Angel is absolutely...

[kougar24]

Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.

I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.

Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways. 

A% down.
TO% up.

And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.

[kougar24]

It's fair to say Jamar is Jamar because it's his 4th year and we've seen it.

But there is no reason to think he would have just "been Jamar" with a different staff.

[SkinnyBenny]

It's fair to say Jamar is Jamar because it's his 4th year and we've seen it.

But there is no reason to think he would have just "been Jamar" with a different staff.

Actually gonna agree with OregonHawk on his most recent post.

[catzacker]

Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.

I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.

Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.

Tay is going through a Frankhouse phase. He was really pretty solid in Big 12 play until the last 4 games and somehow Southwell moved into his minutes. I think after this last game we'll go back to seeing more of Tay, but he's been a solid 20 minute player most of this season.

And I think its fair to say Jamar is Jamar. I think there is only so much that can be done with certain players and Frand loves what he brings.

Danny Manning would have had Jamar Samuels in the NBA by now.  Your coaches are terrible at developing big men. 

yeah, Danny's done a fanstic job with the #29 (marcus), #49 (the other morris), # 31 (nmt), and # 36 (jeffrey) players in their respective classes.  It's a wonder how those top 30/50 kids ever made it to the NBA.

[michigancat]

I'm thinking when it came right down to it last Spring, and our staff HAD to have known PG was a concern, we went out and got Jeremy Jones, a potentially decent role player as an instant offense type but not a full time high major PG by any means.

I guess I can see the point of saying we just had a lot of bad luck leading up to that situation, but once in it, not much effort was made to improve it.

I don't think it was "bad luck" at all. And I think it goes back further than just last spring. By the time you get to spring it's too late. The problem was Myles and Omari instead of Rosario or Fontan more than it was Jones, IMO. So I pretty much agree with everything you're saying, just disagree on the timeline. I also think I'm a little more comfortable with where we are. We still have a really good shot at the tourney. I don't think a year like that after losing an All League PG and a very solid low post scorer is unreasonable at this point.

I agree that this staff's hs evals are good (probably even say really good), however the closing part is kind of a big deal.  the players we end(ed) up with because we couldn't close the deal are why we are in the position we're in.  coupled with awful juco recruiting.  

Thanks for the lesson on why closing is important. I'd never considered that.

[kso_FAN]

Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.

I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.

Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.  

A% down.
TO% up.

And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.

Yeah, those numbers are down, but they aren't alarming to me.

I think the biggest thing Will has adjusted with is much more responsibility defensively. He is being asked to guard much better players this year and I think fatigue is catching him. I think he can work through it and be better next year.

No doubt, the regression shooting has been more dramatic than I anticipated and is disappointing.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Micheal Dixon 

[nicname]

Danny Manning would have had Jamar Samuels in the NBA by now.  Your coaches are terrible at developing big men. 

Well, he is the big man whisperer.

eff this.  Danny makes gold bricks out of Gold boullion.   I'll give him credit for recruiting elite bigs but for developing them, psst, they were all badasses to begin with.

[kougar24]

Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.

I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.

Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways. 

A% down.
TO% up.

And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.

Yeah, those numbers are down, but they aren't alarming to me.

I think the biggest thing Will has adjusted with is much more responsibility defensively. He is being asked to guard much better players this year and I think fatigue is catching him. I think he can work through it and be better next year.

No doubt, the regression shooting has been more dramatic than I anticipated and is disappointing.

Listen, I'm still a Frankite through and through, but I think there is reason for concern for the next couple years.

Pullen's improvement was awesome, naturally, but I don't think you can point to anyone else and prove marked development / improvement. That is concerning to me.

But couldn't 'that be a failing of Underwood or Figger or whomever?

[michigancat]

Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.

I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.

Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways. 

A% down.
TO% up.

And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.

um, his Assist% is up (15.6 to 16.9) and TO% is down (21.2 to 18.0).  FTR has gone from 40.4 to 44.4.  Last year he shot 37% from three, this year he has shot 36.4 while taking a lot more. His twos are way lower, but pretty much everything else has improved or stayed about the same.

In comparison, freshman Pullen to sophomore Pullen went from 30% to 33% from three, 49.6% to 43.6% from two, had his assist % go from 25.1 to 21.4, his FTR go from 34.2 to 31.0, and didn't improve his turnovers.

[OregonSmock]

Danny Manning would have had Jamar Samuels in the NBA by now.  Your coaches are terrible at developing big men. 

Well, he is the big man whisperer.

eff this.  Danny makes gold bricks out of Gold boullion.   I'll give him credit for recruiting elite bigs but for developing them, psst, they were all badasses to begin with.

          


How's Wally Judge doing these days?

[Mixed-Nutz]

Ku system inflates post numbers...puts them in good positions, Danny is a good bigs coach but not head a shoulders above anybody else on developing them, no one is, Best argument for him is he is very good evaluator.

[catzacker]

I'm thinking when it came right down to it last Spring, and our staff HAD to have known PG was a concern, we went out and got Jeremy Jones, a potentially decent role player as an instant offense type but not a full time high major PG by any means.

I guess I can see the point of saying we just had a lot of bad luck leading up to that situation, but once in it, not much effort was made to improve it.

I don't think it was "bad luck" at all. And I think it goes back further than just last spring. By the time you get to spring it's too late. The problem was Myles and Omari instead of Rosario or Fontan more than it was Jones, IMO. So I pretty much agree with everything you're saying, just disagree on the timeline. I also think I'm a little more comfortable with where we are. We still have a really good shot at the tourney. I don't think a year like that after losing an All League PG and a very solid low post scorer is unreasonable at this point.

I agree that this staff's hs evals are good (probably even say really good), however the closing part is kind of a big deal.  the players we end(ed) up with because we couldn't close the deal are why we are in the position we're in.  coupled with awful juco recruiting.  

Thanks for the lesson on why closing is important. I'd never considered that.

neither has frank, apparently.

[kougar24]

Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.

I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.

Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways. 

A% down.
TO% up.

And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.

um, his Assist% is up (15.6 to 16.9) and TO% is down (21.2 to 18.0). Last year he shot 37% from three, this year he has shot 36.4 while taking a lot more. His twos are way lower, but pretty much everything else has improved or stayed about the same.

In comparison, freshman Pullen to sophomore Pullen went from 30% to 33% from three, 49.6% to 43.6% from two, had his assist % go from 25.1 to 21.4, his FTR go from 34.2 to 31.0, and didn't improve his turnovers.

Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.

[MakeItRain]

It's fair to say Jamar is Jamar because it's his 4th year and we've seen it.

But there is no reason to think he would have just "been Jamar" with a different staff.

Actually gonna agree with OregonHawk on his most recent post.

That Jamar would/could have been a NBA big?  My god Beems was being facetious and you are really stupid if you think Jamar could be an NBA big under any circumstance

[catzacker]

Danny Manning would have had Jamar Samuels in the NBA by now.  Your coaches are terrible at developing big men. 

Well, he is the big man whisperer.

eff this.  Danny makes gold bricks out of Gold boullion.   I'll give him credit for recruiting elite bigs but for developing them, psst, they were all badasses to begin with.

          


How's Wally Judge doing these days?

I hear he's hanging out with Micah Downs.

[OregonSmock]

Doug Gottlieb just validated my point on Petro's show.  Sorry, grapes.  You lose (again). 

[Underdog Wildcat]

And I think it goes back further than just last spring. By the time you get to spring it's too late.

Which is exactly why I originally said, it's a tough situation 3 years in the making.

And I realize he's probably the exception more than the rule, but Pierre Jackson was available last Spring.

But probably LOL at trying to out-recruit Baylor.

[michigancat]

Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.

I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.

Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.  

A% down.
TO% up.

And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.

um, his Assist% is up (15.6 to 16.9) and TO% is down (21.2 to 18.0). Last year he shot 37% from three, this year he has shot 36.4 while taking a lot more. His twos are way lower, but pretty much everything else has improved or stayed about the same.

In comparison, freshman Pullen to sophomore Pullen went from 30% to 33% from three, 49.6% to 43.6% from two, had his assist % go from 25.1 to 21.4, his FTR go from 34.2 to 31.0, and didn't improve his turnovers.

Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.

Gotcha.

Compare:

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas-state/jacob-pullen?per_game=1&tempo_neutral=1&totals=1&plusminus=1&game_type=2&chart1=points_avg&chart2=minutes_avg&chart3=fg_pct

[kso_FAN]

Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.

If you are going to do that, you'll find that Pullen's "regression" from his FR to SO year in conf only stats was similar (if not worse) in nearly every single area you are comparing. I'm not saying WIll will be Pullen, but sophmore guards with increased roles tend to have some regressions in their numbers.

[michigancat]

Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.

If you are going to do that, you'll find that Pullen's "regression" from his FR to SO year in conf only stats was similar (if not worse) in nearly every single area you are comparing. I'm not saying WIll will be Pullen, but sophmore guards with increased roles tend to have some regressions in their numbers.

I think what kougs is trying to say is that Frank's players don't improve, and Pullen and Spradling are both perfect examples of that.

[Cire]

seff is very good at hiding/limiting his talent early so that they don't blow up.  It's unforgivable that trob and withey didn't play more last year.  They didn't become studs over the summer.

Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.

I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.

Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.

Tay is going through a Frankhouse phase. He was really pretty solid in Big 12 play until the last 4 games and somehow Southwell moved into his minutes. I think after this last game we'll go back to seeing more of Tay, but he's been a solid 20 minute player most of this season.

And I think its fair to say Jamar is Jamar. I think there is only so much that can be done with certain players and Frand loves what he brings.

Danny Manning would have had Jamar Samuels in the NBA by now.  Your coaches are terrible at developing big men.  

yeah, Danny's done a fanstic job with the #29 (marcus), #49 (the other morris), # 31 (nmt), and # 36 (jeffrey) players in their respective classes.  It's a wonder how those top 30/50 kids ever made it to the NBA.

[michigancat]

And I think it goes back further than just last spring. By the time you get to spring it's too late.

Which is exactly why I originally said, it's a tough situation 3 years in the making.

And I realize he's probably the exception more than the rule, but Pierre Jackson was available last Spring.

But probably LOL at trying to out-recruit Baylor.

Disclaimer: this is not an excuse. But I think having Pullen hurt PG recruiting while he was here. It was pretty evident that he wasn't going to give up his spot.

And how many impact Juco PG's are there available in any given spring?

[MakeItRain]

Doug Gottlieb just validated my point on Petro's show.  Sorry, grapes.  You lose (again). 

So mean, its like internet terrorism

[kougar24]

Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.

If you are going to do that, you'll find that Pullen's "regression" from his FR to SO year in conf only stats was similar (if not worse) in nearly every single area you are comparing. I'm not saying WIll will be Pullen, but sophmore guards with increased roles tend to have some regressions in their numbers.

Sure, I'll buy the sophomore slump. Then show me all the improvement beyond soph year guys not named Pullen have made under Frank.