You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.

[michigancat]

Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department.  I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.

Do you disagree?

If Currie is truly the resume building egomaniac he is portrayed as here? Then yes, I disagree. Seems Currie would love an opportunity at a high-profile football compliance event. If Currie is willing to risk running off his best basketball coach in 30 years, do you really think he gives a rats ass about Snyder's "clout"?

[DQ12]

Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department.  I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.

Do you disagree?

If Currie is truly the resume building egomaniac he is portrayed as here? Then yes, I disagree. Seems Currie would love an opportunity at a high-profile football compliance event. If Currie is willing to risk running off his best basketball coach in 30 years, do you really think he gives a rats ass about Snyder's "clout"?

I see what you're getting at, but I don't know if I agree with you.  I mean, prior to this last season all of us were bitching and moaning about Snyder's untouchable nature within the Athletic Department, how nobody's allowed to fire him or tell him what to do (especially re. Sean).

Snyder runs his show and answers to nobody, imo.  Frank, otoh, has a boss. 

Not saying it's right, but that's how I think it is.

[kim carnes]

It wouldn't have been done like this though, that's for certain.

How can you be certain of that?

I have a hard time believing that if Snyder thought the kid should play and Currie didn't, that Currie would win.

And you think Frank would go down with less of a fight?

Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department.  I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.

Do you disagree?

There are no comparable situations for this.  You're just making crap up here.

[michigancat]

It is dumb on Currie's part.  But's it's more arrogance.

He simply thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.  In his mind he believes he can pad his resume by boasting about winning programs AND claim a squeaky clean compliance track record. 

When you have two very high-profile compliance violations in two basketball seasons, how can you claim to have a squeaky clean compliance record?

They were before he got there and he didn't hire the coach with the "issues?"

They still happened under his compliance department. He's still responsible for training coaches and athletes on compliance issues. Everyone knows Curtis Malone walks a fine line between booster and runner. If you're a university president interviewing Currie, what do you ask about this? "How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

If you're honest with yourself, it looks TERRIBLE on a resume.

[kougar24]

The "Snyder is untouchable" argument died with Jon Wefald.

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"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.

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I really don't understand the hatred for ADJC.

i don't know the man personally, so i can only rely on those i trust who have a better feel for him.  both trim and frank martin dislike him, which is good enough for me.

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i don't think he's a bad a.d.  i just don't like him.

Yes, my dislike for him has virtually nothing to do with facilities upgrades or fundraising or whatever AD things he does.

[michigancat]

Not at all, I just think Snyder has more clout within the Athletic Department.  I don't think Currie is capable of bullying around Snyder like it seems he did with Frank.

Do you disagree?

If Currie is truly the resume building egomaniac he is portrayed as here? Then yes, I disagree. Seems Currie would love an opportunity at a high-profile football compliance event. If Currie is willing to risk running off his best basketball coach in 30 years, do you really think he gives a rats ass about Snyder's "clout"?

I see what you're getting at, but I don't know if I agree with you.  I mean, prior to this last season all of us were bitching and moaning about Snyder's untouchable nature within the Athletic Department, how nobody's allowed to fire him or tell him what to do (especially re. Sean).

Snyder runs his show and answers to nobody, imo.  Frank, otoh, has a boss. 

Not saying it's right, but that's how I think it is.

Frank is just as unfireable as Snyder, based on results. What's going to happen if Frank tells Currie to eff off and plays Jamar? Currie throws Martin under the bus and fires him over this issue? I'm sure University Presidents loves someone with that kind of relationship with his coaches.

And before you say, "well, it's understandable that he wouldn't get along with coaches that he didn't hire", ask yourself who his employees will be at his next job? You HAVE to be able to work with existing coaches when you're a high major AD.

[EMAWmeister]

"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.

I think that even if they told the players not to be associated with this guy, it's harder for a guy like Jamar (who has grown up with Malone being there for him) to cut ties than say, Rodney.

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"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.

I think that even if they told the players not to be associated with this guy, it's harder for a guy like Jamar (who has grown up with Malone being there for him) to cut ties than say, Rodney.

I don't think they told anyone to cut ties with him.

[michigancat]

"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.

I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.


Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

[EMAWmeister]

"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.

I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.


Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

I don't doubt that Currie didn't want to do it.  But he did do it. So own it, JC.

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I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.

Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

Some townie was reporting it to them as something wrong rather than them internally analyzing it? 

I don't believe that the first time Jamar called home for money was Monday, and/or that the decision on whether it was OK or not was made solely by Curtis Malone until Friday night.

[michigancat]

I don't doubt that Currie didn't want to do it.  But he did do it. So own it, JC.

What is there to own?

[kso_FAN]

I think the Malone connection forced Currie's hand IMO. It doesn't help that Malone is talking about it like he does it all the time for all his players.

Just a terrible deal for Jamar.

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I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.


Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

And on the resume aspect, I'm not one making an argument that this episode or his handling of it in any manner was good for his resume or that he thinks that.  I do think that he feels that a major coach hire is something his resume needs - it's obviously not good enough now as he's not getting any of the jobs he interviews for - and he's not necessarily going to get a shot at hiring a football coach.  I think he'd be very, very happy if Frank left of his own accord, and if tinkering with hoops will accelerate that, then this helped.

[EMAWmeister]

I don't doubt that Currie didn't want to do it.  But he did do it. So own it, JC.

What is there to own?

I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he should have been answering questions about this yesterday.

[Kat Kid]

"How on earth did you let this happen with your student-athletes? Did you not discuss the Beasley lawsuit? What did you do to warn them about Malone? Why do you allow your student athletes to misuse their living stipend so poorly and why did you allow him to think his shady AAU coach was the place to go to help? Why didn't Jamar come to you?"

Was just discussing this with MIR post-hoops (I did NOT shoot well).  Seems almost IMPOSSIBLE that Jamar couldn't have been under the understanding that getting this money was OK.  How on earth could everybody on the team not have been forced into multiple meetings about Malone/AAU at the very latest when the Beasley suit went public? 

Makes me think KSU OK'd this sort of thing in the past, but Currie had second thoughts about it last week and decided better safe than sorry.  Like a rough ridin' pussy.

I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.


Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

And yet they did.

So far it seems to me that the following things are known:

1) Frank is unhappy with how this situation was handled
2) Frank's ongoing relationship with Currie is not ideal

The ongoing sour nature of their relationship colors everything Currie does for me and others.  It remains to be seen if this was beyond K-State's ability to manage without pulling Jamar from the game, but I'm not going to give Currie the benefit of the doubt because of these two knowns.  Even if 1) doesn't necessarily indicate that Frank thinks Currie screwed this up, the burden of proof for me has shifted.  At a minimum, I am upset that Frank and Jamar were seemingly left to answer for everything with John leaving his involvement to a couple throw away quotes in the newspaper article.  It would be nice if Currie made concrete steps to manage the P.R. end of the situation, but so far it seems like there has been perfunctory efforts made on Jamar's behalf by John.  Even if the lack of effective P.R. on Jamar's behalf does not mirror a lack of diligence in advocating for Jamar with regards to the facts of the case, the impression that is left is poor.  That should be concerning to everyone at an absolute minimum.

[ChiComCat]

Frank is just as unfireable as Snyder, based on results. What's going to happen if Frank tells Currie to eff off and plays Jamar? Currie throws Martin under the bus and fires him over this issue? I'm sure University Presidents loves someone with that kind of relationship with his coaches.

Frank isn't as unfireable because there is money-weilding group of fans that probably want another Woolridge.  Regardless, he won't be fired.  But Currie could make his job suck until he leaves.

[michigancat]

I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.

Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

Some townie was reporting it to them as something wrong rather than them internally analyzing it? 

I don't believe that the first time Jamar called home for money was Monday, and/or that the decision on whether it was OK or not was made solely by Curtis Malone until Friday night.

So you are suggesting that this has been going on for a long ass time, Currie knew about it, and decided to take action on this only because a townie reported it? Currie thought, "welp, let's do a suspension so we can get the NCAA to look at Jamar and Malone's relationship (involving cash exchanges) more closely. This should go well. I will be the Ohio State AD in no time."

You're fishing for a meltdown moment.

I don't think that makes any sense at all. Why now? No matter how you shake it, it doesn't look like a resume building moment for Currie.


Most realistically, this is something absolutely NO ONE wanted to do.

And on the resume aspect, I'm not one making an argument that this episode or his handling of it in any manner was good for his resume or that he thinks that.  I do think that he feels that a major coach hire is something his resume needs - it's obviously not good enough now as he's not getting any of the jobs he interviews for - and he's not necessarily going to get a shot at hiring a football coach.  I think he'd be very, very happy if Frank left of his own accord, and if tinkering with hoops will accelerate that, then this helped.

Not being able to keep Frank happy looks just as bad on a resume as "making a major hire" would look good.

[kso_FAN]

I agree Currie's PR has been bad. He did come on with Wyatt right before the game and say Jamar was on course to graduate, did nothing wrong academically or behaviorally, and that he and K-State completely supported Jamar and that he hoped for resolution quickly. But very few heard that.

[Rams]

#teamrusty

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So you are suggesting that this has been going on for a long ass time, Currie knew about it, and decided to take action on this only because a townie reported it? Currie thought, "welp, let's do a suspension so we can get the NCAA to look at Jamar and Malone's relationship (involving cash exchanges) more closely. This should go well. I will be the Ohio State AD in no time."

Not being able to keep Frank happy looks just as bad on a resume as "making a major hire" would look good.

On point 1, I'm not the one arguing that Currie looked at this situation as a thing that will enhance his resume.  I don't think Jamar and Curtis unilaterally decided it was OK to do this Monday.  As you pointed out before, I guess it's possible that Currie has a woefully inadequate and non-proactive compliance department that left it to Jamar and Curtis to decide these things on their own.  I think it's more likely that Jamar and Curtis had cleared this sort of transaction before, but something was different here (some outside party bitched about it rather than Jamar asking if it was cool), and Currie decided to play it safe.

On point 2, I agree that losing Frank due to Frank not being able to stand Currie is as bad and probably worse on a resume than not having a major hire.  I don't think Currie agrees with us.

[p1k3]

If Currie does this again then hes earned a "Currie is a coward" airplane banner imo