i was just confused when your response had something to do with him inheriting 3* players and then judging him moving forward based on whether or not he would be able to continue it, when the fact of the matter is that weber had 4* players at illinois and was still 11 games under .500 in conference play during his last six years there. it just seemed like a weird thing to post in the first place and then even weirder to quote me and then post it since it had absolutely nothing to do with the post that you were quoting.
What's your point, ultimately? Bad coach or a bad recruiter? I guess I thought your point was bad recruiter.
i.e., he'll win with Frank's players like he did with Self's players, but he'll suck with his own players just like he did at Illini. That's why I raise the argument about Frank's 3* players. If he can recruit average talent, we're pretty much in the same spot as with Martin. That's my point.
Weber isn't a bad coach. He's not an elite coach either. Just like Frank.
But, to say he will take our program back to the Asbury/Woolridge era is one of the more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) goEMAW talking points.
The Negative: Weber had 2 shitty seasons at Illinois. no question. rough ridin' terrible. He was 5-13 (9th) (10 scholarship players/5 freshmen), 6-12 (9th) (6 freshmen).
The Positive: Taken 2 different schools to NCAA, 3 sweet 16s, 1 national title appearance. Won 4 Conference Championships (2 @S.Ill., 2 @ Ill.). He's got a .670 career winning record.
btw, his 2011 recruiting class had 6 top 100 guys. one could make the argument that the 2012 season was bad because these guys were freshmen.