You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.

["storm"nut]

Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.

Would this timeline be correct

1. found out about it from source
2. investigated it and found it to be true
3. suspended Jamar
4. Reported to the NCAA (thinking things would be cleared up)
5. 12 hours till tip, NCAA rules Jamar is ineligible
6. before, during and currently we are working to get this reversed.

Look about right?

[wabash909]

I think I keep missing the part as to who the implicator was?

And why he or she was so credible with their implication of one of our student athletes that we fearfully ran to the NCAA with this self report in this manner.

[sonofdaxjones]

But as I recall, every situation of "improper benefits" at ku over the last few years involved situations that occurred before the kid(s) got to campus as enrolled student athletes.

No chance this happens at ku a day before an NCAA tourney game .  . . not . . . a . . . chance!!

[chum1]

stop bothering cc (aka the mole) with your stupid crap.  he won't want to come back.

[OK_Cat]

for the record, i love your info capt crap.  not hating the messenger on this one.

just seems like there was plenty of wiggle room for Currie to work with.  If our athletic department is 100% squeaky clean, then I'm ashamed.

[CNS]

Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.

So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?

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[Dugout DickStone]

Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.

The Cam Newton stuff didn't "pop up" one day.  Auburn knew he was for sale from day 1.  They just finessed it so they got him, then ruled him out knowing the NCAA couldn't connect the dots and they'd have him cleared for Conference play.

As to ku, they took their sweet time between his allegedly getting paid and suspending him.

The same thing is going to happen with Shabazz.

[AbeFroman]

Why didn't Currie just let his phone go to voicemail and then "forget" to check it for 12 hours

[Pete]

In my opinion, and the opinion of others who I respect, the KSU compliance department and John Currie are way too conservative.  Their interests are not those of KSU's athletic success, but rather their own professional success.

I suppose I shouldn't blame them for being so self-interested.  Not everyone is EMAW.

[captaincrap]

Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.

So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?

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Depends on the report -- if you just called some place and said stuff, had no proof of any kind, just your say so... would probably require some kind of prelim investigation from the school before they held the player out. If you contacted the school with proof, lots of schools would hold the player out until they can look into it further. Such as Durand Scott.

[captaincrap]

In my opinion, and the opinion of others who I respect, the KSU compliance department and John Currie are way too conservative.  Their interests are not those of KSU's athletic success, but rather their own professional success.

I suppose I shouldn't blame them for being so self-interested.  Not everyone is EMAW.

You are welcome to your opinion. In this case, I disagree with it.

[Trim]

Why didn't Currie just let his phone go to voicemail and then "forget" to check it for 12 hours

You don't get to responding to every e-mail by letting messages lapse.

[wabash909]

CC, in another thread, Limestone quotes Kietz saying "2.  KS doesn't have a "compliance" department, it has an "enforcement" department and is much different from other NCAA schools."

two Q's:

1. has this been something we have looked into restructuring to?

2. if not, why not?

This should be made our #1 priority, even above the practice facility.

What Keitzman is saying is that we run our compliance department more like an enforcement department.

Like the old adage, it's better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission. 

Except we do a lot of asking for permission instead of begging for forgiveness apparently...

[Dugout DickStone]

In my opinion, and the opinion of others who I respect, the KSU compliance department and John Currie are way too conservative.  Their interests are not those of KSU's athletic success, but rather their own professional success.

I suppose I shouldn't blame them for being so self-interested.  Not everyone is EMAW.

You are welcome to your opinion. In this case, I disagree with it.

Please list the benefits of a hyper vigilant compliance department versus one that doesn't exist (ku) or is at least not as vigilant/conservative?

Because ku ain't selling tickets by being conservative.

[kitten_mittons]

Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.

So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?

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Correct, and if it is "no" then there is no reason for kstate to have determined it to be legit and report it until 1 minute after we beat Syracuse.

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[CNS]

I would like to take this time to remind all Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) townies that witnessing the breaking of NCAA regs is not witnessing the breaking of laws and therefore you are in no way ethically or legally required to inform anyone unless your job requires it. 

[Trim]

I would like to take this time to remind all Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) townies that witnessing the breaking of NCAA regs is not witnessing the breaking of laws and therefore you are in no way ethically or legally required to inform anyone unless your job requires it. 

I bet it was all that crap we gave OK_Cat and his bro who didn't report the child rape that made all the townies super-vigilant.  Bit by our own snake again.

[Pete]

In my opinion, and the opinion of others who I respect, the KSU compliance department and John Currie are way too conservative.  Their interests are not those of KSU's athletic success, but rather their own professional success.

I suppose I shouldn't blame them for being so self-interested.  Not everyone is EMAW.

You are welcome to your opinion. In this case, I disagree with it.

 If your desire was to stay at KSU, then you can "play ball."  Currie has to fund raise, and not get into troubs.  That's how he gets the jobs he's been rumored to have been applying for, but getting passed over (e.g. Illinois and UNC).

[kitten_mittons]

Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.

So you are saying that any person could report any violation, and that person will be ruled intelligible until they can confirm the reports are true/false?

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Depends on the report -- if you just called some place and said stuff, had no proof of any kind, just your say so... would probably require some kind of prelim investigation from the school before they held the player out. If you contacted the school with proof, lots of schools would hold the player out until they can look into it further. Such as Durand Scott.

Okay, someone get a western union receipt or whatever so we can photoshop the crap out of it for every opponent we ever play in any sport ever.

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[Pete]

When Jamar finds out who this person was who issued the accusation (if he hasn't already), what makes you think he won't disclose to all of us the precise details of how this went down?

I mean, he a senior.  What can Currie do about that?  Answer:nothing.  Not that we need Jamar to get all this information....

[captaincrap]

Couldn't Currie decide he is too far from Manhattan, too far from the witnesses, too far from the facts, examine all issues instead of making a snap decision?

Short answer: no, he can't. Like I've said before, the NCAA rules don't work that way when it comes to eligibility and improper benefits. When the Cam Newton stuff first came out, Auburn immediately ruled him ineligible due to the possibility of him having taken improper benefits. Then they investigated, found nothing, applied for reinstatement, were granted it. I'm telling you, it happens all the time, everywhere. K-State is not special or unique in this regard.

Would this timeline be correct

1. found out about it from source
2. investigated it and found it to be true
3. suspended Jamar
4. Reported to the NCAA (thinking things would be cleared up)
5. 12 hours till tip, NCAA rules Jamar is ineligible
6. before, during and currently we are working to get this reversed.

Look about right?

Close enough. Was much closer to tipoff that NCAA ruled it a violation and denied reinstatement for the game.

[Dugout DickStone]

BSAC already knows the information, but he is trying to buy an island in the Seychelles right now and not answering emails.

[SkinnyBenny]

CC dodging all questions about the informant   

[Pete]

CC dodging all questions about the informant   

He knows that others are reading.

Plus, if I were him, I'd want to keep my options open when Currie finally lands one the jobs that he's frequently applying for (i.e. Illinois and UNC)

CC is a good dude, and I am very, very glad that he posts on this board....none of this is about him at all. 

[_33]

CC dodging all questions about the informant   

He knows.