Author Topic: You better have some rough ridin' answers, Currie. (Read 143849 times)

Pete · « **Reply #250 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:33:39 PM »

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Let me start by saying I am proud of what the coaches and players accomplished this year, despite the disapointing ending. I will also say I am proud of the city where I was born and the University I support for taking swift action upon learning about this situation. I just think doing things the "right way is the only way". Consider if heads were turned, we upset Syracuse, and went on to win a National Championship, only to have "lack of institutional control" stamped on us when the dust settles. Yes, it may not bother the school to the east of us, but I for one am proud of our AD and school today, even though for our fan base I'm disappointed. I was just brought up that way. EMAW

nicname · « **Reply #251 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:35:50 PM »

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Let me start by saying I am proud of what the coaches and players accomplished this year, despite the disapointing ending. I will also say I am proud of the city where I was born and the University I support for taking swift action upon learning about this situation. I just think doing things the "right way is the only way". Consider if heads were turned, we upset Syracuse, and went on to win a National Championship, only to have "lack of institutional control" stamped on us when the dust settles. Yes, it may not bother the school to the east of us, but I for one am proud of our AD and school today, even though for our fan base I'm disappointed. I was just brought up that way. EMAW

what thread please?

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #252 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:37:20 PM »

I demand that someone acknowledge a Curtis Malone eff job just went down. Watch him or his guys get in with Boeheim over the next few years.

Panjandrum · « **Reply #253 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:39:19 PM »

Quote from: nicname on March 17, 2012, 10:25:53 PM

You guys worrying about Jamar's sitting effecting the outcome of the game are arguing over spilled milk. The real drama is how it effects Frank and our program going forward. Screw Currie, he is doing what's best for him, not K-State, and definitely not Jamar.

Yeah, I really hope that Currie gets the gig he's looking for soon before we're looking for a new AD and a basketball coach.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #254 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:42:19 PM »

Clams, text me Malone's number.

How can't you guys see this obvious crap? Jamar could easily get $200 in manhattan.

The dumbest rubes in the game got schooled.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #255 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:46:27 PM »

Western rough ridin' Union? Where on earth?

D-FRED-BROWN · « **Reply #256 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:49:36 PM »

should have used Paypal

j-von · « **Reply #257 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:50:01 PM »

Quote from: Panjandrum on March 17, 2012, 10:39:19 PM

Quote from: nicname on March 17, 2012, 10:25:53 PM
You guys worrying about Jamar's sitting effecting the outcome of the game are arguing over spilled milk. The real drama is how it effects Frank and our program going forward. Screw Currie, he is doing what's best for him, not K-State, and definitely not Jamar.

Yeah, I really hope that Currie gets the gig he's looking for soon before we're looking for a new AD and a basketball coach.

I haven't been on much today, has there been much talk about the post game press conference? I just watched it on ncaa.com and Frank made it obvious for the first time publicly (that I know about) that he is royally pissed off at Currie. If you think about how much Frank cares about Jamar, this could be a big issue since he said he wouldn't have held Jamar out.

If Frank wants him gone, JC needs to get the eff out. I don't have a good feeling about the situation if JC stays.

Edit: just saw the thread on the presser.

Benja · « **Reply #258 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:50:47 PM »

I'm still fired up about the people saying Jamar being out didn't lose us the game. I'm almost embarrassed to engage these retards because no, it's not even close to be biggest issue here, but jesus christ people. Jamar draws fouls, plays defense, rebounds, trips people, jaws with people, does all the wyly old veteran crap that you need to win. Not to mention he knows how to play the high post, something we desperately needed in this game and didn't have from Gip. Who knows what would have happened, but eff people, we would have had a better chance. I mean, who just comes out and says "who cares, wouldnt' have mattered anyways", WHO THE eff ARE YOU PEOPLE?

Benja · « **Reply #259 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:52:15 PM »

SERIOUSLY, WHO THE eff ARE YOU PEOPLE?

chum1 · « **Reply #260 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:52:51 PM »

Quote from: Benja on March 17, 2012, 10:50:47 PM

I'm still fired up about the people saying Jamar being out didn't lose us the game. I'm almost embarrassed to engage these retards because no, it's not even close to be biggest issue here, but jesus christ people. Jamar draws fouls, plays defense, rebounds, trips people, jaws with people, does all the wyly old veteran crap that you need to win. Not to mention he knows how to play the high post, something we desperately needed in this game and didn't have from Gip. Who knows what would have happened, but eff people, we would have had a better chance. I mean, who just comes out and says "who cares, wouldnt' have mattered anyways", WHO THE eff ARE YOU PEOPLE?

WHO THE eff ARE YOU? WHO THE eff IS A BENJA?

TBL · « **Reply #261 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:53:17 PM »

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Let me start by saying I am proud of what the coaches and players accomplished this year, despite the disapointing ending. I will also say I am proud of the city where I was born and the University I support for taking swift action upon learning about this situation. I just think doing things the "right way is the only way". Consider if heads were turned, we upset Syracuse, and went on to win a National Championship, only to have "lack of institutional control" stamped on us when the dust settles. Yes, it may not bother the school to the east of us, but I for one am proud of our AD and school today, even though for our fan base I'm disappointed. I was just brought up that way. EMAW

what thread please?

Well, purplepat, instead of spending time on a bbs, just pay attention to Yanni or Celtic Woman. We both know you have one of them playing on your townie-tuck 22 inch tv.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #262 on:** March 17, 2012, 10:56:12 PM »

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Enlighten me, but call me an idiot first. I just wouldn't feel right if I didn't get called an idiot for having too many other things on my mind over the last 12 months than some rough ridin' NCAA rule that I didn't think any 'Cat would be stupid enough to break again.

idiot. under $100 in impermissable benes is no penalty. under $300 is 3 games (for bball). when the school's compliance office finds out about a potential violation, they sit the player, investigate and self report. the ncaa examines the school's findings and rules whenever they get around to it.

what's the penalty if we know about it and ignore it until after the game? lack of institutional control?

In this specific case they could have reported it but played him pending a NCAA ruling using the prior relationship exception. If the NCAA ruled after the fact that he should have been ineligible I think the worst case scenario would have been to vacate the game and each succeeding game. Possibly a fine, no way would an isolated incident like that would have constituted any probation of any type.

Can you call it an isolated incident after the Beasley accusations?

Since the Beasley accusations haven't even been investigated by the NCAA, yes I can call Jamar's issue an isolated incident. Also I'll say it again, self reporting isn't the same as self penalizing. Reporting the issue doesn't mean that we had to sit him. There isn't a harsher penalty for playing a guy after reporting a POSSIBLE eligibility issue.

I'm with you on this, but is it within the realm of possibility that we did this to say, "Hey, we knew about the potential of a minor infraction between Curtis Malone and one of our players, and we sat that kid prior to an NCAA tournament game. Do you think we would have allowed Mike Beasley to play an entire year if we knew he was getting money from Malone and Joel Bell?" when the big investigation comes to town?

I want to think that there was a bigger reason for this than just Currie trying to gloss his resume. I really, really want to think that.

I'm somewhat confused by what you're asking. No matter the reasoning Currie & compliance has for sitting him is shaky for two simple reasons.
1. What was reported may turn out not to be a violation. The NCAA didn't rule anything. You sit guys for things that are obvious violations and you as an athletic department couldn't possibly justify playing said player(s). The example that we are most familiar with is Jake and Curt last year. What they did clearly constituted receiving improper benefits. This case whether or not Curtis Malone fits the NCAA's description of someone who can give money to Jamar is up to interpretation. In this case Currie should have bit the bullet and let the NCAA decide.
2. By self reporting the athletic department clears themselves of any potential for being hammered for a cover-up or any other nefarious behavior. An athletic department will not/cannot get hammered for playing a kid who may or may not be eligible. The best example of this is Auburn and Cameron Newton.

Your Beasley example/question has no relevance to this conversation because clearly the Malone/Beasley relationship differs from that of Jamar. Also pretty safe to assume that Jamar isn't getting money from an agent.

Cire · « **Reply #263 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:04:56 PM »

this was currie covering his ass. nothing more, nothing less.

wetwillie · « **Reply #264 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:05:28 PM »

I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.

SkinnyBenny · « **Reply #265 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:05:44 PM »

Can't WAIT for Captaincrap to weigh in on this.

Pete · « **Reply #266 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:07:33 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on March 17, 2012, 11:05:28 PM

I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.

I am of the same opinion.

SkinnyBenny · « **Reply #267 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:08:03 PM »

Scout board is driving me up the rough ridin' banana wall tonight.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2671&t=8817922&p=1

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Catsdo and Feartheneckbrace:

Are you saying that programs that are clean and run the right way cannot be successful? Seriously? Coach LHC Bill Snyder may have something to say about that.

Are you saying that you would rather go to the NCAA tourney every year with a cheating program than the NIT with a program that does not cheat? Seriously?

Cheating your way to wins is not true success. It is empty. It is like someone bragging about how they beat all of their friends playing Trivial Pursuit, when they looked up all the answers on the cards in advance. How can you feel good about that?

I'm glad AD Currie did things the right way, even if you find it so small-townish.

Cire · « **Reply #268 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:08:43 PM »

this is clearly a case of a guy putting his resume above everything else.

Winters · « **Reply #269 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:10:31 PM »

Winters · « **Reply #270 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:11:01 PM »

#TeamKillCurrie

SkinnyBenny · « **Reply #271 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:12:29 PM »

All you people with Twitter need to be rough ridin' assaulting him on there tonight.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #272 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:13:06 PM »

Quote from: Pete on March 17, 2012, 11:07:33 PM

Quote from: wetwillie on March 17, 2012, 11:05:28 PM
I don't see many scenarios unfolding in which I can forgive currie for this. Someone who cared about kstate and its student athletes wouldn't have made the same decision.

I am of the same opinion.

When did Malone become such a good friend of KSU and Samuels that he'd just start Western Unioning money to Samuels the week of the Dance? And it just happened the day after the pools are announced?

Guys. Really?

SuperG · « **Reply #273 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:15:17 PM »

Quote from: Benja on March 17, 2012, 10:50:47 PM

I'm still fired up about the people saying Jamar being out didn't lose us the game. I'm almost embarrassed to engage these retards because no, it's not even close to be biggest issue here, but jesus christ people. Jamar draws fouls, plays defense, rebounds, trips people, jaws with people, does all the wyly old veteran crap that you need to win. Not to mention he knows how to play the high post, something we desperately needed in this game and didn't have from Gip. Who knows what would have happened, but eff people, we would have had a better chance. I mean, who just comes out and says "who cares, wouldnt' have mattered anyways", WHO THE eff ARE YOU PEOPLE?

It could have, and most likely would have been a completely different game. With Jamar at the high-post I don't think we look nearly as helpless against the zone.

At this point it would be in Currie's best interest that these "benefits" are deemed impermissible. From what's been reported, my common sense tells me they are not. This will be interesting.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #274 on:** March 17, 2012, 11:16:33 PM »

Quote from: Limestone on March 17, 2012, 10:37:20 PM

I demand that someone acknowledge a Curtis Malone eff job just went down. Watch him or his guys get in with Boeheim over the next few years.

You're serious about this? I assure you that this wasn't the first time.

My second biggest fear of fallout from this is that the NCAA rules that there was no prior relationship between Malone and Jamar, and they discover that it has happened more than once and Frank's and the school's records get wiped for a significant portion of the last four years.

Let's say that's all bullshit though. Do you really think that the way into a program of a coach who will eventually win 1000 games is to screw over another program? Why would Boeheim trust Malone if he is going to jam up a program whenever he gets butthurt. If this was some elaborate plot why not take out Rodney or Rodney and Jamar? Did he also pay the customer service agent at Dillons, Walmart, or HyVee to snitch? Of course if Curtis did this he would have told Jamar a very specific time and place to pick up the money gram and hope that his plant wasn't on break when Jamar went in.

Your theory is ummm, interesting.