadler
University of Nebraska
Men's Head Basketball Coach
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I think those quotes were in reference to Alvin III. This is his website. Not his fathers.
http://www.alvinbrooks.com/bio2.html (http://www.alvinbrooks.com/bio2.html)
they were about his dad. his dad coached under gillespie at aTm and KY. Jr. has no experience and has never recruited anyone in his life.
Are you trying to say that Josh Pastner doesn't look up to a nobody assistant at a garbage program, both as a coach and as a man? Blasphemy.
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What I love about the Alvin Brooks site is that I think they are intentionally confusing people on which Alvin Brooks is which. It's like they're trying to be the young hard working up and coming energetic veteran well-connected former head coach. Visit my website at alvinbrooks.com.
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Oppenheimer. Think, BOOM!
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Oppenheimer. Think, BOOM!
frank almost built a monster. :frown:
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"Alvin Brooks III is an outstanding person and basketball coach. I first saw him play in high school and have followed his career closely. Since I had the opportunity to work with his father, I am very familiar about his great work ethic, high moral standards, and professional attitude. I have closely followed him and watched his unbelievable success at the University of Arkansas Fort Smith and Midland College."
Doc Sadler
University of Nebraska
Men's Head Basketball Coach
:love:
That endorsement will take him to the top
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Maybe B-Dub was fooled into thinking he was hiring Sr. and instead hired Jr. who is about as qualified as I am and appears to have as many players in his pocket as I do?
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Maybe B-Dub was fooled into thinking he was hiring Sr. and instead hired Jr. who is about as qualified as I am and appears to have as many players in his pocket as I do?
Who would you believe? Josh Pastner or Doc Sadler? oscar knows that Doc knows how to coach after doc beat him by 40 points so when Doc talks oscar listens. Do not know if oscar and Pastner have any history. I guess that Elite Eight game.
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Maybe B-Dub was fooled into thinking he was hiring Sr. and instead hired Jr. who is about as qualified as I am and appears to have as many players in his pocket as I do?
Jr is the dad. Sr would be the grandpa. I presume we are hiring the III, but that isn't entirely clear from the information is this thread.
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Maybe B-Dub was fooled into thinking he was hiring Sr. and instead hired Jr. who is about as qualified as I am and appears to have as many players in his pocket as I do?
Jr is the dad. Sr would be the grandpa. I presume we are hiring the III, but that isn't entirely clear from the information is this thread.
BP confirmed it's III.
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Maybe his dad will help him with his homework :dunno:
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2. Alvin Brooks, Jr. from a LM in Texas, is being considered
The SHSU coaching staff looks awesome:
http://www.gobearkats.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=19900&SPID=11358&SPSID=93018
I like how they spell bearcats.
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Did the unemployed head coach from central michigan with a stud nephew tell us no :(
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Any chance AB3 has Doc snowed and is dirty as crap?
I am going to assume not, so I would now like to take the time to LOL at the wait and see crowd....while crying...
In related news: this has been a fantastic week for Frank. I mean, he got to Frank some kids, publicly shove his boss under the twitter bus, and now this.
Also, Currie being out of town right now is genius. He will be able to make our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fan base believe that he had no control over the quality of staff since they were all hired while he was out of town. He will not be blamed for oscar's decisions....he was out of town w/o cell reception. Best thing he could do is get back and hold a press conf that says something how he is rested now and ready to fill some coaching positions, then act all shocked and surprised when Fitz tells him that they were filled while he was out. Then he could act perturbed about who was hired and promise that he will be watching this staff closely.
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In related news: this has been a fantastic week for Frank. I mean, he got to Frank some kids, publicly shove his boss under the twitter bus, and now this.
well, at least one bad thing happened to him....
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In related news: this has been a fantastic week for Frank. I mean, he got to Frank some kids, publicly shove his boss under the twitter bus, and now this.
well, at least one bad thing happened to him....
Must have missed it. :dunno:
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In related news: this has been a fantastic week for Frank. I mean, he got to Frank some kids, publicly shove his boss under the twitter bus, and now this.
well, at least one bad thing happened to him....
Must have missed it. :dunno:
Rumblings Frank was aggressively trying to get Angel to follow him to USC. Angel turned him down. Frank was not very happy about it.
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butthurt levels rising
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In related news: this has been a fantastic week for Frank. I mean, he got to Frank some kids, publicly shove his boss under the twitter bus, and now this.
well, at least one bad thing happened to him....
Must have missed it. :dunno:
Rumblings Frank was aggressively trying to get Angel to follow him to USC. Angel turned him down. Frank was not very happy about it.
Oh man. :thumbs:
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In related news: this has been a fantastic week for Frank. I mean, he got to Frank some kids, publicly shove his boss under the twitter bus, and now this.
well, at least one bad thing happened to him....
Must have missed it. :dunno:
Rumblings Frank was aggressively trying to get Angel to follow him to USC. Angel turned him down. Frank was not very happy about it.
i dunno, it seems like a long way to travel just to die in a house fire.
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New age of journalism kind of sucks. You dig & work for leads & contacts, only to have a Tweet or message board post leak it to everyone 1st
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Ryan Wallace
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New age of journalism kind of sucks. You dig & work for leads & contacts, only to have a Tweet or message board post leak it to everyone 1st
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Too bad tweeting info first is looked down upon for his clientele.
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Ryan Wallace
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New age of journalism kind of sucks. You dig & work for leads & contacts, only to have a Tweet or message board post leak it to everyone 1st
:lol:
Oh squeaks...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ryan Wallace
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New age of journalism kind of sucks. You dig & work for leads & contacts, only to have a Tweet or message board post leak it to everyone 1st
That's RICK BALL, BITCH!
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Ryan Wallace
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New age of journalism kind of sucks. You dig & work for leads & contacts, only to have a Tweet or message board post leak it to everyone 1st
I would think those guys should love the "new age", since it provides 90% of their inside scoops.
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Ryan Wallace
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New age of journalism kind of sucks. You dig & work for leads & contacts, only to have a Tweet or message board post leak it to everyone 1st
I would think those guys should love the "new age", since it provides 90% of their inside scoops.
Boom.
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also, lol at Wallace, the tubbys DJamer, always getting pissed and referencing journalism and his hard work
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Ryan Wallace
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New age of journalism kind of sucks. You dig & work for leads & contacts, only to have a Tweet or message board post leak it to everyone 1st
I would think those guys should love the "new age", since it provides 90% of their inside scoops.
:lol:
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also, lol at Wallace, the tubbys DJamer, always getting pissed and referencing journalism and his hard work
lol at him being mad at this "new age of journalism" like he's some crusty newspaper vet curmudgeon type banging out articles on his type writer at his home office in hoboken or something. oh the good old days says ryan wallace.
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also, lol at Wallace, the tubbys DJamer, always getting pissed and referencing journalism and his hard work
lol at him being mad at this "new age of journalism" like he's some crusty newspaper vet curmudgeon type banging out articles on his type writer at his home office in hoboken or something. oh the good old days says ryan wallace.
when I'm working in deep cover on an investigative piece or posting a thread asking for questions for the gopowercat podcast or DJamer'ing a set of top 40 hits at tubbys the last thing I need is someone spilling info all over the internet that I knew about but didn't have a chance to write about yet. have some respect for us hard working legitimate journalists! I WORK SO HARD!
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Should just set up an acct that blocks all but GPC'ers, then retweet his ass off and they can claim that they are only serving their customers and using twitter. Also, they need a twitter feed on their board page.
But, hey, that's just if I was some dumbass that hired employees based on bikini pics.
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Man, I've got a feeling CC is going to let loose with some GPC stories.
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If I was a hard working journalist, I would probably put something together that has more value than can be expressed in 140 characters.
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If I was a hard working journalist, I would probably put something together that has more value than can be expressed in 140 characters.
Yeah, and you could link a customer to it via twitter.
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Man, I've got a feeling CC is going to let loose with some GPC stories.
:crossfingers:
"It's Patterson happens" :popcorn:
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Man, I've got a feeling CC is going to let loose with some GPC stories.
:crossfingers:
It's been a while since we've posted a guest editorial on the goEMAW blog...
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Man, I've got a feeling CC is going to let loose with some GPC stories.
:crossfingers:
It's been a while since we've posted a guest editorial on the goEMAW blog...
Garth.... :cry:
Could have been huge.
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also, lol at Wallace, the tubbys DJamer, always getting pissed and referencing journalism and his hard work
lol at him being mad at this "new age of journalism" like he's some crusty newspaper vet curmudgeon type banging out articles on his type writer at his home office in hoboken or something. oh the good old days says ryan wallace.
His honesty and moral journalism twitter lecture is still one of my favorite Ryan "Grizzled Journalist" Wallace moments.
Ryan Wallace @call_me_WALLACE 15m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Ok, I'm about to blow up your Twitter feed. I can't hold this in any longer, so here goes... Apologies ahead of time...
For those of you bugging me to "spill beans" on this Venables bologna because "we are journalists", you're adding to beliefs I can't stand.
No matter how bad journalism has become thanks to things like Twitter & the social belief that it's all about "being 1st" or "breaking news"
That's NOT what it's about. Journalism is about sharing worthy material with an audience. Sure there's digging & questioning in the approach
But there's also things like being credible & reliable. Because, you see, to get those interesting stories out of folks, you have to earn
trust. You have to show them that you'll be persistent because it's your job, but that you'll also hold morals & your word. Because moments
do arise where you have to keep a clear mind & understand that it's more important to have quality & strength behind your career, not a rep
of being thirsty for fame & a longing for constantly having the spotlight for "being the first". It's not always about what the public
wants. It should always be about what the people need. In this case, the people NEED to know who KSU's next DC will be & all I can say is
that person will not be Brent Venables. So rather than criticizing those of us who "keep secrets", why not pat us on the back for carrying
a tradition of quality journalism standards and moving past that garbage to work on what matters- information on a different DC. The next DC
So if you want honesty & moral journalism, you're following the right guy. If you only want the dirt, best follow somebody else. It's not me
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Did he tweet his journalism manifesto to be ironic?
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No, he's too stupid for irony
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Shingler?
Dalonte as next head coach!?
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Shingler?
Dalonte as next head coach!?
goddamnit
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God wallace is a rough ridin' idiot. I should call fitz up, have him fire wallace, take the job, and burn down gpc.
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#TeamShingler #TeamBrooksIII
Sounds like we where 24 hours away from having both Forrest and Howard, will take the younger versions, better than hiring old fart X and Os guys.
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And DJamer Wally's meltdown begins...
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So first you say you don't want stories just inside scoop, but you follow that up by asking for... a story? I'm confused.
Here's the deal...
I love that we have such well connected subscribers. I wasn't upset at Ballplayers for him giving his info about Forrest and Alvin Brooks Jr. If you have inside information that hasn't been posted here yet, why hold it?
It's just disheartening as a journalist to sit and call 80 million different people, digging through phone directories and Google searches in an attempt to get a hold of someone, finally reach them with no answer, and in the time you're waiting for a return call, the story breaks from someone else through Twitter or a message board. Hey, it's society today and I need to learn to deal with it. But if you had seen the efforts Rob and I went through yesterday just to get Brooks and Rencher's names, maybe you'd understand a little.
I wanted to tell you all last night the names of the coaches we had heard were linked to the K-State openings, but I found myself caught in an all too common pickle here on GPC.
- If I release the names, now everyone knows. Not just fans and subscribers, but reporters and other writers, who no matter if they're friends of ours or not, are competition. No matter how you slice and dice it, GPC still covers K-State news and we still enjoy being the first to break it, and with more than just a first and last name. If we're going to hand out information in today's day and age, we will do so when we have something concrete to share (ie- Not only break the names of the candidates, but also a story with comments from each. That way you're not only getting the names from us first, but also quotes before any other site or affiliation has time to track down either).
- Which brings me to Part II. Let's say I release the names anyway... what else was there to report? The person who gave us the names never said whether or not he wanted us to publicly distribute what he had heard. So I wouldn't have been able to tell you where we got it from. To that point, neither Rob nor myself had spoken any words at all to Brooks (ignored our calls) and Rencher (who we still didn't have a number for), so it's not like I could share with you their comments on the rumors.
Rob, and myself in particular, decided to sit on it until we had more information to share, directly from one of the two candidates, hoping they would get back in touch with us... which didn't happen.
It's the life of a journalist today and that's what I was "bit%^ing" about. It's not as cut and dry as it used to be.
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you either bring the butthurt or get the eff out
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Holy crap. Am I reading this right. The reason Forrest is going to LSU is because they will pay him more than K-State will if he's not hired as head coach?
Shawn Forrest accepted a job on Weber's staff last week. That lasted roughly nine hours. He changed his mind because he interviewed for the North Texas head coaching job. The change of heart was also due to the fact that Johnny Jones could pay him more money as an assistant at LSU should he fail to be hired by North Texas.
This is why LSU is his backup plan. The AD at N. Texas is planning to leave on vacation next Wednesday. Everyone expects a decision before then.
Other things:
When Forrest declined the job, he suggested Alvin Brooks III (Sam Houston State) and Terrence Rencher (formerly of Tulsa) to oscar Weber as good options to make a recruiting splash in Texas. I haven't bee able to reach either, but Brooks has gone out of his way to avoid my calls. Take that however you want. Could mean something is up, but it might be nothing.
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I mean, I enjoy that crap so much. How hard can it be to get Rencher's number? and the home of an internet magazine pining for the good old days. I mean seriously. lol
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here are my two thoughts: other sports journalists don't appear to endure gpc's constant, vexing burden. why don't they just ask ballplayers for the info in the first place?
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I think they're too stupid to.
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gpc is a nice distraction while we get humiliated on the assistant coaching search front.
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ZOMG BUTT HURT SO BUTT HURT
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The AD at N. Texas is planning to leave on vacation next Wednesday. Everyone expects a decision before then.
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why don't they just ask ballplayers for the info in the first place?
yeah, this is a good point
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I think they're too butthurt to ask.
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"Hey, BP, I know you pay me for info on KSU and stuff, but do you know anything about our coaching search? How about what recruits we are looking at?"
Lol
Fitz must feel like he would have to give BP his money back, and....well....$10 is a couple wells at Tubbys on a Wednesday night.
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DJamer Wally really needs a mentor.
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Rob, and myself in particular, decided to sit on it until we had more information to share...
Squeaks already has the company line down. :lol:
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Rob, and myself in particular, decided to sit on it until we had more information to share...
Squeaks already has the company line down. :lol:
He found himself caught in an all too common pickle. You really can't blame him.
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I wanted to give DJamer Wally the benefit of the doubt...but after that post....jfc. He needs to find something else to do. He stands no chance.
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so the guy that is known as a guy that can recruit texas decides to go to a different school and then based on his suggestion we hire two guys that will be going up against him in recruiting texas. did i really just read that?
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I wanted to give DJamer Wally the benefit of the doubt...but after that post....jfc. He needs to find something else to do. He stands no chance.
how can you even say that??? he made phone calls yesterday and google searched for phone numbers.
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I wanted to give DJamer Wally the benefit of the doubt...but after that post....jfc. He needs to find something else to do. He stands no chance.
how can you even say that??? he made phone calls yesterday and google searched for phone numbers.
god i hope he checked Fitz's Rolodex first.
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Need webcams in gpc world HQ so those tards can see Wallace burnin up the phones and phone directories.
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So who the tuck are these guys again?
If this ends poorly I might join #teambutthurt
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I haven't been able to spend as much time on this board lately as I had previously but let me tell you all how pleased I am with the butthurt movement. I truly love this crap.
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IMO our only other option is.........#GOTTLIEB4KSUASSTCOACH :emawkid:
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IMO our only other option is.........#GOTTLIEB4KSUASSTCOACH :emawkid:
Band-aides are best removed in one fast rip. the pain only lasts a short time. Trying to slowly remove them, gingerly and concerned about making it feel as gentle as possible, ultimately ends up drawing out the duration of pain.
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if you run in the rain you get more wet because you are intercepting rain drops with your frontal area that otherwise would have missed you.
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if you run in the rain you get more wet because you are intercepting rain drops with your frontal area that otherwise would have missed you.
Bull. I watched that Myth Busters like over a year ago.
"no appreciable diff"
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Know Brooks Father VERY well, Know Son a little ... Good People!
Rencher is interesting as he knows many of my N.Y.C. contacts ... attends my Eastern JAMboree ...
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Seriously, though. What a dogshit staff.
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if you run in the rain you get more wet because you are intercepting rain drops with your frontal area that otherwise would have missed you.
Bull. I watched that Myth Busters like over a year ago.
"no appreciable diff"
Thats weird, cause I watched the same Myth Busters and they appreciated the difference.
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Seriously, though. What a dogshit staff.
is this dogshit staff better or worse than our last dogshit staff that we've been bitching about for the last 5 years?
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There's simply no way this staff will be able to top a staff that brought us Robert "don't sign that LOI" Upshaw, who was so highly sought by other schools he ended up at . . . Fresno State (with hints about being a qualifying risk) . . and Laimonas "can he even make it to campus" Chatkevicius.
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if you run in the rain you get more wet because you are intercepting rain drops with your frontal area that otherwise would have missed you.
Bull. I watched that Myth Busters like over a year ago.
"no appreciable diff"
Thats weird, cause I watched the same Myth Busters and they appreciated the difference.
Well, it was over a year ago for me.... :dunno:
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Seriously, though. What a dogshit staff.
is this dogshit staff better or worse than our last dogshit staff that we've been bitching about for the last 5 years?
heh
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Seriously, though. What a dogshit staff.
is this dogshit staff better or worse than our last dogshit staff that we've been bitching about for the last 5 years?
equal-ish.
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All Too Common Pickle Crashes Lemon Party
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lol, just saw cassidy's post yesterday about Shingler interest. LMAO at Currie allowing that. John, why don't we just hire Curtis Malone's BFF to come back to Manhattan?
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lol, just saw cassidy's post yesterday about Shingler interest. LMAO at Currie allowing that. John, why don't we just hire Curtis Malone's BFF to come back to Manhattan?
Would take
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lol, just saw cassidy's post yesterday about Shingler interest. LMAO at Currie allowing that. John, why don't we just hire Curtis Malone's BFF to come back to Manhattan?
Would take
x 1,000,000
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Seriously, though. What a dogshit staff.
is this dogshit staff better or worse than our last dogshit staff that we've been bitching about for the last 5 years?
Worse. I was very complimentary of the previous staff (sans undewood).
lol, just saw cassidy's post yesterday about Shingler interest. LMAO at Currie allowing that. John, why don't we just hire Curtis Malone's BFF to come back to Manhattan?
I would take Shingler over any of these clowns in a heartbeat.
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I doubt we even have these guys in the bag yet, probably working the back channels to get jobs on D2 staffs
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If you were a successful assistant who was bringing in top recruits and were asked to go to a school where you would be handcuffed from playing the game everyone else winks and nods about but doesn't admit, would you want to come coach here and risk adding "this guy knows how to bring in the 3 star recruits" to your resume? I wouldn't. :flush: :curse:
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lol, just saw cassidy's post yesterday about Shingler interest. LMAO at Currie allowing that. John, why don't we just hire Curtis Malone's BFF to come back to Manhattan?
I would take Shingler over any of these clowns in a heartbeat.
yeah, no crap.
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lol, just saw cassidy's post yesterday about Shingler interest. LMAO at Currie allowing that. John, why don't we just hire Curtis Malone's BFF to come back to Manhattan?
I would take Shingler over any of these clowns in a heartbeat.
yeah, no crap.
Warm up the batteries.
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http://www.morganstatebears.com/staff.aspx?path=&staff=140 :love:
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http://www.morganstatebears.com/staff.aspx?path=&staff=140 :love:
He gets his shirts tailored at the same place Currie does.
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why would he leave morgan st for kstate? he wouldn't.
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http://www.morganstatebears.com/staff.aspx?path=&staff=140 :love:
He gets his shirts tailored at the same place Currie does.
also scott drew
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lol...the morgan state logo shakes when I mouse over it (easily amused)
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Josh Eilert was in Manhattan this last week interviewing for the Director of Basketball Operations position.
Some of you might remember Josh from Bob Huggins staff at K-State in 2006 when he was a graduate assistant. He's been Huggins' Video Coordinator at West Virginia ever since.
Eilert is a former K-State walk-on who played from 2002-2004 and is a native of Osborne, KS.
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:facepalm:
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:lol: at Weberites. You guys are falling of the wagon now, right?
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Wait....Eilert may come back.... :surprised:
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Wait....Eilert may come back.... :surprised:
Rumblings.
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He has a really weird shaped chin
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Wait....Eilert may come back.... :surprised:
Between that and Sprads staying, I'm not too confident in my real-life PI skills anymore.
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Can someone with more knowledge pleaseexplain how we allow LSU to reportedly outbid us for an assistant coach?
We did pay Dalonte Hill 400k once upon a time right?
I'm trying to convince myself we still are still committed to be being competitive in basketball, but having a very hard time with it right now.
Forrest definitely going to LSU
When Johnny Jones left North Texas for Louisiana State, many were interested in who the former Tigers assistant would hire to finalize his coaching staff. As an assistant, Shawn Forrest was known for his recruiting prowess and had been called, by those around the program, as Jones' 'second-hand man'. However, Forrest was reportedly an option for North Texas' coaching vacancy, and it had been reported Forrest was also in the process of considering a chance to join oscar Weber at Kansas State.
According to Brett Vito of the Denton Record-Chronicle, Forrest will follow Jones to LSU. Vito also reports that it is highly likely UNT assistant Charlie Leonard will accompany Jones in the SEC.
What does this mean for LSU? First, the hire of Forrest means it will be hard for the Baylors and other high-major programs that would dip into Louisiana for prospects to continue this tactic. Forrest was one of the best recruiters at the non-BCS level, and his addition to the LSU staff should serve the Tigers well. For North Texas, the move of Forrest and (likely move of) Leonard means the UNT athletic administration will probably target a head coach for the opening. Before the hire of Jones, UNT had struck out with hiring assistants for the top spot; it's likely that rather than dip into the pool of assistants, UNT will try to bring someone aboard who already has head coaching experience.
- Matt Giles
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I'm trying to convince myself we still are still committed to be being competitive in basketball
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I'm trying to convince myself we still are still committed to be being competitive in basketball
:lol:
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Can someone with more knowledge pleaseexplain how we allow LSU to reportedly outbid us for an assistant coach?
We did pay Dalonte Hill 400k once upon a time right?
I'm trying to convince myself we still are still committed to be being competitive in basketball, but having a very hard time with it right now.
Forrest definitely going to LSU
When Johnny Jones left North Texas for Louisiana State, many were interested in who the former Tigers assistant would hire to finalize his coaching staff. As an assistant, Shawn Forrest was known for his recruiting prowess and had been called, by those around the program, as Jones' 'second-hand man'. However, Forrest was reportedly an option for North Texas' coaching vacancy, and it had been reported Forrest was also in the process of considering a chance to join oscar Weber at Kansas State.
According to Brett Vito of the Denton Record-Chronicle, Forrest will follow Jones to LSU. Vito also reports that it is highly likely UNT assistant Charlie Leonard will accompany Jones in the SEC.
What does this mean for LSU? First, the hire of Forrest means it will be hard for the Baylors and other high-major programs that would dip into Louisiana for prospects to continue this tactic. Forrest was one of the best recruiters at the non-BCS level, and his addition to the LSU staff should serve the Tigers well. For North Texas, the move of Forrest and (likely move of) Leonard means the UNT athletic administration will probably target a head coach for the opening. Before the hire of Jones, UNT had struck out with hiring assistants for the top spot; it's likely that rather than dip into the pool of assistants, UNT will try to bring someone aboard who already has head coaching experience.
- Matt Giles
I would say that more than likely LSU has more money to spend than we do. That could explain why they were able to outbid us.
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Can someone with more knowledge pleaseexplain how we allow LSU to reportedly outbid us for an assistant coach?
We did pay Dalonte Hill 400k once upon a time right?
I'm trying to convince myself we still are still committed to be being competitive in basketball, but having a very hard time with it right now.
Forrest definitely going to LSU
When Johnny Jones left North Texas for Louisiana State, many were interested in who the former Tigers assistant would hire to finalize his coaching staff. As an assistant, Shawn Forrest was known for his recruiting prowess and had been called, by those around the program, as Jones' 'second-hand man'. However, Forrest was reportedly an option for North Texas' coaching vacancy, and it had been reported Forrest was also in the process of considering a chance to join oscar Weber at Kansas State.
According to Brett Vito of the Denton Record-Chronicle, Forrest will follow Jones to LSU. Vito also reports that it is highly likely UNT assistant Charlie Leonard will accompany Jones in the SEC.
What does this mean for LSU? First, the hire of Forrest means it will be hard for the Baylors and other high-major programs that would dip into Louisiana for prospects to continue this tactic. Forrest was one of the best recruiters at the non-BCS level, and his addition to the LSU staff should serve the Tigers well. For North Texas, the move of Forrest and (likely move of) Leonard means the UNT athletic administration will probably target a head coach for the opening. Before the hire of Jones, UNT had struck out with hiring assistants for the top spot; it's likely that rather than dip into the pool of assistants, UNT will try to bring someone aboard who already has head coaching experience.
- Matt Giles
I would say that more than likely LSU has more money to spend than we do. That could explain why they were able to outbid us.
LSU doesn't care about basketball that is the problem, that being said Forrest will be the AHC at LSU over being the 2nd assistant at KSU.
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I would say that more than likely LSU has more money to spend than we do. That could explain why they were able to outbid us.
i would argue that the millionaire that bids $5 for a juicy hamburger isn't outbid by the twomillionaire that purchases the burger for $10 because the twomillionaire has twice as much money. he just isn't as committed to eating the hamburger.
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I would say that more than likely LSU has more money to spend than we do. That could explain why they were able to outbid us.
i would argue that the millionaire that bids $5 for a juicy hamburger isn't outbid by the twomillionaire that purchases the burger for $10 because the twomillionaire has twice as much money. he just isn't as committed to eating the hamburger.
Take notes kim.
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I'm trying to convince myself we still are still committed to be being competitive in basketball
:lol:
:lol:
I haven't reached acceptance yet. Still gullibly holding out.
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Good luck with that!!!
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Man I actually let myself believe for a few days we were trying to get package recruiting deals with assistants. John mumped me up pretty bad, I'm hoping I reach apathy soon.
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Ok so there are 14 pages, so I am not just going to read it all to find out... BUT is DK def. coming back to coach with HCBW?
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A famous comedian once said, "Comedy is all about timing".
Before it's said and done, John Currie and oscar Weber will make a joke out of you and me, not to mention the Kansas State basketball program. It will take approximately 6 years for him to deliver the punchline.
Here's to the anticipation. Here's to all of the tears of laughter and joy that we'll experience along the way. Here's to goEMAW.com. Here's to Catsketball!
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Butthurt Butthurt Butthurt Butthurt
Am I doing this right? tia
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In a weird way, it is sort of comforting to not care about mens again
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In a weird way, it is sort of comforting to not care about mens again
I have already clipped enough stitches on my fave shirt so that the powercat logo will just naturally break free and drift away when angel does, leaving a blank purple slate of at least 80% cotton blend where my heart used to be.
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Ballplayers says Jay Price for DOBO more than fine with this. :eye:
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I'm trying to convince myself we still are still committed to be being competitive in basketball
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I like Jay Price as DOBO for some reason.
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I like Jay Price as DOBO for seem reason.
Me too. Mostly because I assumed he'd end up on the staff, and to know he's not taking up an assistant coaching spot is comforting.
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I like Jay Price as DOBO for seem reason.
more time for him to message board? IIRC, there was an Illinois poster on here who claimed he got on the message boards and defended oscar.
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I like Jay Price as DOBO for seem reason.
more time for him to message board? IIRC, there was an Illinois poster on here who claimed he got on the message boards and defended oscar.
He's old though. He may not know how to use a computer like oscar.
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I like Jay Price as DOBO for seem reason.
Me too. Mostly because I assumed he'd end up on the staff, and to know he's not taking up an assistant coaching spot is comforting.
Price probably isn't a bad assistant, and he has a ton of experience, so this probably wouldn't be horrible.
The thought of Price on the recruiting trail made me cringe, so, yeah, I'd rank this as a 6.5 on a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 is excited and 1 is angry.
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I like Jay Price as DOBO for seem reason.
more time for him to message board? IIRC, there was an Illinois poster on here who claimed he got on the message boards and defended oscar.
He's old though. He may not know how to use a computer like oscar.
if oldfella can figure it out, I'm sure price can.
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I like Jay Price as DOBO for seem reason.
more time for him to message board? IIRC, there was an Illinois poster on here who claimed he got on the message boards and defended oscar.
I always thought that if Rivals needed some info, they went to Price, he'd give them anything. So I'm hopefully we'll get some good (albeit slanted) insidery info from the basketball side of things.
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I like Jay Price as DOBO for seem reason.
more time for him to message board? IIRC, there was an Illinois poster on here who claimed he got on the message boards and defended oscar.
I always thought that if Rivals needed some info, they went to Price, he'd give them anything. So I'm hopefully we'll get some good (albeit slanted) insidery info from the basketball side of things.
Probably, but the problem is we're never going to like the info. So, then there's that.
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Wtf is jay price?
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There are two things I know about Cire.
1. His/her life goal is to become a pediatric surgeon.
2. He/she will let nothing stand between him/her and a tire swing.
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Do not care if I Luked or not
Rob Cassidy (@robcassidy22)
4/23/12 5:44 PM
Sam Houston State's Alvin Brooks III will be in Manhattan to interview for a spot on oscar Weber's staff tomorrow. Bio: gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.db…
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Do not care if I Luked or not
Rob Cassidy (@robcassidy22)
4/23/12 5:44 PM
Sam Houston State's Alvin Brooks III will be in Manhattan to interview for a spot on oscar Weber's staff tomorrow. Bio: gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.db…
i would like this, strangely. Some young guy from Texas who is connected in Texas. Give me Lowery, Brooks III, and Shingler and I would be pleased.
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54-84 record as a coach and no postseason...ever. Will fit right in.
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Another turd on the shitpile.
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Man I hope brooks has a hard time getting weber to call him back too. Hopefully Weber doesn't get his Jitterbug hooked up until its too late on this one.
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I don't see it mattering who coaches up our crap recruits at this point.
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I don't see it mattering who coaches up our crap recruits at this point.
Fair point.
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Nothing drives you towards apathy more than watching abject incompetence in action and not being able to do a rough ridin' thing about it. This band of asshats from Currie on down are going to eff this program 6 ways from Sunday. #burnitdown #teamhorns
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Slimz....is that a real quote? That's a real quote, isn't it? We're so mumped.
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I have not traced its veracity all the way back to a primary source, but it's attributed to Bubbles on all the internet "Inspirational Quote" collections, so I'm taking it as true.
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I have not traced its veracity all the way back to a primary source, but it's attributed to Bubbles on all the internet "Inspirational Quote" collections, so I'm taking it as true.
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It's legit. It's from after one of Dr. oscar's abortions this season.
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it's impossible to assemble a quality staff after the hatchet job that martin did inside of the coaching circles, to our school
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it's impossible to assemble a quality staff after the hatchet job that martin did inside of the coaching circles, to our school
Tell that to Doug Gottlieb.
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it's impossible to assemble a quality staff after the hatchet job that martin did inside of the coaching circles, to our school
Tell that to Doug Gottlieb.
give me directions to the fantasy land you live in where Doug actually brought in a staff and I will let him know
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Yeah, how could we possibly replace those X and O'ing/developing/Recruiting elites of:
Brad Underwood
Matt Figger
Lamont Evans
Andy Assaley
Who wants to just flat out admit they're a liar by calling that list "impressive"?
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Yeah, how could we possibly replace those X and O'ing/developing/Recruiting elites of:
Brad Underwood
Matt Figger
Lamont Evans
Andy Assaley
Who wants to just flat out admit they're a liar by calling that list "impressive"?
If you said here you get to either take this staff now or you get whatever potential staff oscar hires I'm taking that staff.
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Yeah, how could we possibly replace those X and O'ing/developing/Recruiting elites of:
Brad Underwood
Matt Figger
Lamont Evans
Andy Assaley
Who wants to just flat out admit they're a liar by calling that list "impressive"?
If you said here you get to either take this staff now or you get whatever potential staff oscar hires I'm taking that staff.
This wasn't a compare the staff's post . . . it is about the fact that previous staff of assistants came into the program with neither the name recognition nor anything of significance on their resume. It seemed to work out okay.
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Yeah, how could we possibly replace those X and O'ing/developing/Recruiting elites of:
Brad Underwood
Matt Figger
Lamont Evans
Andy Assaley
Who wants to just flat out admit they're a liar by calling that list "impressive"?
If you said here you get to either take this staff now or you get whatever potential staff oscar hires I'm taking that staff.
This wasn't a compare the staff's post . . . it is about the fact that previous staff of assistants came into the program with neither the name recognition nor anything of significance on their resume. It seemed to work out okay.
The staff that came in did have recognition of Te/Beas. That helped start it.
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Yeah, how could we possibly replace those X and O'ing/developing/Recruiting elites of:
Brad Underwood
Matt Figger
Lamont Evans
Andy Assaley
Who wants to just flat out admit they're a liar by calling that list "impressive"?
If you said here you get to either take this staff now or you get whatever potential staff oscar hires I'm taking that staff.
This wasn't a compare the staff's post . . . it is about the fact that previous staff of assistants came into the program with neither the name recognition nor anything of significance on their resume. It seemed to work out okay.
The staff that came in did have recognition of Te/Beas. That helped start it.
Started what . . . the incredible recruiting pipeline that followed? :lol:
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I don't think pointing out that the current staff is just as garbage as the last staff should be listed as a positve under someone who makes me uncomfortable. It's like choosing one hooker over another because she has less crabs.
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Yeah, how could we possibly replace those X and O'ing/developing/Recruiting elites of:
Brad Underwood
Matt Figger
Lamont Evans
Andy Assaley
Who wants to just flat out admit they're a liar by calling that list "impressive"?
If you said here you get to either take this staff now or you get whatever potential staff oscar hires I'm taking that staff.
This wasn't a compare the staff's post . . . it is about the fact that previous staff of assistants came into the program with neither the name recognition nor anything of significance on their resume. It seemed to work out okay.
The staff that came in did have recognition of Te/Beas. That helped start it.
Started what . . . the incredible recruiting pipeline that followed? :lol:
Dax, as much as you are trying to depants several of us who are complaining about the current sitch we are in, you are looking pretty silly yourself in minimizing the last 5 yrs.
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Beas/Jamar/McGruder/Anderson/Sutton - Anyone I'm missing? I would take that group, only Anderson was kinda a bust I wouldn't even say that since he was out after a year and was big in the NCAA tourney win.
Franks initial coaches were not necessarily super elite, but were quite a bit better than Weber's incoming coaches. His coaches on the way out were arguably a bit better, but at that point, Frank was a known personality/successful coach. Weber is known, but has no personality and limited success.
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The current staff situation is disappointing. We'll see what happens, but its hard to be overly optimistic.
The previous staff had plenty of issues (certainly recruiting), but they proved along with Frank to get teams to play really hard and tough and that led to yearly stretches of Frankruary and winning and NCAA tournaments.
If the new staff does that for 4 of 5 years then they will also get a pass.
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hard to be overly optimistic.
:sdeek:
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hard to be overly optimistic.
:sdeek:
Yeah, we all get disappointed. I was hoping for something like Howard or even Jones and its frustrating to be forced to settle. A young coach, even from smaller schools, could be really good if he has the right connections, but a known commodity would've been better.
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The current staff situation is disappointing. We'll see what happens, but its hard to be overly optimistic.
The previous staff had plenty of issues (certainly recruiting), but they proved along with Frank to get teams to play really hard and tough and that led to yearly stretches of Frankruary and winning and NCAA tournaments.
If the new staff does that for 4 of 5 years then they will also get a pass.
that's an effing big if.
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The current staff situation is disappointing. We'll see what happens, but its hard to be overly optimistic.
The previous staff had plenty of issues (certainly recruiting), but they proved along with Frank to get teams to play really hard and tough and that led to yearly stretches of Frankruary and winning and NCAA tournaments.
If the new staff does that for 4 of 5 years then they will also get a pass.
that's an effing big if.
Of course it is, I'm just saying that's why Frank's staff got a pass.
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Of course it is, I'm just saying that's why Frank's staff got a pass.
that, and that they were pretty rough ridin' good. they didn't have names when they came in, but they turned out to be good. kinda like ar-t. martin had a good eye for both coaches and players.
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that, and that they were pretty rough ridin' good. they didn't have names when they came in, but they turned out to be good. kinda like ar-t. martin had a good eye for both coaches and players.
I'm dissapointed with the staff, thus far. No question. I wanted Howard. Somebody tied into an AAU pipeline.
That being said, wtf are people defending Martin's staff sans Te? Seriously.
Brad Underwood was HC Daytona Beach CC
Matt Figger - AC South Alabama
Lamont Evans - enough said.
Te delivered DC Assault. Frank delivered Angel, Denis, Kelly and Pullen (I think). Underwood, Figger and Evans delivered everybody else. That "everybody else" list is pretty unimpressive.
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that, and that they were pretty rough ridin' good. they didn't have names when they came in, but they turned out to be good. kinda like ar-t. martin had a good eye for both coaches and players.
I'm dissapointed with the staff, thus far. No question. I wanted Howard. Somebody tied into an AAU pipeline.
That being said, wtf are people defending Martin's staff sans Te? Seriously.
Brad Underwood was HC Daytona Beach CC
Matt Figger - AC South Alabama
Lamont Evans - enough said.
Te delivered DC Assault. Frank delivered Angel, Denis, Kelly and Pullen (I think). Underwood, Figger and Evans delivered everybody else. That "everybody else" list is pretty unimpressive.
Huggins offered and signed Pullen. Hill was his lead recruiter. Retaining Martin and Hill kept Jake in the fold. Good for everybody involved.
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that, and that they were pretty rough ridin' good. they didn't have names when they came in, but they turned out to be good. kinda like ar-t. martin had a good eye for both coaches and players.
I'm dissapointed with the staff, thus far. No question. I wanted Howard. Somebody tied into an AAU pipeline.
That being said, wtf are people defending Martin's staff sans Te? Seriously.
Brad Underwood was HC Daytona Beach CC
Matt Figger - AC South Alabama
Lamont Evans - enough said.
Te delivered DC Assault. Frank delivered Angel, Denis, Kelly and Pullen (I think). Underwood, Figger and Evans delivered everybody else. That "everybody else" list is pretty unimpressive.
I would say Upshaw and Gipson (part of your others) blow anyone Rencher or Brooks III has ever recruited out of the water. They are definitely far better recruits than the mediocre PF whom I am intentionally forgetting his name.
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it's impossible to assemble a quality staff after the hatchet job that martin did inside of the coaching circles, to our school
Tell that to Doug Gottlieb.
give me directions to the fantasy land you live in where Doug actually brought in a staff and I will let him know
DO YOU THINK DOUG DIDN'T ALREADY MAKE THOSE PHONE CALLS??? :shakesfist:
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that, and that they were pretty rough ridin' good. they didn't have names when they came in, but they turned out to be good. kinda like ar-t. martin had a good eye for both coaches and players.
I'm dissapointed with the staff, thus far. No question. I wanted Howard. Somebody tied into an AAU pipeline.
That being said, wtf are people defending Martin's staff sans Te? Seriously.
Brad Underwood was HC Daytona Beach CC
Matt Figger - AC South Alabama
Lamont Evans - enough said.
Te delivered DC Assault. Frank delivered Angel, Denis, Kelly and Pullen (I think). Underwood, Figger and Evans delivered everybody else. That "everybody else" list is pretty unimpressive.
I would say Upshaw and Gipson (part of your others) blow anyone Rencher or Brooks III has ever recruited out of the water. They are definitely far better recruits than the mediocre PF whom I am intentionally forgetting his name.
Yeah not sure why people are killing Evans, he had a damn good year. Upshaw is far better than anyone that 'Te landed the last 4 years.
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Evans was about as "wait and see" as they come. Te left and EMAWs went off the deep end. We wanted another Te and ended up promoting a grad assistant named Evans. We were dissapointed. We settled. He turned out to be OK.
Funny how history changes on this board.
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Hey guys, If oscar weber just wins games we'll be fine. If he just recruits talented players we'll be fine.
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Evans was about as "wait and see" as they come. Te left and EMAWs went off the deep end. We wanted another Te and ended up promoting a grad assistant named Evans. We were dissapointed. We settled. He turned out to be OK.
Funny how history changes on this board.
Dalonte leaving didn't get much of a meltdown at all:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=12949.0
And you're right about people "waiting and seeing" w/ LaMont:
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=13167.0
But it's easier to swallow because Frank and Figger were doing a pretty good job.
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Is Upshaw even going to qualify?
Darrell Johnson comes with more listed D1 offers than about half of Frank's recruits, and I'll even toss out 1, maybe 2 (albeit I don't see why a school would waste a late official visit on a guy they didn't intend to offer) of those offers listed. The kid lists 3 official visits to: Big 12, ACC, Big 10 schools.
Yet the perpetually butthurt crowd is going to deem the Weber regime an utter failure and declare the Frank Martin regime virtually unprecedented in K-State basketball history . . . an era that hung exactly ZERO banners, and put exactly ZERO trophies of significance in the trophy case.
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Te living wasn't a big deal. Pipeline to kstate had ended. He might do fine at Maryland, but wasn't happening here. I did want to spend that money on another big recruiter tho, don't know what's wrong with that
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Te living wasn't a big deal. Pipeline to kstate had ended. He might do fine at Maryland, but wasn't happening here. I did want to spend that money on another big recruiter tho, don't know what's wrong with that
There's nothing wrong with giving $$$ to a recruiter. Just commenting on how Weber is thrown under the bus for swinging and missing on Howard but Frank's given a free pass on Lamont Evans.
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Te living wasn't a big deal. Pipeline to kstate had ended. He might do fine at Maryland, but wasn't happening here. I did want to spend that money on another big recruiter tho, don't know what's wrong with that
There's nothing wrong with giving $$$ to a recruiter. Just commenting on how Weber is thrown under the bus for swinging and missing on Howard but Frank's given a free pass on Lamont Evans.
Frank was given a pass on Evans because Frank and Figger were doing pretty well recruiting.
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Te living wasn't a big deal. Pipeline to kstate had ended. He might do fine at Maryland, but wasn't happening here. I did want to spend that money on another big recruiter tho, don't know what's wrong with that
There's nothing wrong with giving $$$ to a recruiter. Just commenting on how Weber is thrown under the bus for swinging and missing on Howard but Frank's given a free pass on Lamont Evans.
I wouldn't have cared if Frank was recruiting nothing but 1 star DITR's as long as he took them to the tournament every year. Weber recruited like crap at Illinois and missed the NIT. It stands to reason that if he continues to recruit like crap here, we will also have embarrassingly bad years.
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Yet the perpetually butthurt crowd is going to deem the Weber regime an utter failure and declare the Frank Martin regime virtually unprecedented in K-State basketball history . . . an era that hung exactly ZERO banners, and put exactly ZERO trophies of significance in the trophy case.
No more toocoolforschool'rs?
It was unprecedented in my EMAW life.
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Te living wasn't a big deal. Pipeline to kstate had ended. He might do fine at Maryland, but wasn't happening here. I did want to spend that money on another big recruiter tho, don't know what's wrong with that
There's nothing wrong with giving $$$ to a recruiter. Just commenting on how Weber is thrown under the bus for swinging and missing on Howard but Frank's given a free pass on Lamont Evans.
I wouldn't have cared if Frank was recruiting nothing but 1 star DITR's as long as he took them to the tournament every year. Weber recruited like crap at Illinois and missed the NIT. It stands to reason that if he continues to recruit like crap here, we will also have embarrassingly bad years.
The last three years his recruiting wasn't bad. (Which actually makes the lack of success worse.)
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Te living wasn't a big deal. Pipeline to kstate had ended. He might do fine at Maryland, but wasn't happening here. I did want to spend that money on another big recruiter tho, don't know what's wrong with that
There's nothing wrong with giving $$$ to a recruiter. Just commenting on how Weber is thrown under the bus for swinging and missing on Howard but Frank's given a free pass on Lamont Evans.
Who did Figger land??? Nick and Gip, who else?
Frank was given a pass on Evans because Frank and Figger were doing pretty well recruiting.
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Weber recruited like crap at Illinois and missed the NIT. It stands to reason that if he continues to recruit like crap here, we will also have embarrassingly bad years.
Weber's final three recruiting classes ranked #11 ('11), #13 ('10), #14 ('09).
He didn't manage his recruiting classes very well, leaving him with a couple of very young teams. But, he got talent. Much moreso than Frank.
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Weber recruited like crap at Illinois and missed the NIT. It stands to reason that if he continues to recruit like crap here, we will also have embarrassingly bad years.
Weber's final three recruiting classes ranked #11 ('11), #13 ('10), #14 ('09).
He didn't manage his recruiting classes very well, leaving him with a couple of very young teams. But, he got talent. Much moreso than Frank.
oscar Weber could recruit a team with more talent than the Lakers and I would still hate his guts if he couldn't even make the NIT with them.
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He didn't manage his recruiting classes very well, leaving him with a couple of very young teams.
:lol:
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Te living wasn't a big deal. Pipeline to kstate had ended. He might do fine at Maryland, but wasn't happening here. I did want to spend that money on another big recruiter tho, don't know what's wrong with that
There's nothing wrong with giving $$$ to a recruiter. Just commenting on how Weber is thrown under the bus for swinging and missing on Howard but Frank's given a free pass on Lamont Evans.
Frank was given a pass on Evans because Frank and Figger were doing pretty well recruiting.
And because Evans was recruiting for one year, and landed the one prized recruit he was asked to land. He was batting 1.000, there was no free pass needed.
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Weber recruited like crap at Illinois and missed the NIT. It stands to reason that if he continues to recruit like crap here, we will also have embarrassingly bad years.
Weber's final three recruiting classes ranked #11 ('11), #13 ('10), #14 ('09).
He didn't manage his recruiting classes very well, leaving him with a couple of very young teams. But, he got talent. Much moreso than Frank.
Those final 3 years were all once Howard got there. Howard is not at K-State
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Also I thought we already established that unproven is better than established losers?
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Also I thought we already established that unproven is better than established losers?
well, you can't complain about the last two names on oscar's list then because they are unproven if they're anything
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And because Evans was recruiting for one year, and landed the one prized recruit he was asked to land. He was batting 1.000, there was no free pass needed.
Right, so moral of the story... let's wait and see who Weber's assistant coaches recruit before judging them a success or failure. Just like we all did with Frank, Figger, and Evans.
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And because Evans was recruiting for one year, and landed the one prized recruit he was asked to land. He was batting 1.000, there was no free pass needed.
Right, so moral of the story... let's wait and see who Weber's assistant coaches recruit before judging them a success or failure. Just like we all did with Frank, Figger, and Evans.
I think the issue is WHO Weber is losing his assistant coach targets to. Also he's been on the job for a month and the only assistant formally announced is the S&C coach. Every other staff is out evaluating and Weber is interviewing his 48th choice from Sam Houston State. If Frank took a month and 39 nos to hire Evans people would have been pissed.
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And because Evans was recruiting for one year, and landed the one prized recruit he was asked to land. He was batting 1.000, there was no free pass needed.
Right, so moral of the story... let's wait and see who Weber's assistant coaches recruit before judging them a success or failure. Just like we all did with Frank, Figger, and Evans.
if i walk into a room and there are dead people all over the place covered in blood and there is one living person and he looks crazy and strung out and has a huge knife in his hand with blood on the knife and blood dripping from his hands and he sees me and starts runnings towards me while simultaneously bringing up the arm that the knife is in up over his head...should i wait and see if he's going to kill me too or should i turn around and run? weber took over a basketball team that had five future nba players on it and then promptly produced two of the worst years in school history within nine years before being fired. you can stay in the room and try to ask the guy what happened and hope like heck that he's not the serial killer you think he is all you want, but i won't. i don't need to. there's already enough evidence for me to conclude that he is.
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Just watched some of Robert "African American Jason Bennett" Upshaw's "highlight" videos.
So that's a "prized recruit"?
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Just watched some of Robert "African American Jason Bennett" Upshaw's "highlight" videos.
So that's a "prized recruit"?
Bigs are pretty tough to evaluate. He definitely is raw, though, and he wasn't going to be a big contributor next year.
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And because Evans was recruiting for one year, and landed the one prized recruit he was asked to land. He was batting 1.000, there was no free pass needed.
Right, so moral of the story... let's wait and see who Weber's assistant coaches recruit before judging them a success or failure. Just like we all did with Frank, Figger, and Evans.
I think the issue is WHO Weber is losing his assistant coach targets to. Also he's been on the job for a month and the only assistant formally announced is the S&C coach. Every other staff is out evaluating and Weber is interviewing his 48th choice from Sam Houston State. If Frank took a month and 39 nos to hire Evans people would have been pissed.
Lowery is official.
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And because Evans was recruiting for one year, and landed the one prized recruit he was asked to land. He was batting 1.000, there was no free pass needed.
Right, so moral of the story... let's wait and see who Weber's assistant coaches recruit before judging them a success or failure. Just like we all did with Frank, Figger, and Evans.
if i walk into a room and there are dead people all over the place covered in blood and there is one living person and he looks crazy and strung out and has a huge knife in his hand with blood on the knife and blood dripping from his hands and he sees me and starts runnings towards me while simultaneously bringing up the arm that the knife is in up over his head...should i wait and see if he's going to kill me too or should i turn around and run? weber took over a basketball team that had five future nba players on it and then promptly produced two of the worst years in school history within nine years before being fired. you can stay in the room and try to ask the guy what happened and hope like heck that he's not the serial killer you think he is all you want, but i won't. i don't need to. there's already enough evidence for me to conclude that he is.
Those are some seriously long sentences.
Carry on.
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if i walk into a room and there are dead people all over the place covered in blood and there is one living person and he looks crazy and strung out and has a huge knife in his hand with blood on the knife and blood dripping from his hands and he sees me and starts runnings towards me while simultaneously bringing up the arm that the knife is in up over his head...should i wait and see if he's going to kill me too or should i turn around and run? weber took over a basketball team that had five future nba players on it and then promptly produced two of the worst years in school history within nine years before being fired. you can stay in the room and try to ask the guy what happened and hope like heck that he's not the serial killer you think he is all you want, but i won't. i don't need to. there's already enough evidence for me to conclude that he is.
If your buddy drove his mom's Toyota Avalon (low miles and leather seats) for 5 years because he didn't make enough money to buy his own car but he always bitched about having to drive his mom's car because it wasn't even a convertible, it had a noticeable rattle somewhere by the front passenger floor speaker, and he couldn't spit game because it was an old person car and then he totalled his car and had to go buy a new car and ended up buying a Nissan Maxima mith more miles and he was always, constantly bitching about how his new ride wouldn't ever come close to comparing to his mom's Avalon because his mom's Avalon was so completely badass because it was a limited edition convertible and his game was so tight in that car that he couldn't beat the girls away with a stick, would you call your friend out as being full of crap? I mean, I would. I'd say, dude, you drove an Avalon for 5 years, what are you complaining about? It's not like you were driving an Audi or a Benz. And you didn't have the money to buy an Audi or a Benz.
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if i walk into a room and there are dead people all over the place covered in blood and there is one living person and he looks crazy and strung out and has a huge knife in his hand with blood on the knife and blood dripping from his hands and he sees me and starts runnings towards me while simultaneously bringing up the arm that the knife is in up over his head...should i wait and see if he's going to kill me too or should i turn around and run? weber took over a basketball team that had five future nba players on it and then promptly produced two of the worst years in school history within nine years before being fired. you can stay in the room and try to ask the guy what happened and hope like heck that he's not the serial killer you think he is all you want, but i won't. i don't need to. there's already enough evidence for me to conclude that he is.
If your buddy drove his mom's Toyota Avalon (low miles and leather seats) for 5 years because he didn't make enough money to buy his own car but he always bitched about having to drive his mom's car because it wasn't even a convertible, it had a noticeable rattle somewhere by the front passenger floor speaker, and he couldn't spit game because it was an old person car and then he totalled his car and had to go buy a new car and ended up buying a Nissan Maxima mith more miles and he was always, constantly bitching about how his new ride wouldn't ever come close to comparing to his mom's Avalon because his mom's Avalon was so completely badass because it was a limited edition convertible and his game was so tight in that car that he couldn't beat the girls away with a stick, would you call your friend out as being full of crap? I mean, I would. I'd say, dude, you drove an Avalon for 5 years, what are you complaining about? It's not like you were driving an Audi or a Benz. And you didn't have the money to buy an Audi or a Benz.
look...both of our analogies are horrible and i'm personally sorry to everyone for starting the analogy war. at the end of the day, it's a great thing for you that you are interested in kstate bball and think weber can do well. i wish i could switch my brain to think that way but i can't. it's not possible.
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if i walk into a room and there are dead people all over the place covered in blood and there is one living person and he looks crazy and strung out and has a huge knife in his hand with blood on the knife and blood dripping from his hands and he sees me and starts runnings towards me while simultaneously bringing up the arm that the knife is in up over his head...should i wait and see if he's going to kill me too or should i turn around and run? weber took over a basketball team that had five future nba players on it and then promptly produced two of the worst years in school history within nine years before being fired. you can stay in the room and try to ask the guy what happened and hope like heck that he's not the serial killer you think he is all you want, but i won't. i don't need to. there's already enough evidence for me to conclude that he is.
If your buddy drove his mom's Toyota Avalon (low miles and leather seats) for 5 years because he didn't make enough money to buy his own car but he always bitched about having to drive his mom's car because it wasn't even a convertible, it had a noticeable rattle somewhere by the front passenger floor speaker, and he couldn't spit game because it was an old person car and then he totalled his car and had to go buy a new car and ended up buying a Nissan Maxima mith more miles and he was always, constantly bitching about how his new ride wouldn't ever come close to comparing to his mom's Avalon because his mom's Avalon was so completely badass because it was a limited edition convertible and his game was so tight in that car that he couldn't beat the girls away with a stick, would you call your friend out as being full of crap? I mean, I would. I'd say, dude, you drove an Avalon for 5 years, what are you complaining about? It's not like you were driving an Audi or a Benz. And you didn't have the money to buy an Audi or a Benz.
You are seriously undervaluing Frank as a coach. oscar Weber is a huge downgrade.
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Being reported on TOS that Brad Korn of SIU, most likely to KSU.,...
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Being reported on TOS that Brad Korn of SIU, most likely to KSU.,...
Brad Korn sounds like a made-up name. Are we even sure he's a real person?
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http://www.siusalukis.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/korn_brad00.html
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http://www.siusalukis.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/korn_brad00.html
He's a 6-9 ginger wearing a pink shirt under a giant sweater. Recruits love that crap.
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Everything about that kid screams Wisconsin.
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if we end up taking bobo drummond over gray i'm going postal
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Oh, man, I bet people called him Candy Korn when he was younger.
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He needs to use a backwards R in his last name... :thumbs:
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Oh, man, I bet people called him Candy Korn when he was younger.
People don't talk that sh@t now though, since he landed that hot piece of Mrs. Korn. That's a rough ridin' handsome woman.
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it's a great thing for you that you are interested in kstate bball and think weber can do well. i wish i could switch my brain to think that way but i can't. it's not possible.
rick daris, you are kind and understanding person. i admire you.
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Scott Frost's long lost brother? :dunno:
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if i walk into a room and there are dead people all over the place covered in blood and there is one living person and he looks crazy and strung out and has a huge knife in his hand with blood on the knife and blood dripping from his hands and he sees me and starts runnings towards me while simultaneously bringing up the arm that the knife is in up over his head...should i wait and see if he's going to kill me too or should i turn around and run? weber took over a basketball team that had five future nba players on it and then promptly produced two of the worst years in school history within nine years before being fired. you can stay in the room and try to ask the guy what happened and hope like heck that he's not the serial killer you think he is all you want, but i won't. i don't need to. there's already enough evidence for me to conclude that he is.
If your buddy drove his mom's Toyota Avalon (low miles and leather seats) for 5 years because he didn't make enough money to buy his own car but he always bitched about having to drive his mom's car because it wasn't even a convertible, it had a noticeable rattle somewhere by the front passenger floor speaker, and he couldn't spit game because it was an old person car and then he totalled his car and had to go buy a new car and ended up buying a Nissan Maxima mith more miles and he was always, constantly bitching about how his new ride wouldn't ever come close to comparing to his mom's Avalon because his mom's Avalon was so completely badass because it was a limited edition convertible and his game was so tight in that car that he couldn't beat the girls away with a stick, would you call your friend out as being full of crap? I mean, I would. I'd say, dude, you drove an Avalon for 5 years, what are you complaining about? It's not like you were driving an Audi or a Benz. And you didn't have the money to buy an Audi or a Benz.
You are seriously undervaluing Frank as a coach. oscar Weber is a huge downgrade.
Belvis is a well documented anfi-frankite. He is clearly going full tard for oscar because he isn't Frank. Belvis doesn't seem like a guy to waiver from a stance when he takes it. I look forward to seeing how he justifies not being entertained by oscar Weber November basketball. Dax on the other hand hates everyone, whenever the transition to hating Weber comes it will be really easy for him.
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Oh, man, I bet people called him Candy Korn when he was younger.
People don't talk that sh@t now though, since he landed that hot piece of Mrs. Korn. That's a rough ridin' handsome woman.
Why would that keep people from talking crap, though? Is her name Candy or something? I can see how that would get confusing.
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Guys, I'm just spitballing here, but is it possible that Bubbles is confused about the difference between recruit spots and assistant coach spots and thought he was interviewing Josh Gray for the assistant coach spot and that's what's led to the confusion as to whether or not Gray could come to K-State AS WELL AS the lack of adding any more assistant coaches?
I mean, seems kinda out there, but once you've eliminated the impossible (Weber can't recruit or hire assistants, since we're assured he can do both fine by the Weberites), whatever remains, however improbable, ya know?
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Being reported on TOS that Brad Korn of SIU, most likely to KSU.,...
Wasn't it as a video guy?
I got that in an email.
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It should be noted that when we "took a chance" on Figger we had the best bag man in college basketball already on staff and the number 1 recruit in the country on the way.
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I am just assuming that oscar's inabilities in hiring and returning calls lately is due to the red tape involved with the bureaucracy that is the Spradling family. oscar sees what has happened to coaches in the past and recognizes that 2 more years of Sprads is plenty of time for the Spradlings to do what they are best at.
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Belvis is a well documented anfi-frankite. He is clearly going full tard for oscar because he isn't Frank. Belvis doesn't seem like a guy to waiver from a stance when he takes it. I look forward to seeing how he justifies not being entertained by oscar Weber November basketball. Dax on the other hand hates everyone, whenever the transition to hating Weber comes it will be really easy for him.
I'm not anti-Frank or pro-oscar. I'm just a glass half full guy on a glass half empty board.
I mean, if you go back and read my posts, I think I've been pretty consistent that I wish Frank was still our coach. But, he's not. There were things I hated about Frank. no question. but there were a lot of positives as well. I wouldn't drive up to every home game if I hated the program. The only question I see as relevant is whether Frank's "success" can be replicated by a coach like oscar Weber. The answer to that question is Yes. Again, I'm a glass half full guy. I believe that Weber can attain 20 win seasons, 3rd-5th place finishes at KSU, and consistent NCAA tourneys.
Most on this board probably hope that I'm wrong. It is what it is.
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I believe that Weber can attain 20 win seasons, 3rd-5th place finishes at KSU, and consistent NCAA tourneys.
Why not say you believe oscar can have a better conference winning percentage, better average conference finish, better NCAA tournament record, etc.?
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"spit game" :lol: :lol:
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Belvis is a well documented anfi-frankite. He is clearly going full tard for oscar because he isn't Frank. Belvis doesn't seem like a guy to waiver from a stance when he takes it. I look forward to seeing how he justifies not being entertained by oscar Weber November basketball. Dax on the other hand hates everyone, whenever the transition to hating Weber comes it will be really easy for him.
I'm not anti-Frank or pro-oscar. I'm just a glass half full guy on a glass half empty board.
I mean, if you go back and read my posts, I think I've been pretty consistent that I wish Frank was still our coach. But, he's not. There were things I hated about Frank. no question. but there were a lot of positives as well. I wouldn't drive up to every home game if I hated the program. The only question I see as relevant is whether Frank's "success" can be replicated by a coach like oscar Weber. The answer to that question is Yes. Again, I'm a glass half full guy. I believe that Weber can attain 20 win seasons, 3rd-5th place finishes at KSU, and consistent NCAA tourneys.
Most on this board probably hope that I'm wrong. It is what it is.
I have 0 doubt that you love K-State basketball, that isn't the issue, but to call yourself an optimist on a board of pessimists is laughable. I don't need to link the scores of posts you've had the last basketball season complaining about everything. Every single basketball debate you had before oscar Weber was hired you argued the negative. So far your stance on the Weber era is the polar opposite of how you posted during the Frank Martin era. We were all the optimists, where do you think Frankite came from? You were not a Frankite, but you are certainly a Weberite. The only explaination of your shift it that you're excited to have the Frank Martin era behind us, because there have been absolutely 0 signs of positive momentum since he arrived, none. Also painting yourself as some rogue positive po is rough ridin' absurd. Most of the board is like me, we want oscar to succeed because we love K-State hoops, but continuing to ignore everything that has happened to this point and keep saying "wait and see" is absurd. I was on the wrong side of the Jim Wooldridge and Ron Prince debates, but at least in those two cases there was early positive momentum. Everything about Weber's program to this point has been awful but you have flipped your once lofty standards.
You refused to give frank a pass for anything but to this point you're willing to ignore oscar's:
Shitty recent record with good recruits
The fact that he lost the recruiter to an awful basketball mid major
He couldn't attract any assistant coach that had any options
Recruited a mid major player at a position we're stacked at while ignoring a top 150 recruit at a position of need
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Belvis is a well documented anfi-frankite. He is clearly going full tard for oscar because he isn't Frank. Belvis doesn't seem like a guy to waiver from a stance when he takes it. I look forward to seeing how he justifies not being entertained by oscar Weber November basketball. Dax on the other hand hates everyone, whenever the transition to hating Weber comes it will be really easy for him.
I'm not anti-Frank or pro-oscar. I'm just a glass half full guy on a glass half empty board.
I mean, if you go back and read my posts, I think I've been pretty consistent that I wish Frank was still our coach. But, he's not. There were things I hated about Frank. no question. but there were a lot of positives as well. I wouldn't drive up to every home game if I hated the program. The only question I see as relevant is whether Frank's "success" can be replicated by a coach like oscar Weber. The answer to that question is Yes. Again, I'm a glass half full guy. I believe that Weber can attain 20 win seasons, 3rd-5th place finishes at KSU, and consistent NCAA tourneys.
Most on this board probably hope that I'm wrong. It is what it is.
well there's your problem. I don't hope you're wrong, I think you are wrong. just like you didn't hope frank would drive our program into a ditch you thought he would.
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I believe that Weber can attain 20 win seasons, 3rd-5th place finishes at KSU, and consistent NCAA tourneys.
Why not say you believe oscar can have a better conference winning percentage, better average conference finish, better NCAA tournament record, etc.?
That's a fantastic question.
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if i walk into a room and there are dead people all over the place covered in blood and there is one living person and he looks crazy and strung out and has a huge knife in his hand with blood on the knife and blood dripping from his hands and he sees me and starts runnings towards me while simultaneously bringing up the arm that the knife is in up over his head...should i wait and see if he's going to kill me too or should i turn around and run? weber took over a basketball team that had five future nba players on it and then promptly produced two of the worst years in school history within nine years before being fired. you can stay in the room and try to ask the guy what happened and hope like heck that he's not the serial killer you think he is all you want, but i won't. i don't need to. there's already enough evidence for me to conclude that he is.
If your buddy drove his mom's Toyota Avalon (low miles and leather seats) for 5 years because he didn't make enough money to buy his own car but he always bitched about having to drive his mom's car because it wasn't even a convertible, it had a noticeable rattle somewhere by the front passenger floor speaker, and he couldn't spit game because it was an old person car and then he totalled his car and had to go buy a new car and ended up buying a Nissan Maxima mith more miles and he was always, constantly bitching about how his new ride wouldn't ever come close to comparing to his mom's Avalon because his mom's Avalon was so completely badass because it was a limited edition convertible and his game was so tight in that car that he couldn't beat the girls away with a stick, would you call your friend out as being full of crap? I mean, I would. I'd say, dude, you drove an Avalon for 5 years, what are you complaining about? It's not like you were driving an Audi or a Benz. And you didn't have the money to buy an Audi or a Benz.
You are seriously undervaluing Frank as a coach. oscar Weber is a huge downgrade.
Belvis is a well documented anfi-frankite. He is clearly going full tard for oscar because he isn't Frank. Belvis doesn't seem like a guy to waiver from a stance when he takes it. I look forward to seeing how he justifies not being entertained by oscar Weber November basketball. Dax on the other hand hates everyone, whenever the transition to hating Weber comes it will be really easy for him.
No I didn't hate Frank, I just chose to live in reality. I don't hate Weber, but I am not that thrilled with what's going on, and will fire with both barrels when the appropriate time comes. Less than 1 month of the guy being on campus is not the appropriate time. Had Frank walked out the door leaving behind a conference championship banner and a Final Four banner, I'd probably be more on the extremely butthurt side, like most people on here. But he didn't, he was good coach, a mediocre recruiter, who went to the NCAA tourney regularly, and had 1 nice NCAA tourney run. Something that's happened during the tenure of five other K-State coaches (and then some in several cases . . . LOL again at Frank's "coaching graveyard" comments). I don't think its tuckish or respectish at all to give a guy who has a Final Four ring, and a conference championship ring from a BCS conference (of which Frank Martin has NEITHER) the benefit of the doubt just 3.5 weeks into his tenure at K-State. Sometimes things just don't work out at a place but the guy didn't compile a 313-155 record on the D1 level by being a complete idiot.
Everybody is bitching and moaning about the staff, and about the recruiting, so once again lets review Frank Martin's recruiting once Bob Huggins walked out that door:
Ron Anderson (Franked)
Andre Gilbert (Franked)
Jamar Samuels :thumbsup:
Buchi Awaji :lol:
Abdul Herrera :lol: (Franked)
Jo :thumbsup:
Tay Irving :blank:
Wally Judge :thumbsup: then (Franked)
McGruber :thumbsup:
Nick Russell (Franked)
Freddy Asprilla :lol: (Franked)
Juevol Myles :lol: (Franked)
Shane Southwell :blank:
Will Spradling :blank:
Nino Williams :blank:
Robert Upshaw aka African American Jason Bennett
Laimonas Chatkevicius :lol:
Oh come on, you know, I know, hell even Bob Dole knows Freddy A was a FP
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Well, MIR, like I said earlier, there were things I hated about the Martin era and things I liked. Like, for instance, I thought franks offensive basketball IQ and his Xs and Os were dog crap terrible. I also think his early season "lessons" he taught our roster every year cost us any shot at a conference title by the end of January every season. If that makes me a Frankite so be it. If you disagree with me, your either a dumbass or you don't watch much KState basketball. on the flip side, I felt that the players really respected him and played hard for him. Which I really liked, among many other things.
As I recall, however, all of my comments on this topic were pretty much contained to a thread that was started thus past season about whether frank could ever win a conference title with his coaching style. If you want to play Internet Detective and investigate all of my prior posting, knock yourself out.
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Anyone that cares about winning the conference while seff is at ku is a ducking Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Anyone that cares about winning the conference while seff is at ku is a ducking Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Come on. You and I both know that if Frank sits Angel in the second half of the first Baylor game, it's net-cutting city in March.
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Rest easy oscar Weber . . . 5th place is good enough!!
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Well, MIR, like I said earlier, there were things I hated about the Martin era and things I liked. Like, for instance, I thought franks offensive basketball IQ and his Xs and Os were dog crap terrible. I also think his early season "lessons" he taught our roster every year cost us any shot at a conference title by the end of January every season. If that makes me a Frankite so be it. If you disagree with me, your either a dumbass or you don't watch much KState basketball. on the flip side, I felt that the players really respected him and played hard for him. Which I really liked, among many other things.
As I recall, however, all of my comments on this topic were pretty much contained to a thread that was started thus past season about whether frank could ever win a conference title with his coaching style. If you want to play Internet Detective and investigate all of my prior posting, knock yourself out.
No dude, you weren't a Frankite, you were the opposite. The only thing you liked about the Frank Martin era is that the players played hard, but you liked nothing about how he made that happen, got it.
I don't have to dig up anything fact is that the only time you posted during basketball season was to complain about something Frank did. We could take a roll call of everyone you argued with durnig basketball season, but it isn't necessary, the answer is everyone but big willie, your red ass during basketball season made Zacker seem like an avowed Frankite.
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Rest easy oscar Weber . . . 5th place is good enough!!
Tourney every year if the schedule is right
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Will anyone go on record as saying they think oscar will contend for a conference title while he's here?
Dax, I'm looking at you!
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Can someone point me in the direction of the Assistant Coach Rumor Thread? I must have taken a wrong turn at the Korn field.
TIA
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Will anyone go on record as saying they think oscar will contend for a conference title while he's here?
Dax, I'm looking at you!
If Angel actually stays I expect us to compete, Quincy Miller's departure can only help.
By compete I mean a conference regular season similar to Mu's past season. This may be unrealistic but our talent/experience combo is second only to KU and oscar did show the ability to stay out the way of a talented and experienced team.
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Will anyone go on record as saying they think oscar will contend for a conference title while he's here?
Dax, I'm looking at you!
If Angel actually stays I expect us to compete, Quincy Miller's departure can only help.
By compete I mean a conference regular season similar to Mu's past season. This may be unrealistic but our talent/experience combo is second only to KU and oscar did show the ability to stay out the way of a talented and experienced team.
Sorry to break it to ya, we don't have the kind of players Self left behind
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Well, MIR, like I said earlier, there were things I hated about the Martin era and things I liked. Like, for instance, I thought franks offensive basketball IQ and his Xs and Os were dog crap terrible. I also think his early season "lessons" he taught our roster every year cost us any shot at a conference title by the end of January every season. If that makes me a Frankite so be it. If you disagree with me, your either a dumbass or you don't watch much KState basketball. on the flip side, I felt that the players really respected him and played hard for him. Which I really liked, among many other things.
As I recall, however, all of my comments on this topic were pretty much contained to a thread that was started thus past season about whether frank could ever win a conference title with his coaching style. If you want to play Internet Detective and investigate all of my prior posting, knock yourself out.
No dude, you weren't a Frankite, you were the opposite. The only thing you liked about the Frank Martin era is that the players played hard, but you liked nothing about how he made that happen, got it.
I don't have to dig up anything fact is that the only time you posted during basketball season was to complain about something Frank did. We could take a roll call of everyone you argued with durnig basketball season, but it isn't necessary, the answer is everyone but big willie, your red ass during basketball season made Zacker seem like an avowed Frankite.
:sdeek:
I seriously had no idea you were such an Internet hardass.
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if i walk into a room and there are dead people all over the place covered in blood and there is one living person and he looks crazy and strung out and has a huge knife in his hand with blood on the knife and blood dripping from his hands and he sees me and starts runnings towards me while simultaneously bringing up the arm that the knife is in up over his head...should i wait and see if he's going to kill me too or should i turn around and run? weber took over a basketball team that had five future nba players on it and then promptly produced two of the worst years in school history within nine years before being fired. you can stay in the room and try to ask the guy what happened and hope like heck that he's not the serial killer you think he is all you want, but i won't. i don't need to. there's already enough evidence for me to conclude that he is.
If your buddy drove his mom's Toyota Avalon (low miles and leather seats) for 5 years because he didn't make enough money to buy his own car but he always bitched about having to drive his mom's car because it wasn't even a convertible, it had a noticeable rattle somewhere by the front passenger floor speaker, and he couldn't spit game because it was an old person car and then he totalled his car and had to go buy a new car and ended up buying a Nissan Maxima mith more miles and he was always, constantly bitching about how his new ride wouldn't ever come close to comparing to his mom's Avalon because his mom's Avalon was so completely badass because it was a limited edition convertible and his game was so tight in that car that he couldn't beat the girls away with a stick, would you call your friend out as being full of crap? I mean, I would. I'd say, dude, you drove an Avalon for 5 years, what are you complaining about? It's not like you were driving an Audi or a Benz. And you didn't have the money to buy an Audi or a Benz.
You are seriously undervaluing Frank as a coach. oscar Weber is a huge downgrade.
Belvis is a well documented anfi-frankite. He is clearly going full tard for oscar because he isn't Frank. Belvis doesn't seem like a guy to waiver from a stance when he takes it. I look forward to seeing how he justifies not being entertained by oscar Weber November basketball. Dax on the other hand hates everyone, whenever the transition to hating Weber comes it will be really easy for him.
No I didn't hate Frank, I just chose to live in reality. I don't hate Weber, but I am not that thrilled with what's going on, and will fire with both barrels when the appropriate time comes. Less than 1 month of the guy being on campus is not the appropriate time. Had Frank walked out the door leaving behind a conference championship banner and a Final Four banner, I'd probably be more on the extremely butthurt side, like most people on here. But he didn't, he was good coach, a mediocre recruiter, who went to the NCAA tourney regularly, and had 1 nice NCAA tourney run. Something that's happened during the tenure of five other K-State coaches (and then some in several cases . . . LOL again at Frank's "coaching graveyard" comments). I don't think its tuckish or respectish at all to give a guy who has a Final Four ring, and a conference championship ring from a BCS conference (of which Frank Martin has NEITHER) the benefit of the doubt just 3.5 weeks into his tenure at K-State. Sometimes things just don't work out at a place but the guy didn't compile a 313-155 record on the D1 level by being a complete idiot.
Everybody is bitching and moaning about the staff, and about the recruiting, so once again lets review Frank Martin's recruiting once Bob Huggins walked out that door:
Ron Anderson (Franked)
Andre Gilbert (Franked)
Jamar Samuels :thumbsup:
Buchi Awaji :lol:
Abdul Herrera :lol: (Franked)
Jo :thumbsup:
Tay Irving :blank:
Wally Judge :thumbsup: then (Franked)
McGruber :thumbsup:
Nick Russell (Franked)
Freddy Asprilla :lol: (Franked)
Juevol Myles :lol: (Franked)
Shane Southwell :blank:
Will Spradling :blank:
Nino Williams :blank:
Robert Upshaw aka African American Jason Bennett
Laimonas Chatkevicius :lol:
Dax - As it related to Jason Bennett, it should be "Aferican"
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Will anyone go on record as saying they think oscar will contend for a conference title while he's here?
Dax, I'm looking at you!
That's kind of vague, but sure, I bet he finishes in the Top 3 and less than two games out of first at least once while he's here.
I'll be that guy.
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Well, MIR, like I said earlier, there were things I hated about the Martin era and things I liked. Like, for instance, I thought franks offensive basketball IQ and his Xs and Os were dog crap terrible. I also think his early season "lessons" he taught our roster every year cost us any shot at a conference title by the end of January every season. If that makes me a Frankite so be it. If you disagree with me, your either a dumbass or you don't watch much KState basketball. on the flip side, I felt that the players really respected him and played hard for him. Which I really liked, among many other things.
As I recall, however, all of my comments on this topic were pretty much contained to a thread that was started thus past season about whether frank could ever win a conference title with his coaching style. If you want to play Internet Detective and investigate all of my prior posting, knock yourself out.
No dude, you weren't a Frankite, you were the opposite. The only thing you liked about the Frank Martin era is that the players played hard, but you liked nothing about how he made that happen, got it.
I don't have to dig up anything fact is that the only time you posted during basketball season was to complain about something Frank did. We could take a roll call of everyone you argued with durnig basketball season, but it isn't necessary, the answer is everyone but big willie, your red ass during basketball season made Zacker seem like an avowed Frankite.
:sdeek:
I seriously had no idea you were such an Internet hardass.
That response had absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. "internet hardass?" I completely missed where I threatened you, postured, PIed or anything else that someone would associate with being an "internet hardass."
That was a shitty attempt at diverting the topic. Since you've tapped on my posts will you answer the last two questions that Rusty has posed, or is questioning you at all considered internet badassness?
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Will anyone go on record as saying they think oscar will contend for a conference title while he's here?
Dax, I'm looking at you!
That's kind of vague, but sure, I bet he finishes in the Top 3 and less than two games out of first at least once while he's here.
I'll be that guy.
wow. OK.
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Will anyone go on record as saying they think oscar will contend for a conference title while he's here?
Dax, I'm looking at you!
Oh wait a second, this team has gone from "they should contend for a league title and there's no reason why they shouldn't make a run to the Sweet 16" to serious doubts about any of that . . . just because oscar Weber is the coach?
And lets review the list of assistants under Frank, knock out the ultimately overpaid TeHill, and then take a look at the rest of the collective, roll back the clock 4-5 years . . . on paper, not impressive in the slightest. Outside of former Florida Junior College assistant coach Brad Underwood, who was only known because of his K-State history, pretty much a group of "who the eff are these guys"?
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Will anyone go on record as saying they think oscar will contend for a conference title while he's here?
Dax, I'm looking at you!
That's kind of vague, but sure, I bet he finishes in the Top 3 and less than two games out of first at least once while he's here.
I'll be that guy.
I'm not going to call my shot, but I don't think its impossible to believe either.
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Will anyone go on record as saying they think oscar will contend for a conference title while he's here?
Dax, I'm looking at you!
Oh wait a second, this team has gone from "they should contend for a league title and there's no reason why they shouldn't make a run to the Sweet 16" to serious doubts about any of that . . . just because oscar Weber is the coach?
And lets review the list of assistants under Frank, knock out the ultimately overpaid TeHill, and then take a look at the rest of the collective, roll back the clock 4-5 years . . . on paper, not impressive in the slightest. Outside of former Florida Junior College assistant coach Brad Underwood, who was only known because of his K-State history, pretty much a group of "who the eff are these guys"?
New coaches struggle. I'm preparing myself for a trainwreck season with the icecream man as the conductor.
Sprads will probably play really hard though.
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lets review the list of assistants under Frank, knock out the ultimately overpaid TeHill, and then take a look at the rest of the collective, roll back the clock 4-5 years . . . on paper, not impressive in the slightest. Outside of former Florida Junior College assistant coach Brad Underwood, who was only known because of his K-State history, pretty much a group of "who the eff are these guys"?
to be fair, people would have bitched about frank's assistants had they been butthurt at the time.
ultimately, though, everyone shot their wad early and butthurt over weber's assisstants was tempered by butthurt over weber not hiring assistants fast enough. it's an unfortunate situation.
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Will anyone go on record as saying they think oscar will contend for a conference title while he's here?
Dax, I'm looking at you!
Oh wait a second, this team has gone from "they should contend for a league title and there's no reason why they shouldn't make a run to the Sweet 16" to serious doubts about any of that . . . just because oscar Weber is the coach?
And lets review the list of assistants under Frank, knock out the ultimately overpaid TeHill, and then take a look at the rest of the collective, roll back the clock 4-5 years . . . on paper, not impressive in the slightest. Outside of former Florida Junior College assistant coach Brad Underwood, who was only known because of his K-State history, pretty much a group of "who the eff are these guys"?
A simple "no" would have sufficed.
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Will anyone go on record as saying they think oscar will contend for a conference title while he's here?
Dax, I'm looking at you!
That's kind of vague, but sure, I bet he finishes in the Top 3 and less than two games out of first at least once while he's here.
I'll be that guy.
I'm not going to call my shot, but I don't think its impossible to believe either.
#notimpossibletobelieve
#nosotroscreemos
#ourtime
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Well, I mean, Frank was:
3rd
T–4th
T–2nd
T–3rd
5th
in conference. And the year he tied for second we were, like, 4 games out of first. I guess it comes down to what you mean by "contend". If you would say that Frank contended for a conference title then I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that oscar could contend for one.
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Well, I mean, Frank was:
3rd
T–4th
T–2nd
T–3rd
5th
in conference. And the year he tied for second we were, like, 4 games out of first. I guess it comes down to what you mean by "contend". If you would say that Frank contended for a conference title then I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that oscar could contend for one.
Frank never contended for a conference title.
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Well, I mean, Frank was:
3rd
T–4th
T–2nd
T–3rd
5th
in conference. And the year he tied for second we were, like, 4 games out of first. I guess it comes down to what you mean by "contend". If you would say that Frank contended for a conference title then I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that oscar could contend for one.
Frank never contended for a conference title.
ok, then I don't think oscar will either
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also, lol at Frank's conference finishes and our treatment of him. OMG we were a bunch of dumbfucks. :lol:
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blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results
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#notimpossibletobelieve
#nosotroscreemos
#ourtime
I also think oscar has enough of a track record, unlike the last 25 years of Royals baseball. Please don't put examples in my post that I did not mean.
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What is "contend"? In the hunt going down the stretch, within a certain number of games? What?
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blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results
people liked frank more than they liked his basketball
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blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results
people liked frank more than they liked his basketball
yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.
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contend means that you are within a game or two of a conference title heading in to the last 2 weeks of the reg season.
If you are 3 games out with 4 games left you aren't contending. If you get swept by the leader, you aren't contending.
Frank Never contended fwiw.
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It's going to take less than 4 losses to win the big 12 most years. If you have 3 losses heading into Webruary you aren't contending.
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blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results
people liked frank more than they liked his basketball
yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.
not sure why you said yeah and then disagreed with me. weird bbs strat.
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blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results
people liked frank more than they liked his basketball
yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.
not sure why you said yeah and then disagreed with me. weird bbs strat.
sarcastic yeah to make you look like a dumbass :face:
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the elite 8 run and other tournament wins had a lot to do with it too. if that elite 8 team would've lost in the first round then people would've had a different overall opinion imo. that was pretty significant. i mean frank took over a program that hadn't been to the tournament in like fifteen years and almost got them to a final four almost immediately.
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blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results
people liked frank more than they liked his basketball
yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.
not sure why you said yeah and then disagreed with me. weird bbs strat.
sarcastic yeah to make you look like a dumbass :face:
oh man, sick burn bro.
so anyway, you're wrong. but a++ sarcasm!
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except I'm not. Frank had a ridiculous amount of high level wins. they were fun as crap. and a ton of them were on the road making them even more ridiculous. then nobody cared as much when we get swept by the CUs and OUs of the world.
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It's a loaded question because bill self owns first place in this conference.
Fwiw, I would bet weber would win a 5th conference title before Frank ever wins one at all...though I don't think either is very likely.
Also would bet weber would have an overall losing record before Frank would...so there's that.
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blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results
people liked frank more than they liked his basketball
yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.
FWIW, oscar was 10-30 against Top 10 kenpom teams over his career at Illinois. 6 of those wins came in the last 4 years. Frank was 9-15 against kenpom Top 10.
oscar wasn't quite as good with these types of wins or winning on the road (won a third of the time on the road), but he also wasn't horrible at either.
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except I'm not. Frank had a ridiculous amount of high level wins. they were fun as crap. and a ton of them were on the road making them even more ridiculous. then nobody cared as much when we get swept by the CUs and OUs of the world.
If you believed the "playing to our seed" talking point, than all Frankites should have been devastated by the choke job of 3 (really 4) home conference games. If things held true to form, those choke jobs cost K-State, and Frankites everywhere a second NCAA weekend and at least one more week with Frank.
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it doesn't matter how he does it = frank
it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber
the butthurts are so lost right now.
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blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results
people liked frank more than they liked his basketball
yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.
FWIW, oscar was 10-30 against Top 10 kenpom teams over his career at Illinois. 6 of those wins came in the last 4 years. Frank was 9-15 against kenpom Top 10.
oscar wasn't quite as good with these types of wins or winning on the road (won a third of the time on the road), but he also wasn't horrible at either.
10-30 is horrible compared to 9-15, fwiw.
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it doesn't matter how he does it = frank
it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber
good descripto
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blinded by slightly above mediocre results after years of shitty results
people liked frank more than they liked his basketball
yeah, and the big wins had a lot to do with it. trading bad losses for great wins is great.
FWIW, oscar was 10-30 against Top 10 kenpom teams over his career at Illinois. 6 of those wins came in the last 4 years. Frank was 9-15 against kenpom Top 10.
oscar wasn't quite as good with these types of wins or winning on the road (won a third of the time on the road), but he also wasn't horrible at either.
10-30 is horrible compared to 9-15, fwiw.
yeah, was kind of surprised stats_FAN rolled that out there in the way he did
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it doesn't matter how he does it = frank
it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber
good descripto
nice tap out, captain butthurt
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yeah, was kind of surprised stats_FAN rolled that out there in the way he did
I didn't put it out there as a defense, the numbers are what they are. Frank's records against Top 10s (38%) and on the road (50%) are records that should have competed more often for conference titles honestly.
I was implying that oscar's records (25% Top 10s, 33% road) aren't terrible and can get teams to consistent NCAAs as long as you win at home and win most "should win" games.
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it doesn't matter how he does it = frank
it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber
the butthurts are so lost right now.
me disliking oscar weber and the hiring of him has zero to do with frank. if travis ford would've left to take the south carolina job instead of frank and oklahoma state would've hired weber, i would've thought it was a trash hire just as much and it wouldn't have been because i was blinded by travis ford love. also, my liking of frank didn't cause oscar weber to finish ten games under .500 in conference over the past five years.
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it doesn't matter how he does it = frank
it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber
the butthurts are so lost right now.
me disliking oscar weber and the hiring of him has zero to do with frank. if travis ford would've left to take the south carolina job instead of frank and oklahoma state would've hired weber, i would've thought it was a trash hire just as much and it wouldn't have been because i was blinded by travis ford love and my liking of frank didn't cause oscar weber to finish ten games under .500 in conference over the past five years.
u mad bro?
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yeah, was kind of surprised stats_FAN rolled that out there in the way he did
I didn't put it out there as a defense, the numbers are what they are. Frank's records against Top 10s (38%) and on the road (50%) are records that should have competed more often for conference titles honestly.
I was implying that oscar's records (25% Top 10s, 33% road) aren't terrible and can get teams to consistent NCAAs as long as you win at home and win most "should win" games.
illinois (sp?) restricted oscar and held him back from being able to show what he can do. oscar isn't a b10 coach, imagine if frank had to coach against bo ryan every year. much different results.
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Oh, man, I bet people called him Candy Korn when he was younger.
People don't talk that sh@t now though, since he landed that hot piece of Mrs. Korn. That's a rough ridin' handsome woman.
Why would that keep people from talking crap, though? Is her name Candy or something? I can see how that would get confusing.
Respect. People are all like "Candy Korn!" and he's all "Oh yeah, well look at my wife. She's attractive." and then people are like "Served." or "Nice." or maybe "Word." It's complicated.
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Oh, man, I bet people called him Candy Korn when he was younger.
People don't talk that sh@t now though, since he landed that hot piece of Mrs. Korn. That's a rough ridin' handsome woman.
Why would that keep people from talking crap, though? Is her name Candy or something? I can see how that would get confusing.
Respect. People are all like "Candy Korn!" and he's all "Oh yeah, well look at my wife. She's attractive." and then people are like "Served." or "Nice." or maybe "Word." It's complicated.
Speaking of complicated, any word on hiring assistant coaches? How did the ABIII interview go? Has it been confirmed that Korn is the Video intern? :dunno:
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it doesn't matter how he does it = frank
it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber
the butthurts are so lost right now.
me disliking oscar weber and the hiring of him has zero to do with frank. if travis ford would've left to take the south carolina job instead of frank and oklahoma state would've hired weber, i would've thought it was a trash hire just as much and it wouldn't have been because i was blinded by travis ford love and my liking of frank didn't cause oscar weber to finish ten games under .500 in conference over the past five years.
u mad bro?
not mad. kind of annoying that i have to keep correcting your factually incorrect statements though. time will tell in the end and i guess we'll see if oscar weber can actually win a conference title at kstate like you think he can. i don't think he can but you do so i guess we'll just have to wait and see is what i'm saying.
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it doesn't matter how he does it = frank
it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber
the butthurts are so lost right now.
If you think it is reasonable to expect Weber's results to even be in the vicinity of Frank's time here after 5 years, you are blindly optimistic. What leads you to believe that is going to happen? A discussion of whether or not Weber is going to contend for a Big 12 title and the definition of "contend" is rough ridin' absurd. The discussion should be whether Weber will be finishing in the top HALF of the conference in years 3+. You guys are like some eff buying a lottery ticket and then sitting in the office all week talking about the merits of living in the Caribbean vs. the South Pacific. You should be worried about the fact that your wife is rough ridin' the UPS man and they are about to clean out your accounts, burn down your house, and disappear. eff.
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Frank had some bad losses yes, but we've always lost those types of games in the past, mostly because we sucked. The good wins were a real bonus.
Also, I didn't mind the bad losses because the team was usually playing well come the tournament, so I gave frank the benefit of the doubt.
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the people who are butthurt about other people being butthurt about oscar weber being our coach need to quit bringing up frank martin. WGAF about Frank Martin.
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I think AB III and Shingler would make me content. Not really happy, but not angry.
(Getting back to the point of this thread.)
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Shingler
LOL
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Also, although I do not believe the glass to be half full, I too hope we win, belvis
:cheers:
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Shingler
LOL
I mean, do you know what he was doing before KSU, why he was brought into KSU, what he did after he left KSU and what he did after that? I mean, maybe John Currie has no rough ridin' clue and he would agree to bring him in but I'm guessing he knows.
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it doesn't matter how he does it = frank
it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber
the butthurts are so lost right now.
me disliking oscar weber and the hiring of him has zero to do with frank. if travis ford would've left to take the south carolina job instead of frank and oklahoma state would've hired weber, i would've thought it was a trash hire just as much and it wouldn't have been because i was blinded by travis ford love and my liking of frank didn't cause oscar weber to finish ten games under .500 in conference over the past five years.
u mad bro?
can't speak for Rick but yeah i'm MAD
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Shingler
LOL
I mean, do you know what he was doing before KSU, why he was brought into KSU, what he did after he left KSU and what he did after that? I mean, maybe John Currie has no rough ridin' clue and he would agree to bring him in but I'm guessing he knows.
I'm speaking in hypotheticals, and his name has been thrown out there.
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it doesn't matter how he does it = frank
it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber
the butthurts are so lost right now.
If you think it is reasonable to expect Weber's results to even be in the vicinity of Frank's time here after 5 years, you are blindly optimistic. What leads you to believe that is going to happen? A discussion of whether or not Weber is going to contend for a Big 12 title and the definition of "contend" is rough ridin' absurd. The discussion should be whether Weber will be finishing in the top HALF of the conference in years 3+. You guys are like some eff buying a lottery ticket and then sitting in the office all week talking about the merits of living in the Caribbean vs. the South Pacific. You should be worried about the fact that your wife is rough ridin' the UPS man and they are about to clean out your accounts, burn down your house, and disappear. eff.
/rickdaris post /BMC post
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Shingler
LOL
I mean, do you know what he was doing before KSU, why he was brought into KSU, what he did after he left KSU and what he did after that? I mean, maybe John Currie has no rough ridin' clue and he would agree to bring him in but I'm guessing he knows.
I'm speaking in hypotheticals, and his name has been thrown out there.
Some people throw names, others throw batteries.
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I think AB III and Shingler would make me content. Not really happy, but not angry.
(Getting back to the point of this thread.)
I think I'm done lowering the bar for oscar at this point. Contentment on this staff for me went out the window after he airballed on both Howard and Forrest to effing SMU and LSU.
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Shingler
LOL
I mean, do you know what he was doing before KSU, why he was brought into KSU, what he did after he left KSU and what he did after that? I mean, maybe John Currie has no rough ridin' clue and he would agree to bring him in but I'm guessing he knows.
I'm speaking in hypotheticals, and his name has been thrown out there.
He threw his own name out there.
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Shingler
LOL
I mean, do you know what he was doing before KSU, why he was brought into KSU, what he did after he left KSU and what he did after that? I mean, maybe John Currie has no rough ridin' clue and he would agree to bring him in but I'm guessing he knows.
I'm speaking in hypotheticals, and his name has been thrown out there.
He threw his own name out there.
I didn't catch that.
(sigh)
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Anybody on Greenburg's staff worth looking at?
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Anybody on Greenburg's staff worth looking at?
Anybody with high major experience that hasn't been fired worth looking at?
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time will tell in the end and i guess we'll see if oscar weber can actually win a conference title at kstate like you think he can. i don't think he can but you do so i guess we'll just have to wait and see is what i'm saying.
Honest question - with Frank's '12-'13 team, which coach has a better chance of contending for a title? Frank or oscar?
I believe the answer is oscar.
I just don't think Frank's coaching style of break em down and build em up every January is conducive to Conference Titles. Proof is in the pudding. Even his best two teams ('09-'10, '10-'11) weren't remotely close to contending. The argument can certainly be made that it helped us in March, however. Again, proof is in the pudding. Frank's NCAA record is strong. MIR, please note this compliment for the record. I want your cyberstalking history to be as accurate as possible for future reference.
I don't know if Weber'll be able to recruit the right type of players or be as consistent in the NCAAs.
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Anybody on Greenburg's staff worth looking at?
Anybody with high major experience that hasn't been fired worth looking at?
Recruiting wasn't what got Greenburg fired.
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it doesn't matter how he does it = frank
it doesn't matter because he's not frank = weber
the butthurts are so lost right now.
If you think it is reasonable to expect Weber's results to even be in the vicinity of Frank's time here after 5 years, you are blindly optimistic. What leads you to believe that is going to happen? A discussion of whether or not Weber is going to contend for a Big 12 title and the definition of "contend" is rough ridin' absurd. The discussion should be whether Weber will be finishing in the top HALF of the conference in years 3+. You guys are like some eff buying a lottery ticket and then sitting in the office all week talking about the merits of living in the Caribbean vs. the South Pacific. You should be worried about the fact that your wife is rough ridin' the UPS man and they are about to clean out your accounts, burn down your house, and disappear. eff.
why would i worry about any of those things? you're a weird poster, McCock.
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Anybody on Greenburg's staff worth looking at?
Anybody with high major experience that hasn't been fired worth looking at?
Recruiting wasn't what got Greenburg fired.
2 assistant coaches already left, that's one reason why he got canned . . . and nice that you pointed out that fact to #teambutthurt Pan.
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Anybody on Greenburg's staff worth looking at?
Anybody with high major experience that hasn't been fired worth looking at?
Recruiting wasn't what got Greenburg fired.
His recruiting wasn't good relative to the ACC, either.
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Why not say you believe oscar can have a better conference winning percentage, better average conference finish, better NCAA tournament record, etc.?
no one has answered this question. Does anyone think oscar will leave with a better conference winning percentage, average conference finish, or do better in the NCAA tournament than Frank did?
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Anybody on Greenburg's staff worth looking at?
Anybody with high major experience that hasn't been fired worth looking at?
Recruiting wasn't what got Greenburg fired.
His recruiting wasn't good relative to the ACC, either.
They got commits from 4 Top 100 guys in the last 2 recruiting classes. Once you get past UNC and Duke that's actually some really good recruiting for the ACC, which right now, isn't that good of a basketball conference.
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Why not say you believe oscar can have a better conference winning percentage, better average conference finish, better NCAA tournament record, etc.?
no one has answered this question. Does anyone think oscar will leave with a better conference winning percentage, average conference finish, or do better in the NCAA tournament than Frank did?
Because I don't know. I would say the same thing had we hired Gottlieb, kept Brad, etc.
But here are my best guesses:
I think its most likely his overall first 5 years record will be slightly worse in the league.
I think K-State be in postseason every year.
I think K-State have at least 3 NCAA appearances.
I think at least 3 upper half league finishes.
If we don't at least do that, I'll be all for getting rid of him.
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time will tell in the end and i guess we'll see if oscar weber can actually win a conference title at kstate like you think he can. i don't think he can but you do so i guess we'll just have to wait and see is what i'm saying.
Honest question - with Frank's '12-'13 team, which coach has a better chance of contending for a title? Frank or oscar?
dnr the rest forrest gump.
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Why not say you believe oscar can have a better conference winning percentage, better average conference finish, better NCAA tournament record, etc.?
no one has answered this question. Does anyone think oscar will leave with a better conference winning percentage, average conference finish, or do better in the NCAA tournament than Frank did?
It will be close.
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Anybody on Greenburg's staff worth looking at?
Anybody with high major experience that hasn't been fired worth looking at?
Recruiting wasn't what got Greenburg fired.
His recruiting wasn't good relative to the ACC, either.
They got commits from 4 Top 100 guys in the last 2 recruiting classes. Once you get past UNC and Duke that's actually some really good recruiting for the ACC, which right now, isn't that good of a basketball conference.
Getting 4 star players (plural) to Blacksburg is pretty good recruiting.
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time will tell in the end and i guess we'll see if oscar weber can actually win a conference title at kstate like you think he can. i don't think he can but you do so i guess we'll just have to wait and see is what i'm saying.
Honest question - with Frank's '12-'13 team, which coach has a better chance of contending for a title? Frank or oscar?
dnr the rest forrest gump.
Good question . . . and the first question you'd have to ask yourself once the Franking's ended, and then Frank was out there picking up crumbs on the JuCo circuit is . . . how many times Frank tells Stan "we're young".
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Why not say you believe oscar can have a better conference winning percentage, better average conference finish, better NCAA tournament record, etc.?
no one has answered this question. Does anyone think oscar will leave with a better conference winning percentage, average conference finish, or do better in the NCAA tournament than Frank did?
Because I don't know. I would say the same thing had we hired Gottlieb, kept Brad, etc.
But here are my best guesses:
I think its most likely his overall first 5 years record will be slightly worse in the league.
I think K-State be in postseason every year.
I think K-State have at least 3 NCAA appearances.
I think at least 3 upper half league finishes.
If we don't at least do that, I'll be all for getting rid of him.
I think you should revise to clarify "postseason". I mean, if we go NIT'ing or CBI'ing every yr for the next 5, w/ no NCAA'ing, and do the rest of what you listed, I would be pissed.
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PISSED.
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Why not say you believe oscar can have a better conference winning percentage, better average conference finish, better NCAA tournament record, etc.?
no one has answered this question. Does anyone think oscar will leave with a better conference winning percentage, average conference finish, or do better in the NCAA tournament than Frank did?
I'm not sure who you are baiting with this. Has anyone claimed this was an obvious upgrade? I will say I wouldn't be shocked if this is the case. I'm not expecting it though.
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I think you should revise to clarify "postseason". I mean, if we go NIT'ing or CBI'ing every yr for the next 5, w/ no NCAA'ing, and do the rest of what you listed, I would be pissed.
I did, that's why I said at least 3 NCAAs. If he has no NCAAs in the first 3 years he should be fired, let alone 5.
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I think you should revise to clarify "postseason". I mean, if we go NIT'ing or CBI'ing every yr for the next 5, w/ no NCAA'ing, and do the rest of what you listed, I would be pissed.
I did, that's why I said at least 3 NCAAs. If he has no NCAAs in the first 3 years he should be fired, let alone 5.
I'd lower 3 to 2.
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My reading comprehension is lacking today.
Sorry to all.
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We'll give him the Wooly treatment. Just needs to make it to the NIT every once in a while and he'll be good.
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Anybody on Greenburg's staff worth looking at?
Anybody with high major experience that hasn't been fired worth looking at?
Recruiting wasn't what got Greenburg fired.
His recruiting wasn't good relative to the ACC, either.
They got commits from 4 Top 100 guys in the last 2 recruiting classes. Once you get past UNC and Duke that's actually some really good recruiting for the ACC, which right now, isn't that good of a basketball conference.
Getting 4 star players (plural) to Blacksburg is pretty good recruiting.
Not really.
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I think you should revise to clarify "postseason". I mean, if we go NIT'ing or CBI'ing every yr for the next 5, w/ no NCAA'ing, and do the rest of what you listed, I would be pissed.
I did, that's why I said at least 3 NCAAs. If he has no NCAAs in the first 3 years he should be fired, let alone 5.
I'd lower 3 to 2.
Probably, but I'm being realistic. He will feel plenty of pressure next year because of the talent he inherited, and if he only managed an NIT he would feel heat. But the admin would give him another year or two most likely. Then in year 2 if it tanked and he went 10-20, then you have to make a change. But if he's competitive and fields an NIT team again in year 2, then he'll get the third year. Granted, none of us want that to happen and (I hope) the majority of fans would be ticked, but he'd certainly get 3 years under that scenario IMO.
Of course none of us want to go down that path because that is leading to mediocre basketball, but I trust that the fans and admin wouldn't let it go on more than 3 years. I think we've come far enough to this point that this is expected, but as long as Currie stays he will give his hire a fair shot as long as the program doesn't completely tank. If that makes you more frustrated, so be it, but that's where we are at.
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Getting 4 star players (plural) to Blacksburg is pretty good recruiting.
Not really.
if you can't get goEMAW to agree with you...you won't get mike decoursey.
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Of course none of us want to go down that path because that is leading to mediocre basketball, but I trust that the fans and admin wouldn't let it go on more than 3 years. I think we've come far enough to this point that this is expected, but as long as Currie stays he will give his hire a fair shot as long as the program doesn't completely tank. If that makes you more frustrated, so be it, but that's where we are at.
The fans and admin have convinced themselves that a coach that SMU interviewed and turned down was a decent hire so I see no reason why the gradual downward slide of expectations will stop any time soon.
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Getting 4 star players (plural) to Blacksburg is pretty good recruiting.
Not really.
if you can't get goEMAW to agree with you...you won't get mike decoursey.
panj is like a mini Mike DeCoursey
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Why not say you believe oscar can have a better conference winning percentage, better average conference finish, better NCAA tournament record, etc.?
no one has answered this question. Does anyone think oscar will leave with a better conference winning percentage, average conference finish, or do better in the NCAA tournament than Frank did?
I think it will be close. I think Weber's ceiling is higher than Frank's. I also think his floor is lower than Frank's. Frank had a unique style that worked at K-State, but it was pretty clear that it had limitations. Same is true with Mike Anderson teams. We outworked teams. On the upside, Frank's style lent itself to being competitive in most games and road games even when shooting 35%. Also, with "down" teams sans Pullen, Kelly, Clemente, we were still competitive. On the downside, we were pretty limited offensively and it seems like good coaches schemed the crap out of us.
With Weber, I'm not sure what we'll get. He won with Southern Illinois players. He won with Self's players. He won with his own players. He lost with his own players. He's been on both ends of the spectrum. So, it's possible that he'll fail to live up to Martin in every statistical category. It's possible that he could exceed Martin. I think he'll probably be somewhere in the middle.
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Why not say you believe oscar can have a better conference winning percentage, better average conference finish, better NCAA tournament record, etc.?
no one has answered this question. Does anyone think oscar will leave with a better conference winning percentage, average conference finish, or do better in the NCAA tournament than Frank did?
I think it will be close. I think Weber's ceiling is higher than Frank's. I also think his floor is lower than Frank's. Frank had a unique style that worked at K-State, but it was pretty clear that it had limitations. Same is true with Mike Anderson teams. We outworked teams. On the upside, Frank's style lent itself to being competitive in most games and road games even when shooting 35%. Also, with "down" teams sans Pullen, Kelly, Clemente, we were still competitive. On the downside, we were pretty limited offensively and it seems like good coaches schemed the crap out of us.
With Weber, I'm not sure what we'll get. He won with Southern Illinois players. He won with Self's players. He won with his own players. He lost with his own players. He's been on both ends of the spectrum. So, it's possible that he'll fail to live up to Martin in every statistical category. It's possible that he could exceed Martin. I think he'll probably be somewhere in the middle.
I'll mark you down for worse, worse, and better.
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Of course none of us want to go down that path because that is leading to mediocre basketball, but I trust that the fans and admin wouldn't let it go on more than 3 years. I think we've come far enough to this point that this is expected, but as long as Currie stays he will give his hire a fair shot as long as the program doesn't completely tank. If that makes you more frustrated, so be it, but that's where we are at.
The fans and admin have convinced themselves that a coach that SMU interviewed and turned down was a decent hire so I see no reason why the gradual downward slide of expectations will stop any time soon.
Link?
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Of course none of us want to go down that path because that is leading to mediocre basketball, but I trust that the fans and admin wouldn't let it go on more than 3 years. I think we've come far enough to this point that this is expected, but as long as Currie stays he will give his hire a fair shot as long as the program doesn't completely tank. If that makes you more frustrated, so be it, but that's where we are at.
The fans and admin have convinced themselves that a coach that SMU interviewed and turned down was a decent hire so I see no reason why the gradual downward slide of expectations will stop any time soon.
Link?
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/source-smu-interviews-oscar-weber.html
so maybe I stretched the truth a bit. They just waited until 18 days after firing Doherty to interview oscar. I'm sure he was their first choice, though.
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I'll mark you down for worse, worse, and better.
Put me down for "wait and see." If you need something more definitive, put me down for "about the same."
If Weber's first 3 years are as follows: '12-'13: Conference Title + Sweet 16, '13-'14 NIT, '14-'15 NIT is he worse, better, or about the same as Martin, and why?
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Does anyone think Frank would've topped himself in those three categories over a second five years? :dunno:
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Of course none of us want to go down that path because that is leading to mediocre basketball, but I trust that the fans and admin wouldn't let it go on more than 3 years. I think we've come far enough to this point that this is expected, but as long as Currie stays he will give his hire a fair shot as long as the program doesn't completely tank. If that makes you more frustrated, so be it, but that's where we are at.
The fans and admin have convinced themselves that a coach that SMU interviewed and turned down was a decent hire so I see no reason why the gradual downward slide of expectations will stop any time soon.
Link?
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/source-smu-interviews-oscar-weber.html
so maybe I stretched the truth a bit. They just waited until 18 days after firing Doherty to interview oscar. I'm sure he was their first choice, though.
To your "decent hire" point; I'd say less than 10% of K-State fans thought he was a decent hire when they heard about it. But a majority have since said they're willing to give him a chance. I don't see why that equates with going back to mediocre expectations. I mean the talk of burning things down and firing Currie was nice, but it was never realistic. I'm on record that if things go south quickly I'll be all for making a change quickly, I think most of our fanbase will be the same. I think if Currie is still here he'll be the same, because if the resume talking point is remotely accurate, he won't want to sit on below average success at K-State with a coach he hired.
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Of course none of us want to go down that path because that is leading to mediocre basketball, but I trust that the fans and admin wouldn't let it go on more than 3 years. I think we've come far enough to this point that this is expected, but as long as Currie stays he will give his hire a fair shot as long as the program doesn't completely tank. If that makes you more frustrated, so be it, but that's where we are at.
The fans and admin have convinced themselves that a coach that SMU interviewed and turned down was a decent hire so I see no reason why the gradual downward slide of expectations will stop any time soon.
Link?
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/03/source-smu-interviews-oscar-weber.html
so maybe I stretched the truth a bit. They just waited until 18 days after firing Doherty to interview oscar. I'm sure he was their first choice, though.
i'd seen it brought up multiple times, just making sure i didn't miss anything. Their whole hiring process has been a crap show.
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Does anyone think Frank would've topped himself in those three categories over a second five years? :dunno:
Absolutely. He might not have gone better than Elite Eight, but I think everything else would have improved. I expect Weber to be worse in every category I listed.
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Also, SMU's first choice was (LOL) Buzz Williams. Weber was probably #2 I'm guessing and they would've loved to have him.
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To your "decent hire" point; I'd say less than 10% of K-State fans thought he was a decent hire when they heard about it. But a majority have since said they're willing to give him a chance. I don't see why that equates with going back to mediocre expectations. I mean the talk of burning things down and firing Currie was nice, but it was never realistic. I'm on record that if things go south quickly I'll be all for making a change quickly, I think most of our fanbase will be the same. I think if Currie is still here he'll be the same, because if the resume talking point is remotely accurate, he won't want to sit on below average success at K-State with a coach he hired.
+1.
my standard is NCAA 2/3 and top 4/5 in conference. If Weber can't pull this off in the first 3 years, he should be gone and Currie too.
Frank leaving sucked. But, moving forward, I'm willing to wait and see if Weber can pull off the above criteria.
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To your "decent hire" point; I'd say less than 10% of K-State fans thought he was a decent hire when they heard about it. But a majority have since said they're willing to give him a chance. I don't see why that equates with going back to mediocre expectations.
It's a symptom that points to lowered expectations syndrome.
I'm on record that if things go south quickly I'll be all for making a change quickly, I think most of our fanbase will be the same. I think if Currie is still here he'll be the same, because if the resume talking point is remotely accurate, he won't want to sit on below average success at K-State with a coach he hired.
The thing is, I have little doubt that things won't go south quickly. It will be nice and gradual.
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Does anyone think Frank would've topped himself in those three categories over a second five years? :dunno:
Yes, he would of topped it.
I think Frank was set up to have a real nice run with Angel, 12-13 would have been similar to 09-10, a small step back with 13-14 and another great run with Angel as a senior in 14-15. Last two are tougher to project, but I think between his So FL connections still feeding him players and his national image only increasing over that time he would at least put together tournament teams when Angel was gone.
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I think Weber sucks and we should fire him today for the sole reason that I think he sucks and will continue to suck.
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if we have another run like wooly's, the football team is kicking major ass.
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if we have another run like wooly's, the football team is kicking major ass.
The FB team is def the big winner here.
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Does anyone think Frank would've topped himself in those three categories over a second five years? :dunno:
Absolutely. He might not have gone better than Elite Eight, but I think everything else would have improved. I expect Weber to be worse in every category I listed.
I don't know. He never had a team that didn't feature a 'te recruit as its best player. I don't think he would been better, though, again, wouldn't have shocked me.
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Does anyone think Frank would've topped himself in those three categories over a second five years? :dunno:
Absolutely. He might not have gone better than Elite Eight, but I think everything else would have improved. I expect Weber to be worse in every category I listed.
I don't know. He never had a team that didn't feature a 'te recruit as its best player. I don't think he would been better, though, again, wouldn't have shocked me.
Angel was well on his way to being a fine "best player." I also think the staff made several recruiting mistakes in the 08, 09, and 10 classes that didn't seem to pop up in the 11 and 12 classes. He also had a successful track record built up that he obviously lacked while recruiting those early classes.
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Getting 4 star players (plural) to Blacksburg is pretty good recruiting.
Not really.
if you can't get goEMAW to agree with you...you won't get mike decoursey.
panj is like a mini Mike DeCoursey
I'd like to think that my expectations for our program (and other programs) are somewhat in line with reality.
That's not always the case, but I think it's in the ball park.
For a program with eight NCAA tournament appearances in their history, with only one S16 and one E8 run (both back in the 60's), while recruiting to a rural football school in Southwest Virginia (who could care less about basketball), to get four Top 100 players in the past two years is pretty good.
But, hey, I'm crazy for thinking that.
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Does anyone think Frank would've topped himself in those three categories over a second five years? :dunno:
Absolutely. He might not have gone better than Elite Eight, but I think everything else would have improved. I expect Weber to be worse in every category I listed.
I don't know. He never had a team that didn't feature a 'te recruit as its best player. I don't think he would been better, though, again, wouldn't have shocked me.
I don't know if Frank would have gotten "better". I think where he was is where he was ultimately going to stay given how he ran his program. We had reached stasis.
Perpetually young teams, constantly shifting recruiting spots and AAU connections because of burnt bridges, and the lack of urgency in winning regular season games/titles (and pushing the focus to March) means that we'd probably just hover where we were. Which, obviously, wasn't bad. But if you wanted more, I don't think Frank was going to turn some corner and really ramp up.
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I think you should revise to clarify "postseason". I mean, if we go NIT'ing or CBI'ing every yr for the next 5, w/ no NCAA'ing, and do the rest of what you listed, I would be pissed.
I did, that's why I said at least 3 NCAAs. If he has no NCAAs in the first 3 years he should be fired, let alone 5.
I'd lower 3 to 2.
Probably, but I'm being realistic. He will feel plenty of pressure next year because of the talent he inherited, and if he only managed an NIT he would feel heat. But the admin would give him another year or two most likely. Then in year 2 if it tanked and he went 10-20, then you have to make a change. But if he's competitive and fields an NIT team again in year 2, then he'll get the third year. Granted, none of us want that to happen and (I hope) the majority of fans would be ticked, but he'd certainly get 3 years under that scenario IMO.
Of course none of us want to go down that path because that is leading to mediocre basketball, but I trust that the fans and admin wouldn't let it go on more than 3 years. I think we've come far enough to this point that this is expected, but as long as Currie stays he will give his hire a fair shot as long as the program doesn't completely tank. If that makes you more frustrated, so be it, but that's where we are at.
what is your basis for believing that admin and fans would not put up with mediocre basketball for more than 3 years?
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During the Elite 8 run was Denis our best player?
Was Denis a Frank recruit?
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what is your basis for believing that admin and fans would not put up with mediocre basketball for more than 3 years?
We know what good basketball is like again. And I don't think as many people will look away to football, not that I expect football to reach the heights it was when mediocre basketball became accepted. To think that K-State or its fans would accept a repeat of what Wooly did is absurd to me.
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LOL at anyone talking about the next 5 years with Frank....he had filled his nest with crap.
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LOL at anyone talking about the next 5 years with Frank....he had filled his nest with crap.
NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT OR CARING ABOUT FRANK!
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what is your basis for believing that admin and fans would not put up with mediocre basketball for more than 3 years?
We know what good basketball is like again. And I don't think as many people will look away to football, not that I expect football to reach the heights it was when mediocre basketball became accepted. To think that K-State or its fans would accept a repeat of what Wooly did is absurd to me.
If football is rolling again, they won't give a crap about what basketball is doing.
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LOL at anyone talking about the next 5 years with Frank....he had filled his nest with crap.
NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT OR CARING ABOUT FRANK!
Yes they are. oscar's standard will be Frank. It is what it is.
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LOL at anyone talking about the next 5 years with Frank....he had filled his nest with crap.
NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT OR CARING ABOUT FRANK!
everyone is talking about and caring about Frank followed by the angry face is what you meant to post.
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A standard is set irregardless of who the coach is. The standard should be .500 in off years and top 4 during good years. i'd say top 4 finishes 3 out of 5 years and top half finishes every year should be standard here.
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A standard is set irregardless of who the coach is. The standard should be .500 in off years and top 4 during good years. i'd say top 4 finishes 3 out of 5 years and top half finishes every year should be standard here.
everyone has different standards. 99% of our fanbase's standard is going to be how Frank had performed and how they think he would have performed going forward.
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LOL at anyone talking about the next 5 years with Frank....he had filled his nest with crap.
NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT OR CARING ABOUT FRANK!
LOL...blind? or just choosing to ignore? ....Frank mentioned 15 times in the 20 posts on this page.
btw, "irregardless" is not a word....discuss
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A standard is set irregardless of who the coach is. The standard should be .500 in off years and top 4 during good years. i'd say top 4 finishes 3 out of 5 years and top half finishes every year should be standard here.
everyone has different standards. 99% of our fanbase's standard is going to be how Frank had performed and how they think he would have performed going forward.
Well that's effing stupid and all you retards who think this way deserve to be miserable going forward.
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LOL at anyone talking about the next 5 years with Frank....he had filled his nest with crap.
NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT OR CARING ABOUT FRANK!
LOL...blind? or just choosing to ignore? ....Frank mentioned 15 times in the 20 posts on this page.
btw, "irregardless" is not a word....discuss
well then you didn't see what i did there you fuktard.
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A standard is set irregardless of who the coach is. The standard should be .500 in off years and top 4 during good years. i'd say top 4 finishes 3 out of 5 years and top half finishes every year should be standard here.
everyone has different standards. 99% of our fanbase's standard is going to be how Frank had performed and how they think he would have performed going forward.
Well that's effing stupid and all you retards who think this way deserve to be miserable going forward.
do you disagree with it though? I mean, it's fact. if we are going to get into what our fanbase does that rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) we will be here awhile.
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Can somone point in the direction of the Frank v Weber debate? I keep getting lost in this Assistant Coach Rumor Thread. Weird.
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Can somone point in the direction of the Frank v Weber debate? I keep getting lost in this Assistant Coach Rumor Thread. Weird.
debate?
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A standard is set irregardless of who the coach is. The standard should be .500 in off years and top 4 during good years. i'd say top 4 finishes 3 out of 5 years and top half finishes every year should be standard here.
everyone has different standards. 99% of our fanbase's standard is going to be how Frank had performed and how they think he would have performed going forward.
Yep.
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Can somone point in the direction of the Frank v Weber debate? I keep getting lost in this Assistant Coach Rumor Thread. Weird.
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Can somone point in the direction of the Frank v Weber debate? I keep getting lost in this Assistant Coach Rumor Thread. Weird.
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I wonder who would laugh more at that? Frank would probably grin more but based on how angry he is, he probably enjoyed it more. oscar would probably literally LOL, but only becuse he felt he needed to win the fans over. His past would indicate he would laugh real hard at first, then reall not thing its as funny 4 or 5 minutes in. By the 9th minute, he would not be laughing at all.
Discuss.
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Can somone point in the direction of the Frank v Weber debate? I keep getting lost in this Assistant Coach Rumor Thread. Weird.
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Heh.
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Focus: Is this staff (let’s say we get No Name III) better than frank's? I say it’s equalish on paper. But I wasn’t ever all that impressed with Unds or Figgs.
w/ Howard would have been better than frank's. but he chose to go to powerhouse U.
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Focus: Is this staff (let’s say we get No Name III) better than frank's? I say it’s equalish on paper. But I wasn’t ever all that impressed with Unds or Figgs.
w/ Howard would have been better than frank's. but he chose to go to powerhouse U.
I think a lot of people would say that lowery is a better assistant than any non-'te-while-still-relevant assistant frank had. I don't see him recruiting anyone worth a damn so I don't know that I agree with that. I see his upside as the eventual "guy who saved the season by installing some stupid offense and everyone gets excited about". connected 'te is better than anyone on this staff. figger and unds and lamont and non-connected-'te and whoever else weber hires are all nobodys who are meaningless until they prove otherwise.
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Frank had a bunch of no names, Weber has a bunch of no names.
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I think Lowry was a good hire. I have no problem with hiring a fired HC as a lead assistant. I'm hopeful he still has plenty of connections and can recruit.
That said, its very disappointing to a) clearly miss on the other assistant targets and b) be several weeks in and still not have those positions filled.
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Focus: Is this staff (let’s say we get No Name III) better than frank's? I say it’s equalish on paper.
worse
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Are there any former K-State players from the early 80's now working as assistant coaches at no name Junior Colleges that Weber can hire?
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Are their any former Missouri Valley Players who spent 7 seasons after college playing in the USBL and in various foreign countries that Weber can bring in as a graduate assistant manager?
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Are there any assistants out there who served as a DOBO on a staff that was terminated with extreme prejudice at their previous job, and who prior to their job as DOBO served as an assistant for a Sunbelt Conference team?
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Are their any gofor types now rattling around at Big East schools that Weber can bring in to be video coordinator?
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i wish everyone would just come out and admit that there is no way this team can succeed
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I think Lowry was a good hire. I have no problem with hiring a fired HC as a lead assistant. I'm hopeful he still has plenty of connections and can recruit.
That said, its very disappointing to a) clearly miss on the other assistant targets and b) be several weeks in and still not have those positions filled.
Lowery = excellent hire. INCREDIBLY disappointing to miss out on our top 2-3 assistant targets.
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btw, "irregardless" is not a word....discuss
it has letters, those letters form sounds, those sounds link to generate a longer sound that has a meaning that is understood by 99% of english speakers that encounter it. it's a word you Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) dumbass.
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Saw Brad Korn on campus with Chris and Weber and a really tall black dude, walking through the parking garage... I could've ended it all
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Saw Brad Korn on campus with Chris and Weber and a really tall black dude, walking through the parking garage... I could've ended it all
Really tall black dude? Taller than korn? Old or young?
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I'm surprised and ever so slightly impressed that Weber didn't bring in Jay Price as one of his assistant coaches, particularly given the misses. That guy is shitty. Can only be a positive for KSU that Weber finally cut him loose no matter who he ends up hiring instead. Not-Jay-Price will always be far superior to Jay Price.
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About the same height as Korn, and about Lowery's age. I didn't get a great look at him as I was haulin balls to get to class.
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I'm surprised and ever so slightly impressed that Weber didn't bring in Jay Price as one of his assistant coaches, particularly given the misses. That guy is shitty. Can only be a positive for KSU that Weber finally cut him loose no matter who he ends up hiring instead. Not-Jay-Price will always be far superior to Jay Price.
Price is coming on as DOBO, Weber will announce the staff when everybody is in place, I would assume Alvin Brooks III was offered yesterday and accepted, have no idea who the last ast. will be.
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About the same height as Korn, and about Lowery's age. I didn't get a great look at him as I was haulin balls to get to class.
Terrence Rencher and Alvin Brooks III are only about 6'2/6'2 :dunno:
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About the same height as Korn, and about Lowery's age. I didn't get a great look at him as I was haulin balls to get to class.
Terrence Rencher and Alvin Brooks III are only about 6'2/6'2 :dunno:
And far younget than lowrey. Mys :dunno: assistant?
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LOL at anyone talking about the next 5 years with Frank....he had filled his nest with crap.
NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT OR CARING ABOUT FRANK!
Yes they are. oscar's standard will be Frank. It is what it is.
It should be too. I can't wait for the people who crapped all over Frank's accomplishments to spin oscar Weber in 5 years. I want him to exceed what Frank did, but he won't. When we revisit this conversation none of should be held accountable for our opinions, its internet harassment to bring said opinions up later.
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About the same height as Korn, and about Lowery's age. I didn't get a great look at him as I was haulin balls to get to class.
Terrence Rencher and Alvin Brooks III are only about 6'2/6'2 :dunno:
And far younget than lowrey. Mys :dunno: assistant?
About the same height as Korn, and about Lowery's age. I didn't get a great look at him as I was haulin balls to get to class.
Terrence Rencher and Alvin Brooks III are only about 6'2/6'2 :dunno:
And far younget than lowrey. Mys :dunno: assistant?
Tall man, tall son? :horrorsurprise:
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A standard is set irregardless of who the coach is. The standard should be .500 in off years and top 4 during good years. i'd say top 4 finishes 3 out of 5 years and top half finishes every year should be standard here.
everyone has different standards. 99% of our fanbase's standard is going to be how Frank had performed and how they think he would have performed going forward.
Well that's effing stupid and all you retards who think this way deserve to be miserable going forward.
oscar will be judged by Frank because oscar hasn't accomplished as much the last 5 years. We hired a coach who has a lower bar than the previous coach. If we hired a better coach it would be much easier to judge him on his own merits.
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Don't get your hopes up or down I really didn't get a good look at him, he was walking along side oscar, who I didn't recognize at first, he kinda just looked like an alum or random old person walking to the parking office in a black KSU polo. Was going around that corner of the garage, hell it could've been JO for all I know. Didn't realize it was Bball staff until I saw Korn and Lowery.
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I'm surprised and ever so slightly impressed that Weber didn't bring in Jay Price as one of his assistant coaches, particularly given the misses. That guy is shitty. Can only be a positive for KSU that Weber finally cut him loose no matter who he ends up hiring instead. Not-Jay-Price will always be far superior to Jay Price.
Price is coming on as DOBO, Weber will announce the staff when everybody is in place, I would assume Alvin Brooks III was offered yesterday and accepted, have no idea who the last ast. will be.
That's my point though. He'll no longer be a recruiter or an instructor, both things he was miserable at. Baby step in the right direction for oscar. He never had the sack to make the same move at Illinois.
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I don't have it. I was hoping somone else would.
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April 25, 2012 Weber close to filling staff opening Robert Cassidy GoPowercat.com Staff Writer
oscar Weber's search to fill the seats next to him on the Kansas State bench has been a lengthy one, but it seems to be inching toward its conclusion.
Weber is expected to announce Alvin Brooks III as his second assistant coach, a source told GoPowercat.com on Wednesday. Brooks, who interviewed for the job in Manhattan earlier this week, agreed to join the K-State staff shortly after meeting with Weber. Contract details are still being finalized.
Brooks III, who was previously an assistant at Sam Houston State, joined the Bearcat staff in 2010 after spending the previous two seasons at Bradley as an assistant and the Braves' recruiting coordinator. He has also coached at Arkansas-Fort Smith and Midland College.
Sam Houston State complied a 31-32 record during Brooks III's two-year tenure and won a Southland Conference West Division championship in Brooks III's first season.
Brooks played college basketball at Idaho State, from which he graduated in 2002 after garnering Academic All-Big Sky Conference honors as a senior.
He is the son of is the son of Alvin Brooks II, a former head coach and current associate head coach at Houston who has coached under Billy Gillespie at both Kentucky and Texas A&M.
Brook's joins Weber and associate head coach Chris Lowery at K-State. The Wildcat staff remains unfinished, but is expected to round out in the coming week.
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meh, I'm fine w/ Brooks. I will stick with my unproven commodity >>> proven suckage mantra.
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meh, I'm fine w/ Brooks. I will stick with my unproven commodity >>> proven suckage mantra.
Consistent, very nice. Like it, love it, or hate it, time to put all of that aside and go get some players and climb the Big 12 charts. :ksu:
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meh, I'm fine w/ Brooks. I will stick with my unproven commodity >>> proven suckage mantra.
Yes, and I agree with Bread on Weber droping Price and that other loser from Illinios. I think he's on the right track in terms of his thought process, though he failed miserably in the early execution. Not big on Korn as an assistant. You know that Brooks is extremely connected at the bare minimum. Hope Korn's interviewing for something else, though i am sure I'll be disappointed.
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meh, I'm fine w/ Brooks. I will stick with my unproven commodity >>> proven suckage mantra.
Yes, and I agree with Bread on Weber droping Price and that other loser from Illinios. I think he's on the right track in terms of his thought process, though he failed miserably in the early execution. Not big on Korn as an assistant. You know that Brooks is extremely connected at the bare minimum. Hope Korn's interviewing for something else, though i am sure I'll be disappointed.
per this korn is DOBO:
http://www.st-extra.com/extra/?p=1675
perhaps Price is still in the mix for full time asst.
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About the same height as Korn, and about Lowery's age. I didn't get a great look at him as I was haulin balls to get to class.
Any word on if Doug Edwards was sticking around or if he will be leaving too. Pretty sure I saw him leaving BWW 2 weeks ago, not close enough to confirm though. Seems like he might be worth keeping around if possible.
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meh, I'm fine w/ Brooks. I will stick with my unproven commodity >>> proven suckage mantra.
Yes, and I agree with Bread on Weber droping Price and that other loser from Illinios. I think he's on the right track in terms of his thought process, though he failed miserably in the early execution. Not big on Korn as an assistant. You know that Brooks is extremely connected at the bare minimum. Hope Korn's interviewing for something else, though i am sure I'll be disappointed.
I don't know why but I believe BallPayers more :dunno:
per this korn is DOBO:
http://www.st-extra.com/extra/?p=1675
perhaps Price is still in the mix for full time asst.
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meh, I'm fine w/ Brooks. I will stick with my unproven commodity >>> proven suckage mantra.
Yes, and I agree with Bread on Weber droping Price and that other loser from Illinios. I think he's on the right track in terms of his thought process, though he failed miserably in the early execution. Not big on Korn as an assistant. You know that Brooks is extremely connected at the bare minimum. Hope Korn's interviewing for something else, though i am sure I'll be disappointed.
I don't know why but I believe BallPayers more :dunno:
per this korn is DOBO:
http://www.st-extra.com/extra/?p=1675
perhaps Price is still in the mix for full time asst.
didn't know what BP posted.
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meh, I'm fine w/ Brooks. I will stick with my unproven commodity >>> proven suckage mantra.
Yes, and I agree with Bread on Weber droping Price and that other loser from Illinios. I think he's on the right track in terms of his thought process, though he failed miserably in the early execution. Not big on Korn as an assistant. You know that Brooks is extremely connected at the bare minimum. Hope Korn's interviewing for something else, though i am sure I'll be disappointed.
per this korn is DOBO:
http://www.st-extra.com/extra/?p=1675
perhaps Price is still in the mix for full time asst.
Or he turned down dobo for prides sake. I sure webers comment about " jay needing to decide what he wants to do" was related to that. Of course weber may have gotten far enough down the list that price is now his best option.
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meh, I'm fine w/ Brooks. I will stick with my unproven commodity >>> proven suckage mantra.
Yes, and I agree with Bread on Weber droping Price and that other loser from Illinios. I think he's on the right track in terms of his thought process, though he failed miserably in the early execution. Not big on Korn as an assistant. You know that Brooks is extremely connected at the bare minimum. Hope Korn's interviewing for something else, though i am sure I'll be disappointed.
I don't know why but I believe BallPayers more :dunno:
per this korn is DOBO:
http://www.st-extra.com/extra/?p=1675
perhaps Price is still in the mix for full time asst.
didn't know what BP posted.
HC: Weber
AHC: Lowery
2nd Ast: Brooks III
3rd Ast: ??????
DOBO: Price
Video Coordinator: Korn
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meh, I'm fine w/ Brooks. I will stick with my unproven commodity >>> proven suckage mantra.
http://www.alvinbrooks.com/saying.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se-paBQJ8I4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBWEO_OJbwM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArrcIdqa_5o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Nkl8LGGKc
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don't confuse the 2 Prices.....Jay and Jimmy. Jimmy is the S&C coach.
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oscar Weber tells me he's still talking to Alvin Brooks about joining his staff. Nothing agreed on yet, but he's hopeful a deal will be made
Really? How hard is it to say, "Hey III, how much are you making at SHS? Okay, here is an extra X, come dominate over here."?
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LOL. Wow.
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I hope it's due to oscar understanding what Brook's market value is and Brooks wanting to make more than the student team managers.
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I hope it's due to oscar understanding what Brook's market value is and Brooks wanting to make more than the student team managers.
I'm assuming it's one of two things.
1) oscar gave a flippant answer to Robinett because he simply doesn't care and just wanted to say something
2) Currie understands what Brook's market value is and is saying, "I'm not paying some guy from SHS $180k a year," or whatever the number may be.
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I'm not on team buthurt or team burnitdown, but if we fail to land our 14th option for AC and add in the shady Gray thing, I might be changing my uni to team burnitdown. This is redic! :bang:
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I hope it's due to oscar understanding what Brook's market value is and Brooks wanting to make more than the student team managers.
I'm assuming it's one of two things.
1) oscar gave a flippant answer to Robinett because he simply doesn't care and just wanted to say something
2) Currie understands what Brook's market value is and is saying, "I'm not paying some guy from SHS $180k a year," or whatever the number may be.
3) Brooks has some more rogue recruiting to do.
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4) Brooks loves his current job
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I'm actually at the point where I am tired of being angry about this. I am interested to see what Brooks can do.
Also, I really want to believe _FAN's #3, but I am starting to learn my lesson after the last month or so.
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I hope it's due to oscar understanding what Brook's market value is and Brooks wanting to make more than the student team managers.
I'm assuming it's one of two things.
1) oscar gave a flippant answer to Robinett because he simply doesn't care and just wanted to say something
2) Currie understands what Brook's market value is and is saying, "I'm not paying some guy from SHS $180k a year," or whatever the number may be.
3) Brooks has some more rogue recruiting to do.
:D
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He's still employed as an NCAA coach.
Which I guess makes him a bit unique for us.
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Just a little perspective...I understand feeling underwhelmed by the current rumored hire as well as others rumored to be in talks. However, if you think about it, all the hotshot recruiters out there had to get their starts somewhere. Someone had to give them a chance to prove themselves. I for one would like to just wait and see how this staff will do before judging too harshly.
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Just a little perspective...I understand feeling underwhelmed by the current rumored hire as well as others rumored to be in talks. However, if you think about it, all the hotshot recruiters out there had to get their starts somewhere. Someone had to give them a chance to prove themselves. I for one would like to just wait and see how this staff will do before judging too harshly.
The hot shot recruiters out there started by being linked to an AAU program or other name coach/recruiter. It's a who-you-know biz.
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Just a little perspective...I understand feeling underwhelmed by the current rumored hire as well as others rumored to be in talks. However, if you think about it, all the hotshot recruiters out there had to get their starts somewhere. Someone had to give them a chance to prove themselves. I for one would like to just wait and see how this staff will do before judging too harshly.
The hot shot recruiters out there started by being linked to an AAU program or other name coach/recruiter. It's a who-you-know biz.
No question.
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I'm surprised and ever so slightly impressed that Weber didn't bring in Jay Price as one of his assistant coaches, particularly given the misses. That guy is shitty. Can only be a positive for KSU that Weber finally cut him loose no matter who he ends up hiring instead. Not-Jay-Price will always be far superior to Jay Price.
Price is coming on as DOBO, Weber will announce the staff when everybody is in place, I would assume Alvin Brooks III was offered yesterday and accepted, have no idea who the last ast. will be.
Heard that isn't for sure. Heard Price is still debating on whether to take the DOBO position. Is quite the demotion afterall. Coaches and their egos ya know. Is it even remotely possible that he'd be Asst. #3?
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I hope it's due to oscar understanding what Brook's market value is and Brooks wanting to make more than the student team managers.
I'm assuming it's one of two things.
1) oscar gave a flippant answer to Robinett because he simply doesn't care and just wanted to say something
2) Currie understands what Brook's market value is and is saying, "I'm not paying some guy from SHS $180k a year," or whatever the number may be.
3) Brooks has some more rogue recruiting to do.
:pray: otherwise :bang:
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After having his first two options bail out after a supposed agreement, he's probably not going to tell anybody its done til the ink is dry.
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Larry Brown has hired Jerrence and this guy:
http://www.uhcougars.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/maligi_ulric00.html
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18842881/smus-larry-brown-makes-big-time-hire-to-get-texas-kids
Eric Bossi ? @ebosshoops
@GoodmanCBS Boom, Maligi is a HUGE hire for Brown. Absolutely HUGE.
*sigh*
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SMU is straight clowning us.
But I bet they care less about there student athletes. #moralhighground
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Goodman just destroyed their AD on twitter for weeks about how much of a joke the coaching search was becoming. Now they have a monster recruiting staff and a legendary nba coach.
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Goodman just destroyed their AD on twitter for weeks about how much of a joke the coaching search was becoming. Now they have a monster recruiting staff and a legendary nba coach.
Goodman breaks a lot of stories but is kind of a dumbass most of the time.
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eff goodman and eff all the negators in this thread
you're all the same
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eff goodman and eff all the negators in this thread
you're all the same
wow. major butthurt calling specialist clams. at ease soldier, at ease. :lol:
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eff goodman and eff all the negators in this thread
you're all the same
wow. major butthurt calling specialist clams. at ease soldier, at ease. :lol:
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Larry Brown has hired Jerrence and this guy:
http://www.uhcougars.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/maligi_ulric00.html
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18842881/smus-larry-brown-makes-big-time-hire-to-get-texas-kids
Eric Bossi ? @ebosshoops
@GoodmanCBS Boom, Maligi is a HUGE hire for Brown. Absolutely HUGE.
*sigh*
Would have been fun!
And then in two years, we could have handed the reigns to Pearl!
Seriously, how fun would that have been?!!!!!
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Larry Brown has hired Jerrence and this guy:
http://www.uhcougars.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/maligi_ulric00.html
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18842881/smus-larry-brown-makes-big-time-hire-to-get-texas-kids
Eric Bossi ? @ebosshoops
@GoodmanCBS Boom, Maligi is a HUGE hire for Brown. Absolutely HUGE.
*sigh*
Would have been fun!
And then in two years, we could have handed the reigns to Pearl!
Seriously, how fun would that have been?!!!!!
Would you take with jank as hciw?
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Larry Brown has hired Jerrence and this guy:
http://www.uhcougars.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/maligi_ulric00.html
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18842881/smus-larry-brown-makes-big-time-hire-to-get-texas-kids
Eric Bossi ? @ebosshoops
@GoodmanCBS Boom, Maligi is a HUGE hire for Brown. Absolutely HUGE.
*sigh*
Would have been fun!
And then in two years, we could have handed the reigns to Pearl!
Seriously, how fun would that have been?!!!!!
Would you take with jank as hciw?
No. But that is still up in the air. I'm not sure if SMU is insisting Jank be HCIW or what. Strange deal.
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never mind. Jank to SMU is Goodman-official.
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I would definitely not take Jank as HCIW. I would not even be happy with him as assistant coach in residency.
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I think brown is the one insisting. I don't think you get brown without jank, or some other brown cronie of his choosing.
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I think brown is the one insisting. I don't think you get brown without jank, or some other brown cronie of his choosing.
then I would agree to it w/ my fingers crossed behind my back.
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Jank blows. I don't know what the fixation is with this guy by the national media types.
God, it just sickens me that Weber airballed on Howard and he ends up on Brown's staff. Still can't get over that. The one thing we needed was a proven recruiter. The one rough ridin' thing.
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Okay, so assuming we can somehow hammer a deal out for III, who are the leading canidates for the remaining spot? I know Price has been thrown out there but could possibly be DOBO, but could also be AC too. No thank you. Anyone else with legit possibilities? Anyone from AAU circuit?
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Okay, so assuming we can somehow hammer a deal out for III, who are the leading canidates for the remaining spot? I know Price has been thrown out there but could possibly be DOBO, but could also be AC too. No thank you. Anyone else with legit possibilities? Anyone from AAU circuit?
I'm sure there are plenty of guys out there that we haven't heard of. The UH guy Brown hired would have made a ton of people happy. The question is whether or not oscar has the desire/know-how to identify and hire someone like that. I would say he has the know-how, considering he hired Howard at Illinois when he had one year as a DOBO and 3 years as an admin assistant. Not sure if he wants to have someone like that.
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Jank blows. I don't know what the fixation is with this guy by the national media types.
God, it just sickens me that Weber airballed on Howard and he ends up on Brown's staff. Still can't get over that. The one thing we needed was a proven recruiter. The one rough ridin' thing.
I don't think Howard stays after Brown leaves. I think he just wants "Worked for Larry Brown" on his resume because that's been pretty good for a lot of guys in the college ranks.
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Okay, so assuming we can somehow hammer a deal out for III, who are the leading canidates for the remaining spot? I know Price has been thrown out there but could possibly be DOBO, but could also be AC too. No thank you. Anyone else with legit possibilities? Anyone from AAU circuit?
I'm sure there are plenty of guys out there that we haven't heard of. The UH guy Brown hired would have made a ton of people happy. The question is whether or not oscar has the desire/know-how to identify and hire someone like that. I would say he has the know-how, considering he hired Howard at Illinois when he had one year as a DOBO and 3 years as an admin assistant. Not sure if he wants to have someone like that.
I don't know if oscar is the guy we get upset with here. Wasn't one of Frank's biggest gripes with Currie his stinginess with assistant salaries?
I'm assuming we have X dollars available for assistants, we spent $210k on Lowery, I'm sure if Price is the DOBO, he's an expensive DOBO, and we're looking to get young guys wanting to make a name for a bargain price to fill out the staff.
That's what I'm going with.
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Jank blows. I don't know what the fixation is with this guy by the national media types.
God, it just sickens me that Weber airballed on Howard and he ends up on Brown's staff. Still can't get over that. The one thing we needed was a proven recruiter. The one rough ridin' thing.
I don't think Howard stays after Brown leaves. I think he just wants "Worked for Larry Brown" on his resume because that's been pretty good for a lot of guys in the college ranks.
Exactly.
Oh and before #teambutthurt says it, Larry Brown's track record of success and rebuilding mushes all over Frank Martin's face all day every day and twice on Sunday . . . Howard was a prime recruiter on a Big 10 staff, which would have have made him vastly over qualified for Frank Martin who preferred fired DOBO's, no name Juco assistants, and former USBL/Euro League stars.
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Jank blows. I don't know what the fixation is with this guy by the national media types.
God, it just sickens me that Weber airballed on Howard and he ends up on Brown's staff. Still can't get over that. The one thing we needed was a proven recruiter. The one rough ridin' thing.
I don't think Howard stays after Brown leaves. I think he just wants "Worked for Larry Brown" on his resume because that's been pretty good for a lot of guys in the college ranks.
who gives a crap
Okay, so assuming we can somehow hammer a deal out for III, who are the leading canidates for the remaining spot? I know Price has been thrown out there but could possibly be DOBO, but could also be AC too. No thank you. Anyone else with legit possibilities? Anyone from AAU circuit?
I'm sure there are plenty of guys out there that we haven't heard of. The UH guy Brown hired would have made a ton of people happy. The question is whether or not oscar has the desire/know-how to identify and hire someone like that. I would say he has the know-how, considering he hired Howard at Illinois when he had one year as a DOBO and 3 years as an admin assistant. Not sure if he wants to have someone like that.
I don't know if oscar is the guy we get upset with here. Wasn't one of Frank's biggest gripes with Currie his stinginess with assistant salaries?
I'm assuming we have X dollars available for assistants, we spent $210k on Lowery, I'm sure if Price is the DOBO, he's an expensive DOBO, and we're looking to get young guys wanting to make a name for a bargain price to fill out the staff.
That's what I'm going with.
If Weber is insisting on an expensive DOBO he's a rough ridin' dipshit. And the type of coach I'm referring to would be young, well-connected guys. I even gave you the UH example. No way that guy is ridiculously expensive. I realize Weber should think his lucky stars he isn't coaching in the Atlantic Sun this year, but he should push back on Currie on this if Currie is back from Puerto Rico.
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Jank blows. I don't know what the fixation is with this guy by the national media types.
God, it just sickens me that Weber airballed on Howard and he ends up on Brown's staff. Still can't get over that. The one thing we needed was a proven recruiter. The one rough ridin' thing.
I don't think Howard stays after Brown leaves. I think he just wants "Worked for Larry Brown" on his resume because that's been pretty good for a lot of guys in the college ranks.
who gives a crap
Okay, so assuming we can somehow hammer a deal out for III, who are the leading canidates for the remaining spot? I know Price has been thrown out there but could possibly be DOBO, but could also be AC too. No thank you. Anyone else with legit possibilities? Anyone from AAU circuit?
I'm sure there are plenty of guys out there that we haven't heard of. The UH guy Brown hired would have made a ton of people happy. The question is whether or not oscar has the desire/know-how to identify and hire someone like that. I would say he has the know-how, considering he hired Howard at Illinois when he had one year as a DOBO and 3 years as an admin assistant. Not sure if he wants to have someone like that.
I don't know if oscar is the guy we get upset with here. Wasn't one of Frank's biggest gripes with Currie his stinginess with assistant salaries?
I'm assuming we have X dollars available for assistants, we spent $210k on Lowery, I'm sure if Price is the DOBO, he's an expensive DOBO, and we're looking to get young guys wanting to make a name for a bargain price to fill out the staff.
That's what I'm going with.
If Weber is insisting on an expensive DOBO he's a rough ridin' dipshit. And the type of coach I'm referring to would be young, well-connected guys. I even gave you the UH example. No way that guy is ridiculously expensive. I realize Weber should think his lucky stars he isn't coaching in the Atlantic Sun this year, but he should push back on Currie on this if Currie is back from Puerto Rico.
I would have taken the UH guy. But, again, Brown is going to get better assistants because they all think they're going to be Bill Self and John Calipari.
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Hey, maybe we should have hired this Larry Brown guy. Why didn't anyone think of that?
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I would have taken the UH guy. But, again, Brown is going to get better assistants because they all think they're going to be Bill Self and John Calipari.
LOL @ SMU. Little did they know that they are only getting really good assistants because they hired a legendary coach. What a bunch of clowns! :lol:
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Hey, maybe we should have hired this Larry Brown guy. Why didn't anyone think of that?
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Hey, maybe we should have hired this Larry Brown guy. Why didn't anyone think of that?
I not so kindly kindly asked you to STFU about Larry Brown, I'm sorry ira.
You stuck your neck out and thought outside the box. You were annoying as hell doing so but you were right, Grats. You earned it.
However, would you have beat the Larry Brown drum if you knew it came with Jank as HCIW? Ignore that Jank would not have been invited here with his ex wife working in Anderson Hall.
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I would love to see the contract that promises Jank the HC job where it can't easily be pulled away once Larry is gone.
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Hey, maybe we should have hired this Larry Brown guy. Why didn't anyone think of that?
I not so kindly kindly asked you to STFU about Larry Brown, I'm sorry ira.
You stuck your neck out and thought outside the box. You were annoying as hell doing so but you were right, Grats. You earned it.
However, would you have beat the Larry Brown drum if you knew it came with Jank as HCIW? Ignore that Jank would not have been invited here with his ex wife working in Anderson Hall.
I'm sure Jank wasn't the only coach he would have considered as HCIW. and like CNS said I'm guessing the contract is somewhat flimsy.
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I would love to see the contract that promises Jank the HC job where it can't easily be pulled away once Larry is gone.
I'm sure there was just a big buyout that makes Jank a millionaire no matter what. The real solution would be to shitcan Brown two years in and hire Pearl. WOuld be elite to fire a HOF coach for a better option in the midst of a successful run.
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However, would you have beat the Larry Brown drum if you knew it came with Jank as HCIW? Ignore that Jank would not have been invited here with his ex wife working in Anderson Hall.
How can you ignore that? Jank's ex-wife is on the freaking advisory board and her dad is a legend at KSU. Jank is not coming back as long as she has a say in who is getting hired.
I think Larry would have loved the K-State job just for all of the irony...for about 2 or 3 years.
Also, there is no need to apologize. I enjoy being annoying. Especially when I am right.
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I would love to see the contract that promises Jank the HC job where it can't easily be pulled away once Larry is gone.
I'm sure there was just a big buyout that makes Jank a millionaire no matter what. The real solution would be to shitcan Brown two years in and hire Pearl. WOuld be elite to fire a HOF coach for a better option in the midst of a successful run.
Or just give Pearl (fellow Jew) DOBO/HCIW from the start. Problem solved.
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I would love to see the contract that promises Jank the HC job where it can't easily be pulled away once Larry is gone.
I'm sure there was just a big buyout that makes Jank a millionaire no matter what. The real solution would be to shitcan Brown two years in and hire Pearl. WOuld be elite to fire a HOF coach for a better option in the midst of a successful run.
Or just give Pearl (fellow Jew) DOBO/HCIW from the start. Problem solved.
Well yeah...but the the original assumption was that you have a HCIW contract with Jank. :shakesfist:
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I haven't been on the board much the last couple days so this may have been discussed, but I promise it will be the last thing I put on here about Larry Brown.
What do you think it will be like recruiting?:
“You mean because I’m too old? No, I think it’s just the opposite to be honest with you. Everywhere I go to visit college kids, and I’ve had the opportunity to go everywhere and watch practice … kids are so interested in me because I’ve had an NBA background. They all want to go to the NBA. … So that, in itself, is a huge advantage. The fact that I’ve coached a lot of great players, they’re all interested in that and want to hear all about it. You get instant credibility right away. And I think the contacts I’ve made as a pro coach and the kids that have coached with me that are now working on every level, they’re all going to help.”
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Larry Brown was on the Don't Burn It Down list :frown:
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Jank blows. I don't know what the fixation is with this guy by the national media types.
God, it just sickens me that Weber airballed on Howard and he ends up on Brown's staff. Still can't get over that. The one thing we needed was a proven recruiter. The one rough ridin' thing.
I don't think Howard stays after Brown leaves. I think he just wants "Worked for Larry Brown" on his resume because that's been pretty good for a lot of guys in the college ranks.
who gives a crap
Okay, so assuming we can somehow hammer a deal out for III, who are the leading canidates for the remaining spot? I know Price has been thrown out there but could possibly be DOBO, but could also be AC too. No thank you. Anyone else with legit possibilities? Anyone from AAU circuit?
I'm sure there are plenty of guys out there that we haven't heard of. The UH guy Brown hired would have made a ton of people happy. The question is whether or not oscar has the desire/know-how to identify and hire someone like that. I would say he has the know-how, considering he hired Howard at Illinois when he had one year as a DOBO and 3 years as an admin assistant. Not sure if he wants to have someone like that.
I don't know if oscar is the guy we get upset with here. Wasn't one of Frank's biggest gripes with Currie his stinginess with assistant salaries?
I'm assuming we have X dollars available for assistants, we spent $210k on Lowery, I'm sure if Price is the DOBO, he's an expensive DOBO, and we're looking to get young guys wanting to make a name for a bargain price to fill out the staff.
That's what I'm going with.
If Weber is insisting on an expensive DOBO he's a rough ridin' dipshit. And the type of coach I'm referring to would be young, well-connected guys. I even gave you the UH example. No way that guy is ridiculously expensive. I realize Weber should think his lucky stars he isn't coaching in the Atlantic Sun this year, but he should push back on Currie on this if Currie is back from Puerto Rico.
I heard on another message board that Josh Eilert interviewed for that position. Why couldn't we get him at a discount? Then that would fulfill the K-State connection the fans seem to so desperately want and we'd have a young guy to round out the staff?
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However, would you have beat the Larry Brown drum if you knew it came with Jank as HCIW? Ignore that Jank would not have been invited here with his ex wife working in Anderson Hall.
How can you ignore that? Jank's ex-wife is on the freaking advisory board and her dad is a legend at KSU. Jank is not coming back as long as she has a say in who is getting hired.
I think Larry would have loved the K-State job just for all of the irony...for about 2 or 3 years.
Also, there is no need to apologize. I enjoy being annoying. Especially when I am right.
It's a hypothetical Ira, Jackie Hartman now works at the University of Delaware. Would you take Larry Brown as your coach for 3 years if Jank was contracted to be the head coach for the following 5?
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All the talk in this thread about what the standard should be, while interesting, is a complete waste of time. The only person whose "standard" matters is Currie, and his only standard is "don't do anything to make me look bad". Unless Weber completely tanks the program, Currie will keep him around. A couple of NITs and an NCAA appearance once every five years will keep things just good enough that Currie won't be forced to fire him and admit he made a mistake. As long as Currie is here, we're stuck with Weber...unless he burns it to the ground posthaste, or Currie moves on to his destination job. #teamhorns
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However, would you have beat the Larry Brown drum if you knew it came with Jank as HCIW? Ignore that Jank would not have been invited here with his ex wife working in Anderson Hall.
How can you ignore that? Jank's ex-wife is on the freaking advisory board and her dad is a legend at KSU. Jank is not coming back as long as she has a say in who is getting hired.
I think Larry would have loved the K-State job just for all of the irony...for about 2 or 3 years.
Also, there is no need to apologize. I enjoy being annoying. Especially when I am right.
It's a hypothetical Ira, Jackie Hartman now works at the University of Delaware. Would you take Larry Brown as your coach for 3 years if Jank was contracted to be the head coach for the following 5?
It's a fairy tale hypothetical.
If KSU had a goose that laid golden eggs would you want us to trade it for Bill Self?
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All the talk in this thread about what the standard should be, while interesting, is a complete waste of time. The only person whose "standard" matters is Currie, and his only standard is "don't do anything to make me look bad". Unless Weber completely tanks the program, Currie will keep him around. A couple of NITs and an NCAA appearance once every five years will keep things just good enough that Currie won't be forced to fire him and admit he made a mistake. As long as Currie is here, we're stuck with Weber...unless he burns it to the ground posthaste, or Currie moves on to his destination job. #teamhorns
BBSing in general is interesting, but a complete waste of time.
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However, would you have beat the Larry Brown drum if you knew it came with Jank as HCIW? Ignore that Jank would not have been invited here with his ex wife working in Anderson Hall.
How can you ignore that? Jank's ex-wife is on the freaking advisory board and her dad is a legend at KSU. Jank is not coming back as long as she has a say in who is getting hired.
I think Larry would have loved the K-State job just for all of the irony...for about 2 or 3 years.
Also, there is no need to apologize. I enjoy being annoying. Especially when I am right.
It's a hypothetical Ira, Jackie Hartman now works at the University of Delaware. Would you take Larry Brown as your coach for 3 years if Jank was contracted to be the head coach for the following 5?
It's a fairy tale hypothetical.
If KSU had a goose that laid golden eggs would you want us to trade it for Bill Self?
It was a pretty simple hypothetical. If you said you wouldn't want three years of Brown if it then meant five years of Jank, it would have not made your Brown pining less relevant, we weren't discussing assistants then.
I'll say it for you, hell no you wouldn't take a package deal of Brown and Jank. Don't worry Ira, the rest of us wouldn't either and Larry is still boss.
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All the talk in this thread about what the standard should be, while interesting, is a complete waste of time. The only person whose "standard" matters is Currie, and his only standard is "don't do anything to make me look bad". Unless Weber completely tanks the program, Currie will keep him around. A couple of NITs and an NCAA appearance once every five years will keep things just good enough that Currie won't be forced to fire him and admit he made a mistake. As long as Currie is here, we're stuck with Weber...unless he burns it to the ground posthaste, or Currie moves on to his destination job. #teamhorns
seems like you've finally come around, mccock. welcome to paradise.
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Would have been fun!
And then in two years, we could have handed the reigns to Pearl!
Seriously, how fun would that have been?!!!!!
brown, maligi, howard and non-recruiting, ciw pearl? yeah that would have been about the only thing currie could have done to not look like a giant Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) for running off martin. not even rusty would believe he'd have the balls to even consider it though.
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All the talk in this thread about what the standard should be, while interesting, is a complete waste of time. The only person whose "standard" matters is Currie, and his only standard is "don't do anything to make me look bad". Unless Weber completely tanks the program, Currie will keep him around. A couple of NITs and an NCAA appearance once every five years will keep things just good enough that Currie won't be forced to fire him and admit he made a mistake. As long as Currie is here, we're stuck with Weber...unless he burns it to the ground posthaste, or Currie moves on to his destination job. #teamhorns
seems like you've finally come around, mccock. welcome to paradise.
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However, would you have beat the Larry Brown drum if you knew it came with Jank as HCIW? Ignore that Jank would not have been invited here with his ex wife working in Anderson Hall.
How can you ignore that? Jank's ex-wife is on the freaking advisory board and her dad is a legend at KSU. Jank is not coming back as long as she has a say in who is getting hired.
I think Larry would have loved the K-State job just for all of the irony...for about 2 or 3 years.
Also, there is no need to apologize. I enjoy being annoying. Especially when I am right.
It's a hypothetical Ira, Jackie Hartman now works at the University of Delaware. Would you take Larry Brown as your coach for 3 years if Jank was contracted to be the head coach for the following 5?
It's a fairy tale hypothetical.
If KSU had a goose that laid golden eggs would you want us to trade it for Bill Self?
It was a pretty simple hypothetical. If you said you wouldn't want three years of Brown if it then meant five years of Jank, it would have not made your Brown pining less relevant, we weren't discussing assistants then.
I'll say it for you, hell no you wouldn't take a package deal of Brown and Jank. Don't worry Ira, the rest of us wouldn't either and Larry is still boss.
I don't know the details but I'd be rough ridin' shocked if Jank gets an eight year deal at SMU.
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i'd take brown and hciw jank. it's a toss up.
weber >>> brown
jank >>> the guy who has to follow weber
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However, would you have beat the Larry Brown drum if you knew it came with Jank as HCIW? Ignore that Jank would not have been invited here with his ex wife working in Anderson Hall.
How can you ignore that? Jank's ex-wife is on the freaking advisory board and her dad is a legend at KSU. Jank is not coming back as long as she has a say in who is getting hired.
I think Larry would have loved the K-State job just for all of the irony...for about 2 or 3 years.
Also, there is no need to apologize. I enjoy being annoying. Especially when I am right.
It's a hypothetical Ira, Jackie Hartman now works at the University of Delaware. Would you take Larry Brown as your coach for 3 years if Jank was contracted to be the head coach for the following 5?
It's a fairy tale hypothetical.
If KSU had a goose that laid golden eggs would you want us to trade it for Bill Self?
It was a pretty simple hypothetical. If you said you wouldn't want three years of Brown if it then meant five years of Jank, it would have not made your Brown pining less relevant, we weren't discussing assistants then.
I'll say it for you, hell no you wouldn't take a package deal of Brown and Jank. Don't worry Ira, the rest of us wouldn't either and Larry is still boss.
I don't know the details but I'd be rough ridin' shocked if Jank gets an eight year deal at SMU.
Unimportant to the hypothetical, just want to make sure that no one would sign up for some Larry Brown for a larger serving of Jank. I thought Ira would be close but for some reason he is having a hard time squeezing out the two letters, N O.
That being said it will almost certainly be a 6 year deal as a minimum. As you know head coaches have a minimum of 4 or they'll get killed on the recruiting trail. Brown will at least be around for 2, listening to him on Jim Rome earlier this week he sure sounds like he wants more. BTW I think Brown said his mom lived to like 107, seriously. I think the absolute minimum Jank will be around is 6. Even if Brown is around for only two he and that staff will build something with the help of the wonderful Nick Russell. Whatever momentum they build it will take Jank at least 4 to crash it to the point where he over stays his welcome, see his tenure at ISU.
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Now that I've consulted with other elites, I do feel as though at least one Franking is/was needed to make room for Gray.
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I just find this kind of bizarre.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncb/story/_/id/7859037/tim-jankovich-agrees-smu-coach-waiting
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@Coach_AB3 Thanks to everyone in the Bearkat family, love y'all! I'm excited for the opportunity on joining the Kansas State Family!
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Q - who is butthurt by the fact that we are getting clownsuited by SMU and a 71 year old man?
A - ME
Also i would have been happy to have Jank as HCIW s. Hell some people wanted him hired outright.
However i would have prefered Gottlieb in this role, would have been the best of all possible worlds.
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I think I would have preferred Jank to oscar straight up as HC. Not sure. It's close.
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Shut up michigancat
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So, one spot left. Who is the next contestant on "Impossible Position to Fill" show? Is there anyone who we know even interviewed for the job (aside from Price)?
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I think I would have preferred Jank to oscar straight up as HC. Not sure. It's close.
why
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I think I would have preferred Jank to oscar straight up as HC. Not sure. It's close.
why
Mostly because he hasn't been fired. This year showed he could win w/o Osiris Eldridge - the team was all his. Mid major coaches aren't as scary when they've had success beyond year 3 IMO. Like I said, it's close. I really have a problem with the getting fired thing.
I realize Weber @SIU was better than Jank @ISU, but it isn't that much better:
1998–99 Southern Illinois 15–12 10–8 T–5th
1999–00 Southern Illinois 20–13 12–6 3rd NIT 2nd Round
2000–01 Southern Illinois 16–14 10–8 T–4th
2001–02 Southern Illinois 28–8 14–4 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2002–03 Southern Illinois 24–7 16–2 1st NCAA 1st Round
vs.
2007–2008 Illinois State 25–10 13–5 2nd NIT Second Round
2008–2009 Illinois State 24–10 11–7 3rd NIT First Round
2009–2010 Illinois State 22–11 11–7 3rd NIT First Round
2010–2011 Illinois State 12-19 4–14 T9th
2011-2012 Illinois State 21-14 9-9 T3rd NIT Second Round
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I'm flipping through the record books and trying to see how many Final Four's and National Titles the MVC has relative to the Big 10.
So far it looks pretty one sided.
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I think I would have preferred Jank to oscar straight up as HC. Not sure. It's close.
why
Mostly because he hasn't been fired. This year showed he could win w/o Osiris Eldridge - the team was all his. Mid major coaches aren't as scary when they've had success beyond year 3 IMO. Like I said, it's close. I really have a problem with the getting fired thing.
I realize Weber @SIU was better than Jank @ISU, but it isn't that much better:
1998–99 Southern Illinois 15–12 10–8 T–5th
1999–00 Southern Illinois 20–13 12–6 3rd NIT 2nd Round
2000–01 Southern Illinois 16–14 10–8 T–4th
2001–02 Southern Illinois 28–8 14–4 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2002–03 Southern Illinois 24–7 16–2 1st NCAA 1st Round
vs.
2007–2008 Illinois State 25–10 13–5 2nd NIT Second Round
2008–2009 Illinois State 24–10 11–7 3rd NIT First Round
2009–2010 Illinois State 22–11 11–7 3rd NIT First Round
2010–2011 Illinois State 12-19 4–14 T9th
2011-2012 Illinois State 21-14 9-9 T3rd NIT Second Round
Dude stop. Your better than this.
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It's pretty much a coin flip between Jank and Weber, imo. Neither of them have accomplished anything at all with their own players, and both would most likely put us on a slow path to irrelevance.
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I think I would have preferred Jank to oscar straight up as HC. Not sure. It's close.
why
Mostly because he hasn't been fired. This year showed he could win w/o Osiris Eldridge - the team was all his. Mid major coaches aren't as scary when they've had success beyond year 3 IMO. Like I said, it's close. I really have a problem with the getting fired thing.
I realize Weber @SIU was better than Jank @ISU, but it isn't that much better:
1998–99 Southern Illinois 15–12 10–8 T–5th
1999–00 Southern Illinois 20–13 12–6 3rd NIT 2nd Round
2000–01 Southern Illinois 16–14 10–8 T–4th
2001–02 Southern Illinois 28–8 14–4 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2002–03 Southern Illinois 24–7 16–2 1st NCAA 1st Round
vs.
2007–2008 Illinois State 25–10 13–5 2nd NIT Second Round
2008–2009 Illinois State 24–10 11–7 3rd NIT First Round
2009–2010 Illinois State 22–11 11–7 3rd NIT First Round
2010–2011 Illinois State 12-19 4–14 T9th
2011-2012 Illinois State 21-14 9-9 T3rd NIT Second Round
Does North Texas not count?
1993–1994 North Texas 14–15 9–9 T4th
1994–1995 North Texas 14–13 9–9 5th
1995–1996 North Texas 15–13 12–6 2nd
1996–1997 North Texas 10–16 5–11 5th (East)
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i think a reasonable argument could be made that weber only had success at siu because of young rising start matt painter. i'm on the fence w/ this whole jank v weber thing though. obviously painter is easily the best of the three though and was with weber the whole time during his siu success.
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i think a reasonable argument could be made that weber only had success at siu because of young rising start matt painter. i'm on the fence w/ this whole jank v weber thing though. obviously painter is easily the best of the three though and was with weber the whole time during his siu success.
So the "Matt Painter good coaching" rubbed off and carried over to the first few years at Illinois and then wore off?
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:lol:
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BTW, I agree that Painter is better.
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Well folks, I've got some good news and some bad news.
The good news is that we've seemed to have moved on from the Weber vs Frank argument. The bad news is we've landed right in the middle of a Weber vs Jank argument. Even more bad news is that this one is just as pointless as the other.
Sigh!
Any news RE: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread? Or am I in the wrong thread for that? I'm still new to this forum thing so help a noob out.
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i think a reasonable argument could be made that weber only had success at siu because of young rising start matt painter. i'm on the fence w/ this whole jank v weber thing though. obviously painter is easily the best of the three though and was with weber the whole time during his siu success.
So the "Matt Painter good coaching" rubbed off and carried over to the first few years at Illinois and then wore off?
i am pretty sure that painter is and was the best coach on that siu staff and that if illinois would've hired painter that he would've done everything oscar weber did and more. plus he would still be employed there. i'll readily admit that i didn't understand your question though.
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i think a reasonable argument could be made that weber only had success at siu because of young rising start matt painter. i'm on the fence w/ this whole jank v weber thing though. obviously painter is easily the best of the three though and was with weber the whole time during his siu success.
So the "Matt Painter good coaching" rubbed off and carried over to the first few years at Illinois and then wore off?
i am pretty sure that painter is and was the best coach on that siu staff and that if illinois would've hired painter that he would've done everything oscar weber did and more. plus he would still be employed there. i'll readily admit that i didn't understand your question though.
Again, Painter > Weber.
I was just implying that since Weber left Painter at SIU when he went to Illinois and was successful for several years without him and coached in the NC game, that Painter's "good coaching effect" must have rubbed off for a couple years on Weber before it wore off.
Look, I get being very cautious because of Weber's last 5 years at Illinois were pedestrian at best. I understand why that alone makes many think he was a terrible hire.
But to do anything and everything to discredit any success he had there early seems silly to me. It seems there are 100 reasons that Illinois played in the NC game his 2nd year there, and his coaching is about #97 on the list.
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if
yeah. illinois obviously hired the wrong coach from that siu staff. which is my point and a pretty big one, but you can't see it because you forgot to put your eyelash paint on today and are getting blinded from the flourescents above your cubicle, numbskull.
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He the forrest gump of coaching. A humble simpleton with a heart of gold who hasn't a clue, but stumbles and bumbles his was to fame and fortune. :popcorn:
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He the forrest gump of coaching. A humble simpleton with a heart of gold who hasn't a clue, but stumbles and bumbles his was to fame and fortune. :popcorn:
Also terrible at choosing assistant coaches.
Could someone remind me who hired Painter at SIU again?
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Well folks, I've got some good news and some bad news.
The good news is that we've seemed to have moved on from the Weber vs Frank argument. The bad news is we've landed right in the middle of a Weber vs Jank argument. Even more bad news is that this one is just as pointless as the other.
Sigh!
Any news RE: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread? Or am I in the wrong thread for that? I'm still new to this forum thing so help a noob out.
I think this is the right thread. Weber and Jank may both be decent assistant coaches.
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i think a reasonable argument could be made that weber only had success at siu because of young rising start matt painter. i'm on the fence w/ this whole jank v weber thing though. obviously painter is easily the best of the three though and was with weber the whole time during his siu success.
So the "Matt Painter good coaching" rubbed off and carried over to the first few years at Illinois and then wore off?
i am pretty sure that painter is and was the best coach on that siu staff and that if illinois would've hired painter that he would've done everything oscar weber did and more. plus he would still be employed there. i'll readily admit that i didn't understand your question though.
Again, Painter > Weber.
I was just implying that since Weber left Painter at SIU when he went to Illinois and was successful for several years without him and coached in the NC game, that Painter's "good coaching effect" must have rubbed off for a couple years on Weber before it wore off.
Look, I get being very cautious because of Weber's last 5 years at Illinois were pedestrian at best. I understand why that alone makes many think he was a terrible hire.
But to do anything and everything to discredit any success he had there early seems silly to me. It seems there are 100 reasons that Illinois played in the NC game his 2nd year there, and his coaching is about #97 on the list.
if you are saying that oscar weber would be a fine coaching hire to come in and take over a team that someone else put together and that already has five future nba players on it that have all played significant minutes and will all be returning, then yes i agree. i guess the other option would be to hope that this current staff has a future matt painter on it. guess we'll wait and see though! time will tell though!
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I think I would have preferred Jank to oscar straight up as HC. Not sure. It's close.
why
Mostly because he hasn't been fired. This year showed he could win w/o Osiris Eldridge - the team was all his. Mid major coaches aren't as scary when they've had success beyond year 3 IMO. Like I said, it's close. I really have a problem with the getting fired thing.
I realize Weber @SIU was better than Jank @ISU, but it isn't that much better:
1998–99 Southern Illinois 15–12 10–8 T–5th
1999–00 Southern Illinois 20–13 12–6 3rd NIT 2nd Round
2000–01 Southern Illinois 16–14 10–8 T–4th
2001–02 Southern Illinois 28–8 14–4 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2002–03 Southern Illinois 24–7 16–2 1st NCAA 1st Round
vs.
2007–2008 Illinois State 25–10 13–5 2nd NIT Second Round
2008–2009 Illinois State 24–10 11–7 3rd NIT First Round
2009–2010 Illinois State 22–11 11–7 3rd NIT First Round
2010–2011 Illinois State 12-19 4–14 T9th
2011-2012 Illinois State 21-14 9-9 T3rd NIT Second Round
Dude stop. Your better than this.
The whole "getting fired" thing is a big deal to me. I mean oscar Weber doesn't need to prove himself - he already did at Illinois. Jank has not been fired at the highest level, so he's unproven compared to Weber.
Don't get me wrong, I would want nothing to do with Jank, and I'm not entirely sure I would take him over Weber. But if you want to look down on me for thinking Weber's dogshit might smell slightly worse than Jank's dogshit, be my guest.
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Rusty, shut up
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Here's the deal with Weber vs. Jank; they are both huge piles of garbage. I'm sure one of them doesn't smell quite as bad as the other, but I would rather not be associated with either one of them.
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I think I would have preferred Jank to oscar straight up as HC. Not sure. It's close.
why
Mostly because he hasn't been fired. This year showed he could win w/o Osiris Eldridge - the team was all his. Mid major coaches aren't as scary when they've had success beyond year 3 IMO. Like I said, it's close. I really have a problem with the getting fired thing.
I realize Weber @SIU was better than Jank @ISU, but it isn't that much better:
1998–99 Southern Illinois 15–12 10–8 T–5th
1999–00 Southern Illinois 20–13 12–6 3rd NIT 2nd Round
2000–01 Southern Illinois 16–14 10–8 T–4th
2001–02 Southern Illinois 28–8 14–4 T–1st NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2002–03 Southern Illinois 24–7 16–2 1st NCAA 1st Round
vs.
2007–2008 Illinois State 25–10 13–5 2nd NIT Second Round
2008–2009 Illinois State 24–10 11–7 3rd NIT First Round
2009–2010 Illinois State 22–11 11–7 3rd NIT First Round
2010–2011 Illinois State 12-19 4–14 T9th
2011-2012 Illinois State 21-14 9-9 T3rd NIT Second Round
Does North Texas not count?
1993–1994 North Texas 14–15 9–9 T4th
1994–1995 North Texas 14–13 9–9 5th
1995–1996 North Texas 15–13 12–6 2nd
1996–1997 North Texas 10–16 5–11 5th (East)
Sure, it counts some, but he took 10 years to get back to a D1 HC job and spent much of that time recruiting for the best program in the region. And I don't think he got fired at UNT.
Rusty, shut up
you shut up
Here's the deal with Weber vs. Jank; they are both huge piles of garbage. I'm sure one of them doesn't smell quite as bad as the other, but I would rather not be associated with either one of them.
exactly.
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The whole "getting fired" thing is a big deal to me. I mean oscar Weber doesn't need to prove himself - he already did at Illinois. Jank has not been fired at the highest level, so he's unproven compared to Weber.
Don't get me wrong, I would want nothing to do with Jank, and I'm not entirely sure I would take him over Weber. But if you want to look down on me for thinking Weber's dogshit might smell slightly worse than Jank's dogshit, be my guest.
Your "getting fired" point I get and I understand.
But there is something be said about actually coaching teams to the NCAA tournament multiple times. You can even throw out the 1st 2 seasons at Illinois if you want. I just think its nonsensical that you guys are making Weber out to be Wooly part 2 when that clearly isn't the case.
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Any news RE: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread? Or am I in the wrong thread for that? I'm still new to this forum thing so help a noob out.
Ryan Wallace noted on the gpc podcast yesterday that Brooks is black. Not sure if rumor, rumbling or grumbling. If confirmed, not sure if he's a REAL black guy.
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I just think its nonsensical that you guys are making Weber out to be Wooly part 2 when that clearly isn't the case.
it's called butthurt
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But there is something be said about actually coaching teams to the NCAA tournament multiple times. You can even throw out the 1st 2 seasons at Illinois if you want. I just think its nonsensical that you guys are making Weber out to be Wooly part 2 when that clearly isn't the case.
I've never said he's Wooly 2.0. I think he will do far better. I think Jank would, too.
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butthurt over weber getting fired is in the top ten of types of butthurt.
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Well folks, I've got some good news and some bad news.
The good news is that we've seemed to have moved on from the Weber vs Frank argument. The bad news is we've landed right in the middle of a Weber vs Jank argument. Even more bad news is that this one is just as pointless as the other.
Sigh!
Any news RE: Assistant Coach Rumor Thread? Or am I in the wrong thread for that? I'm still new to this forum thing so help a noob out.
I think your issue is with oscar Weber and not us, dad. I can invent assistant coaching news if you want me to.
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butthurt over weber getting fired is in the top ten of types of butthurt.
Please do a thread with the complete list.
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If Jank were at Illinois and went five years without a tournament birth and had a 9th place finish mixed in he would have been fired too, fired before that 9th place season was done. Even with the lowered expectations he was a C at best. Favorably comparing Jank to Weber seems absurd.
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Mark Fox v. Jank v. BDub
GO!
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will someone please rank the Big 12 DOBO's in order from best to worst?
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I just think its nonsensical that you guys are making Weber out to be Wooly part 2 when that clearly isn't the case.
oscar weber has been the head coach for a month now and in that month i'm pretty sure that you are the only person that made him out to be "wooly part 2". so unless you typed "four weeks ago" into your time machine, while simultaneously seeing double and looking in the mirror, you can kindly cut the "you guys" crap. thanks.
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I just think its nonsensical that you guys are making Weber out to be Wooly part 2 when that clearly isn't the case.
Weber and Wooly were both fired. So, they are same.
Also, I really like Tommy Wade as Director of Player Development at OSU. dude is a stud DPD. Big get from Oklahoma City University. Jerry Johnson is a $$ DOBO at UT. Old as crap, but good in his day.
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I will go ahead and say weber will never win more than 10 games in conference while here.
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Are we getting zeigler or did he opt to take a job in conference usa too?
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I will go ahead and say weber will never win more than 10 games in conference while here.
Counting '12-'13? Wow. I disagree, but props for sticking your neck out. I think we'll do quite well next season, I'm worried about what the culture of his program will be after Rodney is gone. Rod is an old soul, when Will is the leader the year after next if afraid we'll turn Charmin soft.
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But there is something be said about actually coaching teams to the NCAA tournament multiple times. You can even throw out the 1st 2 seasons at Illinois if you want. I just think its nonsensical that you guys are making Weber out to be Wooly part 2 when that clearly isn't the case.
I've never said he's Wooly 2.0. I think he will do far better. I think Jank would, too.
...but let's be clear - if Wooly were taking over now, Wooly 2.0 would be better than Wooly 1.0.
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But there is something be said about actually coaching teams to the NCAA tournament multiple times. You can even throw out the 1st 2 seasons at Illinois if you want. I just think its nonsensical that you guys are making Weber out to be Wooly part 2 when that clearly isn't the case.
I've never said he's Wooly 2.0. I think he will do far better. I think Jank would, too.
...but let's be clear - if Wooly were taking over now, Wooly 2.0 would be better than Wooly 1.0.
very true
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But there is something be said about actually coaching teams to the NCAA tournament multiple times. You can even throw out the 1st 2 seasons at Illinois if you want. I just think its nonsensical that you guys are making Weber out to be Wooly part 2 when that clearly isn't the case.
I've never said he's Wooly 2.0. I think he will do far better. I think Jank would, too.
...but let's be clear - if Wooly were taking over now, Wooly 2.0 would be better than Wooly 1.0.
very true
i wonder what wooly could to if he could take over a team that already had 5 future nba players on it :dunno:
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But there is something be said about actually coaching teams to the NCAA tournament multiple times. You can even throw out the 1st 2 seasons at Illinois if you want. I just think its nonsensical that you guys are making Weber out to be Wooly part 2 when that clearly isn't the case.
I've never said he's Wooly 2.0. I think he will do far better. I think Jank would, too.
...but let's be clear - if Wooly were taking over now, Wooly 2.0 would be better than Wooly 1.0.
very true
i wonder what wooly could to if he could take over a team that already had 5 future nba players on it :dunno:
run the triangle like a boss
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when Will is the leader the year after next if afraid we'll turn Charmin soft.
can a treacherous coward lead a team? who would be left to run from and to stab in the back if they're all following?
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Mark Fox v. Jank v. BDub
GO!
swks > team > chicken nuggets
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Mark Fox v. Jank v. BDub
GO!
swks > team > chicken nuggets
He's not proud of his roots. Also his little sister is awesome, the end
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Price as Director of Basketball Operations. It's a good deal for us, keep him the eff away from recruiting.
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Really nice of Weber to keep that loser Price out recruiting for us when he clearly isn't qualified for the position.
This is great news for you that this guy won't be out there alienating recruits. The downside is that he is an arrogant cancer who will still be spreading lies and misinformation to people who think that they have inside information and therefore believe it.
Your biggest obstacle in the Weber era will be dishonesty and disingenousness from him and his staff. They cannot sit back and rest on their record because they will grossly underachieve on their own merits. They have to constantly manipulate and spread disinformation and blame the fans, AD, and most of all the players while all the while planting stories about how in demand they are as coaches. They have been unable to stand on their merits since 2005 when Deron Williams left.
I wish the best of luck to you sorry saps. You need it with that incompetent fool on the sidelines.
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Price as Director of Basketball Operations. It's a good deal for us, keep him the eff away from recruiting.
From what I understand Price hasn't accepted the position yet so we may dodge a bullet if he's really as cancerous as he's rumored to be.
He was offered the position almost immediately after Weber was hired and it's been, what, 3 weeks now and he hasn't made a decision??
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Really nice of Weber to keep that loser Price out recruiting for us when he clearly isn't qualified for the position.
This is great news for you that this guy won't be out there alienating recruits. The downside is that he is an arrogant cancer who will still be spreading lies and misinformation to people who think that they have inside information and therefore believe it.
Your biggest obstacle in the Weber era will be dishonesty and disingenousness from him and his staff. They cannot sit back and rest on their record because they will grossly underachieve on their own merits. They have to constantly manipulate and spread disinformation and blame the fans, AD, and most of all the players while all the while planting stories about how in demand they are as coaches. They have been unable to stand on their merits since 2005 when Deron Williams left.
I wish the best of luck to you sorry saps. You need it with that incompetent fool on the sidelines.
Lol. I'd be pissed too.
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Price as Director of Basketball Operations. It's a good deal for us, keep him the eff away from recruiting.
From what I understand Price hasn't accepted the position yet so we may dodge a bullet if he's really as cancerous as he's rumored to be.
He was offered the position almost immediately after Weber was hired and it's been, what, 3 weeks now and he hasn't made a decision??
I think it's a positive that even after all that's gone on in the asst. coaching search, Price is still not getting a spot other than DOBO.
I'm fine with him as DOBO. I could care less who that is.
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Price as Director of Basketball Operations. It's a good deal for us, keep him the eff away from recruiting.
From what I understand Price hasn't accepted the position yet so we may dodge a bullet if he's really as cancerous as he's rumored to be.
He was offered the position almost immediately after Weber was hired and it's been, what, 3 weeks now and he hasn't made a decision??
I think it's a positive that even after all that's gone on in the asst. coaching search, Price is still not getting a spot other than DOBO.
I'm fine with him as DOBO. I could care less who that is.
But you should. As we all know too well, those are the guys that often move up into AC positions on the staff when another AC leaves.
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Price as Director of Basketball Operations. It's a good deal for us, keep him the eff away from recruiting.
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http://illinois.scout.com/2/906068.html (http://illinois.scout.com/2/906068.html) :)
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Price as Director of Basketball Operations. It's a good deal for us, keep him the eff away from recruiting.
From what I understand Price hasn't accepted the position yet so we may dodge a bullet if he's really as cancerous as he's rumored to be.
He was offered the position almost immediately after Weber was hired and it's been, what, 3 weeks now and he hasn't made a decision??
I think it's a positive that even after all that's gone on in the asst. coaching search, Price is still not getting a spot other than DOBO.
I'm fine with him as DOBO. I could care less who that is.
But you should. As we all know too well, those are the guys that often move up into AC positions on the staff when another AC leaves.
Weber has had plenty of chances to make him an AC in the past month, and yet, he hasn't. But he has offered him a DOBO position.
Why would that change in the future if he's not making that concession for an unemployed Price now when he has an open spot to fill?
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Price as Director of Basketball Operations. It's a good deal for us, keep him the eff away from recruiting.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi47.tinypic.com%2Fjikrkg.png&hash=eb822bd636cb8c3b94cf0630f589f9e93345502f)
http://illinois.scout.com/2/906068.html (http://illinois.scout.com/2/906068.html) :)
And the purpose of this article is.....??
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Price as Director of Basketball Operations. It's a good deal for us, keep him the eff away from recruiting.
From what I understand Price hasn't accepted the position yet so we may dodge a bullet if he's really as cancerous as he's rumored to be.
He was offered the position almost immediately after Weber was hired and it's been, what, 3 weeks now and he hasn't made a decision??
I think it's a positive that even after all that's gone on in the asst. coaching search, Price is still not getting a spot other than DOBO.
I'm fine with him as DOBO. I could care less who that is.
But you should. As we all know too well, those are the guys that often move up into AC positions on the staff when another AC leaves.
Weber has had plenty of chances to make him an AC in the past month, and yet, he hasn't. But he has offered him a DOBO position.
Why would that change in the future if he's not making that concession for an unemployed Price now when he has an open spot to fill?
Look, I get it. My point was that, in general, the DOBO position isn't as obsolete as you are making it. Offering it to a young up n' comer would be a better move than an assistant he is giving a pity offer to. That's not to say that there isn't something to be said for loyalty but this is a business and regardless of the restrictions on DOBO's they are AC's in waiting and contribute behind the scenes.
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Price as Director of Basketball Operations. It's a good deal for us, keep him the eff away from recruiting.
From what I understand Price hasn't accepted the position yet so we may dodge a bullet if he's really as cancerous as he's rumored to be.
He was offered the position almost immediately after Weber was hired and it's been, what, 3 weeks now and he hasn't made a decision??
I think it's a positive that even after all that's gone on in the asst. coaching search, Price is still not getting a spot other than DOBO.
I'm fine with him as DOBO. I could care less who that is.
But you should. As we all know too well, those are the guys that often move up into AC positions on the staff when another AC leaves.
Weber has had plenty of chances to make him an AC in the past month, and yet, he hasn't. But he has offered him a DOBO position.
Why would that change in the future if he's not making that concession for an unemployed Price now when he has an open spot to fill?
Look, I get it. My point was that, in general, the DOBO position isn't as obsolete as you are making it. Offering it to a young up n' comer would be a better move than an assistant he is giving a pity offer to. That's not to say that there isn't something to be said for loyalty but this is a business and regardless of the restrictions on DOBO's they are AC's in waiting and contribute behind the scenes.
KU had Barry Hinson (sp?).
So, it's not always for up and comers.
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Price as Director of Basketball Operations. It's a good deal for us, keep him the eff away from recruiting.
From what I understand Price hasn't accepted the position yet so we may dodge a bullet if he's really as cancerous as he's rumored to be.
He was offered the position almost immediately after Weber was hired and it's been, what, 3 weeks now and he hasn't made a decision??
I think it's a positive that even after all that's gone on in the asst. coaching search, Price is still not getting a spot other than DOBO.
I'm fine with him as DOBO. I could care less who that is.
But you should. As we all know too well, those are the guys that often move up into AC positions on the staff when another AC leaves.
Weber has had plenty of chances to make him an AC in the past month, and yet, he hasn't. But he has offered him a DOBO position.
Why would that change in the future if he's not making that concession for an unemployed Price now when he has an open spot to fill?
Look, I get it. My point was that, in general, the DOBO position isn't as obsolete as you are making it. Offering it to a young up n' comer would be a better move than an assistant he is giving a pity offer to. That's not to say that there isn't something to be said for loyalty but this is a business and regardless of the restrictions on DOBO's they are AC's in waiting and contribute behind the scenes.
KU had Barry Hinson (sp?).
So, it's not always for up and comers.
Agreed, but a lot of times it is.
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KU also had Mario Chalmers and Mannings' dads as DOBOs. Its a rough ridin' worthless position as a former truck driver can do it well enough to assist in a NC season. I'd rather we give it to someone's dad or coach or something but I guess they're cracking down on that crap now. Regardless, if Weber wants to give Price the job for year or two I couldn't care less. As was previously posted, Bubbles could have given him an AC job but chose to give him the DOBO spot. :meh:
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KU also had Mario Chalmers and Mannings' dads as DOBOs. Its a rough ridin' worthless position as a former truck driver can do it well enough to assist in a NC season. I'd rather we give it to someone's dad or coach or something but I guess they're cracking down on that crap now. Regardless, if Weber wants to give Price the job for year or two I couldn't care less. As was previously posted, Bubbles could have given him an AC job but chose to give him the DOBO spot. :meh:
You can't be serious... :facepalm:
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KU also had Mario Chalmers and Mannings' dads as DOBOs. Its a rough ridin' worthless position as a former truck driver can do it well enough to assist in a NC season. I'd rather we give it to someone's dad or coach or something but I guess they're cracking down on that crap now. Regardless, if Weber wants to give Price the job for year or two I couldn't care less. As was previously posted, Bubbles could have given him an AC job but chose to give him the DOBO spot.
You can't be serious... :facepalm:
Yeah, ncaa made a rule about that.
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I heard we hired another assistant. Yay!
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I heard we hired another assistant. Yay!
Any name associated to what you heard? :popcorn:
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I heard we hired another assistant. Yay!
Any name associated to what you heard? :popcorn:
Of course
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I heard we hired another assistant. Yay!
Any name associated to what you heard? :popcorn:
Of course
Whew!
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So, whatever happened with Zeigler? Where did he end up landing?
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KU also had Mario Chalmers and Mannings' dads as DOBOs. Its a rough ridin' worthless position as a former truck driver can do it well enough to assist in a NC season. I'd rather we give it to someone's dad or coach or something but I guess they're cracking down on that crap now. Regardless, if Weber wants to give Price the job for year or two I couldn't care less. As was previously posted, Bubbles could have given him an AC job but chose to give him the DOBO spot.
You can't be serious... :facepalm:
Yeah, ncaa made a rule about that.
The rule cracks down on former coaches, from my understanding. Theres still loopholes to give it to some guy who organized an AAU team, as long as he was not the coach
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KU also had Mario Chalmers and Mannings' dads as DOBOs. Its a rough ridin' worthless position as a former truck driver can do it well enough to assist in a NC season. I'd rather we give it to someone's dad or coach or something but I guess they're cracking down on that crap now. Regardless, if Weber wants to give Price the job for year or two I couldn't care less. As was previously posted, Bubbles could have given him an AC job but chose to give him the DOBO spot.
You can't be serious... :facepalm:
Yeah, ncaa made a rule about that.
The rule cracks down on former coaches, from my understanding. Theres still loopholes to give it to some guy who organized an AAU team, as long as he was not the coach
Sure, but it's frowned upon (and not likely to fly with an AD like JC...)
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Al150k
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Al150k
Brooks III? Salary?
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Ok, so to get back on topic. Heard from a pretty reliable source that Price is out as DOBO and rumored Video Coordinator Brad Korn is in. So that leaves 3rd Assistant and VC position open. We're getting somewhere people!!
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http://blogs.kansas.com/kstated/2012/05/02/a-few-minutes-with-alvin-brooks-iii/
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Ok, so to get back on topic. Heard from a pretty reliable source that Price is out as DOBO and rumored Video Coordinator Brad Korn is in. So that leaves 3rd Assistant and VC position open. We're getting somewhere people!!
The thing with this coaching search is that exactly the opposite of everything I want to occur has actually occurred.
Hopefully oscar is better at winning basketball games.
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Ok, so to get back on topic. Heard from a pretty reliable source that Price is out as DOBO and rumored Video Coordinator Brad Korn is in. So that leaves 3rd Assistant and VC position open. We're getting somewhere people!!
The thing with this coaching search is that exactly the opposite of everything I want to occur has actually occurred.
Hopefully oscar is better at winning basketball games.
Just curious...what did you want to happen?
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oh man, mods move this to the butthurt thread.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/18924270/hokies-hire-latest-reminder-that-schools-need-to-be-realistic-with-coaching-search
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Is anyone concerned that there is just flat out no word on movement for this last AC job? Not even a Doug Gotlieb rumor for the butthurt to rally around. Seems a bit strange but not sure if its a good strange or a bad strange.
:dubious:
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Is anyone concerned that there is just flat out no word on movement for this last AC job? Not even a Doug Gotlieb rumor for the butthurt to rally around. Seems a bit strange but not sure if its a good strange or a bad strange.
:dubious:
People are too tired and depressed to start rumors that, frankly, no one would believe at this point anyway.
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Is anyone concerned that there is just flat out no word on movement for this last AC job? Not even a Doug Gotlieb rumor for the butthurt to rally around. Seems a bit strange but not sure if its a good strange or a bad strange.
:dubious:
People are too tired and depressed to start rumors that, frankly, no one would believe at this point anyway.
pretty impressive really. currie managed to kill basketball in exactly one month.
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Success is a fragile thing, rick.
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Success is a fragile thing, rick.
So is loyalty apparently....
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Success is a fragile thing, rick.
So is loyalty apparently....
Loyalty to who? KSU, Currie, Frank, Fans? Who? Who is failing who here?
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Success is a fragile thing, rick.
So is loyalty apparently....
Loyalty to who? KSU, Currie, Frank, Fans? Who? Who is failing who here?
My statement wasn't an attack on you. It was a general observations that fan loyalty is also fragile...so many eager to step off the ledge before we've even played a season with the new staff. That's all.
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Success is a fragile thing, rick.
So is loyalty apparently....
Loyalty to who? KSU, Currie, Frank, Fans? Who? Who is failing who here?
My statement wasn't an attack on you. It was a general observations that fan loyalty is also fragile...so many eager to step off the ledge before we've even played a season with the new staff. That's all.
Forget ledges, we just got rough ridin' thrown out of an airplane without a parachute.
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seems really old for a young "up-and-comer".
http://thegamedaynetwork.com/?p=3477
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:rolleyes:
Success is a fragile thing, rick.
So is loyalty apparently....
:rolleyes: A little dramatic don't you think?
Loyalty to who? KSU, Currie, Frank, Fans? Who? Who is failing who here?
My statement wasn't an attack on you. It was a general observations that fan loyalty is also fragile...so many eager to step off the ledge before we've even played a season with the new staff. That's all.
Forget ledges, we just got rough ridin' thrown out of an airplane without a parachute.
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Hubert Davis just got hired at UNC and we can't give Gottlieb a rough ridin' call???
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Hubert Davis just got hired at UNC and we can't give Gottlieb a rough ridin' call???
Too risky.
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Hubert Davis just got hired at UNC and we can't give Gottlieb a rough ridin' call???
Almost went a whole day without any butthurt.
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Maybe you did.
Not this guy.
#teamHORNS
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Success is a fragile thing, rick.
So is loyalty apparently....
Loyalty to who? KSU, Currie, Frank, Fans? Who? Who is failing who here?
wow. just wow. ppowercat1 (with only one queso jar) just destroyed cns brain surgery :lol:
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I talked to Hurbert Davis for a bit in NOLA, nice guy.
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Success is a fragile thing, rick.
So is loyalty apparently....
Loyalty to who? KSU, Currie, Frank, Fans? Who? Who is failing who here?
wow. just wow. ppowercat1 (with only one queso jar) just destroyed cns brain surgery :lol:
Posting one handed(other hand in grey matter) leaves a guy open sometimes.
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Hubert Davis just got hired at UNC and we can't give Gottlieb a rough ridin' call???
Almost went a whole day without any butthurt.
no butthurt here, I really did not enjoy him on tv. Hopefully Doug gets his spot on college gameday.
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So is Weber actaully going to finish hiring a staff sometime or does he just plan on waiting until next season starts then putting an ad in the paper for out of work coaches and seeing who shows up?
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Certainly he can pull a page from Frank's playbook and find a fired DOBO, or a USBL legend out there.
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Certainly he can pull a page from Frank's playbook and find a fired DOBO, or a USBL legend out there.
you would think....but he's failed at it so far
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hot butthurt topic update: butthurt over lack of a finalized staff is all the rage right now.
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seems really old for a young "up-and-comer".
http://thegamedaynetwork.com/?p=3477
Is 32 old for an "up and comer"? :confused:
I don't get hiring the we should have hired the youngest guy possible butthurt
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Certainly he can pull a page from Frank's playbook and find a fired DOBO, or a USBL legend out there.
you would think....but he's failed at it so far
His daughter's wedding is this weekend. I doubt we'll hear anything until next week. I read somewhere (don't remember where) that he has two interviews scheduled next week. This search has been relatively quiet.
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So is Weber actaully going to finish hiring a staff sometime or does he just plan on waiting until next season starts then putting an ad in the paper for out of work coaches and seeing who shows up?
The last that I read was that he was down to two guys but wouldn't do the interviews until next week. So I wouldn't expect any news to break today or over the weekend. :dubious:
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If you go to Cold Stone Creamery and only two attendants are working do you have to shut the doors?
The answer is an emphatic NO. You just roll up your sleeves and work harder and hope that a lot of people aren't really hungry for ice cream.
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seems really old for a young "up-and-comer".
http://thegamedaynetwork.com/?p=3477
Is 32 old for an "up and comer"? :confused:
I don't get hiring the we should have hired the youngest guy possible butthurt
He looks older than 32.
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i don't know about you guys, but i sure will sleep better at night once this third assistant is hired.
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i don't know about you guys, but i sure will sleep better at night once this third assistant is hired.
Especially if it's a great hire. And it might be! Who knows?!?
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USBL legend
#Gottlieb4KSU
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Man, this Alvin Brooks III. Seriously, where in the f*ck did we find this guy? :facepalm:
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Man, this Alvin Brooks III. Seriously, where in the f*ck did we find this guy? :facepalm:
Sam Houston State...
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Certainly he can pull a page from Frank's playbook and find a fired DOBO, or a USBL legend out there.
you would think....but he's failed at it so far
His daughter's wedding is this weekend. I doubt we'll hear anything until next week. I read somewhere (don't remember where) that he has two interviews scheduled next week. This search has been relatively quiet.
http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2608 (http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2608)
Korn set to join staff
Weber expects Brad Korn, a former player and assistant coach at Southern Illinois, to join his staff in the as Director of Basketball Operations.
“It looks like it will be Brad Korn,” Weber said. “We brought him in for administrative position."
Korn has served as an assistant with the Salukis since 2006, where he worked under current K-State associate head coach Chris Lowery. He played for Weber at SIU.
Weber has one assistant coach opening remaining on his staff. He said he has two candidates in mind for the position, but will likely wait until next week to begin the interview process.
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Certainly he can pull a page from Frank's playbook and find a fired DOBO, or a USBL legend out there.
you would think....but he's failed at it so far
His daughter's wedding is this weekend. I doubt we'll hear anything until next week. I read somewhere (don't remember where) that he has two interviews scheduled next week. This search has been relatively quiet.
http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2608 (http://campuscorner.kansascity.com/node/2608)
Korn set to join staff
Weber expects Brad Korn, a former player and assistant coach at Southern Illinois, to join his staff in the as Director of Basketball Operations.
“It looks like it will be Brad Korn,” Weber said. “We brought him in for administrative position."
Korn has served as an assistant with the Salukis since 2006, where he worked under current K-State associate head coach Chris Lowery. He played for Weber at SIU.
Weber has one assistant coach opening remaining on his staff. He said he has two candidates in mind for the position, but will likely wait until next week to begin the interview process.
The mid-major transformation is nearly complete.
I like oscar's recipe he's got cooking. Build up a championship caliber BCS program atmosphere by acting as small time, and hiring as many small time people from small time programs as possible!
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Hopefully we're gonna get a guy out of a Juco no one has ever heard of, ya know, the Underwood route.
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In fairness, at this point oscar Weber has probably tried to hire a number of talented and qualified assistants and is now looking at the bottom of his list. Nobody who has a future will go anywhere near him. That goes for coaches and players as well.
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In fairness, at this point oscar Weber has probably tried to hire a number of talented and qualified assistants and is now looking at the bottom of his list. Nobody who has a future will go anywhere near him. That goes for coaches and players as well.
Just out of curiosity...and a little queasiness and terror...Why? Insight please.
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In fairness, at this point oscar Weber has probably tried to hire a number of talented and qualified assistants and is now looking at the bottom of his list. Nobody who has a future will go anywhere near him. That goes for coaches and players as well.
In oscar's defense, our AD is a cheap ass, so I'm guessing he can only reach out to people on the bottom of his list because that's all we'll pay for.
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to be fair to oscar, and in his defense, not many people want to work for the nazis in this day and age. at least not at a school like kansas state.
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Powercat, oscar Weber was a disaster at Illinois. Everybody knows it but nobody will say it (not in the press at least). He greatly regressed as a coach while at Illinois. I think the problem is that his recruiting initially was just embarrassing. He went after and lost point guards like Austin Jackson, Sherron Collins, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose and probably others. He always used excuses like nobody wants to sit behind Dee and Deron and some of those players were bought and paid for but his recruiting was beyond awful the first three years.
At that point we knew he would probably fail. And rather than accept this and try to do the best with what he had, oscar had to make it so it was not his fault. He always made excuses but in his head he was responsible for getting us to the title game. His ego and head grew three sizes. He could not accept that maybe he wasn't the reason we made the title game. He insulted our program, bragging about how he used to beat us when he was at Purdue (as an assistant). He insulted the fans when they would criticize him on really obvious issues. He dug his heels in and refused to eat a slice of humble pie. At the height of his hypocracy he spent years ripping the players claiming if you tell them to do things and they don't do it there is nothing a coach can do. But he still bragged about getting to the title game because it was the furthest we had ever gotten. Which one is it oscar? You can't blame the kids when you lose but brag about your coaching when you win.
The worst part of it all was the lack of discipline for his team. Luther Head allegedly walked into an unlocked apartment with a couple friends and took stuff. Luther got a slap on the wrist. I somewhat understand at least nobody was hurt. But then Jamar Smith gets drunk crashes his car and leaves teammate Brian Carlwell for dead. Carlwell suffered a life threatening concussion and was probably never the same. And yet Jamar stayed on the team. How can a coach justify that? What does it take to get thrown off of oscar Weber's team?
The chemistry issues continued. Shaun Pruitt was a dick and a selfish teammate. He thought he was an NBA lottery pick. Weber kept him on the team despite putrid chemistry. Not coincidentally Pruitt was cut and sent home by his first professional team after graduating for acting like a clown. It's what most coaches would have done (I hope Shaun has gotten it together).
This past season we had another delusional players Brandon Paul act out because of the attention a legit NBA prospect Meyers Leonard was getting. oscar had no way to control it.
For the past 6 years I can say only a couple players have improved on oscar Weber's watch.
His eye for talent is just awful. He passedon Lewis Jackson and even worse Robbie Hummul (a U of I legacy oscar Weber told was not Big Ten caliber.) You know about Jacob Pullen. He also let Pargo and others slip away. He recruited to unathletic and slow guys in Mike Tisdale and Bill Cole to have big roles in our offense because they were tremendous set shooters. But they were awful atmost everything else.
All the while oscar kept throwing his players under the bus. All the while he ran the same predictable offense that tesms knew was coming (but which he claimed was unstoppable). We had games earlier this year when Weber never tried to post his NBA bound 7 footer.
At this point Weber has no credibilty in the recruiting/coaching world right now. Look at the top 100 talent that does not improve. Look at Jerome Richmond's career. Look at how his assistants at Illinois couldn't find head coaching jobs since Chris Lowery years and years ago. Look at how McClain and Price two assistants last year cannot find basketball employment. What coach in his right mind would trust Weber with his career? Look at the comment Weber told the paper about Jay Price needing to figure out if he is staying a basketball coach. That comment killed what little career Jay Price had left.
Just remember that oscar Weber ran a clown show at Illinois. He should have been fired three years ago. And whatever he says ...don't buy it. Meyers Leonard will go first round but oscar had nothing to do with it. Meyers improved leaps and bounds after playing for Coach K last summer. If Weber had fed him the ball enough he would have gone lottery
Remember Weber has friends in coaching but talk is cheap. Is Weber winning games lately? Are his players improving? I hope your sports writers do better calling out the truth than ours did.
Good luck to you guys. Your coach is toxic within the profession. I'll be rooting for you guys in football and for you to get a respectable coach sooner than later. I hope he doesn't last 9 years in Manhattan as he did at Illinois.
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I wish we had hired a guy that didn't have butthurt fans of his ex school feeling the need to follow him to his new schools boards and keep talking crap.
It was cute at first, but no more.
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I wish we had hired a guy that didn't have butthurt fans of his ex school feeling the need to follow him to his new schools boards and keep talking crap.
It was cute at first, but no more.
Yeah, either Illinois has the loseriest dorkstore fans or this is a sock with way too much rough ridin' time on his hands.
Have fun with Jim Gross you sham of a never was program. Weber took you further than you've ever been and ever will go. Go spend 2000 words validating your fire on orangeni or whatever.
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Powercat, oscar Weber was a disaster at Illinois. Everybody knows it but nobody will say it (not in the press at least). He greatly regressed as a coach while at Illinois. I think the problem is that his recruiting initially was just embarrassing. He went after and lost point guards like Austin Jackson, Sherron Collins, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose and probably others. He always used excuses like nobody wants to sit behind Dee and Deron and some of those players were bought and paid for but his recruiting was beyond awful the first three years.
At that point we knew he would probably fail. And rather than accept this and try to do the best with what he had, oscar had to make it so it was not his fault. He always made excuses but in his head he was responsible for getting us to the title game. His ego and head grew three sizes. He could not accept that maybe he wasn't the reason we made the title game. He insulted our program, bragging about how he used to beat us when he was at Purdue (as an assistant). He insulted the fans when they would criticize him on really obvious issues. He dug his heels in and refused to eat a slice of humble pie. At the height of his hypocracy he spent years ripping the players claiming if you tell them to do things and they don't do it there is nothing a coach can do. But he still bragged about getting to the title game because it was the furthest we had ever gotten. Which one is it oscar? You can't blame the kids when you lose but brag about your coaching when you win.
The worst part of it all was the lack of discipline for his team. Luther Head allegedly walked into an unlocked apartment with a couple friends and took stuff. Luther got a slap on the wrist. I somewhat understand at least nobody was hurt. But then Jamar Smith gets drunk crashes his car and leaves teammate Brian Carlwell for dead. Carlwell suffered a life threatening concussion and was probably never the same. And yet Jamar stayed on the team. How can a coach justify that? What does it take to get thrown off of oscar Weber's team?
The chemistry issues continued. Shaun Pruitt was a dick and a selfish teammate. He thought he was an NBA lottery pick. Weber kept him on the team despite putrid chemistry. Not coincidentally Pruitt was cut and sent home by his first professional team after graduating for acting like a clown. It's what most coaches would have done (I hope Shaun has gotten it together).
This past season we had another delusional players Brandon Paul act out because of the attention a legit NBA prospect Meyers Leonard was getting. oscar had no way to control it.
For the past 6 years I can say only a couple players have improved on oscar Weber's watch.
His eye for talent is just awful. He passedon Lewis Jackson and even worse Robbie Hummul (a U of I legacy oscar Weber told was not Big Ten caliber.) You know about Jacob Pullen. He also let Pargo and others slip away. He recruited to unathletic and slow guys in Mike Tisdale and Bill Cole to have big roles in our offense because they were tremendous set shooters. But they were awful atmost everything else.
All the while oscar kept throwing his players under the bus. All the while he ran the same predictable offense that tesms knew was coming (but which he claimed was unstoppable). We had games earlier this year when Weber never tried to post his NBA bound 7 footer.
At this point Weber has no credibilty in the recruiting/coaching world right now. Look at the top 100 talent that does not improve. Look at Jerome Richmond's career. Look at how his assistants at Illinois couldn't find head coaching jobs since Chris Lowery years and years ago. Look at how McClain and Price two assistants last year cannot find basketball employment. What coach in his right mind would trust Weber with his career? Look at the comment Weber told the paper about Jay Price needing to figure out if he is staying a basketball coach. That comment killed what little career Jay Price had left.
Just remember that oscar Weber ran a clown show at Illinois. He should have been fired three years ago. And whatever he says ...don't buy it. Meyers Leonard will go first round but oscar had nothing to do with it. Meyers improved leaps and bounds after playing for Coach K last summer. If Weber had fed him the ball enough he would have gone lottery
Remember Weber has friends in coaching but talk is cheap. Is Weber winning games lately? Are his players improving? I hope your sports writers do better calling out the truth than ours did.
Good luck to you guys. Your coach is toxic within the profession. I'll be rooting for you guys in football and for you to get a respectable coach sooner than later. I hope he doesn't last 9 years in Manhattan as he did at Illinois.
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good info, itd. it sounds like weber's problems largely stem from poor talent evaluation and the nazi ideology.
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[oscar Weber sucks, etc.]
Guys, do you think that maybe JugofSnyder got confused when he was talking to his "sources" and they were really talking about oscar but he assumed they were talking about Frank? I mean, you know what they say about assuming...
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Its been over a month and we don't have a full staff yet. This is ridiculous
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Its been over a month and we don't have a full staff yet. This is ridiculous
Yeah, how long until a Help Wanted ad hits the papers?
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Its been over a month and we don't have a full staff yet. This is ridiculous
Yeah, how long until a Help Wanted ad hits the papers?
I've stopped caring at this point. Whoever they line up for the fourth spot is going to be a complete no-name anyhow.
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Hey man, it takes time to go through Frank's files on USBL legends, fired DOBO's and NJCAA Div II assistants.
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What website was it where Basketball Ops people put up requests for scheduling? I wouldn't be shocked if we had a banner ad up there
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HELP WANTED:
Assistant Mens Basketball Coach
- Must be alive
- must be blue collar
- must be willing to say yes if offered position
- cannot be lactose intolerant
- contacts to mediocre high school/aau talent preferred
Submit resumes via Western Union or directly to Athletic Dept.
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Hey man, it takes time to go through Frank's files on USBL legends, fired DOBO's and NJCAA Div II assistants.
:emawkid:
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Its been over a month and we don't have a full staff yet. This is ridiculous
I'd be more upset if the first two guys were really bad.
Lowery and AB3 aren't that bad, though.
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You know as #TeamButtHurt continues to show tremendous staying power, I once again lament the fact that oscar Weber has hired a former Division 1 head coach, a sitting D1 assistant . . . as an assistant etc. etc.
Because #TeamButtHurt would have gone ThermoNuclear over a:
-Fired DOBO
-USBL Legend with seemingly no collegiate coaching experience at all.
-No where Junior College Assistant Coach.
But #TeamButtHurt won't let that stop them. In fact, Frank walked into a self made staff . . . based on anyone he hired after that, dang, I can't imagine what kind of rocks Frank would have been over turning having to hire a staff from scratch. Needless to say, some Brown-Mackie assistant would be getting a major pay raise.
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I wish we had hired a guy that didn't have butthurt fans of his ex school feeling the need to follow him to his new schools boards and keep talking crap.
It was cute at first, but no more.
Yeah, either Illinois has the loseriest dorkstore fans or this is a sock with way too much rough ridin' time on his hands.
Have fun with Jim Gross you sham of a never was program. Weber took you further than you've ever been and ever will go. Go spend 2000 words validating your fire on orangeni or whatever.
It's my sock. Every now and then I like to fill it up with a nice steamy man oyster of thoughts and fling it at you guys.
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I'm Butthurt because the only way Weber is going to succeed in Manhattan is if he can recruit talent.
And the two recruiters with a proven reputation that were to join the staff, we lost out on to basketball powers SMU and LSU.
That's just me, though.
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I'm Butthurt because the only way Weber is going to succeed in Manhattan is if he can recruit talent.
And the two recruiters with a proven reputation that were to join the staff, we lost out on to basketball powers SMU and LSU.
That's just me, though.
In retrospect, I was much more upset about Forrest than Howard.
I get Howard going to SMU to coach under Brown. If it's true that we just didn't want to pay Forrest enough, yeah, that makes me pretty angry.
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good info, itd. it sounds like weber's problems largely stem from poor talent evaluation and the nazi ideology.
You know at the nazi camps when they'd made the jews run to see who was healthy and then they'd kill the ones that weren't healthy? I bet Weber was really bad at judging who was healthy.
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Hey man, it takes time to go through Frank's files on USBL legends, fired DOBO's and NJCAA Div II assistants.
what on earth
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cRustyMichButtHurt
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Well that's probably a good point cRustyMichButtHurt.
Who did Frank actually have to go out and hire?
Evans, anybody else . . . the names are so unimpressive I just can't remember.
But you're just making crap up.
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I think there is a big difference in hiring a whole new staff and plugging a hole in a staff.
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looks like the much anticipated cRustyMichButtHurt v. dax throw down has finally arrived
cRustyMichButtHurt claiming dax is fabricating events, how does dax respond to cRustyMichButtHurt?
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dax responds by spitting multiple factoids right into cRustyMichButtHurt's facial cranium zone
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Oh, okay, so Evans, Figgers, Assaley and Underwood and company have some sort of super secret but highly impressive resume/bio's out there then.
Evans had not one seconds worth of Division 1 coaching experience prior to being brought in by Frank as as graduate assistant.
Underwood was hired by Huggins, his previous coaching extent was 2 Juco's and Western Illinois.
Figger started out at basketball titan South Alabama, and was canned with the rest of the staff at Arkansas where he was the DOBO . . . great run Pelphrey and company had there.
Assaley was a gofor for Huggins.
Figger left Arkansas before Pelphrey coached a game there. Even if he hadn't left that early, I don't know why it should prevent someone for criticizing Weber's staff.
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cRustyMichButtHurt surprisingly returns for another salvo of daxwiches :excited:
how will this end? who will concede?
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I'm pretty butthurt over the strength and conditioning tool we hired compared to Greenawalt. Add that to the heap.
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I think if you want to compare staff to staff completely out of context, Dax has a point. But there is context and we were successful with Frank, so he gets more of a pass
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Everyone knows that #teambutthurt stands at the Pulpit of the Church of Frankite as they criticize Weber's staff. Criticize all you want, just admit where you're coming from when you do it.
Everyone that Frank hired or promoted was a collection of nobodies in relative terms.
That's true, but Frank rough ridin' had Dalonte Bagman Hill on his initial staff which gives him a pass on the other coaches at the times they were hired. If Weber had landed Howard, or even Forrest, no one would be criticizing this staff.
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Everyone knows that #teambutthurt stands at the Pulpit of the Church of Frankite as they criticize Weber's staff. Criticize all you want, just admit where you're coming from when you do it.
Everyone that Frank hired or promoted was a collection of nobodies in relative terms.
That's true, but Frank rough ridin' had Dalonte Bagman Hill on his initial staff which gives him a pass on the other coaches at the times they were hired. If Weber had landed Howard, or even Forrest, no one would be criticizing this staff.
Yet we all know what happened there, and Frank replaced Dalonte Hill with . . . ??
While it would never have happened, because Frank himself was a nobody without Bob Huggins, but the thought of Frank Martin having to build an entire staff from scratch is absolutely horrifying to contemplate.
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Yet we all know what happened there, and Frank replaced Dalonte Hill with . . . ??
Again, the remaining staff had proven itself to be successful, so it's fine taking a risk. (And the risk appeared to be paying off.)
While it would never have happened, because Frank himself was a nobody without Bob Huggins, but the thought of Frank Martin having to build an entire staff from scratch is absolutely horrifying to contemplate.
who gives a crap?
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The remaining staff had no horsepower to overcome the bridges being burned IMO.
:jerk:
Craps are given because #teambutthurt forgets how Frank got set up early and often.
Yeah, none of us remember the circumstances that led to him getting hired you moron.
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The current staff being equal to or less than as bad as the most recent staff that Frank had should not listed as a positive for Weber. Overall, if you looked at Frank’s initial staff vs. Weber’s initial staff, Frank’s wins every day of the week and twice on Sundays, even if it’s just because of ‘Te.
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nobody has revised crap
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The current staff being equal to or less than as bad as the most recent staff that Frank had should not listed as a positive for Weber. Overall, if you looked at Frank’s initial staff vs. Weber’s initial staff, Frank’s wins every day of the week and twice on Sundays, even if it’s just because of ‘Te.
i think what you meant to say was that nothing should be listed as a positive for weber.
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nobody has revised crap
Uh-huh :rolleyes:
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Any word on the two interviews that are supposed to take place this week? Any insight on who they might be? :popcorn:
P.S. If there is no word, can somone make something interesting up? At least until there is some real news breaks.
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Oh and Zacker . . . Frank didn't hire his initial staff, except for one guy . . . the list of nobodies is hard to keep track of.
We can disagree, but I give credit to Frank for keeping ‘Te. He hired him. ‘Te had the option of KSU or West Virginia and chose Frank.
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This isn't the same since pissclams quit narrating it.
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Oh and Zacker . . . Frank didn't hire his initial staff, except for one guy . . . the list of nobodies is hard to keep track of.
We can disagree, but I give credit to Frank for keeping ‘Te. He hired him. ‘Te had the option of KSU or West Virginia and chose Frank.
Let's be real here, Te chose $400K.
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Any word on the two interviews that are supposed to take place this week? Any insight on who they might be? :popcorn:
P.S. If there is no word, can somone make something interesting up? At least until there is some real news breaks.
I'll make something up:
The two guys he is going to interview this week are oscar Shingler and Mo Hicks.
Most know oscar as the former DCA alum/coach and K-State Admin Asstiant, who left to lead Beasley's entourage and is now an assistant at Morgan State.
Hicks is the former Rice/Gouchos coach who sent several players to K-State including current players Southwell and JO. He is currently working on the St Johns staff along side Weber mentor and K-State alum Gene Keady. He's DOBO there becuase you can't hire a standing AAU coach and have them recruit right away, but I'm not sure that applies if he's hired away, or how long he has left.
Curtis Kelly says "why not?" :ck:
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Oh and Zacker . . . Frank didn't hire his initial staff, except for one guy . . . the list of nobodies is hard to keep track of.
We can disagree, but I give credit to Frank for keeping ‘Te. He hired him. ‘Te had the option of KSU or West Virginia and chose Frank.
Let's be real here, Te chose $400K.
Weber could do something similar if he wanted. In a way, overpaying for Lowery was kind of similar
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Oh and Zacker . . . Frank didn't hire his initial staff, except for one guy . . . the list of nobodies is hard to keep track of.
We can disagree, but I give credit to Frank for keeping ‘Te. He hired him. ‘Te had the option of KSU or West Virginia and chose Frank.
Let's be real here, Te chose $400K.
True, but did huggs offer him 400k to leave for WVU? That's actually another reason that Frank should get credit for 'Te.
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Oh and Zacker . . . Frank didn't hire his initial staff, except for one guy . . . the list of nobodies is hard to keep track of.
We can disagree, but I give credit to Frank for keeping ‘Te. He hired him. ‘Te had the option of KSU or West Virginia and chose Frank.
Let's be real here, Te chose $400K.
True, but did huggs offer him 400k to leave for WVU? That's actually another reason that Frank should get credit for 'Te.
or why the AD at the time should get credit. either way, it was a pretty freaking outstanding steal and something that current admin and staff could never pull off in a million years.
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Yeah, it was a steal for awhile, but then rapidly distentigrated into TeNearly$500K with virtually nothing in the pipeline to show for it . . . so don't be a dumbass and think that Oliver Luck or any other AD isn't going to look at the payroll number and then the recruiting pipeline and ask why the eff they're paying some assistant nearly $500K to recruit no one.
Posted with no spell check so eff it.
Te$1M would have been worth it. He brought Michael Beasley to Kansas State. No other head coach or assistant could have done that.
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Yeah, it was a steal for awhile, but then rapidly distentigrated into TeNearly$500K with virtually nothing in the pipeline to show for it . . . so don't be a dumbass and think that Oliver Luck or any other AD isn't going to look at the payroll number and then the recruiting pipeline and ask why the eff they're paying some assistant nearly $500K to recruit no one.
Posted with no spell check so eff it.
when 'Te would have left, the pipeline was flowing. no one knew that bell and beasley would fallout and make malone mad. 'Te wasn't producing after Wally and Gruds. I wasn't sad when he left. Frank's staff at the end is just as bad as the staff weber has assembled, imo. oscar's is possibly marginally better.
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Yea, 'te was done. Really wish we would have found a way to reinvest that money though
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Yea, 'te was done. Really wish we would have found a way to reinvest that money though
Franked killed 'te pipeline with his temper. oscar would open it right back up.
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I think it's pretty impressive that a national-championship caliber coach with 14 years' D-I head coaching experience, multiple conference titles, and the accolades from fellow coaches that Weber has received over the past month can manage to mostly-assemble a coaching staff in a month's time that is equal to or a bit better than the staff assembled by a high school coach who abused his players.
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Yea, 'te was done. Really wish we would have found a way to reinvest that money though
Franked killed 'te pipeline with his temper. oscar would open it right back up.
I think a number of things killed that pipeline, but Franks temper is part of it. Maryland is where 'Te is probably best lined up for success, though. If he can't bring them in there, he is in trouble
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Yea, 'te was done. Really wish we would have found a way to reinvest that money though
Franked killed 'te pipeline with his temper. oscar would open it right back up.
I think a number of things killed that pipeline, but Franks temper is part of it. Maryland is where 'Te is probably best lined up for success, though. If he can't bring them in there, he is in trouble
He's in trouble. He should have been fired after that second DUI. He's damaged now, he's got red flags and is a sitting target to other recruiters. Also the DCA thing is far from resolved.
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I didn't even realize he had the second DUI. Maryland has a decent class coming in, though I don't know who Hill was responsible for. Maybe 4* and 3* out of Mass
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Yea, 'te was done. Really wish we would have found a way to reinvest that money though
Franked killed 'te pipeline with his temper. oscar would open it right back up.
I think a number of things killed that pipeline, but Franks temper is part of it. Maryland is where 'Te is probably best lined up for success, though. If he can't bring them in there, he is in trouble
He's in trouble. He should have been fired after that second DUI. He's damaged now, he's got red flags and is a sitting target to other recruiters. Also the DCA thing is far from resolved.
Frank blew up on Malone because he wasn't getting a chance to recruit the better DCA players because they were going to duke, same thing that happened with Mo-Kan. There could be an issue with Malone and Currie, but if that is the case Shingler wouldn't get hired so it is a mute point.
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Yea, 'te was done. Really wish we would have found a way to reinvest that money though
Franked killed 'te pipeline with his temper. oscar would open it right back up.
I think a number of things killed that pipeline, but Franks temper is part of it. Maryland is where 'Te is probably best lined up for success, though. If he can't bring them in there, he is in trouble
He's in trouble. He should have been fired after that second DUI. He's damaged now, he's got red flags and is a sitting target to other recruiters. Also the DCA thing is far from resolved.
Frank blew up on Malone because he wasn't getting a chance to recruit the better DCA players because they were going to duke, same thing that happened with Mo-Kan. There could be an issue with Malone and Currie, but if that is the case Shingler wouldn't get hired so it is a mute point.
I was referring more to the unresolved issues that has or may eventually arise from Bell v. Beasley
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Yea, 'te was done. Really wish we would have found a way to reinvest that money though
Franked killed 'te pipeline with his temper. oscar would open it right back up.
I think a number of things killed that pipeline, but Franks temper is part of it. Maryland is where 'Te is probably best lined up for success, though. If he can't bring them in there, he is in trouble
He's in trouble. He should have been fired after that second DUI. He's damaged now, he's got red flags and is a sitting target to other recruiters. Also the DCA thing is far from resolved.
Frank blew up on Malone because he wasn't getting a chance to recruit the better DCA players because they were going to duke, same thing that happened with Mo-Kan. There could be an issue with Malone and Currie, but if that is the case Shingler wouldn't get hired so it is a mute point.
I was referring more to the unresolved issues that has or may eventually arise from Bell v. Beasley
I don't think much animosity from DCA would would be placed on K-state new staff regardless of what materialize from the Beasley vs Bell situation if where hired another one of their Alumni to a major coaching job again.
Also what happened with Malone assault charges, would if be a good thing for emaw if he ins't in charge of DCA anymore?
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Chris Lowery:
just got done talking with B-More's finest -LOL!!!!!
So oscar Shingler is in town for a Interview??? :dunno:
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Yea, 'te was done. Really wish we would have found a way to reinvest that money though
Franked killed 'te pipeline with his temper. oscar would open it right back up.
I think a number of things killed that pipeline, but Franks temper is part of it. Maryland is where 'Te is probably best lined up for success, though. If he can't bring them in there, he is in trouble
He's in trouble. He should have been fired after that second DUI. He's damaged now, he's got red flags and is a sitting target to other recruiters. Also the DCA thing is far from resolved.
Frank blew up on Malone because he wasn't getting a chance to recruit the better DCA players because they were going to duke, same thing that happened with Mo-Kan. There could be an issue with Malone and Currie, but if that is the case Shingler wouldn't get hired so it is a mute point.
I was referring more to the unresolved issues that has or may eventually arise from Bell v. Beasley
I don't think much animosity from DCA would would be placed on K-state new staff regardless of what materialize from the Beasley vs Bell situation if where hired another one of their Alumni to a major coaching job again.
Also what happened with Malone assault charges, would if be a good thing for emaw if he ins't in charge of DCA anymore?
Somewhere our lines got crossed, I wasn't referring to the current staff either. I was simply stating that Hill is through as an elite recruiter and giving my reasons for the opinion.
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Yea, 'te was done. Really wish we would have found a way to reinvest that money though
Franked killed 'te pipeline with his temper. oscar would open it right back up.
I think a number of things killed that pipeline, but Franks temper is part of it. Maryland is where 'Te is probably best lined up for success, though. If he can't bring them in there, he is in trouble
He's in trouble. He should have been fired after that second DUI. He's damaged now, he's got red flags and is a sitting target to other recruiters. Also the DCA thing is far from resolved.
Frank blew up on Malone because he wasn't getting a chance to recruit the better DCA players because they were going to duke, same thing that happened with Mo-Kan. There could be an issue with Malone and Currie, but if that is the case Shingler wouldn't get hired so it is a mute point.
I was referring more to the unresolved issues that has or may eventually arise from Bell v. Beasley
I don't think much animosity from DCA would would be placed on K-state new staff regardless of what materialize from the Beasley vs Bell situation if where hired another one of their Alumni to a major coaching job again.
Also what happened with Malone assault charges, would if be a good thing for emaw if he ins't in charge of DCA anymore?
Somewhere our lines got crossed, I wasn't referring to the current staff either. I was simply stating that Hill is through as an elite recruiter and giving my reasons for the opinion.
Agree, that is solid reasoning.
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This isn't the same since pissclams quit narrating it.
Insert "butthurt" every 5th word if it makes you feel better. All he has done for the past few weeks is play butthurt police.
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this country's witchhunty hard-on for dui's is rough ridin' ridiculous and a social cancer. eff mothers.
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This isn't the same since pissclams quit narrating it.
Insert "butthurt" every 5th word if it makes you feel better. All he has done for the past few weeks is play butthurt police.
it was never by choice
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this country's witchhunty hard-on for dui's is rough ridin' ridiculous and a social cancer. eff mothers.
I'm not even going to get into the severity of what DUIs are and aren't, but getting two when you're rich and in the position he's in, is incredibly poor judgment at best and is absolutely open to scrutiny when he's walking into the living rooms of 16 year olds and their family pitching themselves. I happen to think masterbaiting isn't a big deal, should it not be brought up if I got caught doing it in public, twice?
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I happen to think masterbaiting isn't a big deal, should it not be brought up if I got caught doing it in public, twice?
:surprised: :jerk:
But yeah, I imagine part of the recruiting message is instilling some level of discipline, responsibility, and accountability. Coming from a guy with 2 DUIs, the message rings a bit hollow.
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this country's witchhunty hard-on for dui's is rough ridin' ridiculous and a social cancer. eff mothers.
I'm not even going to get into the severity of what DUIs are and aren't, but getting two when you're rich and in the position he's in, is incredibly poor judgment at best and is absolutely open to scrutiny when he's walking into the living rooms of 16 year olds and their family pitching themselves. I happen to think masterbaiting isn't a big deal, should it not be brought up if I got caught doing it in public, twice?
If it (dui) didn't (often) kill people, it probably wouldn't be such a big deal.
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I happen to think masterbaiting isn't a big deal, should it not be brought up if I got caught doing it in public, twice?
:surprised: :jerk:
But yeah, I imagine part of the recruiting message is instilling some level of discipline, responsibility, and accountability. Coming from a guy with 2 DUIs, the message rings a bit hollow.
exactly
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If it (dui) didn't (often) kill people, it probably wouldn't be such a big deal.
speeding kills people, but somehow we deal with it with a small fine and society doesn't come unraveled. not to mention that we consider ourselves capable of distinguishing between the relative elevated risks involved of doing 150 in a 30 zone and doing 59 in a 55.
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If it (dui) didn't (often) kill people, it probably wouldn't be such a big deal.
speeding kills people, but somehow we deal with it with a small fine and society doesn't come unraveled. not to mention that we consider ourselves capable of distinguishing between the relative elevated risks involved of doing 150 in a 30 zone and doing 59 in a 55.
I agree with sys for two reasons:
A. My doing so immediately undermines him
B. The consequences associated with not hurting somebody while driving with a bac of .08 or higher are draconian and asinine when compared to the consequences for driving into someone and killing them while just being an inattentive moron.
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If it (dui) didn't (often) kill people, it probably wouldn't be such a big deal.
speeding kills people, but somehow we deal with it with a small fine and society doesn't come unraveled. not to mention that we consider ourselves capable of distinguishing between the relative elevated risks involved of doing 150 in a 30 zone and doing 59 in a 55.
I agree with sys for two reasons:
A. My doing so immediately undermines him
B. The consequences associated with not hurting somebody while driving with a bac of .08 or higher are draconian and asinine when compared to the consequences for driving into someone and killing them while just being an inattentive moron.
You can acknowledge the seriousness of drunk driving yet at the same time admonish the random and nonsensical nature of DUI enforcement and traffic violations in general.
Anyway as far as Hill goes, none of that is important, its an issue solely of awful judgment. He's aware of how society views drunk driving and he's aware of what public image he needs to portray to be an effective recruiter, yet he seemingly doesn't care enough to get rough ridin' car service. He's made nearly 2 million dollars in the last 5 years of his life, there are no credible excuses.
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If it (dui) didn't (often) kill people, it probably wouldn't be such a big deal.
speeding kills people, but somehow we deal with it with a small fine and society doesn't come unraveled. not to mention that we consider ourselves capable of distinguishing between the relative elevated risks involved of doing 150 in a 30 zone and doing 59 in a 55.
I agree with sys for two reasons:
A. My doing so immediately undermines him
B. The consequences associated with not hurting somebody while driving with a bac of .08 or higher are draconian and asinine when compared to the consequences for driving into someone and killing them while just being an inattentive moron.
You can acknowledge the seriousness of drunk driving yet at the same time admonish the random and nonsensical nature of DUI enforcement and traffic violations in general.
Anyway as far as Hill goes, none of that is important, its an issue solely of awful judgment. He's aware of how society views drunk driving and he's aware of what public image he needs to portray to be an effective recruiter, yet he seemingly doesn't care enough to get rough ridin' car service. He's made nearly 2 million dollars in the last 5 years of his life, there are no credible excuses.
Agree with MIR here.
And I don't disagree with sys' point about relative elevated risks.
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Talk about a tangent. You gotta be pretty hard up for bbsing material when you take up the pro drunk driving talk point.
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Talk about a tangent. You gotta be pretty hard up for bbsing material when you take up the pro drunk driving talk point.
This!
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Talk about a tangent. You gotta be pretty hard up for bbsing material when you take up the pro drunk driving talk point.
This!
Good god, why do you feel the need to be the assistant coach rumor thread team mom?
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So, I take it we are so dried up on coaching leads and rumors that we've resorted to all this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^? Anybody? Anything? News on Assistant #3?
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So, I take it we are so dried up on coaching leads and rumors that we've resorted to all this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^? Anybody? Anything? News on Assistant #3?
Whoever it is, he's been allowed to recruit without restrictions for a LONG time.
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rumors that currie might have cut the assistant #3 position due to budget concerns. clams thinks it was the fiscally responsible thing to do and has no issues with it.
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So, I take it we are so dried up on coaching leads and rumors that we've resorted to all this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^? Anybody? Anything? News on Assistant #3?
Whoever it is, he's been allowed to recruit without restrictions for a LONG time.
Probably not far from the truth...I will say this though...my money is not on an Anthony Beane or oscar Shingler. I think he'll go after a young white guy. He's not going to want to alienate the athletic white kids that he goes after. We make this argument that we need these recruiters to be out there "relating" to these athletes. He already has two strong black recruiters....just a thought.
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So, I take it we are so dried up on coaching leads and rumors that we've resorted to all this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^? Anybody? Anything? News on Assistant #3?
Whoever it is, he's been allowed to recruit without restrictions for a LONG time.
Probably not far from the truth...I will say this though...my money is not on an Anthony Beane or oscar Shingler. I think he'll go after a young white guy. He's not going to want to alienate the athletic white kids that he goes after. We make this argument that we need these recruiters to be out there "relating" to these athletes. He already has two strong black recruiters....just a thought.
Korn is young, extremely white, and even a ginger. He has that part of the spectrum locked up.
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So, I take it we are so dried up on coaching leads and rumors that we've resorted to all this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^? Anybody? Anything? News on Assistant #3?
Whoever it is, he's been allowed to recruit without restrictions for a LONG time.
Probably not far from the truth...I will say this though...my money is not on an Anthony Beane or oscar Shingler. I think he'll go after a young white guy. He's not going to want to alienate the athletic white kids that he goes after. We make this argument that we need these recruiters to be out there "relating" to these athletes. He already has two strong black recruiters....just a thought.
Korn is young, extremely white, and even a ginger. He has that part of the spectrum locked up.
As far as I know Korn is just the DOBO, not an assistant therefore not allowed to recruit or build substantial relationships with these athletes until they've already started at K-State....not gonna help obtain these kids on the recruiting trail.
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wtf
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Oh man, I thought he was kidding.
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Kidding about what?
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What is wrong with you PPowercat1?
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WTF
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Well.
I suppose its good to see this thread got back to the topic of assistant coaches.
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:opcat: :clac:
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What is wrong with you PPowercat1?
Being realistic. If you knew anything about recruiting.....and especially if you want to recruit in states like KS (where the talent is limited but maybe you want to bring in a K-state kids, who do you have on the staff to relate to them?? BW alone? A 50 something white guy? On the surface that may sound harsh but name 5 HM programs out there that have all black assistants...do you really think that's a coincidence?
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What is wrong with you PPowercat1?
Being realistic. If you knew anything about recruiting.....and especially if you want to recruit in states like KS (where the talent is limited but maybe you want to bring in a K-state kids, who do you have on the staff to relate to them?? BW alone? A 50 something white guy? On the surface that may sound harsh but name 5 HM programs out there that have all black assistants...do you really think that's a coincidence?
Off the top of my head: Georgetown.
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What is wrong with you PPowercat1?
Being realistic. If you knew anything about recruiting.....and especially if you want to recruit in states like KS (where the talent is limited but maybe you want to bring in a K-state kids, who do you have on the staff to relate to them?? BW alone? A 50 something white guy? On the surface that may sound harsh but name 5 HM programs out there that have all black assistants...do you really think that's a coincidence?
Off the top of my head: Georgetown.
NOPE
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Hey 3/4 ain't bad though. :FootTappingGuy:
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Well, considering the "hooded" personal message I just received, atleast one of you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I'm NOT saying that this is how coaching and recruiting "should" be and I certainly did not say that is how I "want" it to be. I was simply pointing out the way it IS. Having a family member in the business, it is a reality in the way recruiting these kids works. So, please, no more "hoods" in my inbox.
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what in the world.
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Well, considering the "hooded" personal message I just received, atleast one of you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I'm NOT saying that this is how coaching and recruiting "should" be and I certainly did not say that is how I "want" it to be. I was simply pointing out the way it IS. Having a family member in the business, it is a reality in the way recruiting these kids works. So, please, no more "hoods" in my inbox.
:lol:
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Having a family member in the business
PPowercat0?
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Having a family member in the business
PPowercat0?
PPowercat2.0
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Having a family member in the business
PPowercat0?
PPowercat2.0
:opcat:
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I can take it...if that's what makes you feel better.
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I can take it...if that's what makes you feel better.
:lol:
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rumors that currie might have cut the assistant #3 position due to budget concerns. clams thinks it was the fiscally responsible thing to do and has no issues with it.
#butthurt
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rumors that currie might have cut the assistant #3 position due to budget concerns. clams thinks it was the fiscally responsible thing to do and has no issues with it.
#butthurt
salaries for coaches were simply unsustainable at kansas state. sorry if you don't get it. you seem lost.
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kstate ties. darren kent. rumor.
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kstate ties. darren kent. rumor.
He too is going to S.C.
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why are you so racist?
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Justin williams. rumor. not white.
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why are you so racist?
How is that racist? You obviously didn't read my previous post...."I'm NOT saying that this is how coaching and recruiting "should" be and I certainly did not say that is how I "want" it to be. I was simply pointing out the way it IS."
Again, name 5 High Major schools where this is the case and I'll eat my words.
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Just when I get to thinking that goEMAW is a bastion of progressive thought on the topic of race, then PPowercat1 comes along. This is all just...sad...really...
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Just when I get to thinking that goEMAW is a bastion of progressive thought on the topic of race, then PPowercat1 comes along. This is all just...sad...really...
Obviously it's the coaching world that is lacking progressive thought...not me. You're going to blast me for pointing out a reality? That's fine. But atleast admit to yourself that this IS the reality within these programs. Again "I'm NOT saying that this is how coaching and recruiting "should" be and I certainly did not say that is how I "want" it to be. I was simply pointing out the way it IS."
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an entire paragraph of racism that i didn't read like the last page of this thread
Mods, do we really need this type of disgusting, vile material on here? tia
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Just when I get to thinking that goEMAW is a bastion of progressive thought on the topic of race, then PPowercat1 comes along. This is all just...sad...really...
Obviously it's the coaching world that is lacking progressive thought...not me. You're going to blast me for pointing out a reality? That's fine. But atleast admit to yourself that this IS the reality within these programs. Again "I'm NOT saying that this is how coaching and recruiting "should" be and I certainly did not say that is how I "want" it to be. I was simply pointing out the way it IS."
It IS that way because of bigoted people like you. You and your good old boy networking. Keepin the white man employed at any cost. rough ridin' makes me want to rough ridin' puke. :barf: :opcat: Shame on you.
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You can't spell PPowercat1 without opcat.
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Ok. I can see that I've upset a number of you. It was not my intention to start a big convo about race...in such a negative way. I didn't mean to imply that I agree with the way things are in coaching, only to point out my guess as to who the 3rd assistant would be on this staff based on the trend across the country in HM basketball programs. That obviously touched a nerve. I can assure you that I am not a racist and the fact that it is still such a sensitive subject that we can not even talk about this reality like adults shows that indeed, we have not moved past it.
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I hate to chime in on this, but all I know is oscar weber won't find ANYONE whiter or more midwestern-y than him. so he might as well just go for another black guy.
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I hate to chime in on this, but all I know is oscar weber won't find ANYONE whiter or more midwestern-y than him. so he might as well just go for another black guy.
why get a black guy and not a asian dude?
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The last 3 pages or so of this thread belong in the Dunning-Kruger Dome.
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Hire the best effing candidate. Period.
If Weber's mind is really focused on "I need a white guy for this final spot" and not on "I need to find the most QUALIFIED candidate to help this program win as many as games possible" then we might as well just flush this crap right now.
If the most qualified candidate happens to be a white guy, so be it, sign him up.
I really don't give a crap about the racial makeup of staffs at other programs.
We're K-State. If you haven't noticed, we need all the damn help we can get. We should hire the best candidate available regardless of ethnicity.
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You can't spell PPowercat1 without opcat.
:sdeek:
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I hate to chime in on this, but all I know is oscar weber won't find ANYONE whiter or more midwestern-y than him. so he might as well just go for another black guy.
why get a black guy and not a asian dude?
asian guy would also work.
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I hate to chime in on this, but all I know is oscar weber won't find ANYONE whiter or more midwestern-y than him. so he might as well just go for another black guy.
why get a black guy and not a asian dude?
asian guy would also work.
Linpak'r
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Hey PP,
I don't want any white players on our team. They suck. I don't want them. You say we need a white coach to relate to players? What the eff does that even mean? I can only assume you believe only white players can relate to white coaches. You think we need more white players? Why?
Arguing that successful programs have at least one white coach? There is no rough ridin' correlation. It's a bullshit argument to hide behind and in no way makes you less :opcat:
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Hey PP,
I don't want any white players on our team. They suck. I don't want them. You say we need a white coach to relate to players? What the eff does that even mean? I can only assume you believe only white players can relate to white coaches. You think we need more white players? Why?
Arguing that successful programs have at least one white coach? There is no rough ridin' correlation. It's a bullshit argument to hide behind and in no way makes you less :opcat:
All right, let's just get everything out in the open. But first let me answer your questions. Not all white athletes suck, not all black athletes are good....but the majority of these HM teams are made up of some pretty bad ass black athletes who tend to be recruited by and trust other black men they can relate to....hence the reason HM programs like to have bad ass black recruiters on their staff. Why would it be any different for a white athlete? Ask any HM coach....any LM or JC coach for that matter. Further, no, I did not say we need more white players. Great players (black, white, asian, hispanic and everything in between...just great players). Do you not think that it was a coincidence that we have had more hispanic players on our team these last five years than in past history because they were recruited by a coach that they could relate to at their home away from home (k-State)?
Obviously, you all want to take what I've stated and use it spew your own agendas and call me a racist and a bigot...when in truth you don't know anything about me (which isn't fair.) So here is the truth. The reason I know these things to be a reality in coaching is because I'm married to a coach (in a lower capacity than a HM school like K-State...and he is black...and he will tell you the same things I have just said.
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a screed that belongs on stormfront.org
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i called it, the racist is a black woman
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i called it, the racist is a black woman
Racist and misandrist I bet. :shakesfist: Hating people based on the color of their penis is not cool.
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i called it, the racist is a black woman
Racist and misandrist I bet. :shakesfist: Hating people based on the color of their penis is not cool.
Agreed. You can hate on the size, but not the color. So wrong. :nono:
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I thought there were going to be a couple of interviews this week? WTF? I am sure someone can tell me of another situation where it took so long to assemble a coaching staff, so please do. This is effing stupid.
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I thought there were going to be a couple of interviews this week? WTF? I am sure someone can tell me of another situation where it took so long to assemble a coaching staff, so please do. This is effing stupid.
Is Pioli running the show? If not, I bet he is sitting in his office giving the slow clap to Currie and Weber.
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It's only fitting that FSD started this piece of crap thread about this piece of crap staff and that it's still going. Piece of crap.
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frank mumped us so hard in coaching circles that no one wants to touch coaching jobs under currie
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frank mumped us so hard in coaching circles that no one wants to touch coaching jobs under currie
Frank effed us or Currie effed us?
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frank mumped us so hard in coaching circles that no one wants to touch coaching jobs under currie
Frank effed us or Currie effed us?
Both, but mainly Frank.
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frank mumped us so hard in coaching circles that no one wants to touch coaching jobs under currie
Frank effed us or Currie effed us?
Both, but mainly Frank.
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frank mumped us so hard in coaching circles that no one wants to touch coaching jobs under currie
Frank effed us or Currie effed us?
what are you insinuating d-tron? let's cut to the chase here, nothing bugs me more than some butthurt frankite slanging wild accusations without substance. we need substance, here's your chance.
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"We're puttin' the band back together"...."Yeah"...."We're on a mission from God"
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http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/051512aaa.html
Well there ya go.
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Still missing an AC, right?
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Still missing an AC, right?
Nope, in tough economic times, Johnny C. has decided to forgo the third AC.
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oscar Shingler (Morgan State assistant) was offered the developmental position that was once held by Doug Edwards at K-State. He declined the offer.
He's a finalist for a full-time assistant job at another low major (Towson).
I'm shocked Currie signed off on even offering whatever the eff a "developmental position" is to oscar
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Chester Frazier will be our next assistant. Already accepted. Playing in Germany and as soon as his season is over he will be announced which is soon. Good ties to Baltimore area/aau. East coast ties. Was weber's video coordinator for two years at Illinois.
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I really like the Chester Frazier hire if true. Young. ND Prep. Looks like this:
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Holy crap! :excited: :love:
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from april...
Former Illini guard Chester Frazier helped check on Kansas State guard Rodney McGruder’s status with the team before Weber moved on the job. McGruder is a returning third-team all-Big 12 pick from Washington, D.C.
http://www.sj-r.com/blogs/illinitalk/x383285274/An-allowance-the-Masters-and-Chester-Frazier
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Him playing in Germany now tells me that there was literally no one in the USA that would take the job.
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He's a family man. F.O.E.
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cassidy says its official.
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cassidy says its official.
if you want to start the official welcome thread, i can't wait to post in it.
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cassidy says its official.
if you want to start the official welcome thread, i can't wait to post in it.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=21128.0
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best hire by far
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Adoracats took a huge stride today
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I like this hire. He'll be great with the mothers of our recruits.
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Good hire
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Him playing in Germany now tells me that there was literally no one in the USA that would take the job.
i think you know what it says about them both.
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Chet is rough ridin' awesome. He was a warrior as a player, plus he's from Baltimore. Outside of Howard at Illinois, probably the best AC hire Weber has ever made. That he went with Frazier and not Jay Price is a very good sign for KSU.
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Chet is rough ridin' awesome. He was a warrior as a player, plus he's from Baltimore. Outside of Howard at Illinois, probably the best AC hire Weber has ever made. That he went with Frazier and not Jay Price is a very good sign for KSU.
I appreciate that I can call him Chet. Reminds me of Weird Science.
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Him playing in Germany now tells me that there was literally no one in the USA that would take the job.
i think you know what it says about them both.
It's a bit misleading. Chet actually consumes racism as a form of sustenance. Nazi hatred only makes his powers grow. That's why he and Weber make such a great team. It's symbiotic.
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Chet is rough ridin' awesome. He was a warrior as a player, plus he's from Baltimore. Outside of Howard at Illinois, probably the best AC hire Weber has ever made. That he went with Frazier and not Jay Price is a very good sign for KSU.
I appreciate some honest positive comments from an Illinois fan.
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Chet is rough ridin' awesome. He was a warrior as a player, plus he's from Baltimore. Outside of Howard at Illinois, probably the best AC hire Weber has ever made. That he went with Frazier and not Jay Price is a very good sign for KSU.
:thumbs:
The fact that he took a hard line on Price makes me somewhat optimistic.
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@AdamZagoria:
Former Texas standout Terrence Rencher has been named an assistant men's basketball coach at Sam Houston State University
We looked at this guy :barf:
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This thread is a good read. Rumors that is going to start back up....
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:popcorn:
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:zzz:
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Ugh
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can they not fit Lowry through the door into Bramlage anymore?
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Hopeful guess: We're replacing Price as S&C coach
Realistic guess: We're replacing Alvin Brooks
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Darren Kent for S&C
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Darren Kent for S&C
Literally anybody for S&C.
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what's the deal with blaming the S&C guy? I feel like wanting the S&C guy gone is just a passive aggressive shot at wanting oscar gone.
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Obviously we were spoiled with Greenawalt but we have been lacking in the S&C department, as was Illinois when oscar was there with whatever his name is.
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I dunno. Greenwalt was great and everything – but he’s at SoCar right now, not sure if he’s the secret elixsor. IIRC, Prince’s S&C guy got blamed for a lot of stuff too. And KU’s S&C guy, who we have now, is apparently why KSU football is good and KU is awful.
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I dunno. Greenwalt was great and everything – but he’s at SoCar right now, not sure if he’s the secret elixsor. IIRC, Prince’s S&C guy got blamed for a lot of stuff too. And KU’s S&C guy, who we have now, is apparently why KSU football is good and KU is awful.
It's unenjoyable watching a bad basketball team be out of shape and generally much wimpier looking than the other team. I don't think being in better shape or stronger would make us a ton better at basketball, but it'd be one less thing to feel bad about.
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I dunno. Greenwalt was great and everything – but he’s at SoCar right now, not sure if he’s the secret elixsor. IIRC, Prince’s S&C guy got blamed for a lot of stuff too. And KU’s S&C guy, who we have now, is apparently why KSU football is good and KU is awful.
We never blamed KU's S&C guy. He was the reason the Fat Man took their team to the Orange bowl. It was a blessing, since our good S&C guy left for A&M years ago.
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Can confirm that Price is a bit of a nut job. He has the WWE wrestler type of personality.
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I dunno. Greenwalt was great and everything – but he’s at SoCar right now, not sure if he’s the secret elixsor. IIRC, Prince’s S&C guy got blamed for a lot of stuff too. And KU’s S&C guy, who we have now, is apparently why KSU football is good and KU is awful.
We never blamed KU's S&C guy. He was the reason the Fat Man took their team to the Orange bowl. It was a blessing, since our good S&C guy left for A&M years ago.
Lots of our fans blamed '04 and '05 on Rod Cole's antiquated S&C program.
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I dunno. Greenwalt was great and everything – but he’s at SoCar right now, not sure if he’s the secret elixsor. IIRC, Prince’s S&C guy got blamed for a lot of stuff too. And KU’s S&C guy, who we have now, is apparently why KSU football is good and KU is awful.
We never blamed KU's S&C guy. He was the reason the Fat Man took their team to the Orange bowl. It was a blessing, since our good S&C guy left for A&M years ago.
KU went to the Orange Bowl because they had good players and a good coaching staff and never had to play anyone except MU (which they lost). KSU wins because of the same thing, except it doesn't/can't duck anyone in conference. Dawson was still there when Mangino got fired after collapsing in 2009. Dawson was there when KU wasn't really good in 02, 04, 06. I mean, you think Gill had nothing to do with KU sucking? It was just Dawson leaving? Price was there for oscar's entire tenure at Illinois, including the really successful ones at the beginning. The S&C hate is misdirected. Direct it entirely towards oscar. oscar is the reason.
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I dunno. Greenwalt was great and everything – but he’s at SoCar right now, not sure if he’s the secret elixsor. IIRC, Prince’s S&C guy got blamed for a lot of stuff too. And KU’s S&C guy, who we have now, is apparently why KSU football is good and KU is awful.
We never blamed KU's S&C guy. He was the reason the Fat Man took their team to the Orange bowl. It was a blessing, since our good S&C guy left for A&M years ago.
KU went to the Orange Bowl because they had good players and a good coaching staff and never had to play anyone except MU (which they lost). KSU wins because of the same thing, except it doesn't/can't duck anyone in conference. Dawson was still there when Mangino got fired after collapsing in 2009. Dawson was there when KU wasn't really good in 02, 04, 06. I mean, you think Gill had nothing to do with KU sucking? It was just Dawson leaving? Price was there for oscar's entire tenure at Illinois, including the really successful ones at the beginning. The S&C hate is misdirected. Direct it entirely towards oscar. oscar is the reason.
Both Cole and Dawson won national awards for S&C excellence.
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The way I understand it, the coaches let the S&C guy know what they want guys to be like and then S&C designs systems for them.
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We used to do a lot more photo ops/instagram propaganda with bball players doing insane workouts. We don't do those any more. This is the only metric through which I evaluate our S&C. I've thought the football S&C has sucked since we stopped oiling up dudes barechested for the Powercat Lift records poster.
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Hopeful guess: We're replacing Price as S&C coach
Realistic guess: We're replacing Alvin Brooks
I think we should hope for both. Brooks had the TCU scouts this year, assuming tech also. I know that is a big jump in logic, but in the last two years he has only landed xWhomper for Texas. That is what he was brought in for. Having a bad offseason has a lot to do with the S & C conditioning coach. I don't think their is a single element of his job he has done well.
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Brooks is pretty much the only reason we have Foster, right?
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Brooks is pretty much the only reason we have Foster, right?
Lead recruiter, but I don't think he did anything special to land him.
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Arguing about whether we should fire S&C coaches or 4th string asst coaches is really sad. Makes me hate oscar all the more.
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I dunno. Greenwalt was great and everything – but he’s at SoCar right now, not sure if he’s the secret elixsor. IIRC, Prince’s S&C guy got blamed for a lot of stuff too. And KU’s S&C guy, who we have now, is apparently why KSU football is good and KU is awful.
We never blamed KU's S&C guy. He was the reason the Fat Man took their team to the Orange bowl. It was a blessing, since our good S&C guy left for A&M years ago.
KU went to the Orange Bowl because they had good players and a good coaching staff and never had to play anyone except MU (which they lost). KSU wins because of the same thing, except it doesn't/can't duck anyone in conference. Dawson was still there when Mangino got fired after collapsing in 2009. Dawson was there when KU wasn't really good in 02, 04, 06. I mean, you think Gill had nothing to do with KU sucking? It was just Dawson leaving? Price was there for oscar's entire tenure at Illinois, including the really successful ones at the beginning. The S&C hate is misdirected. Direct it entirely towards oscar. oscar is the reason.
Both Cole and Dawson won national awards for S&C excellence.
And Cole was here when we went from a Conference Championship to last in the worst big 12 north division, like, twice. And Dawson was at KU when they had crap seasons.
It's oscar. Not Price. If we want to solve the problem about why the players aren't tough or whatever, then fire oscar. Problem solved.
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Arguing about whether we should fire S&C coaches or 4th string asst coaches is really sad. Makes me hate oscar all the more.
QFT. Firing one of those types of guys is such a pathetic effort.
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I dunno. Greenwalt was great and everything – but he’s at SoCar right now, not sure if he’s the secret elixsor. IIRC, Prince’s S&C guy got blamed for a lot of stuff too. And KU’s S&C guy, who we have now, is apparently why KSU football is good and KU is awful.
We never blamed KU's S&C guy. He was the reason the Fat Man took their team to the Orange bowl. It was a blessing, since our good S&C guy left for A&M years ago.
KU went to the Orange Bowl because they had good players and a good coaching staff and never had to play anyone except MU (which they lost). KSU wins because of the same thing, except it doesn't/can't duck anyone in conference. Dawson was still there when Mangino got fired after collapsing in 2009. Dawson was there when KU wasn't really good in 02, 04, 06. I mean, you think Gill had nothing to do with KU sucking? It was just Dawson leaving? Price was there for oscar's entire tenure at Illinois, including the really successful ones at the beginning. The S&C hate is misdirected. Direct it entirely towards oscar. oscar is the reason.
Both Cole and Dawson won national awards for S&C excellence.
And Cole was here when we went from a Conference Championship to last in the worst big 12 north division, like, twice. And Dawson was at KU when they had crap seasons.
It's oscar. Not Price. If we want to solve the problem about why the players aren't tough or whatever, then fire oscar. Problem solved.
It is fair to stay that not all S&C coaches are equal quality. oscar is not getting fired, if he believes that the S&C coach has been sub-par he should replace him. It isn't like there is just one problem.
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there actually is just one problem. You idiots that mention the S&C guy or an assistant…I mean, that narrative ….that brucexcuses narrative is how it starts. Fire the assistants? And bring in who? Someone who’ll bring in a freshman who’ll make 2nd team All Big 12? Well, we had that. Jesus. It’s oscar. Don’t make brucexcuses for him. He makes enough already.
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Arguing about whether we should fire S&C coaches or 4th string asst coaches is really sad. Makes me hate oscar all the more.
No joke.......the whole freakin coaching staff should be feeling their a**'s on fire from the scalding flames from the HOT SEAT!!!!!!!!!!! :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
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The only reason to get rid of a coach now is if you can bring in another one that comes with a couple 4 stars. Otherwise it's just masking the symptoms.
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:Wha:
there actually is just one problem. You idiots that mention the S&C guy or an assistant…I mean, that narrative ….that brucexcuses narrative is how it starts. Fire the assistants? And bring in who? Someone who’ll bring in a freshman who’ll make 2nd team All Big 12? Well, we had that. Jesus. It’s oscar. Don’t make brucexcuses for him. He makes enough already.
Making a coaching change would be the farthest thing away from an excuse.
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Also, if a coach is just leaving, who cares. It happens all the time in coaching.
I think people would only really care one way or another if oscar is firing someone, which really doesn't make sense at this point.
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We need to hire a steroid sales consultant as our S&C
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The only reason to get rid of a coach now is if you can bring in another one that comes with a couple 4 stars. Otherwise it's just masking the symptoms.
Everyone is saying this. He either succeeds or fails next year and everything else is part of the oscar Excuse Train.
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The only reason to get rid of a coach now is if you can bring in another one that comes with a couple 4 stars. Otherwise it's just masking the symptoms.
Everyone is saying this. He either succeeds or fails next year and everything else is part of the oscar Excuse Train.
He can change all assists out and no one will take another year of crap because of it.
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Who has Lowery recruited? If any assistant should be fired, it's him.
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Who has Lowery recruited? If any assistant should be fired, it's him.
Malek, DJamer, Hurt and Wade.
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Who has Lowery recruited? If any assistant should be fired, it's him.
Malek, DJamer, Hurt and Wade.
:lol:
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there actually is just one problem. You idiots that mention the S&C guy or an assistant…I mean, that narrative ….that brucexcuses narrative is how it starts. Fire the assistants? And bring in who? Someone who’ll bring in a freshman who’ll make 2nd team All Big 12? Well, we had that. Jesus. It’s oscar. Don’t make brucexcuses for him. He makes enough already.
I want to be very clear that I'm not passively aggressively wanting oscar gone. I've been very vocal about wanting him gone.
I just think removing Price is low hanging fruit, especially because the team seemed unable to physically handle Big 12 play.
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Also, if a coach is just leaving, who cares. It happens all the time in coaching.
I think people would only really care one way or another if oscar is firing someone, which really doesn't make sense at this point.
oscar firing someone signals that he's probably feeling the heat to make a change.
Which, honestly, would be a positive development because it means we care enough to tell him to shake things up or he's next.
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Also, if a coach is just leaving, who cares. It happens all the time in coaching.
I think people would only really care one way or another if oscar is firing someone, which really doesn't make sense at this point.
oscar firing someone signals that he's probably feeling the heat to make a change.
Which, honestly, would be a positive development because it means we care enough to tell him to shake things up or he's next.
Or it's him proactively scapegoating, not that he needs to.
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Also, if a coach is just leaving, who cares. It happens all the time in coaching.
I think people would only really care one way or another if oscar is firing someone, which really doesn't make sense at this point.
oscar firing someone signals that he's probably feeling the heat to make a change.
Which, honestly, would be a positive development because it means we care enough to tell him to shake things up or he's next.
His seat is ice cold. It might heat up slightly next year if we miss NCAA again.
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If next yr I'd like this yr, the following yr will see hardly any ticket sales and bargain basement prices.
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His seat is ice cold. It might heat up slightly next year if we miss NCAA again.
While it oscar's seat may not be really warm, Currie has to be looking at the situation with caution because of how everything transpired. A down year where you lose a bunch of people and are truly rebuilding is one thing, but if anything that was last year and oscar handled it well. The turmoil of this year is a different matter and if there is a repeat next year oscar will be in serious trouble IMO.
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If his 16-17 campaign doesn't result in a tournament appearance after 2 back to back non ncaa seasons I could see him being fired. Right now he is :sleepykitten:
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that dipshit will schedule his way to the NIT or whatever next year and all will be cool and the gang.
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This thread is a good read. Rumors that is going to start back up....
I can't believe I started this thread. I have no rough ridin' clue who our assistants are ever.
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Welp, it appears that the infamous K-State sports coverage "cone of silence" has solidly been implemented, preventing any and all basketball related news from being reported with the exception of the Manhattan Mercury.
I realize FITZ and staff are sitting on this info, but it's perplexing that there isn't anything credible whatsoever pertaining to the final two staff members and the timeline?
In other news, D_Scott broke the story that Sean Lowe is a contestant on The Bachelorette.
Sean Lowe on Billion Dollar Buyer. Where does it end?
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his wife has a collar and leash on the poor bastard.
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Whisker, please explain more.fully.
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Whisker, please explain more.fully.
He is commenting on America's favorite former bachelor and EMAW Stud Sean Lowe.
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apparently married some dominatrix on some reality show then she drags him thru a cuckolding segment on Billionaire Buyer (CNBC) where Tilman Feritita makes them both wealthy beyond their wildest dreams by purchasing $21,000 worth of overpriced stationary from her company.
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We need an assistant coach who can recruit good big men and coach them up. Cornboy is not getting the job done
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apparently married some dominatrix on some reality show then she drags him thru a cuckolding segment on Billionaire Buyer (CNBC) where Tilman Feritita makes them both wealthy beyond their wildest dreams by purchasing $21,000 worth of overpriced stationary from her company.
i like you, weird guy
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current rumblings:
Ulric Maligi from Texas :love:
Jareem Dowling from UNT :love:
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current rumblings:
Ulric Maligi from Texas :love:
Jareem Dowling from UNT :love:
might want to proofread that tweet but those hashtags :love:
https://twitter.com/Coachreem4ever/status/1506007877693030400
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#everylittletangwillbealright
:dubious:
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:love:
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I don't know any of these shootyball coaches, but i'm pumped you guys are excited about them being potential Cat coaches. :Woot:
Also, do you think Real or Fake Sugardick is still around/alive? I wonder what he is up to?
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there were some people suggesting Ulric as a head coach candidate due to his recruiting prowess.
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Should be public what his staff looks like by Friday I think. New additions to the roster and departures to follow quickly after.
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current rumblings:
Ulric Maligi from Texas :love:
Jareem Dowling from UNT :love:
might want to proofread that tweet but those hashtags :love:
https://twitter.com/Coachreem4ever/status/1506007877693030400
i think married is the correct verb for the officiant performing the marriage of two people :dunno:
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I don't know any of these shootyball coaches, but i'm pumped you guys are excited about them being potential Cat coaches. :Woot:
Also, do you think Real or Fake Sugardick is still around/alive? I wonder what he is up to?
Looking at their bios we should REALLY pray for Ulric, he’s a home run
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#everylittletangwillbealright
:dubious:
Elite Bob Marley - Three Little Birds reference
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Hear Ulric is all but a done deal :emawkid:
we gonna get some dudes dudes
corvette corvette
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Hear Ulric is all but a done deal :emawkid:
we gonna get some dudes dudes
corvette corvette
Just saw he was an assistant Beard brought over from Tech. That would be such an elite steal for us.
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I don't know any of these shootyball coaches, but i'm pumped you guys are excited about them being potential Cat coaches. :Woot:
Also, do you think Real or Fake Sugardick is still around/alive? I wonder what he is up to?
Looking at their bios we should REALLY pray for Ulric, he’s a home run
We may not win at an elite level but it won’t be because we don’t have good players. That part seems pretty clear now.
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Ulric, Jareem...who will be number three? My best guess:
BRAD KORN
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Ulric :Woohoo:
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Ulric, Jareem...who will be number three? My best guess:
BRAD KORN
probably steal someone from ku
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does popovich retire and come to ksu to recruit under JT?
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current rumblings:
Ulric Maligi from Texas :love:
Jareem Dowling from UNT :love:
might want to proofread that tweet but those hashtags :love:
https://twitter.com/Coachreem4ever/status/1506007877693030400
Am I missing something?
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"that married me" i think
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Tang is a minister. Maybe he thinks Virgin Islander means something else?
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https://baylorbears.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/aditya-malhotra/1761
https://alcornsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/marco-borne/424
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https://baylorbears.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/aditya-malhotra/1761
https://alcornsports.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/marco-borne/424
might as well snag alvin brooks if we are going to take someone from baylor
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Tang is a minister. Maybe he thinks Virgin Islander means something else?
It reads as if Tang got married to him and also got married to his wife. I know what he meant lol
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https://twitter.com/Coachreem4ever/status/1506724082049593352?s=20&t=p8yXHhph3YLlblvUaBHZbg
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#everylittletangwillbealright
:dubious:
Elite Bob Marley - Three Little Birds reference
LOL it's close at least!
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:Wha:
https://twitter.com/InsideTexas/status/1506725154423988230
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guys
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https://youtu.be/BtEjqIaiX-o?t=755
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What's been the strength and conditioning philosophy at Baylor? Didn't see much out of the last regime in that regard. Not much reason to keep either Bradford or Massoud around if they don't commit to physical changes.
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haven’t felt these feels in a while
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:Wha:
https://twitter.com/InsideTexas/status/1506725154423988230
Beat me to it!
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If you've already signed with a team for 2022, can you be released from it? Because:
https://247sports.com/college/texas/Season/2022-Basketball/Commits/
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We are going to get so many dudes and kick so much ass.
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This is the greatest day in Kansas state basketball history
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New GRCOAT incoming? Likely.
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Good god Jerome Tang has brought a huge wave of old posters back, this is amazing.
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I made the argument so many times in recent years that we needed someone who knew how to build a program. Never in my wildest fantasy did I envision this.
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I have no idea who that guy is either, but I'm very excited that you guys are really excited. :billdance: I might watch a bit of hoops again next year. :gocho:
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I'm excited.
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poaching top assistants from texas like wtf is happening
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he was making $400,000 at texas fwiw
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I made the argument so many times in recent years that we needed someone who knew how to build a program. Never in my wildest fantasy did I envision this.
Yeah, I don't think any of us expected elite level stuff.
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Do your guys think tang took less of a salary so he could go out and get a staff like this? If so then thumbs up because 2.1 mil/year vs 3.0/year isn’t a big deal money wise if 2.1 means that you can go hire a staff of friends and people you know that also kick major ass.
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Do your guys think tang took less of a salary so he could go out and get a staff like this? If so then thumbs up because 2.1 mil/year vs 3.0/year isn’t a big deal money wise if 2.1 means that you can go hire a staff of friends and people you know that also kick major ass.
Pretty smart for job security
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Do your guys think tang took less of a salary so he could go out and get a staff like this? If so then thumbs up because 2.1 mil/year vs 3.0/year isn’t a big deal money wise if 2.1 means that you can go hire a staff of friends and people you know that also kick major ass.
Pretty smart for job security
And for just overall kicking ass, taking names and having fun
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I'm excited.
Hi AJ! How are you today?
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This for real couldn’t have gone any better so far besides grcoat (which didn’t fully pan out either). Grcoat was just silly though, beas/walker/mayo/pope + 4 star scraps.
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I'm excited.
Hi AJ! How are you today?
Strong to quite strong.
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I completely forgot the name herb pope. Decided to see what he’s up to. :frown:
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2019/05/15/herb-pope-basketball-bank-robbery-sentenced-aliquippa/stories/201905150103
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I am 100% in support of all of this, but do we have any reports of dudes yet? I don't know that we do. We have a lot of reason for recruiting optimism, and that alone is more than what we have had since Frank left.
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I mean, we have zero ms paint photoshops of lasers eyes or anything at this point.
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oscar was such a massive comedown after the amazingness of the Huggie/Frank years. Even when they were good, the excitement level just wasn't the same. I'm ready to have fun again. I'm ready to be angry again.
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Dowling… should we be excited? Talk to me
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poaching top assistants from texas like wtf is happening
Promotion to associate head coach a big deal!
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Dowling… should we be excited? Talk to me
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbQ0SAZLQ91/?
I found the answer.
(Does Instagram not work around here)
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What a time to be Cats fan
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Do your guys think tang took less of a salary so he could go out and get a staff like this? If so then thumbs up because 2.1 mil/year vs 3.0/year isn’t a big deal money wise if 2.1 means that you can go hire a staff of friends and people you know that also kick major ass.
hoping the savings is for overpaying his Delonte for some alleged funnel action like the alleged old days, allegedly.
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Dude probably wanted to work with a coach who didn't run off the players he worked so hard to recruit.
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oscar was such a massive comedown after the amazingness of the Huggie/Frank years. Even when they were good, the excitement level just wasn't the same. I'm ready to have fun again. I'm ready to be angry again.
This brings up something I was thinking about earlier. How can Cat fans be "The Angriest in America" when Coach Tang seems so happy all the time?
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oscar was such a massive comedown after the amazingness of the Huggie/Frank years. Even when they were good, the excitement level just wasn't the same. I'm ready to have fun again. I'm ready to be angry again.
This brings up something I was thinking about earlier. How can Cat fans be "The Angriest in America" when Coach Tang seems so happy all the time?
What if instead KSU fans pivot to be the most unsettling polite fan base. I think teams would have just as tough a time playing in an arena full of chick fil a employees yelling at the top of their lungs “DO YOUR BEST” and “GIVE GOD THE GLORY”
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The humblest fan base in America.
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The humblest fan base in America.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIpbYyR0OOI&ab_channel=thelonelyisland
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This is insane, never seen anything like it.
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I think we are going to beat everyone's asses often enough that we will be able to stand up and give a standing applause to the teams that manage to keep the score within 10 points as they walk off the court.
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Do your guys think tang took less of a salary so he could go out and get a staff like this? If so then thumbs up because 2.1 mil/year vs 3.0/year isn’t a big deal money wise if 2.1 means that you can go hire a staff of friends and people you know that also kick major ass.
Yea for sure this is what he did. He also knows when he puts together a string of really solid years in the first part of his contract he’s going to get a fat raise and extension.
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This is insane, never seen anything like it.
Quick point of parliamentary procedure here....we have indeed seen way better as a matter of fact. Having said that, we will allow this to proceed.
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I'm so excited and I really don't even like basketball. :driving:
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This is insane, never seen anything like it.
Quick point of parliamentary procedure here....we have indeed seen way better as a matter of fact. Having said that, we will allow this to proceed.
I mean it's debatable, which is insane. Tang is exciting but these assistant pulls are beyond elite.
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No team has ever been assembled (any sport) with a group of coaches this elite. WOW!
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I would also like to applaud our main guy Kurtz for this
https://twitter.com/jlkurtz/status/1506803933204959234
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This is insane, never seen anything like it.
Quick point of parliamentary procedure here....we have indeed seen way better as a matter of fact. Having said that, we will allow this to proceed.
I mean it's debatable, which is insane. Tang is exciting but these assistant pulls are beyond elite.
When Huggins was hired it was crazy we were getting Bill Walker. Then when Dalonte was hired and we all knew we were getting Beasley.... :bball:
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I’m 100% back as a KSU Hoops fan and I couldn’t be more excited
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Nobody asked you
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:lol:
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#1cat dumbass
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What's been the strength and conditioning philosophy at Baylor? Didn't see much out of the last regime in that regard. Not much reason to keep either Bradford or Massoud around if they don't commit to physical changes.
Massoud definitely isn't going anywhere and hopefully Bradford isn't either.
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What's been the strength and conditioning philosophy at Baylor? Didn't see much out of the last regime in that regard. Not much reason to keep either Bradford or Massoud around if they don't commit to physical changes.
Massoud definitely isn't going anywhere and hopefully Bradford isn't either.
Agreed!
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Do your guys think tang took less of a salary so he could go out and get a staff like this? If so then thumbs up because 2.1 mil/year vs 3.0/year isn’t a big deal money wise if 2.1 means that you can go hire a staff of friends and people you know that also kick major ass.
I also wonder if when the key Ahearn Fund donors mobilized to make an offer for Brad, Gene was able to convince them to kick a little to Jerome so he can go get some guys who will get guys.
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Article on ulric leaving texas
https://www.burntorangenation.com/2022/3/23/22993519/ulric-maligi-kansas-state-wildcats-jerome-tang-texas-longhorns
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Article on ulric leaving texas
https://www.burntorangenation.com/2022/3/23/22993519/ulric-maligi-kansas-state-wildcats-jerome-tang-texas-longhorns
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Literally horned up from this article.
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Jareem Dowling will be on the staff
https://dentonrc.com/sports/source-unt-assistant-coach-jareem-dowling-set-to-join-staff-at-kansas-state/article_33832a6e-fc31-5a94-a6a7-a51d3d794ec9.html
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(https://i.imgur.com/OmRIfDS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6qLwfMh.jpg)
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Pinch me, this must be a Jareem.
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What's been the strength and conditioning philosophy at Baylor? Didn't see much out of the last regime in that regard. Not much reason to keep either Bradford or Massoud around if they don't commit to physical changes.
Massoud definitely isn't going anywhere and hopefully Bradford isn't either.
Agreed!
If this staff can't upgrade from Massoud, there's a lot of misplaced optimism around here.
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Hey buddy, quit raining on our parade.
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I'm not sure I've ever followed assistant coach movements, but nabbing assistants from Chris Beard and that other guy who was in the mix to hire as HC seem like good gets. Especially when both are known as good recruiters!
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What's been the strength and conditioning philosophy at Baylor? Didn't see much out of the last regime in that regard. Not much reason to keep either Bradford or Massoud around if they don't commit to physical changes.
Massoud definitely isn't going anywhere and hopefully Bradford isn't either.
Agreed!
If this staff can't upgrade from Massoud, there's a lot of misplaced optimism around here.
Jesus Christ, he's a 6'8" guard who averaged 7 PPG and shot 33% from the three point line, he's clearly a high major player. He's already used his free transfer. If Tang kicks a high major player on the streets without the ability to get a scholarship because he feels like he can't get anything out of a player who has averaged 7 points a game over three years in high major college basketball, then I'll lose my crap.
If Massoud decides to leave on his own, then that's fine, but he won't leave on his own. I promise you that there were players on his roster at Baylor every single year far worse than Massoud. There aren't that many good players.
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I'm not sure I've ever followed assistant coach movements, but nabbing assistants from Chris Beard and that other guy who was in the mix to hire as HC seem like good gets. Especially when both are known as good recruiters!
Guard? He was a rough ridin' forward who didn't know WTF a rebund was, couldn't defend and took hundreds of bad shots. He sucks. Move his worthless ass on.
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I'm not sure I've ever followed assistant coach movements, but nabbing assistants from Chris Beard and that other guy who was in the mix to hire as HC seem like good gets. Especially when both are known as good recruiters!
Guard? He was a rough ridin' forward who didn't know WTF a rebund was, couldn't defend and took hundreds of bad shots. He sucks. Move his worthless ass on.
get lost
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So, can we still keep Shane?
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I'm not sure I've ever followed assistant coach movements, but nabbing assistants from Chris Beard and that other guy who was in the mix to hire as HC seem like good gets. Especially when both are known as good recruiters!
Guard? He was a rough ridin' forward who didn't know WTF a rebund was, couldn't defend and took hundreds of bad shots. He sucks. Move his worthless ass on.
get lost
His dumb ass replied to the wrong post, he meant to reply to my post about Massoud. Shouldn't be surprised that he's still managing to be constantly crying about something.
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So, can we still keep Shane?
He will likely not be retained
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I also wonder if when the key Ahearn Fund donors mobilized to make an offer for Brad, Gene was able to convince them to kick a little to Jerome so he can go get some guys dudeswho will get guys dudes.
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Time to add steel drums to the band.
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I'm not sure I've ever followed assistant coach movements, but nabbing assistants from Chris Beard and that other guy who was in the mix to hire as HC seem like good gets. Especially when both are known as good recruiters!
Guard? He was a rough ridin' forward who didn't know WTF a rebund was, couldn't defend and took hundreds of bad shots. He sucks. Move his worthless ass on.
get lost
His dumb ass replied to the wrong post, he meant to reply to my post about Massoud. Shouldn't be surprised that he's still managing to be constantly crying about something.
Well I was "crying" for years that we rid ourselves of the losery staff while you were an effing ping pong ball on Oscar. If indeed Shane isn't retained. something I leave to Tang's wisdom, there is less chance the losery Massoud will be around either.
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Stop
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massoud wasn't a worldbeater and he certainly isn't irreplaceable, imo. but he's a competent piece. there are certainly players currently on the roster that are worse than him if we got to pick and choose roster attrition.
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Do your guys think tang took less of a salary so he could go out and get a staff like this? If so then thumbs up because 2.1 mil/year vs 3.0/year isn’t a big deal money wise if 2.1 means that you can go hire a staff of friends and people you know that also kick major ass.
I also wonder if when the key Ahearn Fund donors mobilized to make an offer for Brad, Gene was able to convince them to kick a little to Jerome so he can go get some guys who will get guys.
Hopefully. I have heard a few times in various places that big money kstate donors either are or will be shifting from facilities to salaries which would be great. Overall, our crap is really pretty nice now. Time to give basketball and football more money for staff.
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I'm not sure I've ever followed assistant coach movements, but nabbing assistants from Chris Beard and that other guy who was in the mix to hire as HC seem like good gets. Especially when both are known as good recruiters!
Guard? He was a rough ridin' forward who didn't know WTF a rebund was, couldn't defend and took hundreds of bad shots. He sucks. Move his worthless ass on.
get lost
His dumb ass replied to the wrong post, he meant to reply to my post about Massoud. Shouldn't be surprised that he's still managing to be constantly crying about something.
Well I was "crying" for years that we rid ourselves of the losery staff while you were an effing ping pong ball on Oscar. If indeed Shane isn't retained. something I leave to Tang's wisdom, there is less chance the losery Massoud will be around either.
I don't even know what being a ping pong ball on oscar even means. Does that mean I was happy when we were winning and not happy when we were losing? Guilty, lol.
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Do your guys think tang took less of a salary so he could go out and get a staff like this? If so then thumbs up because 2.1 mil/year vs 3.0/year isn’t a big deal money wise if 2.1 means that you can go hire a staff of friends and people you know that also kick major ass.
I also wonder if when the key Ahearn Fund donors mobilized to make an offer for Brad, Gene was able to convince them to kick a little to Jerome so he can go get some guys who will get guys.
Hopefully. I have heard a few times in various places that big money kstate donors either are or will be shifting from facilities to salaries which would be great. Overall, our crap is really pretty nice now. Time to give basketball and football more money for staff.
Well if that's the case, unfortunately, that will be at the peril of the basketball program because Bramlage is the last thing on the initial master plan that isn't either done or currently under construction. If we found the money to make Brad an offer, the money should be there to pay the coaches and get Bramlage done.
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massoud wasn't a worldbeater and he certainly isn't irreplaceable, imo. but he's a competent piece. there are certainly players currently on the roster that are worse than him if we got to pick and choose roster attrition.
Agreed. Massoud would be good in a 6th man role, he can catch fire sometimes.
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massoud wasn't a worldbeater and he certainly isn't irreplaceable, imo. but he's a competent piece. there are certainly players currently on the roster that are worse than him if we got to pick and choose roster attrition.
Agreed. Massoud would be good in a 6th man role, he can catch fire so
metimes.
He is the poster child of a lazy, selfish player. He can't or won't defend or rebound. He racked up, count them, 10 assists this season. 10! I don't think a competent staff would view him as about winning.
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:rolleyes:
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:rolleyes:
You really have to be the most boring, mousy person I've ever ran across.
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He’s a shooting guard not a passing guard
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Obviously.
And what is this "guard" crap? He is at most a wing. And his shooting efficiency, which greatly benefitted fro the only think he's good at of FT, was 0.47, with anything less than .5 considered below average.
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What's been the strength and conditioning philosophy at Baylor? Didn't see much out of the last regime in that regard. Not much reason to keep either Bradford or Massoud around if they don't commit to physical changes.
Massoud definitely isn't going anywhere and hopefully Bradford isn't either.
Agreed!
If this staff can't upgrade from Massoud, there's a lot of misplaced optimism around here.
Jesus Christ, he's a 6'8" guard who averaged 7 PPG and shot 33% from the three point line, he's clearly a high major player. He's already used his free transfer. If Tang kicks a high major player on the streets without the ability to get a scholarship because he feels like he can't get anything out of a player who has averaged 7 points a game over three years in high major college basketball, then I'll lose my crap.
If Massoud decides to leave on his own, then that's fine, but he won't leave on his own. I promise you that there were players on his roster at Baylor every single year far worse than Massoud. There aren't that many good players.
not so sure about the two parts of this sentence going together
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(https://i.imgur.com/6qLwfMh.jpg)
very "went to my hater's funeral to make sure he was dead" vibes
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not so sure about the two parts of this sentence going together
Average player on a kenpom 60ish team is still a high major player. Only the bluest of bloods on a good year have no average players. Some teams have no bad players though, and that’s something to shoot for in year one. Which is why we need him.
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Rumors of a certain head coach of a certain high school hoops factory in Missouri joining the staff.
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:rolleyes:
You really have to be the most boring, mousy person I've ever ran across.
Cry
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Rumors of a certain head coach of a certain high school hoops factory in Missouri joining the staff.
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would said coach have a 5 star PF that just reopened his recruitment due to a coaching change?
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Looks like multiple 5ers. Incoming grcoat? Tang is trying to hit this into the parking lot
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Rumors of a certain head coach of a certain high school hoops factory in Missouri joining the staff.
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would said coach have a 5 star PF that just reopened his recruitment due to a coaching change?
Inject more of this information into my soul.
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Rumors of a certain head coach of a certain high school hoops factory in Missouri joining the staff.
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would said coach have a 5 star PF that just reopened his recruitment due to a coaching change?
Indeed.
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Looks like multiple 5ers. Incoming grcoat? Tang is trying to hit this into the parking lot
E rough ridin' MAW
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massoud wasn't a worldbeater and he certainly isn't irreplaceable, imo. but he's a competent piece. there are certainly players currently on the roster that are worse than him if we got to pick and choose roster attrition.
Agreed. Massoud would be good in a 6th man role, he can catch fire so
metimes.
He is the poster child of a lazy, selfish player. He can't or won't defend or rebound. He racked up, count them, 10 assists this season. 10! I don't think a competent staff would view him as about winning.
Jesus rough ridin' Christ, take a lap man.
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massoud wasn't a worldbeater and he certainly isn't irreplaceable, imo. but he's a competent piece. there are certainly players currently on the roster that are worse than him if we got to pick and choose roster attrition.
Agreed. Massoud would be good in a 6th man role, he can catch fire so
metimes.
He is the poster child of a lazy, selfish player. He can't or won't defend or rebound. He racked up, count them, 10 assists this season. 10! I don't think a competent staff would view him as about winning.
Bugger off
Jesus rough ridin' Christ, take a lap man.
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want to hear more about 5 stars and less about duds
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This might be a better hire than Ulrich.
Tang probably figured you really only get one shot at this. And he’s making the rough ridin' most of it. He’s been planning all this for sure.
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want to hear more about 5 stars and less about duds
Amen
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This might be a better hire than Ulrich.
Tang probably figured you really only get one shot at this. And he’s making the rough ridin' most of it. He’s been planning all this for sure.
He said “ we are going to win, and it won’t take long” and I think that gives a nice glimpse into what he is executing right in front of our eyes. Portal makes it a bit different than the Beasley and Walker GRCOAT times but I think he may put together a class in the next two years that is on par with it.
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Rumors of a certain head coach of a certain high school hoops factory in Missouri joining the staff.
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would said coach have a 5 star PF that just reopened his recruitment due to a coaching change?
Indeed.
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I'd like to say that I'm kinda getting a boner but there are too many dong lovers here now... but I am! :ksu: (ftp://:ksu:)
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this isn't GRCOAT yet but it is GRSOAT
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https://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/high-school/2021/08/10/link-academy-branson-high-school-cusp-becoming-basketball-power-mshsaa-rodney-perry-omaha-biliew/5461597001/ (https://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/high-school/2021/08/10/link-academy-branson-high-school-cusp-becoming-basketball-power-mshsaa-rodney-perry-omaha-biliew/5461597001/)
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What's been the strength and conditioning philosophy at Baylor? Didn't see much out of the last regime in that regard. Not much reason to keep either Bradford or Massoud around if they don't commit to physical changes.
Massoud definitely isn't going anywhere and hopefully Bradford isn't either.
Agreed!
If this staff can't upgrade from Massoud, there's a lot of misplaced optimism around here.
Jesus Christ, he's a 6'8" guard who averaged 7 PPG and shot 33% from the three point line, he's clearly a high major player. He's already used his free transfer. If Tang kicks a high major player on the streets without the ability to get a scholarship because he feels like he can't get anything out of a player who has averaged 7 points a game over three years in high major college basketball, then I'll lose my crap.
If Massoud decides to leave on his own, then that's fine, but he won't leave on his own. I promise you that there were players on his roster at Baylor every single year far worse than Massoud. There aren't that many good players.
not so sure about the two parts of this sentence going together
Well you better watch more college basketball or read more or something. Here you go.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/
https://kenpom.com/
He's a bang average college basketball player
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Sorry to interrupt the hot Massoud chatter, but it looks like Marco Borne is coming along...
https://www.kmaland.com/sports/k-state-mens-hoops-add-another-assistant/article_e9b77188-abb1-11ec-a7ce-17eea41c08ca.html?utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Now we need that Rodney Perry news to materialize...
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Rodney Perry :pray:
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(https://i.imgur.com/6qLwfMh.jpg)
very "went to my hater's funeral to make sure he was dead" vibes
I feel bad that I chuckled at this.
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This might be a better hire than Ulrich.
Tang probably figured you really only get one shot at this. And he’s making the rough ridin' most of it. He’s been planning all this for sure.
He said “ we are going to win, and it won’t take long” and I think that gives a nice glimpse into what he is executing right in front of our eyes. Portal makes it a bit different than the Beasley and Walker GRCOAT times but I think he may put together a class in the next two years that is on par with it.
In my imagination I think around January he like, sent a group text to all his coaching friends and was like, alright here’s the deal. I’m taking a hc job next season. Don’t know where yet, but I want you guys to come with me and I’ll make sure you get paid, but I need to know you guys are in. Oh and Scott, here’s the deal. You start telling everyone that will listen how much I deserve a shot and how great of a job I’ll do, and in exchange I promise not to bring the entire Baylor roster and staff with me wherever I end up” And they were all like oh h*ck yes Jerome
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Rodney Perry :pray:
You don't need that emoji...
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Rodney Perry :pray:
You don't need that emoji...
:runaway:
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Sorry to interrupt the hot Massoud chatter, but it looks like Marco Borne is coming along...
https://www.kmaland.com/sports/k-state-mens-hoops-add-another-assistant/article_e9b77188-abb1-11ec-a7ce-17eea41c08ca.html?utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Now we need that Rodney Perry news to materialize...
j-von, hello. how are you?
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Sorry to interrupt the hot Massoud chatter, but it looks like Marco Borne is coming along...
https://www.kmaland.com/sports/k-state-mens-hoops-add-another-assistant/article_e9b77188-abb1-11ec-a7ce-17eea41c08ca.html?utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Now we need that Rodney Perry news to materialize...
j-von, hello. how are you?
Hello SD.
I was in a oscar induced coma for a good while but I’m doing much better now. Great to see most of the old crew is still around. Hopefully we can watch Tang build a monster together.
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Yes, let’s do it
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Sorry to interrupt the hot Massoud chatter, but it looks like Marco Borne is coming along...
https://www.kmaland.com/sports/k-state-mens-hoops-add-another-assistant/article_e9b77188-abb1-11ec-a7ce-17eea41c08ca.html?utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Now we need that Rodney Perry news to materialize...
Is Mr. Borne food at basketball coaching?
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Sorry to interrupt the hot Massoud chatter, but it looks like Marco Borne is coming along...
https://www.kmaland.com/sports/k-state-mens-hoops-add-another-assistant/article_e9b77188-abb1-11ec-a7ce-17eea41c08ca.html?utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Now we need that Rodney Perry news to materialize...
Is Mr. Borne food at basketball coaching?
He's a big cheese
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Sorry to interrupt the hot Massoud chatter, but it looks like Marco Borne is coming along...
https://www.kmaland.com/sports/k-state-mens-hoops-add-another-assistant/article_e9b77188-abb1-11ec-a7ce-17eea41c08ca.html?utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
Now we need that Rodney Perry news to materialize...
Is Mr. Borne food at basketball coaching?
He's a big cheese
He's grate
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No Shane?!
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No Shane?!
Don’t cry for Shane he is going to land on a P5 staff, had offers last year.
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No Shane?!
I'm sure his recruiting wouldn't be up to standards with this new staff.
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https://twitter.com/grantflanders/status/1507234952932433923?s=21
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holy crap
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Dudes
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I love the enthusiasm. I am ignorant of why it exists, but I love it exists. Are we at least medium sure that these assistants will bring dudes?
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I love the enthusiasm. I am ignorant of why it exists, but I love it exists. Are we at least medium sure that these assistants will bring dudes?
I don’t even know who any of them are or who good recruits are. Pete, I’m err’ing on the side of “100% rough ridin' positive”
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https://youtu.be/Y6wwzs6cyhU honest Abe would not lie
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I love the enthusiasm. I am ignorant of why it exists, but I love it exists. Are we at least medium sure that these assistants will bring dudes?
I don’t even know who any of them are or who good recruits are. Pete, I’m err’ing on the side of “100% rough ridin' positive”
lol same
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I love the enthusiasm. I am ignorant of why it exists, but I love it exists. Are we at least medium sure that these assistants will bring dudes?
We now have two of the best recruiters in college basketball AND a Delonte Hill Esque HS coach associated with a new prep academy with a similar pipeline to DC Assault circa 2008
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a little bit of uncertainty around Rodney Perry right now, for what it's worth. could still absolutely be happening just not confirmed.
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I love the enthusiasm. I am ignorant of why it exists, but I love it exists. Are we at least medium sure that these assistants will bring dudes?
We now have two of the best recruiters in college basketball AND a Delonte Hill Esque HS coach associated with a new prep academy with a similar pipeline to DC Assault circa 2008
Like, for real? I don't follow the hoopies that much, but did he really pull in this type of staff?
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I love the enthusiasm. I am ignorant of why it exists, but I love it exists. Are we at least medium sure that these assistants will bring dudes?
We now have two of the best recruiters in college basketball AND a Delonte Hill Esque HS coach associated with a new prep academy with a similar pipeline to DC Assault circa 2008
Like, for real? I don't follow the hoopies that much, but did he really pull in this type of staff?
Yes for real, Tang and Maligi will have us in legitimate conversations for 5 star players and Perry has a pipeline as good or better at Link compared to DC Assualt
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I love the enthusiasm. I am ignorant of why it exists, but I love it exists. Are we at least medium sure that these assistants will bring dudes?
We now have two of the best recruiters in college basketball AND a Delonte Hill Esque HS coach associated with a new prep academy with a similar pipeline to DC Assault circa 2008
Like, for real? I don't follow the hoopies that much, but did he really pull in this type of staff?
Yes for real, Tang and Maligi will have us in legitimate conversations for 5 star players and Perry has a pipeline as good or better at Link compared to DC Assualt
:bwpopcorn:
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I love the enthusiasm. I am ignorant of why it exists, but I love it exists. Are we at least medium sure that these assistants will bring dudes?
We now have two of the best recruiters in college basketball AND a Delonte Hill Esque HS coach associated with a new prep academy with a similar pipeline to DC Assault circa 2008
Like, for real? I don't follow the hoopies that much, but did he really pull in this type of staff?
Yes for real, Tang and Maligi will have us in legitimate conversations for 5 star players and Perry has a pipeline as good or better at Link compared to DC Assualt
:bwpopcorn:
Also, when/ff any of this really happens, I can't rough ridin' wait.....like I am already really excited for the "these guys are paying players, none of these guys would be in Manhattan if they weren't getting paid", etc. from KU fans. Its going to be so much fun. :driving:
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I love the enthusiasm. I am ignorant of why it exists, but I love it exists. Are we at least medium sure that these assistants will bring dudes?
Quite
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I love the enthusiasm. I am ignorant of why it exists, but I love it exists. Are we at least medium sure that these assistants will bring dudes?
We now have two of the best recruiters in college basketball AND a Delonte Hill Esque HS coach associated with a new prep academy with a similar pipeline to DC Assault circa 2008
Like, for real? I don't follow the hoopies that much, but did he really pull in this type of staff?
Yes for real, Tang and Maligi will have us in legitimate conversations for 5 star players and Perry has a pipeline as good or better at Link compared to DC Assualt
:bwpopcorn:
Also, when/ff any of this really happens, I can't rough ridin' wait.....like I am already really excited for the "these guys are paying players, none of these guys would be in Manhattan if they weren't getting paid", etc. from KU fans. Its going to be so much fun. :driving:
It's 2022 with NIL. These conversations don't happen anymore.
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Tang just retweeted this so that adds another layer of being official
https://twitter.com/AllAccess_Net/status/1506731883870130176?s=20&t=huApew7wzcjduvsSzjz5fQ
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Is this real life?
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Sorry if luked, but this has so much sauce!
https://twitter.com/grantflanders/status/1507234952932433923?s=21P
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Definitely a pipeline to dudes.
https://cascadesports.tv/interview-with-link-academy-head-basketball-coach-rodney-perry-and-two-of-his-players-trey-green-jordan-ross/ (https://cascadesports.tv/interview-with-link-academy-head-basketball-coach-rodney-perry-and-two-of-his-players-trey-green-jordan-ross/)
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Link connection would be amaze
former MHS guard Cam Carr is there currently (not that he would be a target)
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(https://c.tenor.com/fYlKfVkXqxEAAAAC/im-very-excite-borat-sagdiyev.gif)
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k-state has built an unbelievable coaching staff. i cannot give enough credit to Gene for going out and pushing the first domino to get this all going.
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hey guys, are we good at hoops again?
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hey guys, are we good at hoops again?
MAYBE!
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0b/72/ba/0b72ba4f4703a6550193a729f0b8a7de.gif)
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k-state has built an unbelievable coaching staff. i cannot give enough credit to Gene for going out and pushing the first domino to get this all going.
Tang was over-the-top complimentary of Gene. He really did a great job.
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The Fargo supper club has incredible reach
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There is no reason KU and KSU can’t be Kentucky/L’Ville of old.
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Gene has fired every single Title Town coach from 2012, amazing really.
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Gene's a real what have you done for me lately guy, i've always said that and admired that
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Gene has fired every single Title Town coach from 2012, amazing really.
Gene fired no one, they left on their own.
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Gene has fired every single Title Town coach from 2012, amazing really.
Gene fired no one, they left on their own.
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Gene has fired every single Title Town coach from 2012, amazing really.
Gene fired no one, they left on their own.
Lmao that’s a good one OlatheWildcat
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Gene has fired every single Title Town coach from 2012, amazing really.
Gene fired no one, they left on their own.
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i want rodney perry badly. i hope nobody poaches him while we wait. as if anyone can swoop anyone away from tang though. still need to get used to being the top dog of the big 12 now.
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hey guys, are we good at hoops again?
a very strong maybe :excited:
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i want rodney perry badly. i hope nobody poaches him while we wait. as if anyone can swoop anyone away from tang though. still need to get used to being the top dog of the big 12 now.
peak form number1stunner right here. love it. loving it.
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Gene has fired every single Title Town coach from 2012, amazing really.
Gene fired no one, they left on their own.
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Lmao Gene fired everyone.
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I love the enthusiasm. I am ignorant of why it exists, but I love it exists. Are we at least medium sure that these assistants will bring dudes?
pete did you watch that IG live video?
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hey guys, are we good at hoops again?
Jdub…jdub…the answer is maybe, and the other answer is even if we aren’t we are still going to party our asses off until proven otherwise and I’m going to be fist pumping and crushing suds 24/7/365 until like at least December or w/e
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I can only assume that the mus-tang has promised some serious NIL money to get dudes, and hopefully this will entice Perry.
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That's not at all how that works.
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I know it doesn't come from the school, but I would assume Gene has conversations with the boosters.
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That's very illegal. And before someone rebuts with "everyone does it," Tang has a rep for being squeaky clean, despite what panicked KU fans say.
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Perry’s connection to Link is great, but he’s also coached the MoKan Elite teams for years and is currently the coach of the 17U team. He’s got connections on connections.
And MIR is right, he’ll play in the grey a bit, but I don’t think he’ll cheat to a Kansas or LSU scale. Still, there will be dudes coming to Manhattan.
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Perry’s connection to Link is great, but he’s also coached the MoKan Elite teams for years and is currently the coach of the 17U team. He’s got connections on connections.
And MIR is right, he’ll play in the grey a bit, but I don’t think he’ll cheat to a Kansas or LSU scale. Still, there will be dudes coming to Manhattan.
:excited: :crossfingers:
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BtEjqIaiX-o (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BtEjqIaiX-o)
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Perry’s connection to Link is great, but he’s also coached the MoKan Elite teams for years and is currently the coach of the 17U team. He’s got connections on connections.
And MIR is right, he’ll play in the grey a bit, but I don’t think he’ll cheat to a Kansas or LSU scale. Still, there will be dudes coming to Manhattan.
:emawkid:
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ass, gas, or cash, nobody (including shane) rides for free
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https://twitter.com/coachreem4ever/status/1508166540469981197?s=21
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https://twitter.com/Coach_Maligi/status/1508309798026104835?s=20&t=v6BNzig0HxgF1FyxrYF4ng
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Pinch me, this must be a Jareem.
with all the played out tang name jokes, how does this go unnoticed?
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Pinch me, this must be a Jareem.
with all the played out tang name jokes, how does this go unnoticed?
It was all jareem, used to read TANG up Magazine!
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We’re gonna be in SLAM and stuff like that again. Is SLAM still a thing?
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https://twitter.com/CoachingChanges/status/1508797362675740673?s=20&t=tukLoa0eRt86g3uNj5NV-Q
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[size=78%]Dowling was a junior college assistant at Cecil College.[/size]
Any dudes we can lock up from Cecil College?
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Pinch me, this must be a Jareem.
with all the played out tang name jokes, how does this go unnoticed?
It was all jareem, used to read TANG up Magazine!
I appreciate this.
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https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1508891179915649028?s=20&t=8BaN82cz8UefS2B6m0T6Aw
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THE Curtis Malone?
[tweet]1509367892428705792[/tweet]?s=20&t=GBv2cJGanpxg5yd5Swi9kQ
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I'll be damned, he's out of jail. Good for him.
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Whoa
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:sdeek:
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he's not just out of jail, he like immediately got invited to speak at CBB programs across the country
https://www.instagram.com/thecurtismalone/ (https://www.instagram.com/thecurtismalone/)
(https://i.imgur.com/lKc6Xmw.png)
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@pissclams, has Curtis reached out to you yet?
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He went to prison for dealing Coke right? Seems like he is reformed and ready to mentor young men again(steer them to KSU cats)
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@pissclams, has Curtis reached out to you yet?
he’s probably mad that i stood him up last time
also, he’s kinda got a “do these motherfuckers know i’ve been in prison the last 5 years??” smile in these pictures
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didnt realize he was a two time loser
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Pulling the suge
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How rough ridin' weird would it be that every time you did anything of note, or there was a visitor of any kind, at your work, you intentionally gathered those there, took a pic, and posted to to Social.
What a stupid world.
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He's recently out of prison and hasn't seen his friends in years, I think most people are taking pics in this instance.
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Do we know if Maligi helped with the recruitment of Terrence Shannon at tech?
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@pissclams, has Curtis reached out to you yet?
he’s probably mad that i stood him up last time
also, he’s kinda got a “do these motherfuckers know i’ve been in prison the last 5 years??” smile in these pictures
Yeah, he’s had a lot of time to plan. A bit like Huggs during his down time (though not in prison).
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Is there a reason Maligi hasn't been officially announced?
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Is there a reason Maligi hasn't been officially announced?
I think it’s coming today, not sure why but they seem to want to give each announcement separately with some space in between.
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Is there a reason Maligi hasn't been officially announced?
I think it’s coming today, not sure why but they seem to want to give each announcement separately with some space in between.
On the boscoe podcast, Gene made it sound like they were also still working on their contracts earlier this week too.
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https://twitter.com/KStateMBB/status/1509893409988784129?s=20&t=cHP20V18nbLAF680i3DfVg
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So what is official right now? Maligi and Borne?
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So what is official right now? Maligi and Borne?
One more - Dowling, I think
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3rd chair is the mystery.
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waiting for the conclusion of this? :crossfingers:
https://twitter.com/LinkHoops/status/1509881122037116945/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/LinkHoops/status/1509881122037116945/photo/1)
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https://twitter.com/CoachADMalhotra/status/1509913267333963782?s=20&t=k2uqJOQxKsxQjXqChPpCtw
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https://baylorbears.com/staff-directory/aditya-malhotra/354
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texas connections running deep
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Good find, wacky
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:thumbs:
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I’d be really happy with that
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Kietzman's gonna lose his crap.
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:love:
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rodney perry or bust
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Why is KK going to lose his crap?
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rodney perry or bust
doesn't appear to be on the table anymore per kso
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rodney perry or bust
doesn't appear to be on the table anymore per kso
Darn. This seemed like best case scenario, no?
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rodney perry or bust
doesn't appear to be on the table anymore per kso
Rodney Perry is kind of bland.
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rodney perry or bust
doesn't appear to be on the table anymore per kso
Darn. This seemed like best case scenario, no?
yeah but logic would say there's an obvious connection to Perry that still exists so maybe that will lead us to some kick ass 'cruits/dudes
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https://twitter.com/CoachADMalhotra/status/1509913267333963782?s=20&t=k2uqJOQxKsxQjXqChPpCtw
https://twitter.com/CoachADMalhotra/status/1509936948789534722?s=20&t=AsCSJQWPtdlvJp5y-qUjUA
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lmao
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haha that's great
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:curse: :lol:
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:D
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That son of a bitch.
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Kstate fans so thirsty
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Amazing
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I kind of love that development.
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:D
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:lol:
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Incred
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lol, well done
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Weird to see this place as the non panicking one. Well maybe not, but people need to chill out on those other KSU sports fora (that's for @Spracne).
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4zWraXf9oRM (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4zWraXf9oRM)
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Rango Jones is a national treasure
https://twitter.com/therangojones/status/1510294429810233355?s=20&t=gr9pdNWbn_4ByvcaldKgrg
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:lol:
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https://twitter.com/Coachreem4ever/status/1510677772880035846?s=20&t=TiDxxqVi7AAMY10ErzuvGw
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https://twitter.com/Coachreem4ever/status/1510677772880035846?s=20&t=TiDxxqVi7AAMY10ErzuvGw
eff Drew Brees
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Something about that face and hair keeps tricking my mind into thinking that’s a cardboard cutout of Brees.
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drew brees is a clown ass and when I see him, I plan to tell him so
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I want to hate Drew Brees, also! Are there any other reasons beside him ruining my trip to the Alamo bowl in 1998?
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/drew-brees-faces-backlash-from-saints-teammates-and-beyond-for-comments-about-kneeling-during-the-anthem/
racist, probably maga
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Mohammed F tits! Are you trying to tell me that Drew Brees is racist and our assistant coaches are posing with him. Can we get Jareem fired? Maybe Jareem is a *gasp* Nazi
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Nothing worst than a black nazi. :D
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CanCo Brees is a great human
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Been doing some research on this Drew Brees character. Seems pretty shady.
https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/drew_brees/article_a5b50378-8b5b-11eb-8a44-e398d0025bc1.amp.html (https://www.nola.com/sports/saints/drew_brees/article_a5b50378-8b5b-11eb-8a44-e398d0025bc1.amp.html)
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https://twitter.com/Coachreem4ever/status/1510437380163047425?s=20&t=xd8VMlwENL468hI3gdObQQ
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Jareem is a treat on IG. constant content on his story.
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Ho Lee Fuk! Ulric Maligi was an assistant coach under Larry Brown at SMU!
Some words.
https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/4/4/sports-extra-a-longstanding-relationship-brought-maligi-to-k-state.aspx (https://www.kstatesports.com/news/2022/4/4/sports-extra-a-longstanding-relationship-brought-maligi-to-k-state.aspx)
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Something about that face and hair keeps tricking my mind into thinking that’s a cardboard cutout of Brees.
Yeah, I also thought it was a cardboard cutout at first.
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https://twitter.com/MitchTheFort/status/1511091541288570883?s=20&t=rTWLA04hxTETHeWj2ppNcg
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Do we still have another assistant coach position open? Marco is a chief of staff and I think you get three assistant coaches
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Do we still have another assistant coach position open? Marco is a chief of staff and I think you get three assistant coaches
They are trying to close Rodney Perry
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I like that he's honest
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I like that he's honest
So was the old guy and people didn't like that at all.
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I like that he's honest
So was the old guy and people didn't like that at all.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Do we still have another assistant coach position open? Marco is a chief of staff and I think you get three assistant coaches
They are trying to close Rodney Perry
Rodney is the only guy that wasn’t on a different college staff right? Is there anyway that they would be purposely keeping him off staff for a little while longer to recruit or do things that an official staff member couldn’t?
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Do we still have another assistant coach position open? Marco is a chief of staff and I think you get three assistant coaches
They are trying to close Rodney Perry
Rodney is the only guy that wasn’t on a different college staff right? Is there anyway that they would be purposely keeping him off staff for a little while longer to recruit or do things that an official staff member couldn’t?
Hmmm, interesting
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Do we still have another assistant coach position open? Marco is a chief of staff and I think you get three assistant coaches
They are trying to close Rodney Perry
Rodney is the only guy that wasn’t on a different college staff right? Is there anyway that they would be purposely keeping him off staff for a little while longer to recruit or do things that an official staff member couldn’t?
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/x7gjmBuaHrWak/giphy.gif)
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Do we still have another assistant coach position open? Marco is a chief of staff and I think you get three assistant coaches
They are trying to close Rodney Perry
Rodney is the only guy that wasn’t on a different college staff right? Is there anyway that they would be purposely keeping him off staff for a little while longer to recruit or do things that an official staff member couldn’t?
That feels like a question you may already know the answer to :)
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If true, that is exactly the brand of squeaky clean I want in a head coach.
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Also, tang was on 1350 the game today. They asked him if Shane was ever considered. He said “no” and then didn’t say anything else. They waited for him to expand and he didn’t. It was v funny. They also asked about the last open staff position and it sounded like he’d be fine not filling it for another six months or forever or something. It was an interesting answer.
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6 months of rodney perry recruiting with no rules :love:
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6 months of rodney perry recruiting with no rules :love:
I mean there was no time frame offered. He just didn’t seem in a hurry. Like, at all.
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rodney perry or bust
doesn't appear to be on the table anymore per kso
wait nope, yep, it's on the table
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So Julian Phillips pops for the cats and Omaha Biliew reclasses to 2022 and we win the natty?
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Perry is certainly the target for coach 3.
I’m assuming they have a handshake while he gets to finish his coaching responsibilities and tries to convince some link /mokan guys to follow
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Omaha Biliew
Is that right? @Cardiac Cats where are you bro?
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Tang is assembling the coolest coaching staff in America.
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Do we still have another assistant coach position open? Marco is a chief of staff and I think you get three assistant coaches
They are trying to close Rodney Perry
Rodney is the only guy that wasn’t on a different college staff right? Is there anyway that they would be purposely keeping him off staff for a little while longer to recruit or do things that an official staff member couldn’t?
That feels like a question you may already know the answer to :)
GRCOAT 2.0 incoming.
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this is cool
https://twitter.com/Coachreem4ever/status/1511867301972176897?s=20&t=iwp0YyW0-ErE6WxNw5Ha-A
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Jareem on kman - full interview https://open.spotify.com/episode/5KaOw6doauq4h09fXhD3af?si=holMHyJgSPCFhIGeK6bCvg
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https://twitter.com/KStateMBB/status/1512490462094974977?s=20&t=6pQYSBZ-K2NVke0zSbkrOw
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The Carpenter will whittle away our players’ imperfections and shape them into good men.
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He'll make them a whittle better
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You know who else was a Carpenter? Jesus, that's who.
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https://twitter.com/Coachreem4ever/status/1512530764465942528?s=20&t=RmXIWiDECea8OMC0X1b1Vg
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Ay truth to Oscar and Shane encouraging guys to leave after Oscar got the boot??
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Why would they need to be told? The only one who the coaches would have wanted was Pack and I don't know if you've seen his offers but he didn't need anyone to tell him to leave.
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This Anthony Winchester guy better not be the third assistant.
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If we aren’t getting a recruiter—Jank, Doc or bust.
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can we throw a parade for perry? let's lock him in
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i'm surprised southwell hasn't been picked up yet (not surprised)
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You know who else was a Carpenter? Jesus, that's who.
What do you think his last gig was like? Do you think he finished it out quietly and just didn't take anymore gigs? Or do you think think he was like "You know, after this one I am out of here guys...have some really big things planned...." Maybe he just ghosted them and walked off after some lady complained about the finish work.
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Rodney Perry just followed me on Twitter. It’s happening, isn’t it?!!!
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Rodney Perry just followed me on Twitter. It’s happening, isn’t it?!!!
nice! there didn't seem to be much doubt about it but his recent follows on twitter are all cats stuff.
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Rodney Perry just followed me on Twitter. It’s happening, isn’t it?!!!
nice! there didn't seem to be much doubt about it but his recent follows on twitter are all cats stuff.
Yeah, I found it interesting, because I wasn't following him at the time. Nice addition!
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Why do we want Rodney Perry? I'm not saying I don't, I just know nothing about him. Is he good?
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Why do we want Rodney Perry? I'm not saying I don't, I just know nothing about him. Is he good?
He’s the coach at Link in Branson MO and coaches the Mokan Elite AAU team. Think of him like Delonte Hill with DC Assault from back in the Beasley McGruder Wally Judge days.
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Why do we want Rodney Perry? I'm not saying I don't, I just know nothing about him. Is he good?
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2022/julian-phillips-256083
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2023/omaha-biliew-256426
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My real estate agent said that Perry is looking at houses
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Is he buying in Colbert Hills next to stoops?
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Why do we want Rodney Perry? I'm not saying I don't, I just know nothing about him. Is he good?
Because we want DUDES
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Why do we want Rodney Perry? I'm not saying I don't, I just know nothing about him. Is he good?
He’s the coach at Link in Branson MO and coaches the Mokan Elite AAU team. Think of him like Delonte Hill with DC Assault from back in the Beasley McGruder Wally Judge days.
You had me at 'Think of him like Delonte Hill with DC Assault from back in the Beasley McGruder Wally Judge days.'
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https://twitter.com/KStateMBB/status/1517186404454830090?s=20&t=_uOo4MKer6P1tAYZzkF-mg
:Woohoo:
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https://twitter.com/KStateMBB/status/1517186404454830090?s=20&t=_uOo4MKer6P1tAYZzkF-mg
:Woohoo:
Someone else poached from seemingly a great position at their current school.
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Yea he’s built a crazy good coaching staff and got Gene on board with expansion of positions as well.
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so are we getting rodney perry or?
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sounds like it. just a really slow play, hopefully so we can basically cheat until he's officially hired.
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sounds like it. just a really slow play, hopefully so we can basically cheat until he's officially hired.
Yes, like when Huggins was out of a job for a year.
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:cool: I like that!
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i want him to cheat his face off today, yesterday, and forever. that’s all I want.
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Former assistant coach at Southern Mississippi
https://twitter.com/KStateMBB/status/1519738216517152772?s=20&t=1iYtDHQTzxMbVp13g0i0aQ
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i want him to cheat his face off today, yesterday, and forever. that’s all I want.
:pray:
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Rumblings that Rodney Perry gets announced this week. Is it just a coincidence that it’s right before JuJu Phillips visit?
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[tweet]1521535062595891201[/tweet]?s=20&t=WNrB0-ONT-tSxulttbRRqQ
has 12 years of head coaching experience at the elite high school level, most notably, in helping build a powerhouse at Montverde Academy in Montverde, Florida from 2003-11.
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how the hell can we have such a huge staff of made up titles
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how the hell can we have such a huge staff of made up titles
we're becoming the bama of cbb :sdeek:
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how the hell can we have such a huge staff of made up titles
:kstategrad:
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I thought I just recently read somewhere that HOF Athletic Director Caspar Milquetoast had committed more money to basketball staff when Coach Tang was hired. I can’t find the source of that information now, however
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Father Tang is building an off-grid Christian commune for all of his Brothers to join.
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how the hell can we have such a huge staff of made up titles
Lol, was gonna say the same. Chief of Staff? Director of Strategies?
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i like it. tang doesn't have a traditional staff like other sheep coaches. he's creating his own world.
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i like it. tang doesn't have a traditional staff like other sheep coaches. he's creating his own world.
It’s basically a direct replica of TTU
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I imagine we raised a bunch of money for brad that we are using for coaches that have made up positions now.
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I imagine we raised a bunch of money for brad that we are using for coaches that have made up positions now.
They should have saved it for the NIL bank account.
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I bet these are the x's and o's nerds that let our real coaches go sign dudes
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These coaches Q&A’s with D. Scott are right up Mr. longform journo’s alley. All these new coaches seem to be major windbags.
https://twitter.com/DScottFritchen/status/1523981771225944064?s=20&t=gFfUnHmOb7T6OKAKvGSOJw
Kim English connection:
Another young man is Kimmy English. Kimmy English is the head coach at George Mason University. I recruited Kimmy to play for me at Montverde Academy. Kimmy was from Baltimore, and he came to me, and he just grew tremendously, but the story about Kimmy is he ended up at Missouri, but I had to dismiss him from Montverde because he had a city mentality in a suburban area. Kimmy's thought process was in city blocks versus miles. We didn't have the resources in place for him, and we had to dismiss him from school, and it changed the course of his life. At the time, I had to take him to the airport. I didn't know if we'd be friends. We're really good friends still to this day. He tells people that was the turning point in his life because that was the hardest thing, we both had to do, was to make that decision, and then Kimmy came out here and had a great career at Missouri.
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These guys will be able to smoothly slide over to MCC.
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what happened to rodney perry?
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what happened to rodney perry?
I bet we mushed him after his players decided to commit somewhere else.
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The Rodney Perry situation is pretty rough ridin' weird.
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He’s coming after some big AAU tourney in July
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he's always 1 big aau tourney from coaching the cats
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https://twitter.com/2B_TheEnergyGuy/status/1532741631778205704
Head coach from Memphis Day school which isn't a place where you can pull D1 recruits and I don't expect him to be linked to anybody. I'm guessing it's a low level position but he seems like a guy that could be a good secondary recruiter.
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https://twitter.com/2B_TheEnergyGuy/status/1532741631778205704
Head coach from Memphis Day school which isn't a place where you can pull D1 recruits and I don't expect him to be linked to anybody. I'm guessing it's a low level position but he seems like a guy that could be a good secondary recruiter.
Secretary of Energy?
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https://twitter.com/2B_TheEnergyGuy/status/1532741631778205704
Head coach from Memphis Day school which isn't a place where you can pull D1 recruits and I don't expect him to be linked to anybody. I'm guessing it's a low level position but he seems like a guy that could be a good secondary recruiter.
Secretary of Energy? Zeal
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Another dud vs a dude
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https://twitter.com/2B_TheEnergyGuy/status/1532741631778205704
Head coach from Memphis Day school which isn't a place where you can pull D1 recruits and I don't expect him to be linked to anybody. I'm guessing it's a low level position but he seems like a guy that could be a good secondary recruiter.
GA
https://twitter.com/2B_TheEnergyGuy/status/1533636957846351873
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Coach Chris Lowery - Mo St
Coach Jermaine Henderson - Cleveland State
Coach Shane Southwell - Northern Illinois
Coach oscar Weber -
https://twitter.com/NIUAthletics/status/1536427504633884673?s=20&t=lx9h_PGztUHt9hTZOEVJkQ
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Am I the only one that is surprised that Shane Southwell didn’t land a better gig after coming in second for the head coaching job at Kansas state? I was told that he was a hot name in coaching circles and that we were in danger of losing him as an assistant coach.
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Am I the only one that is surprised that Shane Southwell didn’t land a better gig after coming in second for the head coaching job at Kansas state? I was told that he was a hot name in coaching circles and that we were in danger of losing him as an assistant coach.
There is no planet in which her was the runner up for the K-State job, he wasn't even considered. This new job is a fine job for his age and experience.
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There’s nothing wrong with an assistant coaching job at Northern Illinois, but this looks like a job that he got with maybe Brad Underwood and/or oscar Weber referrals. I actually expected him to get a P5 assistant coaching job based on word coming out of the recruiting circles that he was a rising star.
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I thought I saw him called Associate head coach somewhere so perhaps he got the #2 gig at NIU.
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Good look at Rodney Perry. I would’ve put it in the master dudes thread, but unfortunately, all the dudes are committed elsewhere.
https://youtu.be/-4GcJpqhC_E (https://youtu.be/-4GcJpqhC_E)
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what happened to rodney perry?
He's a K-State b-ball coach apparently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcFdVtiw7Mk
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:horrorsurprise:
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Lol
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Currently elevated
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Bring some DUDES Rod!
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What in the world? Lol.
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Secretary of Dudes?
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About 8:00 minutes in, Flando says that the Rodney Perry hire should be announced by this time next week. Says he already owns a house in Manhattan.
https://twitter.com/BoscoesBoys/status/1550450463199432704?s=20&t=U18-zaa4q9fH9ifm4BxICQ
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Is this what we were waiting for Rodney Perry to finish before he makes the official move to K state?
https://twitter.com/SLAM_HS/status/1551318903682392065?s=20&t=ShqR5w6JLnvVYwjMobCgcg
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Strong endorsement from Trae young.
https://twitter.com/TheTraeYoung/status/1551271101510012928?s=20&t=ShqR5w6JLnvVYwjMobCgcg
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https://twitter.com/KStateMBB/status/1552383572778143746?s=20&t=lYMUHmK_YCaoQOmlkJKtLw
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Time to land some dudes hot Rod
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https://twitter.com/GrantFlanders/status/1552395949397446658?s=20&t=DlKadpEYKjdVCiLsiMdJsQ
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It’s on. We’re about to take over the world.
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Perry's a great get. He was even given the title "Assistant Coach," which shows you how important Tang views him.
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so are we going to be drowning in more dudes than @stunted on a thailand saturday night?
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so are we going to be drowning in more dudes than @stunted on a thailand saturday night?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/8FxjwI46AQUJvZs7eo/giphy.gif)
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Interesting. https://twitter.com/DYoungRivals/status/1554477240192221184?s=20&t=Ow59GOSDwRZejEkSmR0R5Q
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https://youtu.be/mfYgnm0hgd4 (https://youtu.be/mfYgnm0hgd4)
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Nice Boomering, Fitz. Dang technology these days
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Played for Charlie Spoonhour. Spoon was a phenomenal Coach, but I don’t remember if he was known as a defensive style of play or offensive
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Spoonhour (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Spoonhour)
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Played for Charlie Spoonhour. Spoon was a phenomenal Coach, but I don’t remember if he was known as a defensive style of play or offensive
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Spoonhour (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Spoonhour)
Spoonball baby! They played up and down, very offensive basketball.
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Unless this guy has dudes for relatives, it is a swing and a miss. Doesn’t Keyontae Johnson have any family members we can hire?
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he’s a graduate assistant trying to get a career started, his last position was a volunteer gig. everyone has to start somewhere.
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he’s a graduate assistant trying to get a career started, his last position was a volunteer gig. everyone has to start somewhere.
plus we have something like 11 former D1 assistants on weird made-up positions already. This guy seems well-connected to the Dallas area so I see absolutely nothing wrong with it (unless it like kicks out the next curtis kelly or something, and even then it's fine.)
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CK like it, so let it fly