You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.

[The Whale]

So if we learned anything out of this mess, it's that we need to have a booster's son as a walkon - let him buy all of the "groceries" and get Western Union out of the loop.

[Dugout DickStone]

So if we learned anything out of this mess, it's that we need to have a booster's son as a walkon - let him buy all of the "groceries" and get Western Union out of the loop.

Or have a booster hire a team mom to come to Manhattan and take care of everyone.

MIR, I am not all saying it was a violation.  I don't think it was.

[kso_FAN]

What proof could K-State have possibly had? Western Union transactions are supposed to be confidential. The only thing K-State could have possibly had that constituted proof would be the testimony of one of the employees, and if that were the case, I sincerely hope that employee was turned into Western Union for a violation of their terms.

one possibility: they got the tip, asked jamar about it, and he confirmed the story. And what CC is saying is that you can't not ask as soon as you know about this crap. Especially when you consider how quickly and openly Curtis Malone talked.

This is what I think is going to come out.

1.  Tip from person who should be fired
2.  Currie to Frank - "ask Jamar"
3.  Frank to Jamar "Did Curt send you $200?"
4.  Jamar to Frank "yup"
5.  Frank "shazbot!"

Yes, I would agree with that. And like you said, once Malone was connected it was over.

WHY?  I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis.  Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.

Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish.  If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit.  He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong.  He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent.  If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food.  In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy.  If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.

It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.

_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out.  There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone.  That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.

I agree with all that, I wasn't implying Jamar should break ties or even to be told to. I only said "it was over" to mean K-State/Currie was not going to mess around with it once the connection was made and they knew he got cash from Malone. There was just too much of a past with Malone to let it slide.

[Clevey 2 Times]

This whole scenario is just pathetic. My initial reaction after reading this is Currie could have (and should have) played this much more smoothly. Could just be his inexperience? I dunno.

But, in the end this all comes down to the reactionary, hardly consistent in applying their rules, NCAA which creates this type of sad, maddening situation all too often.

I am not convinced ADJC did this as some resume padding ploy, although if I had known more of the details of the Jamar suspension the probability of me confronting Currie in Pittsburgh would have been exponentially higher. After the loss, he was scurrying beside me out of the (very nice) Consol Energy Center. I thought he was just saddened by the loss, but maybe he was just avoiding any media or conversation with Frank. Either way, he appeared a bit skittish.

I'm also not convinced that this would make Frank leave. First of all, where is he going? To Illinois? Where they just offered Smart 2.5 mil and fired a coach that took them to the final 4 and won twice as many games as he lost. No way. Frank isn't going there, where loyalty is obviously not too important. He is staying in Manhattan with his guys. This is what Frank does.

All this whole situation really does is solidify my hatred for the NCAA even more. And confirm that 75-80% of the KSU fanbase is delusional.

[michigancat]

WHY?  I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis.  Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.

Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish.  If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit.  He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong.  He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent.  If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food.  In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy.  If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.

It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.

_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out.  There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone.  That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to think Jamar was perfectly in the right to see why he thought taking money from Malone was OK but at the same time see why the NCAA would not agree.

[MakeItRain]

Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.

[nicname]

WHY?  I'm getting quite aggravated at people questioning Malone because in this instance they're questioning how Jamar views Curtis.  Jamar asked for the money because of how he views his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar picked up the Western Union because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Jamar admitted to taking the money because of how he viewed his relationship with Curtis.  Curtis, Jamar, and several people around Jamar including his head coach and his long time girlfriend have said they didn't think they did anything wrong because I'm assuming 1, because of the prior relationship and 2, because he's done it before.

Essentially because Mike and Fatima took money from Joel Bell some (most) of you think he shouldn't ask a man for help who has helped his family for over a decade, that's bullshit and frankly tuckish.  If the athletic department told him specifically not to take anymore money from Curtis Malone even though they knew he's done it in the past that's also bullshit.  He shouldn't break ties with someone he's knows as long as he has because someone else Jamar knew for 18 months did something wrong.  He shouldn't starve because Mike and Fatima wanted cash from an agent.  If Jamar couldn't dunk a basketball, if he was Shawn Meyer or some dude on the track team no one here would be lining up to buy him food.  In Malone's world Jamar's achievements aren't much, just another guy.  If he wanted something other than to give a kid some money because he said he's hungry, he sure didn't pick a great target.

It's a shame that Jason fatass Whitlock and Dave Zirin realizes this and most of us who have an emotional, vested interest in taking Jamar at his word that his relationship with Curtis Malone was harmless, he was a friend with money quick to help him and his family when needed.

_fan, I quoted your post but I'm not specifically calling you out.  There have been plenty of people saying that Jamar shouldn't have continued to be associated with Malone or the athletic department should have banned Jamar from associating with Malone.  That's Mike & Fatima's cross to bear not Jamar's.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to think Jamar was perfectly in the right to see why he thought taking money from Malone was OK but at the same time see why the NCAA would not agree.

Yep.  Jamar's, Curtis' or anyone else's motivations for exchange aren't what is important.  I don't think they did anything wrong, and I doubt most who look at the situation (outside of holier-than-thou tucks) do either.  The dinosauric NCAA doesn't give a crap and they look at their rules as black and white.  It is bullshit.  But what can we do about it. 

My question is this: Did they sit him because of possible vacation of games with Jamar playing going forward, or did they sit him because of all the Mombeaz, Beaz stuff?

[nicname]

Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.

Those are the same motherfuckers throwing Jamar under the bus on GPC, Facebook, etc. those people don't know crap and piss me off as much as they do you. 

[MakeItRain]

You should read this thread closer.  Tucks wouldn't drive me to make a 200 word post.

[Trim]

Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.

If K-State's stance was that hypothetically, Curtis Malone giving $200 to a player was something they would need to hold out a player for and report to the NCAA, they definitely should've told Jamar not get any money from Curtis. 

That's not me saying it's wrong for Jamar to get $200 from Curtis.  That's me saying that KSU apparently didn't need to think long about whether or not to report it, that somebody at KSU should've anticipated long before Friday night that Jamar could reach out to Curtis for money at some point over 5 years, and thus that they should've told Jamar long before Friday night that if he gets money from his father figure Curt, that they're gonna sit him out and report it.

And if KSU's position on Curt money changed because of Fatima/Bell, then yeah, that's shitty for Jamar, but they still should've alerted him that they weren't going to have his back if he asked Curt for money.

Cap'n Crap never answered my question about whether they did or not.

[michigancat]

Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.

If K-State's stance was that hypothetically, Curtis Malone giving $200 to a player was something they would need to hold out a player for and report to the NCAA, they definitely should've told Jamar not get any money from Curtis. 

That's not me saying it's wrong for Jamar to get $200 from Curtis.  That's me saying that KSU apparently didn't need to think long about whether or not to report it, that somebody at KSU should've anticipated long before Friday night that Jamar could reach out to Curtis for money at some point over 5 years, and thus that they should've told Jamar long before Friday night that if he gets money from his father figure Curt, that they're gonna sit him out and report it.

This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.

[Trim]

Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.

If K-State's stance was that hypothetically, Curtis Malone giving $200 to a player was something they would need to hold out a player for and report to the NCAA, they definitely should've told Jamar not get any money from Curtis. 

That's not me saying it's wrong for Jamar to get $200 from Curtis.  That's me saying that KSU apparently didn't need to think long about whether or not to report it, that somebody at KSU should've anticipated long before Friday night that Jamar could reach out to Curtis for money at some point over 5 years, and thus that they should've told Jamar long before Friday night that if he gets money from his father figure Curt, that they're gonna sit him out and report it.

This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.

True, but there's people in the athletic department with no duties other than compliance tasks.  Frank wasn't part of the crew that instantly decided to report this.  Those guys who apparently believe with certainty that getting money from Curtis Malone is a violation should've also known there's guys on our hoops team that have a long-standing family-ish relationship with Curtis Malone and been proactive about it.

[420seriouscat69]

Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.

[p1k3]

Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.

I think michigancat brought this up several pages ago, and the jury is still out.

Other than that though, nothing. He's done great things for emaw.

[sonofdaxjones]

 

[michigancat]

Those guys who apparently believe with certainty that getting money from Curtis Malone is a violation should've also known there's guys on our hoops team that have a long-standing family-ish relationship with Curtis Malone and been proactive about it.

Yeah, and so should Frank. How about having your players trust you enough to come to you when you're low on cash before their AAU coach with a bad NCAA reputation? Ever hear of that one, Frank? How about making sure you're clear on every DCA players' relationship with Malone?

Ignorance is a piss-poor excuse here.

[nicname]

Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.

I think michigancat brought this up several pages ago, and the jury is still out.

Other than that though, nothing. He's done great things for emaw.

My initial reaction was that he was, I have cooled on that a bit now.  It is human nature to want a scapegoat, I and many here chose Currie.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.

I think michigancat brought this up several pages ago, and the jury is still out.

Other than that though, nothing. He's done great things for emaw.

frank hates him and i'm pretty sure he hates frank. people are worried about their working relationship to the point that frank might look to go to a similar (not necessarily better) job to get away from a guy that he feels does not like him or respect him. i agree that he has done a lot of really, really good things since he's been here.

[Dugout DickStone]

Yeah.  Not talking about the NCAA though, just people who think Jamar shouldn't accept help from Curtis because Mike and Fatima f-ed up.

If K-State's stance was that hypothetically, Curtis Malone giving $200 to a player was something they would need to hold out a player for and report to the NCAA, they definitely should've told Jamar not get any money from Curtis. 

That's not me saying it's wrong for Jamar to get $200 from Curtis.  That's me saying that KSU apparently didn't need to think long about whether or not to report it, that somebody at KSU should've anticipated long before Friday night that Jamar could reach out to Curtis for money at some point over 5 years, and thus that they should've told Jamar long before Friday night that if he gets money from his father figure Curt, that they're gonna sit him out and report it.

This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.

True, but there's people in the athletic department with no duties other than compliance tasks.  Frank wasn't part of the crew that instantly decided to report this.  Those guys who apparently believe with certainty that getting money from Curtis Malone is a violation should've also known there's guys on our hoops team that have a long-standing family-ish relationship with Curtis Malone and been proactive about it.

Maybe those guys only believe that if there is a third party who is going to turn us in.

[kso_FAN]

This includes Frank Martin. ESPECIALLY Frank Martin. I mean if he's pissed that Currie is being a hardass over this stuff he needs to teach his players the best way to get money from their AAU coaches. He has no excuse for getting caught off guard by this.

This quote from Malone is just ridiculous.

If I knew it and wanted to hide it, I would have done it differently.

And this quote from Currie seems to point at the message he was trying to get out from this.

We believe this to be a very isolated incident.

I think Currie is scared to death of Malone and what else he might say.

[SkinnyBenny]

Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.

mismatched turf 

[kso_FAN]

Serious question? Most of us have been pumped about Currie before this crap storm. I dont want to be naive, but are we 100% sure he's trying to build his resume? And what else are you pissed about with him, besides this event? Tia.

mismatched turf 

And darkly stained wood.

[Trim]

Maybe those guys only believe that if there is a third party who is going to turn us in.

Yes, having that approach would definitely lead to where we are today.

[Trim]

It's going to be fantastic when Pete gets all his rough ridin' answers, and he will get them.

[SkinnyBenny]

Currie has been very very good so far but the relationship with Frank thing is reeeeeeeally worrisome.  And of course I don't have any proof of that other than townie hearsay and Currie sitting right behind him at that one Nebrasketball game, but it seems like they don't like each other much, and that worries me greatly.