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[ChiComCat]

Does anyone really think any amount of Frank publically complaining about Currie would've convinced Schulz to fire him?

Just checking.

The biggest thing that could get currie fired now is if we wiff on a bunch of decent guys and land on offering Undy the job and he tells us to eff off.  Won't happen, but if Undy said no, it would send a pretty big signal, imo.

Note: this will never happen.

Would laugh my ass off if Undz turned the job down.  Then I would cry for what that means for our program

[chum1]

dear fitz nation:  frank doesn't have a bunch of dirt on currie.

[MakeItRain]

dear fitz nation:  he's not trashing anyone privately.  and nothing he says is going to influence anyone.

yes, love that he's trashing Kansas State privately is stated and treated as fact instead of theory

this is one of the many ways it would be better if he did it publicly.  so we wouldn't have to sift through the veil of naiveness that people would have about who those national writers are getting their info from.

We could also maybe get Currie fired this way. (are we allowed to want that????)

yet again, another way him publicly flogging john currie would have benefited us.

Zacker and rusty, when smart people become uncontrollably irrational.  Yes, Schultz would have fired Currie if Frank publicly called him a reactionary, control freakish dickbag.  You guys have lost your minds, the way you two are coping with fear is fascinating.

[kso_FAN]

This hire can only help Currie and can do very little to hurt him IMO. ADs never get fired over one bad hire, especially when they've done the other stuff that Currie's done. Even more so since Currie is Schulz's hire. If this hire is a failure and Currie stays around, he'll get another shot to hire a coach, but he'll probably get his next big hire (football) before that would come around. A second bad hire would be bad for his career though.

[Skipper44]

This hire can only help Currie and can do very little to hurt him IMO. ADs never get fired over one bad hire, especially when they've done the other stuff that Currie's done. Even more so since Currie is Schulz's hire. If this hire is a failure and Currie stays around, he'll get another shot to hire a coach, but he'll probably get his next big hire (football) before that would come around. A second bad hire would be bad for his career though.

I believe Snyder is going to have the loudest voice on the FB hire and only a great BB hire by Currie can change that. 

[CNS]

This hire can only help Currie and can do very little to hurt him IMO. ADs never get fired over one bad hire, especially when they've done the other stuff that Currie's done. Even more so since Currie is Schulz's hire. If this hire is a failure and Currie stays around, he'll get another shot to hire a coach, but he'll probably get his next big hire (football) before that would come around. A second bad hire would be bad for his career though.

If the second guy leaves and is successful at making it seem like it was due to an overly ambitions compliance dept or a overly controlling AD, that could be pretty bad for Currie.  Two strikes and all...

[Cire]

Currie better hit a home run with this hire or he's fist effed for football.

[catzacker]

Zacker and rusty, when smart people become uncontrollably irrational.  Yes, Schultz would have fired Currie if Frank publicly called him a reactionary, control freakish dickbag.  You guys have lost your minds, the way you two are coping with fear is fascinating.

I don’t follow how this is a coping mechanism.  I don’t think it’s irrational to think that if frank went public with everything (i.e. naming specifics about what went on, describing the “hell” that john put him through) that two things could have happened:

The specifics of what Frank speaks about aren’t believable and are petty:
-   Frank ends up looking like a crybaby (winner = ksu)

The specifics of what Frank speaks about are believable and aren’t petty:
-   John ends up looking like an overbearing jerk and liar so much so that he gets canned (winner = ksu)

And as I stated before, we wouldn’t have to play this game of “show me where frank said …” .  And naively believe that frank (or someone close to frank) aren’t/haven’t put stuff out there.

[wabash909]

A young AD typically would be given a little latitude on his first hire, if the head coach he was replacing was terminated for under performance or had left for a higher profile job.

When the most popular/winningest coach in 25 years gets the hell out of town for a demotion to a dogsh*t program like South Carolina over a reported personal conflict, you better hit a home run or you can start picking out For Sale signs.

[ChiComCat]

Zacker and rusty, when smart people become uncontrollably irrational.  Yes, Schultz would have fired Currie if Frank publicly called him a reactionary, control freakish dickbag.  You guys have lost your minds, the way you two are coping with fear is fascinating.

I don’t follow how this is a coping mechanism.  I don’t think it’s irrational to think that if frank went public with everything (i.e. naming specifics about what went on, describing the “hell” that john put him through) that two things could have happened:

The specifics of what Frank speaks about aren’t believable and are petty:
-   Frank ends up looking like a crybaby (winner = ksu)

The specifics of what Frank speaks about are believable and aren’t petty:
-   John ends up looking like an overbearing jerk and liar so much so that he gets canned (winner = ksu)

And as I stated before, we wouldn’t have to play this game of “show me where frank said …” .  And naively believe that frank (or someone close to frank) aren’t/haven’t put stuff out there.

Currie/TeamSprads are the ones that are doing a much better job putting things out there

[sys]

teammir, notteambutthurtusuallygoodposters.

[kso_FAN]

A young AD typically would be given a little latitude on his first hire, if the head coach he was replacing was terminated for under performance or had left for a higher profiled job.

When the most popular/winningest coach in 25 years gets the hell out of town for a demotion to a dogsh*t program like South Carolina over a reported personal conflict, you better hit a home run or you can start picking out For Sale signs.

I'd guess Schulz put 0% blame on Currie for Frank leaving.

[chum1]

fitz nation has to ask itself what dirty laundry grudge bombs frank is going to drop.  is it that currie cares a lot about compliance?  that he cares a lot about a projecting a certain sort of image?  what's this dirt that frank's got on currie?

[Rage Against the McKee]

fitz nation has to ask itself what dirty laundry grudge bombs frank is going to drop.  is it that currie cares a lot about compliance?  that he cares a lot about a projecting a certain sort of image?  what's this dirt that frank's got on currie?

I would imagine Fitz is going to make up a bunch of crap and drop it anonymously so that everyone assumes it came from the Frank camp. It's no secret that Currie and Fitz do not get along.

[MakeItRain]

 

I don’t follow how this is a coping mechanism.  I don’t think it’s irrational to think that if frank went public with everything (i.e. naming specifics about what went on, describing the “hell” that john put him through) that two things could have happened:

The specifics of what Frank speaks about aren’t believable and are petty:
-   Frank ends up looking like a crybaby (winner = ksu)

The specifics of what Frank speaks about are believable and aren’t petty:
-   John ends up looking like an overbearing jerk and liar so much so that he gets canned (winner = ksu)

 You really don't think Currie's boss doesn't know he is a micro managing control freak?  He could possibly think that Currie completely bungled the Jamar situation and not even consider firing Currie.

This was a personality conflict.  What world do you live in where people get fired from 6 figure jobs because the people they supervise think that they are buttholes?  Frank left because he didn't like his boss, unless he is hiding proof of Currie embezzling money, no one has anything to gain by a former employee whining about his mean/weird boss.

[michigancat]

fitz nation has to ask itself what dirty laundry grudge bombs frank is going to drop.  is it that currie cares a lot about compliance?  that he cares a lot about a projecting a certain sort of image?

Well, that would make Frank look like a complete dumbshit, which I would also enjoy. If that makes me a member of FitzNation, SO BE IT.

[catzacker]

I don’t follow how this is a coping mechanism.  I don’t think it’s irrational to think that if frank went public with everything (i.e. naming specifics about what went on, describing the “hell” that john put him through) that two things could have happened:

The specifics of what Frank speaks about aren’t believable and are petty:
-   Frank ends up looking like a crybaby (winner = ksu)

The specifics of what Frank speaks about are believable and aren’t petty:
-   John ends up looking like an overbearing jerk and liar so much so that he gets canned (winner = ksu)

 You really don't think Currie's boss doesn't know he is a micro managing control freak?  He could possibly think that Currie completely bungled the Jamar situation and not even consider firing Currie.

This was a personality conflict.  What world do you live in where people get fired from 6 figure jobs because the people they supervise think that they are buttholes?  Frank left because he didn't like his boss, unless he is hiding proof of Currie embezzling money, no one has anything to gain by a former employee whining about his mean/weird boss.

the real world.

sincerely,

Al Bohl.

[puniraptor]

fitz nation has to ask itself what dirty laundry grudge bombs frank is going to drop.  is it that currie cares a lot about compliance?  that he cares a lot about a projecting a certain sort of image?  what's this dirt that frank's got on currie?

I would imagine Fitz is going to make up a bunch of crap and drop it anonymously so that everyone assumes it came from the Frank camp. It's no secret that Currie and Fitz do not get along.

This probably has roots in that goEMAW nation opened currie's eyes to fitz's disgusting molesting ways, right?

[Rage Against the McKee]

fitz nation has to ask itself what dirty laundry grudge bombs frank is going to drop.  is it that currie cares a lot about compliance?  that he cares a lot about a projecting a certain sort of image?  what's this dirt that frank's got on currie?

I would imagine Fitz is going to make up a bunch of crap and drop it anonymously so that everyone assumes it came from the Frank camp. It's no secret that Currie and Fitz do not get along.

This probably has roots in that goEMAW nation opened currie's eyes to fitz's disgusting molesting ways, right?

I would think so.

[JKEYS]

I don’t follow how this is a coping mechanism.  I don’t think it’s irrational to think that if frank went public with everything (i.e. naming specifics about what went on, describing the “hell” that john put him through) that two things could have happened:

The specifics of what Frank speaks about aren’t believable and are petty:
-   Frank ends up looking like a crybaby (winner = ksu)

The specifics of what Frank speaks about are believable and aren’t petty:
-   John ends up looking like an overbearing jerk and liar so much so that he gets canned (winner = ksu)

 You really don't think Currie's boss doesn't know he is a micro managing control freak?  He could possibly think that Currie completely bungled the Jamar situation and not even consider firing Currie.

This was a personality conflict.  What world do you live in where people get fired from 6 figure jobs because the people they supervise think that they are buttholes?  Frank left because he didn't like his boss, unless he is hiding proof of Currie embezzling money, no one has anything to gain by a former employee whining about his mean/weird boss.

the real world.

sincerely,

Al Bohl.

 

[MakeItRain]

I don’t follow how this is a coping mechanism.  I don’t think it’s irrational to think that if frank went public with everything (i.e. naming specifics about what went on, describing the “hell” that john put him through) that two things could have happened:

The specifics of what Frank speaks about aren’t believable and are petty:
-   Frank ends up looking like a crybaby (winner = ksu)

The specifics of what Frank speaks about are believable and aren’t petty:
-   John ends up looking like an overbearing jerk and liar so much so that he gets canned (winner = ksu)

 You really don't think Currie's boss doesn't know he is a micro managing control freak?  He could possibly think that Currie completely bungled the Jamar situation and not even consider firing Currie.

This was a personality conflict.  What world do you live in where people get fired from 6 figure jobs because the people they supervise think that they are buttholes?  Frank left because he didn't like his boss, unless he is hiding proof of Currie embezzling money, no one has anything to gain by a former employee whining about his mean/weird boss.

the real world.

sincerely,

Al Bohl.

Interesting you mention him, he freaking embezzled money! http://www2.kusports.com/news/2003/apr/10/al_bohl_timeline/
 
Despite that on your happy days you don't think that Frank yields 1/10th the power that Ol' Roy does. lol, you're trying too hard.

[114Hickory]

This can't become like the Illinois search/debacle.  The image of the program is damaged by that.  Given, Illinois has other issues related to their AD, a controversial and not fully supported FB coach search, and the UP.  We have other issues that influence the process.  For the sake of the program, this search can't set us back.  So regardless of where everyone is with whose fault is this, who said what, why some things aren't being said, where a receipt was allegedly found, or whatever, we really need to be concerned with the process now and hope that the AD is aggressive in contacting a home-run and making sure he won't turn the option down.

[Cire]

A young AD typically would be given a little latitude on his first hire, if the head coach he was replacing was terminated for under performance or had left for a higher profiled job.

When the most popular/winningest coach in 25 years gets the hell out of town for a demotion to a dogsh*t program like South Carolina over a reported personal conflict, you better hit a home run or you can start picking out For Sale signs.

I'd guess Schulz put 0% blame on Currie for Frank leaving.

It was abundantly clear after the presser that Currie told Shulz the only reason frank left is because of the suspension and shulz doesn't really wgaf about anything else.

[michigancat]

This can't become like the Illinois search/debacle.  The image of the program is damaged by that.  Given, Illinois has other issues related to their AD, a controversial and not fully supported FB coach search, and the UP.  We have other issues that influence the process.  For the sake of the program, this search can't set us back.  So regardless of where everyone is with whose fault is this, who said what, why some things aren't being said, where a receipt was allegedly found, or whatever, we really need to be concerned with the process now and hope that the AD is aggressive in contacting a home-run and making sure he won't turn the option down.

I have no idea what happened w/ the Illinois search other than they wanted smart and didn't get him and hired some smelly loser that the dumbass national writers love. BFD.

[catzacker]

I don’t follow how this is a coping mechanism.  I don’t think it’s irrational to think that if frank went public with everything (i.e. naming specifics about what went on, describing the “hell” that john put him through) that two things could have happened:

The specifics of what Frank speaks about aren’t believable and are petty:
-   Frank ends up looking like a crybaby (winner = ksu)

The specifics of what Frank speaks about are believable and aren’t petty:
-   John ends up looking like an overbearing jerk and liar so much so that he gets canned (winner = ksu)

 You really don't think Currie's boss doesn't know he is a micro managing control freak?  He could possibly think that Currie completely bungled the Jamar situation and not even consider firing Currie.

This was a personality conflict.  What world do you live in where people get fired from 6 figure jobs because the people they supervise think that they are buttholes?  Frank left because he didn't like his boss, unless he is hiding proof of Currie embezzling money, no one has anything to gain by a former employee whining about his mean/weird boss.

the real world.

sincerely,

Al Bohl.

Interesting you mention him, he freaking embezzled money! http://www2.kusports.com/news/2003/apr/10/al_bohl_timeline/
 
Despite that on your happy days you don't think that Frank yields 1/10th the power that Ol' Roy does. lol, you're trying too hard.

•March 28, 2003 -- Prominent KU benefactor Dana Anderson, a friend of Williams and former member of the KU Athletics Corp. board of directors, makes known his feelings about the athletics department turmoil. "If there are irreconcilable differences between coach and Al Bohl -- and I don't have any animosity toward Al Bohl -- but if a choice needs to be made, it's not really much of a choice. Coach feels like he's being micromanaged, and if that's the case we need to eliminate the micromanagement. I don't want to negotiate or debate it. Let's just make the change."

U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi.