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I get it. It’s the Final Four. Most of you couldn’t care less about Kansas State’s problems (though fans of other Big 12 schools should be rejoicing). You may not care today about the long-term shambles John Currie just put Kansas State’s basketball program into. But in a year or two, if he’s suddenly the athletic director at whatever school you root for, you may look back and realize this was the weekend Kansas State’s troubles soon led to your own.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Kansas-State-Wildcats-oscar-Weber-Frank-Martin-John-Currie-new-hire-spells-big-trouble-040112


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Man, that's well said.  He really points out that Currie is a rough ridin' dickhole.

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perfect summation of the perpetual crap sandwich we are being force fed until we run that pencil-necked dweeb outta town.
"I started calling him John during the game, cause he was rocking it like No. 7 -- like Elway," Harper said."

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Give John Currie credit for this much. He pulled a fast one when much of the college basketball world was looking elsewhere.

On the weekend of the Final Four, shortly after successfully pushing his program’s remarkably successful head basketball coach out of Kansas State and on to what is, at best, a lateral move, Currie brought in a new guy who will serve John Currie very, very well.

As for serving Kansas State, the school for which Currie serves as athletic director, and the fans he theoretically has been hired to represent? Not so much.

That’s the takeaway from Frank Martin’s exit and oscar Weber’s arrival at a basketball program Martin made into an unexpected perennial winner: Potentially very good for John Currie. Most likely disastrous for Kansas State.

“We’ve got a head basketball coach who has been there and knows the route and the path to that destination,” Currie said at an introductory press conference Saturday afternoon. “In his career, he has developed and mentored NBA lottery picks.”

But here's what Currie and Kansas State really have: A head basketball coach Currie chose after running out a stone-cold winner, a new coach who might help Currie get a better job who knows how to take other coaches’ recruits and win with them before his own guys have to play and his teams’ levels of excellence wanes.

Let me be clear. I like oscar Weber. He has a reputation for being as clean as any coach in the NCAA. He can coach, and with the team Martin assembled, Kansas State should be in good hands next year, and perhaps the year after that, as long as those players don’t transfer.

oscar Weber is a very good basketball coach. But to win in Manhattan – to bring in players and win in one of the least desirable college towns in America – you need a certain kind of guy. And that is not, and will never be, Weber. It’s simply a bad fit.


Don’t listen to John Currie when he says he and Frank Martin had a fine relationship. Don’t listen to Frank Martin, now the very highly paid head coach at South Carolina, if he tries to say the same thing.

Those close to the program were well aware, for more than a year, that these two men loathed each other. Martin was a man widely disrespected when he became Kansas State’s head coach in 2007. Seen as a placeholder for a recruiting class highlighted by Michael Beasley after Bob Huggins bolted for West Virginia, Martin was probably the least respected head basketball coach in America at the time.

And he never forgot – not the love he felt for those who showed loyalty, or the grudges that burned inside him for those who called him a crook, a cheat, a placeholder, incompetent.

Martin is emotional, loyal, candid and capable of holding grudges as surely as he was at working some magical alchemy in Kansas State. In going from laughing stock in 2007 to celebrated success story after Beasley left in the years that followed, he didn’t just prove himself. He showed a world that, in many quarters, never game him a shot.

So you better believe that when Currie arrived in 2009 – a man with no history with Martin, an AD who did not hire him – Martin was poised to recognize a boss who didn’t want him there.

And believe Currie wasn’t subtle on the matter, either. I have no doubt from numerous conversations with those close to the program that this was a divorce long coming, one Martin pushed off in large part because of the kids. He loved those players, and he had a team next year that would have been more formidable than any he’s had, including his 2010 Elite Eight team.

Frank Martin works hard, his teams play with a blue-collar sensibility that played well in rural Kansas, he is loyal and candid no matter where he stands, and the result is his teams won time and again despite a continued belief from most everyone that every upcoming year would finally expose them. No year ever did so.

No, at K-State, if you looked closely enough, the powers that be always showed their true colors. Head football coach LHC Bill Snyder was and is the genius who will always be a Wildcat. Martin was the outsider who could actually coach despite the way he got the job and the lack of head-coaching experience he brought with him, who wanted to stay because Kansas State believed in him when no one else would. And John Currie was and is the athletic director who hired neither of them, and according to sources gets along with neither of them, and who doesn’t have the good sense to utilize the most important weapon in the athletic-director playbook: humility.

That’s why this Weber hire is so galling. A K-State AD looking out for his university’s athletic future would recognize the difficulty of winning in, and recruiting to, Manhattan, Kan.

First, that AD would do everything he or she could to keep Frank Martin. Currie, by souring that relationship long before he pulled Jamar Samuels from an NCAA tournament game against Syracuse this March and then refusing to make up once Martin had had enough, did the opposite. I have no doubt he worked diligently to alienate his coach and got what he wanted: Martin gone.

Second, an AD thinking of the Wildcats’ future would find a coach who could somehow muster the same recipe for success. I’d have learned from Martin’s success and gone with a little-known name with a loyalty streak, a guy able to perpetuate a coaching culture and recruiting legacy, and hired Brad Underwood, K-State's No. 2 since Martin was hired and a former K-State player.

Otherwise, you have to find someone who can recruit to Manhattan and – like Martin – win with the particular kind of players they can actually land.

And John Currie thinks that person is oscar Weber?

Weber hasn’t been to a Sweet 16 since 2005, when he led Illinois there (and ultimately to the national title game, losing to North Carolina) … with Bill Self’s players. If you can’t recruit to and win in Illinois well enough to hold onto your job, how on earth can you do so in Manhattan?

Have a look at the hirings, firings and job swaps in the college basketball coaching world.
Answer: You can’t.

But that’s all besides the point.

One of two things is going on with Kansas State’s athletic director.

Either John Currie is borderline incompetent at the job, with a shaky idea of how to win in a place like Manhattan, or else he's in it for himself and would rather run off the right guy because he doesn’t like him than change his own ways in order to keep him.

If it’s the former, Currie will get his due in two or three years. Running off Martin from a place like Kansas State is a fireable offense. Being college basketball, that bill won’t come due for a few years.

But there’s always option two, which I suspect to be behind most of this: That Currie made this hire for Currie and Currie’s career. Weber has a squeaky-clean image, giving Currie some high marks with high-minded university presidents. Weber can win with Martin’s players, giving Currie a possible one- or two-year window of faux achievement. And Currie, who will never get credit for LHC Bill Snyder and didn’t have the good sense to want credit for keeping Frank Martin, finally has a hire of his own to smack on his resume and wave around to prospective employers.

Which is why I think hiring oscar Weber is entirely about John Currie and not at all about oscar Weber. K-State’s AD, having run out the right guy, now has brought in as a replacement someone perfectly built to get John Currie a job elsewhere.

It's also true that Kansas State was a program far ahead of Illinois under the tenure of these two men. Martin won more games than Weber in four of the past five seasons and has six NCAA tournament wins to Weber's one in the same time frame. And as if more proof was needed, Jacob Pullen, K-State's top career scorer, summed it up thusly on his Twitter account: "oscar (Weber) didn’t think I was good enough to play at Illinois and I don’t think he is good enough to coach at Kansas State."

This is America, where ego, incompetence and B.S. often fail forward. No telling to which place John Currie hopes to take his galling failing next.

I get it. It’s the Final Four. Most of you couldn’t care less about Kansas State’s problems (though fans of other Big 12 schools should be rejoicing). You may not care today about the long-term shambles John Currie just put Kansas State’s basketball program into. But in a year or two, if he’s suddenly the athletic director at whatever school you root for, you may look back and realize this was the weekend Kansas State’s troubles soon led to your own.

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oscar Weber is a very good basketball coach. But to win in Manhattan – to bring in players and win in one of the least desirable college towns in America – you need a certain kind of guy. And that is not, and will never be, Weber. It’s simply a bad fit.


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Boom, someone not satisfied with writing a "good fit" blurb and moving on

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Boom, someone not satisfied with writing a "good fit" blurb and moving on

yep

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oscar Weber is a very good basketball coach. But to win in Manhattan – to bring in players and win in one of the least desirable college towns in America – you need a certain kind of guy. And that is not, and will never be, Weber. It’s simply a bad fit.


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Total bullshit.  But, we can thank Frank Martin running off to South Carolina for propagating that time honored myth.


Texas Christian University coach Gary Patterson has been hired as Kansas State's 34th football coach, multiple sources have confirmed to GoPowercat.com.  Patterson replaces Ron Prince, who was fired Wednesday. - Tim Fitzgerald   Nov, 7, 2008

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Kirk responds via Facebook: I am not sure it is possible to trash Kansas State, John Currie, Manhattan, and everything else all in one article. If this guy has EVER been to Manhattan I would be shocked. I don't mind criticism - but this is downright hateful.

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Wow. Looks like somebody spends a lot of time reading goEMAW.com before writing their articles

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Kirk responds via Facebook: I am not sure it is possible to trash Kansas State, John Currie, Manhattan, and everything else all in one article. If this guy has EVER been to Manhattan I would be shocked. I don't mind criticism - but this is downright hateful.

If you let one man do it as his job, Kirk, its only going to be a matter of time til someone puts pen to paper

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Kirk responds via Facebook: I am not sure it is possible to trash Kansas State, John Currie, Manhattan, and everything else all in one article. If this guy has EVER been to Manhattan I would be shocked. I don't mind criticism - but this is downright hateful.

he is trying to deflect the long ass currie hating article onto manhattan to try to turn the dumbfucks away from the message of the piece.   :dubious:

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How stupid can Schulz be to not know that Reiter is a KC-based writer that has done multiple stories on Frank?

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How stupid can Schulz be to not know that Reiter is a KC-based writer that has done multiple stories on Frank?

pretty rough ridin' stupid obviously

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Is your AD by any chance a Fundie?  Not trying to slam religion but running off a popular coach and replacing him with Weber seems to defy all logic and reason.  While not all religious types ignore logic, it's something most fundies I know are pretty good at.  And Weber himself is kind of a churchy guy...

I dunno.  Unless that guy is truly trying to tank your program, which I doubt, I can come up with very few logical reasons why he would be convinced he's doing the right thing, unless there's something deeply philosophical (to him) involved.   :dunno:

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He read our board.

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Schulz doesn't come off as a huge sports nut to me. I'm not sure he really knows just what is going on.

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Schulz doesn't come off as a huge sports nut to me. I'm not sure he really knows just what is going on.

I hope you are right.  He should really read goEMAW more before talking or making decisions though.  You know crap has hit the fan if we've turned against The Animal. 

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Schulz doesn't come off as a huge sports nut to me. I'm not sure he really knows just what is going on.

I hope you are right.  He should really read goEMAW more before talking or making decisions though.  You know crap has hit the fan if we've turned against The Animal.

this. kirk had to have really made a mistake for this group of emaw's to go against him and that sweet southern drawl.

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if reiter's theory is true, that currie is hoping to bolt for a better job in a year or possibly two, then i think his argument actually works against him. because if reiter is right, then currie's hire makes a ton of sense and could actually have a positive outcome - both for himself and also for kansas state.

most reasonable people are able to concede that weber will likely take k-state to the tourney over the next two years with frank's players. now, can k-state get beyond the round of 32? well, that remains to be seen.

but let's assume the following:

-weber leads k-state to consecutive ncaa tourney appearances; the cats advance to round of 32 next year and go one-and-done the next.
-currie finds a better gig and leaves.

if that happens, a new AD comes in and can now hire his own head coach. he'll be justified in doing so, for three reasons: 1) he can say, "i dont get the sense that our fanbase is entirely behind weber."; 2) he can say, "based on my own research, i know that weber is good at coaching players he inherits but not ones that he recruits"; and finally, 3) "i think kansas state can do better than one-and-done. it's time to find a coach who can help us compete for championships."

when it's time for the new AD to make a hire, k-state will have advanced to six ncaa tourneys in the previous seven years and would have made it to the round of 32 or beyond five times, including the elite eight in '10. given the currie-martin feud, this wasn't an attractive job - and the candidates, outside of gottlieb, were about as underwhelming as it gets.

in 2014, when it's time for a new AD to hire a new coach, k-state should be in position to target a good one and could make the splash hire that likely couldn't be delivered this time around because of the circumstances.

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Schulz doesn't come off as a huge sports nut to me. I'm not sure he really knows just what is going on.

I hope you are right.  He should really read goEMAW more before talking or making decisions though.  You know crap has hit the fan if we've turned against The Animal.

this. kirk had to have really made a mistake for this group of emaw's to go against him and that sweet southern drawl.

My hope is that things are still salvageable with Schulz and athletics. He's done a great job with the academic side of things during his time here. But keeping Currie for an extended period of time would show that he either doesn't really know how big time sports are supposed to work or he doesn't really care.

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in 2014, when it's time for a new AD to hire a new coach, k-state should be in position to target a good one and could make the splash hire that likely couldn't be delivered this time around because of the circumstances.

gottlieb won't be an option by then. probably at duke or something.

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if reiter's theory is true, that currie is hoping to bolt for a better job in a year or possibly two, then i think his argument actually works against him. because if reiter is right, then currie's hire makes a ton of sense and could actually have a positive outcome - both for himself and also for kansas state.

most reasonable people are able to concede that weber will likely take k-state to the tourney over the next two years with frank's players. now, can k-state get beyond the round of 32? well, that remains to be seen.

but let's assume the following:

-weber leads k-state to consecutive ncaa tourney appearances; the cats advance to round of 32 next year and go one-and-done the next.
-currie finds a better gig and leaves.

if that happens, a new AD comes in and can now hire his own head coach. he'll be justified in doing so, for three reasons: 1) he can say, "i dont get the sense that our fanbase is entirely behind weber."; 2) he can say, "based on my own research, i know that weber is good at coaching players he inherits but not ones that he recruits"; and finally, 3) "i think kansas state can do better than one-and-done. it's time to find a coach who can help us compete for championships."

when it's time for the new AD to make a hire, k-state will have advanced to six ncaa tourneys in the previous seven years and would have made it to the round of 32 or beyond five times, including the elite eight in '10. given the currie-martin feud, this wasn't an attractive job - and the candidates, outside of gottlieb, were about as underwhelming as it gets.

in 2014, when it's time for a new AD to hire a new coach, k-state should be in position to target a good one and could make the splash hire that likely couldn't be delivered this time around because of the circumstances.

It would be nice, Rake, but the majority of our fanbase will eat up that round of 32 and one-and-done.