You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie.

[XocolateThundarr]

I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.

I am of the same opinion.

When did Malone become such a good friend of KSU and Samuels that he'd just start Western Unioning money to Samuels the week of the Dance?  And it just happened the day after the pools are announced?

Guys.  Really?

I mean, would it have been so tough to drop a couple be cnotes in the mail to jamar.  Had to western union that crap......

You have me thinking about it LSOC.

[Winters]

I demand that someone acknowledge a Curtis Malone eff job just went down.  Watch him or his guys get in with Boeheim over the next few years.

You're serious about this?  I assure you that this wasn't the first time.

My second biggest fear of fallout from this is that the NCAA rules that there was no prior relationship between Malone and Jamar, and they discover that it has happened more than once and Frank's and the school's records get wiped for a significant portion of the last four years.

Let's say that's all bullshit though.  Do you really think that the way into a program of a coach who will eventually win 1000 games is to screw over another program?  Why would Boeheim trust Malone if he is going to jam up a program whenever he gets butthurt.  If this was some elaborate plot why not take out Rodney or Rodney and Jamar?  Did he also pay the customer service agent at Dillons, Walmart, or HyVee to snitch?  Of course if Curtis did this he would have told Jamar a very specific time and place to pick up the money gram and hope that his plant wasn't on break when Jamar went in.

Your theory is ummm, interesting.

MIR makes me proud to know there are wildcat fans like him out there! Thank you.

[nicname]

this is clearly a case of a guy putting his resume above everything else.

Pretty much all that needs to be said, and all that we need to know. 

[SkinnyBenny]

Seriously, though.  Twitter people. Bombard Currie immediately and do it ad nauseum. Hold his feet to the fire and call attention to this crap so much that he has no choice but to answer some legit questions. Whip out your cameraphone and TMZ him if you see him out and about in town.  Make that rough rider give us some answers.

[MakeItRain]

I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.

I am of the same opinion.

When did Malone become such a good friend of KSU and Samuels that he'd just start Western Unioning money to Samuels the week of the Dance?  And it just happened the day after the pools are announced?

Guys.  Really?

I mean, would it have been so tough to drop a couple be cnotes in the mail to jamar.  Had to western union that crap......

You have me thinking about it LSOC.

So you propose that Malone should have mailed two hundred dollars cash in an envelope overnight?  You're aware that usps, FedEx, and UPS along with checks and money orders also leave a paper trail, right?

[catsdo]

I rough ridin' hate our townie fanbase so much right now.  It's mostly praise for John Currie on the Scout board right now.  I honestly think the Scout board posters want K-State to suck at sports.  I'm not kidding.

[Dugout DickStone]

I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

[MakeItRain]

I rough ridin' hate our townie fanbase so much right now.  It's mostly praise for John Currie on the Scout board right now.  I honestly think the Scout board posters want K-State to suck at sports.  I'm not kidding.

It's mostly born of ignorance.  They have no clue as to what they're thankful for.  If you attempted to tell them that they could have reported this but still played Jamar, they would be too stupid to understand.

[Dugout DickStone]

Pimping Boeheim's integrity?  I mean.... Just....no way

[j-von]

I think Frank would be incredibly happy with us if we completely demolish Currie on this.

Feels kind of good to have a villain again.  Was getting kinda boring.

[Pete]

I rough ridin' hate our townie fanbase so much right now.  It's mostly praise for John Currie on the Scout board right now.  I honestly think the Scout board posters want K-State to suck at sports.  I'm not kidding.

As long as they are teaching these kids some integrity, that's the most important thing.

Nevermind the 20K other students that attend KSU.  We need to make sure that the athletes are being "raised" with integrity.


 


I just want to rough ridin' scream.

[wabash909]

You guys worrying about Jamar's sitting effecting the outcome of the game are arguing over spilled milk.  The real drama is how it effects Frank and our program going forward.  Screw Currie, he is doing what's best for him, not K-State, and definitely not Jamar.

Yeah, I really hope that Currie gets the gig he's looking for soon before we're looking for a new AD and a basketball coach.

I haven't been on much today, has there been much talk about the post game press conference?  I just watched it on ncaa.com and Frank made it obvious for the first time publicly (that I know about) that he is royally pissed off at Currie. If you think about how much Frank cares about Jamar, this could be a big issue since he said he wouldn't have held Jamar out.

If Frank wants him gone, JC needs to get the eff out.  I don't have a good feeling about the situation if JC stays.

Edit: just saw the thread on the presser.

People are getting wrapped up in the small picture here and not focusing on the big picture.

Small picture:  Sitting a player and costing our chance at winning a game.

Big Picture:  Frank is publically at odds with Currie, again, because his program has been undermined by an over zealous compliance department and opportunistic AD.

If you're a K-State basketball fan, it should be more than evident at this point that this internal conflict is very real and we could be headed down a path none of us want this to go with a contract negotiation looming and a number of jobs about to open up.

[MakeItRain]

I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

[wabash909]

I rough ridin' hate our townie fanbase so much right now.  It's mostly praise for John Currie on the Scout board right now.  I honestly think the Scout board posters want K-State to suck at sports.  I'm not kidding.

These are the same townie K-State dumbfucks that would still be defending Tom Asbury if they could.  A lot of people simply relish mediocrity.  It's a sad truth.

[Dugout DickStone]

He isn't getting to bed with anyone.  He didn't ask for anything.  Malone did it, expecting something later. 

But btw, Boeheim doesnt give any crap about who he is in bed with, his program is as filthy as any that has taken the court in the past 20 years.  Whether academics, drugs or benefits (child rape ) they are absolutely what I'd love us to be without the rough ridin' little kids and being hilariously dismissive of every NCAA rule that ever existed.

[EMAWmeister]

I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

[p1k3]

If the scout board was a physical place, id probably go there and fight people. Jesus.

[Panjandrum]

I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?

[Dugout DickStone]

If I had just bought $200 worth of drugs from you, and I didn't want to get caught paying you, would I Western Union that crap to Dillons?

Jfc

[Panjandrum]

If the scout board was a physical place, id probably go there and fight people. Jesus.

I just stayed away knowing what would happen.

[EMAWmeister]

I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?

Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?

"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."

[Dugout DickStone]

 Guys on scout still use Western Union to move $$

[MakeItRain]

If I had just bought $200 worth of drugs from you, and I didn't want to get caught paying you, would I Western Union that crap to Dillons?

Jfc

If you bought drugs from me you wouldn't be trying to give me money in any other way than face-to-face, certainly not halfway across the continent.

[p1k3]

SkinnyBenny, Currie has been getting bombarded on twitter today, but unfortunately he is gonna get away with it. Im sure Fitz and co will give him a free pass. 

[Panjandrum]

I am serious.  I'm not saying Boeheim and Malone had some thing worked out, and for you to imply that I'm dumb enough to think they did is an insult.  I think you know me better.  But we both know that the levels that Malone runs in he doesn't need a formal agreement.  Word goes up, not directly, that Malone made this happen and he gets a kickback.  From a huge program. In his recruiting area. 

Malone is a desperate dude these days and Boeheim is the same guy who claimed he had no clue that his players were consistently flunking drug tests. 

There is no "deal" between Boeheim and Malone but no good turn goes unrewarded in their circles.

When did Malone become Jam's new best friend after (at least) 2 years with no relationship?

Right, but if Malone and Syracuse didn't have a relationship before why would this change Boeheim's willingness to utilize DCA?  Wouldn't getting into bed with Malone open up Boeheim to the same thing you're proposing here if something went wrong?  Boeheim doesn't need Malone he's done alright without him to this point, no?

As far as Jam's new best friend, like I said I'd be willing to bet something that we will find out that this wasn't the first time this has happened.

There is no way this is the first time.  Malone even said that this wasn't unlike the payments Jamar had been given in high school.

I'd like to think that if there's no paper trail and everyone gets smart and says nothing, this will go away.

Currie surely understands that he won't get a plum job if he self-reports a university into invalidating four or five years worth of games.  Surely.  Surely?

Doesn't the NCAA rulebook say that if a kid has been getting small payments for living expenses since before college that those payments can continue?

"current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits."

I don't know, but from my point of view, the damage has been done.  MIR made a really good point.  We don't need the NCAA digging around any more than they need to. 

We self reported a minor violation at a bad time.  The more we dig, the more we probably don't want to know.

Anyone involved in this needs to keep their mouths shut, say this was the only time, and we can all move on.