yup, pretty crazy that a true freshman would struggle against a senior with taylor's experience. shocker. thanks for the great thread guys.
Holly Rowe is sure putting on the LBs. Getting in game shape for the big one?
I am long term #teamangel, but my god he has ben bad tonightHe's not getting a lot of rotate help on defense when Taylor drives past. Then again Taylor has done that to a lot of Big 12 defenses this season.
0-8 from the field and 7 TOs :chainsaw:
0-8 from the field and 7 TOs :chainsaw:
Why did Frank keep putting him back in there? I don't understand that.
Other than Rusty and Clams, I hope everyone that posted in this thread dies.
Other than Rusty and Clams, I hope everyone that posted in this thread dies.
Tay did get a chance. And was worse than Angel. Angel played good defense and wasn't taking any crap out there. And against elite defensive teams, you just have to put the ball on the floor to create offense at times. Angel is the only one on the team that can do that.
FixedOther than Rusty and Clams (and Pendergast), I hope everyone that posted in this thread dies.
eff off asshat.
Tay did get a chance. And was worse than Angel. Angel played good defense and wasn't taking any crap out there. And against elite defensive teams, you just have to put the ball on the floor to create offense at times. Angel is the only one on the team that can do that.
Tay did get a chance. And was worse than Angel. Angel played good defense and wasn't taking any crap out there. And against elite defensive teams, you just have to put the ball on the floor to create offense at times. Angel is the only one on the team that can do that.
FixedOther than Rusty and Clams (and Pendergast), I hope everyone that posted in this thread dies.
eff off asshat.
Tay did get a chance. And was worse than Angel. Angel played good defense and wasn't taking any crap out there. And against elite defensive teams, you just have to put the ball on the floor to create offense at times. Angel is the only one on the team that can do that.
Tay did get a chance. And was worse than Angel. Angel played good defense and wasn't taking any crap out there. And against elite defensive teams, you just have to put the ball on the floor to create offense at times. Angel is the only one on the team that can do that.
you mean Angel is the only one that TRIES to do it. He didn't do it tonight. he didn't create crap other than turnovers. As i've said, it's painful because i know he's our future but eff i wish he'd learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same stupid crap over and rough ridin' over.
What's the score if Tay plays Angels minutes?
No, he createdopportunitiesturnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover.
What's the score if Tay plays Angels minutes?
No, he createdopportunitiesturnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover.
Fixed it for you.
What's the score if Tay plays Angels minutes?
68-58 KU
What's the score if Tay plays Angels minutes?
What if it rained skittles?
THIS
No, he createdopportunitiesturnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover.
Fixed it for you.
We didn't have a better option. Not sure why this is confusing. :dunno:
A) Angel is giving Frank blowies.
B) Frank is pissed at Angel for something or other and he wanted to make him looks stupid on national TV for two hours straight.
I love Angel Rodriguez. Hopefully he sticks around for a few more years. TSC!
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A) Angel is giving Frank blowies.
B) Frank is pissed at Angel for something or other and he wanted to make him looks stupid on national TV for two hours straight.
what if it's both and they're related? :surprised:
No, he createdopportunitiesturnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover.
Fixed it for you.
We didn't have a better option. Not sure why this is confusing. :dunno:
What's the score if Tay plays Angels minutes?
68-58 KU
but fewer mistakes! :ksu:
I love Angel Rodriguez. Hopefully he sticks around for a few more years. TSC!
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Yeah his O was absolute :flush: tonight. Thoughts on his defense? Thought he did ok but haven't watched to many ku games to compare with
No, he createdopportunitiesturnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover.
Fixed it for you.
We didn't have a better option. Not sure why this is confusing. :dunno:
eff this. Angel is playing because he is our future, not because he played better than someone else could have. Figure it the eff out. he was rough ridin' horrible tonight and to defend him is ludicrous. Frank was furious with his play, but it's growing pains. I just wish he would rough ridin' learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same crap over and over and rough ridin' over.
spradling's ridiculous floater was the definition of nifty.
I love Angel Rodriguez. Hopefully he sticks around for a few more years. TSC!
:tsc:
Yeah his O was absolute :flush: tonight. Thoughts on his defense? Thought he did ok but haven't watched to many ku games to compare with
Only gave up 20 points to Tyshawn.
:love: :love: :love:
No, he createdopportunitiesturnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover.
Fixed it for you.
We didn't have a better option. Not sure why this is confusing. :dunno:
eff this. Angel is playing because he is our future, not because he played better than someone else could have. Figure it the eff out. he was rough ridin' horrible tonight and to defend him is ludicrous. Frank was furious with his play, but it's growing pains. I just wish he would rough ridin' learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same crap over and over and rough ridin' over.
eff this. Angel is playing because he is our future, not because he played better than someone else could have. Figure it the eff out. he was rough ridin' horrible tonight and to defend him is ludicrous. Frank was furious with his play, but it's growing pains. I just wish he would rough ridin' learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same crap over and over and rough ridin' over.
that's the stupidest thing i have ever readeff this. Angel is playing because he is our future, not because he played better than someone else could have. Figure it the eff out. he was rough ridin' horrible tonight and to defend him is ludicrous. Frank was furious with his play, but it's growing pains. I just wish he would rough ridin' learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same crap over and over and rough ridin' over.
I get the "he's our future" point, and it might be worthwhile to leave him in in a game of less importance. But really, if the point is to develop him, why the eff would he embarrass him for two hours straight like that? It's going to kill his psyche next year when he plays KU. Leaving him in to embarrass himself all night, in my opinion, makes it more likely that he'll suck again next year vs. KU because of a damaged psyche than that he'll come out and kick ass because he's got more experience.
eff this. Angel is playing because he is our future, not because he played better than someone else could have. Figure it the eff out. he was rough ridin' horrible tonight and to defend him is ludicrous. Frank was furious with his play, but it's growing pains. I just wish he would rough ridin' learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same crap over and over and rough ridin' over.
I get the "he's our future" point, and it might be worthwhile to leave him in in a game of less importance. But really, if the point is to develop him, why the eff would he embarrass him for two hours straight like that? It's going to kill his psyche next year when he plays KU. Leaving him in to embarrass himself all night, in my opinion, makes it more likely that he'll suck again next year vs. KU because of a damaged psyche than that he'll come out and kick ass because he's got more experience.
No, he createdopportunitiesturnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover.
Fixed it for you.
We didn't have a better option. Not sure why this is confusing. :dunno:
eff this. Angel is playing because he is our future, not because he played better than someone else could have. Figure it the eff out. he was rough ridin' horrible tonight and to defend him is ludicrous. Frank was furious with his play, but it's growing pains. I just wish he would rough ridin' learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same crap over and over and rough ridin' over.
There may have been fewer turnovers but I don't think the net result would have been better with Tay or Shane taking minutes from Angel. It's like Self isn't going to sit Tyshawn for the random PG after Elijah Johnson just because he has 10 turnovers against MU.
I love Angel Rodriguez. Hopefully he sticks around for a few more years. TSC!
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Yeah his O was absolute :flush: tonight. Thoughts on his defense? Thought he did ok but haven't watched to many ku games to compare with
Only gave up 20 points to Tyshawn.
:love: :love: :love:
Beems, don't need jedi mind tricks in Angel argument threads. :shakesfist:
eff this. Angel is playing because he is our future, not because he played better than someone else could have. Figure it the eff out. he was rough ridin' horrible tonight and to defend him is ludicrous. Frank was furious with his play, but it's growing pains. I just wish he would rough ridin' learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same crap over and over and rough ridin' over.
I get the "he's our future" point, and it might be worthwhile to leave him in in a game of less importance. But really, if the point is to develop him, why the eff would he embarrass him for two hours straight like that? It's going to kill his psyche next year when he plays KU. Leaving him in to embarrass himself all night, in my opinion, makes it more likely that he'll suck again next year vs. KU because of a damaged psyche than that he'll come out and kick ass because he's got more experience.
eff this. Angel is playing because he is our future, not because he played better than someone else could have. Figure it the eff out. he was rough ridin' horrible tonight and to defend him is ludicrous. Frank was furious with his play, but it's growing pains. I just wish he would rough ridin' learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same crap over and over and rough ridin' over.
I get the "he's our future" point, and it might be worthwhile to leave him in in a game of less importance. But really, if the point is to develop him, why the eff would he embarrass him for two hours straight like that? It's going to kill his psyche next year when he plays KU. Leaving him in to embarrass himself all night, in my opinion, makes it more likely that he'll suck again next year vs. KU because of a damaged psyche than that he'll come out and kick ass because he's got more experience.
that's the stupidest thing i have ever read
What? The? eff? Angel was aggressive and pissed all game. Kill his psyche? No sir.
The only people who ever worry or should worry about bullshit like that are the parents of 8-10 year olds.
No, he createdopportunitiesturnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover.
Fixed it for you.
We didn't have a better option. Not sure why this is confusing. :dunno:
eff this. Angel is playing because he is our future, not because he played better than someone else could have. Figure it the eff out. he was rough ridin' horrible tonight and to defend him is ludicrous. Frank was furious with his play, but it's growing pains. I just wish he would rough ridin' learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same crap over and over and rough ridin' over.
There may have been fewer turnovers but I don't think the net result would have been better with Tay or Shane taking minutes from Angel. It's like Self isn't going to sit Tyshawn for the random PG after Elijah Johnson just because he has 10 turnovers against MU.
that's the stupidest thing i have ever read
maybe :dunno:Quote from: PendergastWhat? The? eff? Angel was aggressive and pissed all game. Kill his psyche? No sir.
How'd that work out for him? (rough ridin' awful on offense is the answer, btw.)
I'm not disagreeing. We likely wouldn't have won but who knows. His play was awful. we can't win with pg play like that....won't happen.
Freshmen point guards.
When was the last time KU started a freshman at point? Miles, I'd guess.
Recruiting misses at guard is killing us. Really wish we had a shooting guard coming in.
I will say this....if our pg would have had 7 assists, 3 turnovers and 6 points, we would have won this game.
Was his defense that good? He guarded Tyshawn a lot, and Tyshawn had a pretty solid line. :dunno:
It is reasonable to say that we need Angel to play well for us to be good, but I think it is unreasonable to leave him on the floor and have the offense running through him when he is playing so poorly on offense.
Was his defense that good? He guarded Tyshawn a lot, and Tyshawn had a pretty solid line. :dunno:
I'm not disagreeing. We likely wouldn't have won but who knows. His play was awful. we can't win with pg play like that....won't happen.
Actually considering we only lost by 6 we could have very easily won w/ PG play like that.
What's the score if Tay plays Angels minutes?
If our pg had 28 pts 10 assists and 38 rb we would have won too
I would have like to see Tay take more of Spradling's minutes, honestly. When he's not hitting shots and taking charges, he's pretty worthless. I think he just needs more confidence, but it's hard to gain confidence when you are afraid to take open shots.
Why aren't people asking about Tay playing Will's minutes, did I miss something about his game?
His defense was not good. Neither was his offense. He sucked tonight and the angeltards who can't admit that are rough ridin' idiots. He sucked. He wasn't the only one, but he was the worst at a position we can't afford to be awful at. Just because he rolled on the floor with NMT doesn't mean he is going to be a good point guard. His decision making when he isn't driving the lane is entirely worse than pullen when he was a freshman.
I'm not disagreeing. We likely wouldn't have won but who knows. His play was awful. we can't win with pg play like that....won't happen.
Actually considering we only lost by 6 we could have very easily won w/ PG play like that.
Not sure I understand your argument....we DIDN"T win. What am I missing?
eff this. Angel is playing because he is our future, not because he played better than someone else could have. Figure it the eff out. he was rough ridin' horrible tonight and to defend him is ludicrous. Frank was furious with his play, but it's growing pains. I just wish he would rough ridin' learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same crap over and over and rough ridin' over.
I get the "he's our future" point, and it might be worthwhile to leave him in in a game of less importance. But really, if the point is to develop him, why the eff would he embarrass him for two hours straight like that? It's going to kill his psyche next year when he plays KU. Leaving him in to embarrass himself all night, in my opinion, makes it more likely that he'll suck again next year vs. KU because of a damaged psyche than that he'll come out and kick ass because he's got more experience.
The only people who ever worry or should worry about bullshit like that are the parents of 8-10 year olds.
Freshmen point guards.
When was the last time KU started a freshman at point? Miles, I'd guess.
Recruiting misses at guard is killing us. Really wish we had a shooting guard coming in.
A million times this. Misses and running guys off the last few years have led to us having to count on a freshman pg. Its prob going to cost us the tourney.
Tyshawn Taylor started 33 games his freshman year. Technically fat Sherron was the point guard. Could you imagine how good Angel would be this year if he got to play next to Sherron instead of Will?
Angel played terribly tonight. Growing pains.
Why aren't people asking about Tay playing Will's minutes, did I miss something about his game?
Will kept the team in the game from what I saw. That's why, mostly.
Rusty, you have to be rough ridin' stupid to think it was just below average. It was rough ridin' awful. Decision making has nothing to do with who you are playimg with. Making a post entry bounce pass through 3 defenders is rough ridin' atupid no matter if it's going to jamar or beasley. JFC if you idiots can't even admit angel was dogshit tonight.
His defense was not good. Neither was his offense. He sucked tonight and the angeltards who can't admit that are rough ridin' idiots. He sucked. He wasn't the only one, but he was the worst at a position we can't afford to be awful at. Just because he rolled on the floor with NMT doesn't mean he is going to be a good point guard. His decision making when he isn't driving the lane is entirely worse than pullen when he was a freshman.
Why aren't people asking about Tay playing Will's minutes, did I miss something about his game?
Will kept the team in the game from what I saw. That's why, mostly.
You're getting mesmerized by two good plays. Guard play offensively was awful, Will doesn't get exempted, he was 4-13 for gods sake.
Tyshawn Taylor started 33 games his freshman year. Technically fat Sherron was the point guard. Could you imagine how good Angel would be this year if he got to play next to Sherron instead of Will?
Why all the hate for Will?
Tyshawn Taylor started 33 games his freshman year. Technically fat Sherron was the point guard. Could you imagine how good Angel would be this year if he got to play next to Sherron instead of Will?
Why all the hate for Will?
His defense was not good. Neither was his offense. He sucked tonight and the angeltards who can't admit that are rough ridin' idiots. He sucked. He wasn't the only one, but he was the worst at a position we can't afford to be awful at. Just because he rolled on the floor with NMT doesn't mean he is going to be a good point guard. His decision making when he isn't driving the lane is entirely worse than pullen when he was a freshman.
The team defensive effort was the best of the season. Not sure how you can contend that a key cog of that performance was bad. I can guarantee this will be KUs worst eFG game of the season.
Tyshawn Taylor started 33 games his freshman year. Technically fat Sherron was the point guard. Could you imagine how good Angel would be this year if he got to play next to Sherron instead of Will?
Why all the hate for Will?
I hate Will because I think Angel would play better besides the college version of Sherron?
Why aren't people asking about Tay playing Will's minutes, did I miss something about his game?
Will kept the team in the game from what I saw. That's why, mostly.
You're getting mesmerized by two good plays. Guard play offensively was awful, Will doesn't get exempted, he was 4-13 for gods sake.
4 assists and no turnovers. Only steady play tonight. Low percentage, but he was 0-5 from 3. So 50% on his shots inside the arc. He was the best guard, non-exempt or whatever.
Why aren't people asking about Tay playing Will's minutes, did I miss something about his game?
Will kept the team in the game from what I saw. That's why, mostly.
You're getting mesmerized by two good plays. Guard play offensively was awful, Will doesn't get exempted, he was 4-13 for gods sake.
4 assists and no turnovers. Only steady play tonight. Low percentage, but he was 0-5 from 3. So 50% on his shots inside the arc. He was the best guard, non-exempt or whatever.
I refuse to give him a pass for his shooting percentage tonight and his continued lack of aggression. Of those 4 assists 2 of them were passes to a wide open Jamar at the top of the key. I will give him credit for being more aggressive late, but once again he was completely missing for a half+.
Tyshawn Taylor started 33 games his freshman year. Technically fat Sherron was the point guard. Could you imagine how good Angel would be this year if he got to play next to Sherron instead of Will?
Why all the hate for Will?
I hate Will because I think Angel would play better besides the college version of Sherron?
Come on, you've gotten in a shot several times in the past few hours. You really want to play this game?
We have a hard enough time scoring anyway and its clear that any line-up with Will at PG and Tay/Southy/whoever at the 2 just makes it really hard to score, especially against a team as strong defensively as KU. Our only chance to win tonight was a good game (he didn't even have to be great) from Angel and we didn't get that. I do not think a Will at PG and Tay at 2G combo for 30 minutes would've been any better and would've likely been worse. JMHO.
Tyshawn Taylor started 33 games his freshman year. Technically fat Sherron was the point guard. Could you imagine how good Angel would be this year if he got to play next to Sherron instead of Will?
Why all the hate for Will?
I hate Will because I think Angel would play better besides the college version of Sherron?
Come on, you've gotten in a shot several times in the past few hours. You really want to play this game?
Yeah, I want to play this game whatever the hell that means. Will had a bad night offensively, that really can't be argued. I have less of a problem with Will and more of a problem with the role he is forced to play with this team, a role he clearly is not comfortable with. He sucked tonight, doesn't mean I don't like the guy. Get a grip and stop sounding so tuckish.
Its pretty clear Frank thinks our best line-up is Angel, Will, Rod. He's been trying to go that way since the OU game in Norman, and only Angel's foul problems have kept him off the floor.
Tay and Southy get to fight for the scrap minutes between pretty much those three spots right now. Jones would likely be in the mix if he wasn't injured.
I have come to agree that this is the best possible line up to win games, not only for the future, but for this year. Teams have to defend us different with Angel in the game simply because he is a threat to penetrate. We have a hard enough time scoring anyway and its clear that any line-up with Will at PG and Tay/Southy/whoever at the 2 just makes it really hard to score, especially against a team as strong defensively as KU. Our only chance to win tonight was a good game (he didn't even have to be great) from Angel and we didn't get that. I do not think a Will at PG and Tay at 2G combo for 30 minutes would've been any better and would've likely been worse. JMHO.
Will had his fair share of struggles guarding Taylor, but it was when he was on the bench that Taylor hit both of his threes and helped KU go on their run that ultimately won them the game.
JO was pretty good tonight, would have been even better if the guards would have dumped to him for more DOBS
We have a hard enough time scoring anyway and its clear that any line-up with Will at PG and Tay/Southy/whoever at the 2 just makes it really hard to score, especially against a team as strong defensively as KU. Our only chance to win tonight was a good game (he didn't even have to be great) from Angel and we didn't get that. I do not think a Will at PG and Tay at 2G combo for 30 minutes would've been any better and would've likely been worse. JMHO.
Ordinarily I would be inclined to agree with this if not for the fact that we only had 18 rough ridin' points in the first half. At home.
Tyshawn Taylor started 33 games his freshman year. Technically fat Sherron was the point guard. Could you imagine how good Angel would be this year if he got to play next to Sherron instead of Will?
Why all the hate for Will?
I hate Will because I think Angel would play better besides the college version of Sherron?
Come on, you've gotten in a shot several times in the past few hours. You really want to play this game?
Yeah, I want to play this game whatever the hell that means. Will had a bad night offensively, that really can't be argued. I have less of a problem with Will and more of a problem with the role he is forced to play with this team, a role he clearly is not comfortable with. He sucked tonight, doesn't mean I don't like the guy. Get a grip and stop sounding so tuckish.
Your tantrums are tiresome. Belaboring your point until no one cares to respond is the mark of immaturity that you seem to pride yourself on. Get over yourself.
We have a hard enough time scoring anyway and its clear that any line-up with Will at PG and Tay/Southy/whoever at the 2 just makes it really hard to score, especially against a team as strong defensively as KU. Our only chance to win tonight was a good game (he didn't even have to be great) from Angel and we didn't get that. I do not think a Will at PG and Tay at 2G combo for 30 minutes would've been any better and would've likely been worse. JMHO.
Ordinarily I would be inclined to agree with this if not for the fact that we only had 18 rough ridin' points in the first half. At home.
Angel only played 9 minutes in the first half. (he played 18 in the second half)
We have a hard enough time scoring anyway and its clear that any line-up with Will at PG and Tay/Southy/whoever at the 2 just makes it really hard to score, especially against a team as strong defensively as KU. Our only chance to win tonight was a good game (he didn't even have to be great) from Angel and we didn't get that. I do not think a Will at PG and Tay at 2G combo for 30 minutes would've been any better and would've likely been worse. JMHO.
Ordinarily I would be inclined to agree with this if not for the fact that we only had 18 rough ridin' points in the first half. At home.
Angel did nothing wrong on either of the threes. Rodney should have forced the pass and hoped there was a closeout on time.
JO was pretty good tonight, would have been even better if the guards would have dumped to him for more DOBS
Or if frank wouldn't pull him and not put him back in for forever.
Angel did nothing wrong on either of the threes. Rodney should have forced the pass and hoped there was a closeout on time.
Well Frank was ticked after the 2nd one and grabbed Will as quickly as he could've. He also said after the game that Angel shouldn't have taken a chance trying to draw a charge on the push off before the three.
Angel did nothing wrong on either of the threes. Rodney should have forced the pass and hoped there was a closeout on time.
Well Frank was ticked after the 2nd one and grabbed Will as quickly as he could've. He also said after the game that Angel shouldn't have taken a chance trying to draw a charge on the push off before the three.
Angel is great. Please keep him on the roster, Frank.Like, it was the worst game of his season, man.
:pray:
Angel is great. Please keep him on the roster, Frank.
:pray:
Angel only played 9 minutes in the first half. (he played 18 in the second half)
Angel is great. Please keep him on the roster, Frank.
:pray:
Jacob Pullen had 20 points as a true freshman against KU.
Just remember those times and cherish them...
Angel is great. Please keep him on the roster, Frank.
:pray:
I imagine you are 1 of the ones that pile on TT after he has a bad game and say he sucks :flush:
They're both prone to turnovers, at times.Angel is great. Please keep him on the roster, Frank.
:pray:
I imagine you are 1 of the ones that pile on TT after he has a bad game and say he sucks :flush:
Nope. I love Tyshawn Taylor's game. Just an absolute joy to watch. Angel is nothing at all like him in any aspect.
Good call. He is like Denny and Jake put together, you know, but without the best parts.Angel is great. Please keep him on the roster, Frank.
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I imagine you are 1 of the ones that pile on TT after he has a bad game and say he sucks :flush:
Nope. I love Tyshawn Taylor's game. Just an absolute joy to watch. Angel is nothing at all like him in any aspect.
It would of been funny to see how much Denny would be hated on if he played as a freshmen for k-state.
It's kind of like, hey Angel, we're 20 games into you freshman year. You can start getting better any time now.
I feel sorry for Martavious Irving. He's busted his ass for three years on the court and in the weight room for nothing, apparently.
His game has improved dramatically, and he's an excellent defender. Unless he was hurt or being disciplined, you can't justify leaving him on the bench all night (given the circumstances). You just can't. To state otherwise is just absurd. Sorry.I feel sorry for Martavious Irving. He's busted his ass for three years on the court and in the weight room for nothing, apparently.
shoulda busted his ass learning how to dribble, shoot and pass. he was more than muscley enough as freshman.
His game has improved dramatically, and he's a solid player. Unless he was hurt or being disciplined, you can't justify leaving him on the bench all night (given the circumstances). You just can't. To state otherwise is just absurd. Sorry.I feel sorry for Martavious Irving. He's busted his ass for three years on the court and in the weight room for nothing, apparently.
shoulda busted his ass learning how to dribble, shoot and pass. he was more than muscley enough as freshman.
JO was pretty good tonight, would have been even better if the guards would have dumped to him for more DOBS
Or if frank wouldn't pull him and not put him back in for forever.
JO played 26 minutes, Jamar was the only big who played more. Frankly all of the bigs played well. Not sure how anyone could have an issue with the distribution of minutes for the bigs.
Angel is by far the best we've got.
The hard part is wrapping your mind around it.
Angel is by far the best we've got.
The hard part is wrapping your mind around it.
a quick glance at our guard recruiting the past several years makes it easier
What's the score if Tay plays Angels minutes?
Remember how we looked in the second half against UT and the first half tonight? No one penetrating the defense, no one a threat to penetrate the defense, just passing the ball 25 feet out and then throwing up a shot and hope the huge get it. We would have has 35 minutes of that.
Why aren't people asking about Tay playing Will's minutes, did I miss something about his game?
I blame frank. If he can't figure out you shouldn't put in a point guard who can't shoot, turns the ball over, and drives with his head down and no exit strategy then frank is just plain stupid. We were far better with sprads at the point last year. Not because we had pullen but because sprads doesn't turn the ball over. We already know we aren't going to be a great offensive team, so if you aren't going to be great offensively you better protect the ball and play D. we played D, and everyone but AR protected the ball. Plain stupid coaching.
rumor is frank doesn't yell at AR because he is soft and can't take it. If he is that pussified kick his ass off the team.
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idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it, are rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and need to go back to kstatefans/gpc.
thx for leaving, you rough ridin' dumbasses. we don't need the $.04 cents you generate from google ads.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
Whose fault is this?
This didn't have to be Angel's team YET, a tough situation 3 years in the making.
I blame frank. If he can't figure out you shouldn't put in a point guard who can't shoot, turns the ball over, and drives with his head down and no exit strategy then frank is just plain stupid. We were far better with sprads at the point last year. Not because we had pullen but because sprads doesn't turn the ball over. We already know we aren't going to be a great offensive team, so if you aren't going to be great offensively you better protect the ball and play D. we played D, and everyone but AR protected the ball. Plain stupid coaching.
rumor is frank doesn't yell at AR because he is soft and can't take it. If he is that pussified kick his ass off the team.
:chainsaw: :curse: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:
The first half was terrible, but we played our best with Angel at the point in the 2nd half. I'm not sure if people really watched our offense when Angel wasn't in the game. There are opponents where we can get by with Will at PG, KU is not one of them.
We also played 11 first half minutes without Angel in the game and our offense wasn't any better.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it, are rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and need to go back to kstatefans/gpc.
thx for leaving, you rough ridin' dumbasses. we don't need the $.04 cents you generate from google ads.
Idiots who can't admit Angel was a complete liability last night are trying way too hard to be (what they see as) anti-tuck.
I guess turning the ball over 7 of our 11 times is acceptable. My bad. :tuckingshirtbackin:
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
Whose fault is this?
This didn't have to be Angel's team YET, a tough situation 3 years in the making.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
Whose fault is this?
This didn't have to be Angel's team YET, a tough situation 3 years in the making.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it, are rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and need to go back to kstatefans/gpc.
thx for leaving, you rough ridin' dumbasses. we don't need the $.04 cents you generate from google ads.
Idiots who can't admit Angel was a complete liability last night are trying way too hard to be (what they see as) anti-tuck.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
Whose fault is this?
This didn't have to be Angel's team YET, a tough situation 3 years in the making.
Good question. This line up just isn't built to have a PG like Will, but I don't think Frank's teams in general are either. We've talked plenty about Frank's multi combo guard system, but with a primary ball handler who can get to the rim. Ultimately I suppose you have to say recruiting is to blame because it's clear that Angel is the best we have available.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
Whose fault is this?
This didn't have to be Angel's team YET, a tough situation 3 years in the making.
Good question. This line up just isn't built to have a PG like Will, but I don't think Frank's teams in general are either. We've talked plenty about Frank's multi combo guard system, but with a primary ball handler who can get to the rim. Ultimately I suppose you have to say recruiting is to blame because it's clear that Angel is the best we have available.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
Whose fault is this?
This didn't have to be Angel's team YET, a tough situation 3 years in the making.
Good question. This line up just isn't built to have a PG like Will, but I don't think Frank's teams in general are either. We've talked plenty about Frank's multi combo guard system, but with a primary ball handler who can get to the rim. Ultimately I suppose you have to say recruiting is to blame because it's clear that Angel is the best we have available.
This absolutely is a recruiting issue and inadequately adressing the guard position in the previous two classes is the real culprit.
Angel will hopefully get better but the burden should not all be on his shoulders.
But, this is what happens when you address the guard position in 2009 by a recruiting class that consists of Martavious Irving and Nick Russell and in 2010 with Juevol Myles and Will Spradling and I guess Shane Southwell (who isn't a guard) and then proceed to run two of the four off. Then in 2011 mix in a JUCO guard that sits on the bench.
We've seen this coming.
Angel is really good. He played poorly against KU, but he's the best we have and that's not really a bad thing.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
Whose fault is this?
This didn't have to be Angel's team YET, a tough situation 3 years in the making.
Good question. This line up just isn't built to have a PG like Will, but I don't think Frank's teams in general are either. We've talked plenty about Frank's multi combo guard system, but with a primary ball handler who can get to the rim. Ultimately I suppose you have to say recruiting is to blame because it's clear that Angel is the best we have available.
This absolutely is a recruiting issue and inadequately adressing the guard position in the previous two classes is the real culprit.
Angel will hopefully get better but the burden should not all be on his shoulders.
But, this is what happens when you address the guard position in 2009 by a recruiting class that consists of Martavious Irving and Nick Russell and in 2010 with Juevol Myles and Will Spradling and I guess Shane Southwell (who isn't a guard) and then proceed to run two of the four off. Then in 2011 mix in a JUCO guard that sits on the bench.
We've seen this coming.
True, its not a complete surprise.
I think its more missing out than the Franking though, its not like we've Franked a lot of guys that you can say would've been able to compete with Angel. I mean the best option at PG that was run was probably Myles? Russell?
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
Whose fault is this?
This didn't have to be Angel's team YET, a tough situation 3 years in the making.
It's the fault of Jio Fontan and Mike Rosario. :frown:
Angel is really good. He played poorly against KU, but he's the best we have and that's not really a bad thing.
it's much easier for them to look at the problems with our offense and attempt to diagnose the issues and then place blame on a single individual (angel) without looking at and understanding the big picture. it's a simple and emotional response.
angel did some good and bad things last night.
ultimately, this team, with angel, was in a position at the end that they could have won a game last night. things didn't go our way but there's no reason to hang the freshman because of it. and dipshits that want to need to be put in their place.
Although, had he not been Franked, I believe Nick would have given some decent minutes this year especially with Jeremy Jones' mystery injury.
That's why I blamed frank. We won't be any better next year either since we didn't land a guard this year.
FWIW, I agree Tay should've played more, but instead of Southwell, not Angel. No reason for Southy's 17 minutes given what he gave us last night.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
Whose fault is this?
This didn't have to be Angel's team YET, a tough situation 3 years in the making.
It's the fault of Jio Fontan and Mike Rosario. :frown:
DJO played JC ball 2 hrs down the road from MHK, we didn't even bat an eye towards him, it's not the specific players we missed on, it's the actual roster needs and potential holes that need be better identified and addressed.
Angel should have been benched the 2nd half. No, he doesn't suck, but he was crap last night and you gotta go with what is working, and he wasn't working. He as just tossing up volleyball serves to Whithey. Our bigs were doing good last night, JO, Gip, Jamar, and yet we kept letting Angel and Sprads take crap.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
Whose fault is this?
This didn't have to be Angel's team YET, a tough situation 3 years in the making.
Good question. This line up just isn't built to have a PG like Will, but I don't think Frank's teams in general are either. We've talked plenty about Frank's multi combo guard system, but with a primary ball handler who can get to the rim. Ultimately I suppose you have to say recruiting is to blame because it's clear that Angel is the best we have available.
This absolutely is a recruiting issue and inadequately adressing the guard position in the previous two classes is the real culprit.
Angel will hopefully get better but the burden should not all be on his shoulders.
But, this is what happens when you address the guard position in 2009 by a recruiting class that consists of Martavious Irving and Nick Russell and in 2010 with Juevol Myles and Will Spradling and I guess Shane Southwell (who isn't a guard) and then proceed to run two of the four off. Then in 2011 mix in a JUCO guard that sits on the bench.
We've seen this coming.
True, its not a complete surprise.
I think its more missing out than the Franking though, its not like we've Franked a lot of guys that you can say would've been able to compete with Angel. I mean the best option at PG that was run was probably Myles? Russell?
Yeah, it's more of a not being a being able to recruit a point guard problem.
Although, had he not been Franked, I believe Nick would have given some decent minutes this year especially with Jeremy Jones' mystery injury.
idiots that can't realize that angel isn't to blame for our offense being completely broken, and instead is actually the one option frank has to help fix it.
Whose fault is this?
This didn't have to be Angel's team YET, a tough situation 3 years in the making.
It's the fault of Jio Fontan and Mike Rosario. :frown:
DJO played JC ball 2 hrs down the road from MHK, we didn't even bat an eye towards him, it's not the specific players we missed on, it's the actual roster needs and potential holes that need be better identified and addressed.
I thought we looked at DJO. I agree that Frank should have managed the guard situation better.
Angel should have been benched the 2nd half. No, he doesn't suck, but he was crap last night and you gotta go with what is working, and he wasn't working. He as just tossing up volleyball serves to Whithey. Our bigs were doing good last night, JO, Gip, Jamar, and yet we kept letting Angel and Sprads take crap.
Angel should have been benched the 2nd half. No, he doesn't suck, but he was crap last night and you gotta go with what is working, and he wasn't working. He as just tossing up volleyball serves to Whithey. Our bigs were doing good last night, JO, Gip, Jamar, and yet we kept letting Angel and Sprads take crap.
Again, if this was the option, who plays?
Angel should have been benched the 2nd half. No, he doesn't suck, but he was crap last night and you gotta go with what is working, and he wasn't working. He as just tossing up volleyball serves to Whithey. Our bigs were doing good last night, JO, Gip, Jamar, and yet we kept letting Angel and Sprads take crap.
Again, if this was the option, who plays?
Irving got what, 5 minutes last night?
Angel should have been benched the 2nd half. No, he doesn't suck, but he was crap last night and you gotta go with what is working, and he wasn't working. He as just tossing up volleyball serves to Whithey. Our bigs were doing good last night, JO, Gip, Jamar, and yet we kept letting Angel and Sprads take crap.
Again, if this was the option, who plays?
Irving got what, 5 minutes last night?
when angel out manned Thomas Robinson for the jump ball and then Thomas Robinson acted all hurt for a bit like Angel was too rough with him I smiled ear to ear.
when angel out manned Thomas Robinson for the jump ball and then Thomas Robinson acted all hurt for a bit like Angel was too rough with him I smiled ear to ear.
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also:
Jamar Samuels: +5
Martvious Irving: +2
Angel Rodriguez: +1
Will Spradling: 0
Jordan Henriquez: -1
Victor Ojeleye: -2
Rodney McGruder: -4
Adrian Diaz: -6
Thomas Gipson: -8
Shane Southwell: -17
No, he createdopportunitiesturnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover after turnover.
Fixed it for you.
We didn't have a better option. Not sure why this is confusing. :dunno:
eff this. Angel is playing because he is our future, not because he played better than someone else could have. Figure it the eff out. he was rough ridin' horrible tonight and to defend him is ludicrous. Frank was furious with his play, but it's growing pains. I just wish he would rough ridin' learn from his mistakes instead of doing the same crap over and over and rough ridin' over.
When we are starting a freshman at point guard and a senior and junior at the posts, it makes sense to address the post first. Angel will be much better next season and Spradling will only be a junior. Complain when Frank doesn't recruit a guard in 2013.
This isn't about Angel. This is about recruiting failures and roster management having forced us into relying solely on a true freshman when we shouldn't be.
This isn't about Angel. This is about recruiting failures and roster management having forced us into relying solely on a true freshman when we shouldn't be.
(But it's also kinda about Angel.)
When we are starting a freshman at point guard and a senior and junior at the posts, it makes sense to address the post first. Angel will be much better next season and Spradling will only be a junior. Complain when Frank doesn't recruit a guard in 2013.
I'm confused. What does recruiting a PG in 2013 that have to do with not recruiting a high impact point guard in the last two classes?
Notice that the the top three teams in the Big XII all have upperclassmen at the point. It's not a coincidence.
This isn't about Angel. This is about recruiting failures and roster management having forced us into relying solely on a true freshman when we shouldn't be.
This isn't about Angel. This is about recruiting failures and roster management having forced us into relying solely on a true freshman when we shouldn't be.
(But it's also kinda about Angel.)
Yeah, he goes through periods where he shows flashes of brilliance and then completely blows ass. He's a freshman, he's wildly inconsistent, but as has been hashed out a 1000 times, Frank obviously thinks he gives us the best chance to win because he's the best we've got.
The bigger picture is a true freshman shouldn't be the best we've got.
When we are starting a freshman at point guard and a senior and junior at the posts, it makes sense to address the post first. Angel will be much better next season and Spradling will only be a junior. Complain when Frank doesn't recruit a guard in 2013.
I'm confused. What does recruiting a PG in 2013 that have to do with not recruiting a high impact point guard in the last two classes?
Notice that the the top three teams in the Big XII all have upperclassmen at the point. It's not a coincidence.
This isn't about Angel. This is about recruiting failures and roster management having forced us into relying solely on a true freshman when we shouldn't be.
Frank has recruited Angel, Spradling, and Irving in the last three classes. Angel is going to be very good. Spradling and Irving are both solid role players.
When we are starting a freshman at point guard and a senior and junior at the posts, it makes sense to address the post first. Angel will be much better next season and Spradling will only be a junior. Complain when Frank doesn't recruit a guard in 2013.
I'm confused. What does recruiting a PG in 2013 that have to do with not recruiting a high impact point guard in the last two classes?
Notice that the the top three teams in the Big XII all have upperclassmen at the point. It's not a coincidence.
This isn't about Angel. This is about recruiting failures and roster management having forced us into relying solely on a true freshman when we shouldn't be.
Frank has recruited Angel, Spradling, and Irving in the last three classes. Angel is going to be very good. Spradling and Irving are both solid role players.
Sprads and Tay are solid role players, we all know that, that's not being debated. A lot of us see potential in Angel and hope he can consistently get better throughout his career, but it's pretty clear he's not a primetime, lead guard yet.
The issue is, why don't we have that difference making lead guard on our roster this year? Hindsight is always 20/20 but a lot of us are lamenting the fact that our staff did not ID the need to have a dynamic, difference making guard either already in the system or ready to make an immediate impact for the 11/12 team.
Obviously, those types of players are highly coveted throughout the country and aren't just on any random street corner, but it's our staff's job to ID those kids early and convince hopefully 1 at least to come play ball for the KSU Cats.
Not saying there isn't hope for the future, because I believe there is, but it would have been ideal to establish more continuity for the program this year through better recruiting and roster management that took place in the past.
When we are starting a freshman at point guard and a senior and junior at the posts, it makes sense to address the post first. Angel will be much better next season and Spradling will only be a junior. Complain when Frank doesn't recruit a guard in 2013.
I'm confused. What does recruiting a PG in 2013 that have to do with not recruiting a high impact point guard in the last two classes?
Notice that the the top three teams in the Big XII all have upperclassmen at the point. It's not a coincidence.
This isn't about Angel. This is about recruiting failures and roster management having forced us into relying solely on a true freshman when we shouldn't be.
Frank has recruited Angel, Spradling, and Irving in the last three classes. Angel is going to be very good. Spradling and Irving are both solid role players.
Sprads and Tay are solid role players, we all know that, that's not being debated. A lot of us see potential in Angel and hope he can consistently get better throughout his career, but it's pretty clear he's not a primetime, lead guard yet.
The issue is, why don't we have that difference making lead guard on our roster this year? Hindsight is always 20/20 but a lot of us are lamenting the fact that our staff did not ID the need to have a dynamic, difference making guard either already in the system or ready to make an immediate impact for the 11/12 team.
Obviously, those types of players are highly coveted throughout the country and aren't just on any random street corner, but it's our staff's job to ID those kids early and convince hopefully 1 at least to come play ball for the KSU Cats.
Not saying there isn't hope for the future, because I believe there is, but it would have been ideal to establish more continuity for the program this year through better recruiting and roster management that took place in the past.
When we are starting a freshman at point guard and a senior and junior at the posts, it makes sense to address the post first. Angel will be much better next season and Spradling will only be a junior. Complain when Frank doesn't recruit a guard in 2013.
I'm confused. What does recruiting a PG in 2013 that have to do with not recruiting a high impact point guard in the last two classes?
Notice that the the top three teams in the Big XII all have upperclassmen at the point. It's not a coincidence.
This isn't about Angel. This is about recruiting failures and roster management having forced us into relying solely on a true freshman when we shouldn't be.
Frank has recruited Angel, Spradling, and Irving in the last three classes. Angel is going to be very good. Spradling and Irving are both solid role players.
Sprads and Tay are solid role players, we all know that, that's not being debated. A lot of us see potential in Angel and hope he can consistently get better throughout his career, but it's pretty clear he's not a primetime, lead guard yet.
The issue is, why don't we have that difference making lead guard on our roster this year? Hindsight is always 20/20 but a lot of us are lamenting the fact that our staff did not ID the need to have a dynamic, difference making guard either already in the system or ready to make an immediate impact for the 11/12 team.
Obviously, those types of players are highly coveted throughout the country and aren't just on any random street corner, but it's our staff's job to ID those kids early and convince hopefully 1 at least to come play ball for the KSU Cats.
Not saying there isn't hope for the future, because I believe there is, but it would have been ideal to establish more continuity for the program this year through better recruiting and roster management that took place in the past.
The staff probably thought they had that with Nick Russell. He ended up being a bust. That is why we are starting a freshman this year. I'm happy with what our guard situation will be next year, though.
When we are starting a freshman at point guard and a senior and junior at the posts, it makes sense to address the post first. Angel will be much better next season and Spradling will only be a junior. Complain when Frank doesn't recruit a guard in 2013.
I'm confused. What does recruiting a PG in 2013 that have to do with not recruiting a high impact point guard in the last two classes?
Notice that the the top three teams in the Big XII all have upperclassmen at the point. It's not a coincidence.
This isn't about Angel. This is about recruiting failures and roster management having forced us into relying solely on a true freshman when we shouldn't be.
Frank has recruited Angel, Spradling, and Irving in the last three classes. Angel is going to be very good. Spradling and Irving are both solid role players.
Sprads and Tay are solid role players, we all know that, that's not being debated. A lot of us see potential in Angel and hope he can consistently get better throughout his career, but it's pretty clear he's not a primetime, lead guard yet.
The issue is, why don't we have that difference making lead guard on our roster this year? Hindsight is always 20/20 but a lot of us are lamenting the fact that our staff did not ID the need to have a dynamic, difference making guard either already in the system or ready to make an immediate impact for the 11/12 team.
Obviously, those types of players are highly coveted throughout the country and aren't just on any random street corner, but it's our staff's job to ID those kids early and convince hopefully 1 at least to come play ball for the KSU Cats.
Not saying there isn't hope for the future, because I believe there is, but it would have been ideal to establish more continuity for the program this year through better recruiting and roster management that took place in the past.
The staff probably thought they had that with Nick Russell. He ended up being a bust. That is why we are starting a freshman this year. I'm happy with what our guard situation will be next year, though.
Which goes directly to poor scouting on the staff's part.
You could also look at Devon Peterson. or Jeremy Jones, Or Omari Lawrence. I really hope they didn't foresse Sprads as a lead guard type, there were some murmurings about that.
Lack of foresight or poor scouting? It's really got to be 1 or of the other.
When we are starting a freshman at point guard and a senior and junior at the posts, it makes sense to address the post first. Angel will be much better next season and Spradling will only be a junior. Complain when Frank doesn't recruit a guard in 2013.
I'm confused. What does recruiting a PG in 2013 that have to do with not recruiting a high impact point guard in the last two classes?
Notice that the the top three teams in the Big XII all have upperclassmen at the point. It's not a coincidence.
This isn't about Angel. This is about recruiting failures and roster management having forced us into relying solely on a true freshman when we shouldn't be.
Frank has recruited Angel, Spradling, and Irving in the last three classes. Angel is going to be very good. Spradling and Irving are both solid role players.
Sprads and Tay are solid role players, we all know that, that's not being debated. A lot of us see potential in Angel and hope he can consistently get better throughout his career, but it's pretty clear he's not a primetime, lead guard yet.
The issue is, why don't we have that difference making lead guard on our roster this year? Hindsight is always 20/20 but a lot of us are lamenting the fact that our staff did not ID the need to have a dynamic, difference making guard either already in the system or ready to make an immediate impact for the 11/12 team.
Obviously, those types of players are highly coveted throughout the country and aren't just on any random street corner, but it's our staff's job to ID those kids early and convince hopefully 1 at least to come play ball for the KSU Cats.
Not saying there isn't hope for the future, because I believe there is, but it would have been ideal to establish more continuity for the program this year through better recruiting and roster management that took place in the past.
The staff probably thought they had that with Nick Russell. He ended up being a bust. That is why we are starting a freshman this year. I'm happy with what our guard situation will be next year, though.
Which goes directly to poor scouting on the staff's part.
You could also look at Devon Peterson. or Jeremy Jones, Or Omari Lawrence. I really hope they didn't foresse Sprads as a lead guard type, there were some murmurings about that.
Lack of foresight or poor scouting? It's really got to be 1 or of the other.
That's why I blamed frank. We won't be any better next year either since we didn't land a guard this year.
Fair enough, but you don't think any of our guards will get better? Blame Frank for Franking, but guys he keeps around tend to get better.
That's why I blamed frank. We won't be any better next year either since we didn't land a guard this year.
Fair enough, but you don't think any of our guards will get better? Blame Frank for Franking, but guys he keeps around tend to get better.
Do they?
That's why I blamed frank. We won't be any better next year either since we didn't land a guard this year.
Fair enough, but you don't think any of our guards will get better? Blame Frank for Franking, but guys he keeps around tend to get better.
Do they?
That's why I blamed frank. We won't be any better next year either since we didn't land a guard this year.
Fair enough, but you don't think any of our guards will get better? Blame Frank for Franking, but guys he keeps around tend to get better.
Do they?
Yes. Usually.
When we are starting a freshman at point guard and a senior and junior at the posts, it makes sense to address the post first. Angel will be much better next season and Spradling will only be a junior. Complain when Frank doesn't recruit a guard in 2013.
I'm confused. What does recruiting a PG in 2013 that have to do with not recruiting a high impact point guard in the last two classes?
Notice that the the top three teams in the Big XII all have upperclassmen at the point. It's not a coincidence.
This isn't about Angel. This is about recruiting failures and roster management having forced us into relying solely on a true freshman when we shouldn't be.
Frank has recruited Angel, Spradling, and Irving in the last three classes. Angel is going to be very good. Spradling and Irving are both solid role players.
Sprads and Tay are solid role players, we all know that, that's not being debated. A lot of us see potential in Angel and hope he can consistently get better throughout his career, but it's pretty clear he's not a primetime, lead guard yet.
The issue is, why don't we have that difference making lead guard on our roster this year? Hindsight is always 20/20 but a lot of us are lamenting the fact that our staff did not ID the need to have a dynamic, difference making guard either already in the system or ready to make an immediate impact for the 11/12 team.
Obviously, those types of players are highly coveted throughout the country and aren't just on any random street corner, but it's our staff's job to ID those kids early and convince hopefully 1 at least to come play ball for the KSU Cats.
Not saying there isn't hope for the future, because I believe there is, but it would have been ideal to establish more continuity for the program this year through better recruiting and roster management that took place in the past.
The staff probably thought they had that with Nick Russell. He ended up being a bust. That is why we are starting a freshman this year. I'm happy with what our guard situation will be next year, though.
Which goes directly to poor scouting on the staff's part.
You could also look at Devon Peterson. or Jeremy Jones, Or Omari Lawrence. I really hope they didn't foresse Sprads as a lead guard type, there were some murmurings about that.
Lack of foresight or poor scouting? It's really got to be 1 or of the other.
Sometimes you can have great scouting and foresight and just fail to get the players you want. They wanted Alec Burks over Nick Russell, so I'd say there was great scouting but a failure to close the deal. They were pretty involved with Kenny Boynton very early, but failed to close the deal. I already mentioned Rosario and Fontan who were fairly attainable and would have been huge.
The staff has shown to be pretty good at scouting HS players and transfers - it's landing the players that's the problem. (I will agree their late Juco signees have been uniformly awful, but late spring recruiting will probably not be a strong suit for KSU for a long time).
That's why I blamed frank. We won't be any better next year either since we didn't land a guard this year.
Fair enough, but you don't think any of our guards will get better? Blame Frank for Franking, but guys he keeps around tend to get better.
Do they?
Sometimes you can have great scouting and foresight and just fail to get the players you want. They wanted Alec Burks over Nick Russell, so I'd say there was great scouting but a failure to close the deal. They were pretty involved with Kenny Boynton very early, but failed to close the deal. I already mentioned Rosario and Fontan who were fairly attainable and would have been huge.
The staff has shown to be pretty good at scouting HS players and transfers - it's landing the players that's the problem. (I will agree their late Juco signees have been uniformly awful, but late spring recruiting will probably not be a strong suit for KSU for a long time).
That's why I blamed frank. We won't be any better next year either since we didn't land a guard this year.
Fair enough, but you don't think any of our guards will get better? Blame Frank for Franking, but guys he keeps around tend to get better.
Do they?
Yes. Usually.
Spradling? Southwell? Jamar (yes, great game last night, expect 5 shitty games coming up)? JO? Even Frank apparently doesn't think 'Tay has improved his stock at all.
That's why I blamed frank. We won't be any better next year either since we didn't land a guard this year.
Fair enough, but you don't think any of our guards will get better? Blame Frank for Franking, but guys he keeps around tend to get better.
Do they?
Clemente got better. Pullen got better. Tay has gotten better. McGruder is better. JO is better. Jamar... is Jamar. Sprads has gotten better in some ways, but his shooting has regressed this year, no doubt.
I have no doubt that Angel, Gip, and Diaz can and will all get better too. And I think Sprads will have a solid JR bounce back season.
I certainly don't think there are many guys that have gotten worse or regressed.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.
Tay is going through a Frankhouse phase. He was really pretty solid in Big 12 play until the last 4 games and somehow Southwell moved into his minutes. I think after this last game we'll go back to seeing more of Tay, but he's been a solid 20 minute player most of this season.
And I think its fair to say Jamar is Jamar. I think there is only so much that can be done with certain players and Frand loves what he brings.
Danny Manning would have had Jamar Samuels in the NBA by now. Your coaches are terrible at developing big men.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.
It's fair to say Jamar is Jamar because it's his 4th year and we've seen it.
But there is no reason to think he would have just "been Jamar" with a different staff.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.
Tay is going through a Frankhouse phase. He was really pretty solid in Big 12 play until the last 4 games and somehow Southwell moved into his minutes. I think after this last game we'll go back to seeing more of Tay, but he's been a solid 20 minute player most of this season.
And I think its fair to say Jamar is Jamar. I think there is only so much that can be done with certain players and Frand loves what he brings.
Danny Manning would have had Jamar Samuels in the NBA by now. Your coaches are terrible at developing big men.
I'm thinking when it came right down to it last Spring, and our staff HAD to have known PG was a concern, we went out and got Jeremy Jones, a potentially decent role player as an instant offense type but not a full time high major PG by any means.
I guess I can see the point of saying we just had a lot of bad luck leading up to that situation, but once in it, not much effort was made to improve it.
I agree that this staff's hs evals are good (probably even say really good), however the closing part is kind of a big deal. the players we end(ed) up with because we couldn't close the deal are why we are in the position we're in. coupled with awful juco recruiting.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.
A% down.
TO% up.
And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.
Danny Manning would have had Jamar Samuels in the NBA by now. Your coaches are terrible at developing big men.
Well, he is the big man whisperer.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.
A% down.
TO% up.
And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.
Yeah, those numbers are down, but they aren't alarming to me.
I think the biggest thing Will has adjusted with is much more responsibility defensively. He is being asked to guard much better players this year and I think fatigue is catching him. I think he can work through it and be better next year.
No doubt, the regression shooting has been more dramatic than I anticipated and is disappointing.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.
A% down.
TO% up.
And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.
Danny Manning would have had Jamar Samuels in the NBA by now. Your coaches are terrible at developing big men.
Well, he is the big man whisperer.
eff this. Danny makes gold bricks out of Gold boullion. I'll give him credit for recruiting elite bigs but for developing them, psst, they were all badasses to begin with.
I'm thinking when it came right down to it last Spring, and our staff HAD to have known PG was a concern, we went out and got Jeremy Jones, a potentially decent role player as an instant offense type but not a full time high major PG by any means.
I guess I can see the point of saying we just had a lot of bad luck leading up to that situation, but once in it, not much effort was made to improve it.
I don't think it was "bad luck" at all. And I think it goes back further than just last spring. By the time you get to spring it's too late. The problem was Myles and Omari instead of Rosario or Fontan more than it was Jones, IMO. So I pretty much agree with everything you're saying, just disagree on the timeline. I also think I'm a little more comfortable with where we are. We still have a really good shot at the tourney. I don't think a year like that after losing an All League PG and a very solid low post scorer is unreasonable at this point.I agree that this staff's hs evals are good (probably even say really good), however the closing part is kind of a big deal. the players we end(ed) up with because we couldn't close the deal are why we are in the position we're in. coupled with awful juco recruiting.
Thanks for the lesson on why closing is important. I'd never considered that.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.
A% down.
TO% up.
And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.
um, his Assist% is up (15.6 to 16.9) and TO% is down (21.2 to 18.0). Last year he shot 37% from three, this year he has shot 36.4 while taking a lot more. His twos are way lower, but pretty much everything else has improved or stayed about the same.
In comparison, freshman Pullen to sophomore Pullen went from 30% to 33% from three, 49.6% to 43.6% from two, had his assist % go from 25.1 to 21.4, his FTR go from 34.2 to 31.0, and didn't improve his turnovers.
It's fair to say Jamar is Jamar because it's his 4th year and we've seen it.
But there is no reason to think he would have just "been Jamar" with a different staff.
Actually gonna agree with OregonHawk on his most recent post.
Danny Manning would have had Jamar Samuels in the NBA by now. Your coaches are terrible at developing big men.
Well, he is the big man whisperer.
eff this. Danny makes gold bricks out of Gold boullion. I'll give him credit for recruiting elite bigs but for developing them, psst, they were all badasses to begin with.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
How's Wally Judge doing these days?
And I think it goes back further than just last spring. By the time you get to spring it's too late.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.
A% down.
TO% up.
And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.
um, his Assist% is up (15.6 to 16.9) and TO% is down (21.2 to 18.0). Last year he shot 37% from three, this year he has shot 36.4 while taking a lot more. His twos are way lower, but pretty much everything else has improved or stayed about the same.
In comparison, freshman Pullen to sophomore Pullen went from 30% to 33% from three, 49.6% to 43.6% from two, had his assist % go from 25.1 to 21.4, his FTR go from 34.2 to 31.0, and didn't improve his turnovers.
Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.
Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.
Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.
If you are going to do that, you'll find that Pullen's "regression" from his FR to SO year in conf only stats was similar (if not worse) in nearly every single area you are comparing. I'm not saying WIll will be Pullen, but sophmore guards with increased roles tend to have some regressions in their numbers.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.
Tay is going through a Frankhouse phase. He was really pretty solid in Big 12 play until the last 4 games and somehow Southwell moved into his minutes. I think after this last game we'll go back to seeing more of Tay, but he's been a solid 20 minute player most of this season.
And I think its fair to say Jamar is Jamar. I think there is only so much that can be done with certain players and Frand loves what he brings.
Danny Manning would have had Jamar Samuels in the NBA by now. Your coaches are terrible at developing big men.
yeah, Danny's done a fanstic job with the #29 (marcus), #49 (the other morris), # 31 (nmt), and # 36 (jeffrey) players in their respective classes. It's a wonder how those top 30/50 kids ever made it to the NBA.
Quote from: michigancatAnd I think it goes back further than just last spring. By the time you get to spring it's too late.
Which is exactly why I originally said, it's a tough situation 3 years in the making.
And I realize he's probably the exception more than the rule, but Pierre Jackson was available last Spring.
But probably LOL at trying to out-recruit Baylor.
Doug Gottlieb just validated my point on Petro's show. Sorry, grapes. You lose (again).
Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.
If you are going to do that, you'll find that Pullen's "regression" from his FR to SO year in conf only stats was similar (if not worse) in nearly every single area you are comparing. I'm not saying WIll will be Pullen, but sophmore guards with increased roles tend to have some regressions in their numbers.
Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.
If you are going to do that, you'll find that Pullen's "regression" from his FR to SO year in conf only stats was similar (if not worse) in nearly every single area you are comparing. I'm not saying WIll will be Pullen, but sophmore guards with increased roles tend to have some regressions in their numbers.
Sure, I'll buy the sophomore slump. Then show me all the improvement beyond soph year guys not named Pullen have made under Frank.
Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.
If you are going to do that, you'll find that Pullen's "regression" from his FR to SO year in conf only stats was similar (if not worse) in nearly every single area you are comparing. I'm not saying WIll will be Pullen, but sophmore guards with increased roles tend to have some regressions in their numbers.
Sure, I'll buy the sophomore slump. Then show me all the improvement beyond soph year guys not named Pullen have made under Frank.
It’s tough to show/give examples of development into your jr and senior years when the roster gets frank’d. Assuming jamar makes it a few more weeks, he and Pullen the only Fr to Sr players under Martin? (which is a bit misleading because frank is just a 5th year coach, so he’s only had 2 classes that would reach full maturity – though I don’t believe a juco player has made it 2 years or full term under frank either).
Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.
If you are going to do that, you'll find that Pullen's "regression" from his FR to SO year in conf only stats was similar (if not worse) in nearly every single area you are comparing. I'm not saying WIll will be Pullen, but sophmore guards with increased roles tend to have some regressions in their numbers.
Sure, I'll buy the sophomore slump. Then show me all the improvement beyond soph year guys not named Pullen have made under Frank.
It’s tough to show/give examples of development into your jr and senior years when the roster gets frank’d. Assuming jamar makes it a few more weeks, he and Pullen the only Fr to Sr players under Martin? (which is a bit misleading because frank is just a 5th year coach, so he’s only had 2 classes that would reach full maturity – though I don’t believe a juco player has made it 2 years or full term under frank either).
Tay is on a bad stretch right now, but he's better this year in nearly every category.
Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.
If you are going to do that, you'll find that Pullen's "regression" from his FR to SO year in conf only stats was similar (if not worse) in nearly every single area you are comparing. I'm not saying WIll will be Pullen, but sophmore guards with increased roles tend to have some regressions in their numbers.
Sure, I'll buy the sophomore slump. Then show me all the improvement beyond soph year guys not named Pullen have made under Frank.
It’s tough to show/give examples of development into your jr and senior years when the roster gets frank’d. Assuming jamar makes it a few more weeks, he and Pullen the only Fr to Sr players under Martin? (which is a bit misleading because frank is just a 5th year coach, so he’s only had 2 classes that would reach full maturity – though I don’t believe a juco player has made it 2 years or full term under frank either).
Tay is on a bad stretch right now, but he's better this year in nearly every category.
Some may say that Rodney has improved.
Quote from: michigancatAnd I think it goes back further than just last spring. By the time you get to spring it's too late.
Which is exactly why I originally said, it's a tough situation 3 years in the making.
And I realize he's probably the exception more than the rule, but Pierre Jackson was available last Spring.
But probably LOL at trying to out-recruit Baylor.
Disclaimer: this is not an excuse. But I think having Pullen hurt PG recruiting while he was here. It was pretty evident that he wasn't going to give up his spot.
And how many impact Juco PG's are there available in any given spring?
Some may say that Rodney has improved.
Kougs is not one of these people.
Some may say that Rodney has improved.
Kougs is not one of these people.
Not necessarily true. Like I said, depends on what area you're looking at.
I already said 'Tay has improved, but his PT is going to nil, despite the fact that he isn't really on a "bad stretch" lately.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.
A% down.
TO% up.
And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.
Yeah, those numbers are down, but they aren't alarming to me.
I think the biggest thing Will has adjusted with is much more responsibility defensively. He is being asked to guard much better players this year and I think fatigue is catching him. I think he can work through it and be better next year.
No doubt, the regression shooting has been more dramatic than I anticipated and is disappointing.
Listen, I'm still a Frankite through and through, but I think there is reason for concern for the next couple years.
Pullen's improvement was awesome, naturally, but I don't think you can point to anyone else and prove marked development / improvement. That is concerning to me.
But couldn't 'that be a failing of Underwood or Figger or whomever?
Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.
If you are going to do that, you'll find that Pullen's "regression" from his FR to SO year in conf only stats was similar (if not worse) in nearly every single area you are comparing. I'm not saying WIll will be Pullen, but sophmore guards with increased roles tend to have some regressions in their numbers.
Sure, I'll buy the sophomore slump. Then show me all the improvement beyond soph year guys not named Pullen have made under Frank.
It’s tough to show/give examples of development into your jr and senior years when the roster gets frank’d. Assuming jamar makes it a few more weeks, he and Pullen the only Fr to Sr players under Martin? (which is a bit misleading because frank is just a 5th year coach, so he’s only had 2 classes that would reach full maturity – though I don’t believe a juco player has made it 2 years or full term under frank either).
Tay is on a bad stretch right now, but he's better this year in nearly every category.
I already said 'Tay has improved, but his PT is going to nil, despite the fact that he isn't really on a "bad stretch" lately.
McGruder is better in some areas, worse in others.
Conf. games only. Don't care about what he did in December.
If you are going to do that, you'll find that Pullen's "regression" from his FR to SO year in conf only stats was similar (if not worse) in nearly every single area you are comparing. I'm not saying WIll will be Pullen, but sophmore guards with increased roles tend to have some regressions in their numbers.
Sure, I'll buy the sophomore slump. Then show me all the improvement beyond soph year guys not named Pullen have made under Frank.
It’s tough to show/give examples of development into your jr and senior years when the roster gets frank’d. Assuming jamar makes it a few more weeks, he and Pullen the only Fr to Sr players under Martin? (which is a bit misleading because frank is just a 5th year coach, so he’s only had 2 classes that would reach full maturity – though I don’t believe a juco player has made it 2 years or full term under frank either).
Tay is on a bad stretch right now, but he's better this year in nearly every category.
I already said 'Tay has improved, but his PT is going to nil, despite the fact that he isn't really on a "bad stretch" lately.
McGruder is better in some areas, worse in others.
I wish Tay played more. He seems to do some pretty good things whenever he is in the game.
Spradling has regressed, beyond just shooting. If 'Tay has gotten better, we certainly aren't cashing in on that, are we? JO? GMAFB. Maybe "Jamar is Jamar" because Frank failed to improve him.
I think McGruder is the same, just has more of a role without Pullz.
Please, tell me how Sprads has regressed in other ways.
A% down.
TO% up.
And then of course there is his shooting, which is worse in every measurable way.
Yeah, those numbers are down, but they aren't alarming to me.
I think the biggest thing Will has adjusted with is much more responsibility defensively. He is being asked to guard much better players this year and I think fatigue is catching him. I think he can work through it and be better next year.
No doubt, the regression shooting has been more dramatic than I anticipated and is disappointing.
Listen, I'm still a Frankite through and through, but I think there is reason for concern for the next couple years.
Pullen's improvement was awesome, naturally, but I don't think you can point to anyone else and prove marked development / improvement. That is concerning to me.
But couldn't 'that be a failing of Underwood or Figger or whomever?
Colon, JO, Irving, McGruder, Kent, and Clemente all showed major improvement under Martin's staff.
I already said 'Tay has improved, but his PT is going to nil, despite the fact that he isn't really on a "bad stretch" lately.
Two games. And Tay has been around Frank plenty, I'm sure he knows exactly why he isn't playing and I expect him to respond well.
And I don't know if you really believe the arguments you are trying to create or if you are just BBSing around.
I already said 'Tay has improved, but his PT is going to nil, despite the fact that he isn't really on a "bad stretch" lately.
Two games. And Tay has been around Frank plenty, I'm sure he knows exactly why he isn't playing and I expect him to respond well.
And I don't know if you really believe the arguments you are trying to create or if you are just BBSing around.
Four.
I already said 'Tay has improved, but his PT is going to nil, despite the fact that he isn't really on a "bad stretch" lately.
Two games. And Tay has been around Frank plenty, I'm sure he knows exactly why he isn't playing and I expect him to respond well.
And I don't know if you really believe the arguments you are trying to create or if you are just BBSing around.
Four.
aTm and Tech had drops in PT, but not as dramatic as UT and KU.
In conference play...
Highest eFG% among guards:
Martavious Irving
Highest 3PT%:
Martavious Irving
:dunno:
In conference play...
Highest eFG% among guards:
Martavious Irving
Highest 3PT%:
Martavious Irving
:dunno:
Sit McGruder, play Tay!
In conference play...
Highest eFG% among guards:
Martavious Irving
Highest 3PT%:
Martavious Irving
:dunno:
Sit McGruder, play Tay!
Don't be respected. Southwell and Spradling have plenty to give.
In conference play...
Highest eFG% among guards:
Martavious Irving
Highest 3PT%:
Martavious Irving
:dunno:
Sit McGruder, play Tay!
Don't be respected. Southwell and Spradling have plenty to give.
Do they?
In conference play...
Highest eFG% among guards:
Martavious Irving
Highest 3PT%:
Martavious Irving
:dunno:
Sit McGruder, play Tay!
Don't be respected. Southwell and Spradling have plenty to give.
Do they?
They do.
Sw is dom without the defense, fouls, and rebounding.
Overall, I think Angel is the better player between him and Tay. Of course. When Tay plays, I don't ever feel there are glaring mistakes, which there were plenty for Angel last night. I would have liked to see Tay get more PT.
I know it was probably just my perception, but it seemed like Angel would eff up, get taken out, then as soon as the next dead ball, he was back in again. I didn't rough ridin' get it, didn't get it at all. This probably took away my ability to look at his game objectively. I just know that if Tay had played more and we lost, I would not have been thinking if Angel had played more we would have won.
2010-2011Freddy Asprilla – CJuevol Myles – PG
Shane Southwell - SF
Will Spradling – PG
Nino Williams - SF
Overall, I think Angel is the better player between him and Tay. Of course. When Tay plays, I don't ever feel there are glaring mistakes, which there were plenty for Angel last night. I would have liked to see Tay get more PT.
I know it was probably just my perception, but it seemed like Angel would eff up, get taken out, then as soon as the next dead ball, he was back in again. I didn't rough ridin' get it, didn't get it at all. This probably took away my ability to look at his game objectively. I just know that if Tay had played more and we lost, I would not have been thinking if Angel had played more we would have won.
Angel was always coming right back into the game because KU was always extending their lead when he went to the bench.
I just know that if Tay had played more and we lost, I would not have been thinking if Angel had played more we would have won.
If Naadir Tharpe doesn't pan out, ku won't have any average big 12 point gaurd.
I just know that if Tay had played more and we lost, I would not have been thinking if Angel had played more we would have won.
i remember how satisfied the board was after the ou road loss. "we lost sure, but i loved the roster mgmt.", we all said.
Count me out of that board discussion please.. We lost that game because we were atrocious everywhere. Roster mgmt had no bearing on that game.
Count me out of that board discussion please.. We lost that game because we were atrocious everywhere. Roster mgmt had no bearing on that game.
purplenutz, i doubt if i will remember your name when you next post, but i should, because you are smarter than most posters.
"Having Angel and Will (Spradling) at the guards gives us two guys that have the ability to be high assist guys. Martavious (Irving) is more of a slasher, an attack kind of guy, which is why I like to have him coming off the bench. I feel we are at our best with those two guys (Rodriguez and Spradling) at guard right now."
Asked about the recent stretch of games, Martin said, "That circular orange thing finding that piece of twin that hangs at the rim. That is the one thing that is missing." He added, "It's hard to beat anybody if the ball does not go into the basket. It is impossible to beat at top-five team if you do not make shots. You have to make shots."
I would really enjoy it if Angel would figure out how to get around screens at this level.
3 posessions, stupid stupid decisions, selfish stupid shot w/Jamar wide open.
He cant guard anybody, he turns the ball over like its his job. Just murdered momentum repeatedly tonight, over and over.
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would it be better if I included an exception for Acy giving him the forearm shiver?I would really enjoy it if Angel would figure out how to get around screens at this level.
fuuuuuuuuck you.
3 posessions, stupid stupid decisions, selfish stupid shot w/Jamar wide open.
He cant guard anybody, he turns the ball over like its his job. Just murdered momentum repeatedly tonight, over and over.
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May have lost the KU game (in some opinions)...but no way we win today without Angel. :emawkid: :emawkid: :emawkid:
what terrible drive at the end?
He lost it in the lane once when we were stalling and said "Here angel, do something with 10 seconds left on the shot clock".
it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
what terrible drive at the end?
He lost it in the lane once when we were stalling and said "Here angel, do something with 10 seconds left on the shot clock".
what terrible drive at the end?
He lost it in the lane once when we were stalling and said "Here angel, do something with 10 seconds left on the shot clock".
I know the OP meant this as a negative, but this has become my favorite part of our offensive possessions. Only way it would be better is if Angel dribbled for a few seconds first and called a bullshit set with a raised fist before he just created something from nothing.
"demiurge!"
"ex nihilo!"
"salvador salvador!"
I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
wtf are you even talking about?
I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
I forgot that rule, thanks for pointing it out. I need to remember that once Angel advances the ball inside of the 3pt line he is prohibited from passing it unless he is jumping out of bounds under the basket, and even than it can only go to a big not waiting on an errant pass.I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
Was it the first possession after the under 3 timeout? Because Angel was in the middle of the paint and Rodney was almost directly behind him. Just how stupid are you?
I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
wtf are you even talking about?
You live a group home where they acted out the game with puppets so you didn't understand what was really going on in the game, thus your idiotic comment responding to my comment?
I forgot that rule, thanks for pointing it out. I need to remember that once Angel advances the ball inside of the 3pt line he is prohibited from passing it unless he is jumping out of bounds under the basket, and even than it can only go to a big not waiting on an errant pass.I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
Was it the first possession after the under 3 timeout? Because Angel was in the middle of the paint and Rodney was almost directly behind him. Just how stupid are you?
Go back and watch the replay. The top of the 1-3-1 and the middle of the zone all started to sag back once it got to <10second because they knew he was ONLY going to drive it. And Rodney wasn't right behind him, he was slightly to Angel's right with a guy on that side which would have made for a difficult pass. Instead he should have pushed in, sucked the zone to him like it already was, stopped, and passed it back out to Rodney for a wide open 3.
You're really bad as this. Nowhere near the right usage of luke-ing someone.I forgot that rule, thanks for pointing it out. I need to remember that once Angel advances the ball inside of the 3pt line he is prohibited from passing it unless he is jumping out of bounds under the basket, and even than it can only go to a big not waiting on an errant pass.I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
Was it the first possession after the under 3 timeout? Because Angel was in the middle of the paint and Rodney was almost directly behind him. Just how stupid are you?
Go back and watch the replay. The top of the 1-3-1 and the middle of the zone all started to sag back once it got to <10second because they knew he was ONLY going to drive it. And Rodney wasn't right behind him, he was slightly to Angel's right with a guy on that side which would have made for a difficult pass. Instead he should have pushed in, sucked the zone to him like it already was, stopped, and passed it back out to Rodney for a wide open 3.
great analysis ednluke
You're really bad as this. Nowhere near the right usage of luke-ing someone.I forgot that rule, thanks for pointing it out. I need to remember that once Angel advances the ball inside of the 3pt line he is prohibited from passing it unless he is jumping out of bounds under the basket, and even than it can only go to a big not waiting on an errant pass.I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
Was it the first possession after the under 3 timeout? Because Angel was in the middle of the paint and Rodney was almost directly behind him. Just how stupid are you?
Go back and watch the replay. The top of the 1-3-1 and the middle of the zone all started to sag back once it got to <10second because they knew he was ONLY going to drive it. And Rodney wasn't right behind him, he was slightly to Angel's right with a guy on that side which would have made for a difficult pass. Instead he should have pushed in, sucked the zone to him like it already was, stopped, and passed it back out to Rodney for a wide open 3.
great analysis ednluke
not butt hurt at all. Very happy to see Angel making plays and maturing as a player. He did much better today, and if he had this level of game versus KU we win, not just because of more points, but because he took care of the ball better in the 2nd half. He didn't have any random drives under the basket with a pitch to no one/post player's leg in this game that I recall either. Still has work to do with getting over/under screens, especially in physical games, and needs to look for teammates in crunch time instead of only for his drive.You're really bad as this. Nowhere near the right usage of luke-ing someone.I forgot that rule, thanks for pointing it out. I need to remember that once Angel advances the ball inside of the 3pt line he is prohibited from passing it unless he is jumping out of bounds under the basket, and even than it can only go to a big not waiting on an errant pass.I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
Was it the first possession after the under 3 timeout? Because Angel was in the middle of the paint and Rodney was almost directly behind him. Just how stupid are you?
Go back and watch the replay. The top of the 1-3-1 and the middle of the zone all started to sag back once it got to <10second because they knew he was ONLY going to drive it. And Rodney wasn't right behind him, he was slightly to Angel's right with a guy on that side which would have made for a difficult pass. Instead he should have pushed in, sucked the zone to him like it already was, stopped, and passed it back out to Rodney for a wide open 3.
great analysis ednluke
says the guy butthurt about angel not passing the ball to rodney :love:
not butt hurt at all. Very happy to see Angel making plays and maturing as a player. He did much better today, and if he had this level of game versus KU we win, not just because of more points, but because he took care of the ball better in the 2nd half. He didn't have any random drives under the basket with a pitch to no one/post player's leg in this game that I recall either. Still has work to do with getting over/under screens, especially in physical games, and needs to look for teammates in crunch time instead of only for his drive.You're really bad as this. Nowhere near the right usage of luke-ing someone.I forgot that rule, thanks for pointing it out. I need to remember that once Angel advances the ball inside of the 3pt line he is prohibited from passing it unless he is jumping out of bounds under the basket, and even than it can only go to a big not waiting on an errant pass.I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
Was it the first possession after the under 3 timeout? Because Angel was in the middle of the paint and Rodney was almost directly behind him. Just how stupid are you?
Go back and watch the replay. The top of the 1-3-1 and the middle of the zone all started to sag back once it got to <10second because they knew he was ONLY going to drive it. And Rodney wasn't right behind him, he was slightly to Angel's right with a guy on that side which would have made for a difficult pass. Instead he should have pushed in, sucked the zone to him like it already was, stopped, and passed it back out to Rodney for a wide open 3.
great analysis ednluke
says the guy butthurt about angel not passing the ball to rodney :love:
not butt hurt at all. Very happy to see Angel making plays and maturing as a player. He did much better today, and if he had this level of game versus KU we win, not just because of more points, but because he took care of the ball better in the 2nd half. He didn't have any random drives under the basket with a pitch to no one/post player's leg in this game that I recall either. Still has work to do with getting over/under screens, especially in physical games, and needs to look for teammates in crunch time instead of only for his drive.You're really bad as this. Nowhere near the right usage of luke-ing someone.I forgot that rule, thanks for pointing it out. I need to remember that once Angel advances the ball inside of the 3pt line he is prohibited from passing it unless he is jumping out of bounds under the basket, and even than it can only go to a big not waiting on an errant pass.I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
Was it the first possession after the under 3 timeout? Because Angel was in the middle of the paint and Rodney was almost directly behind him. Just how stupid are you?
Go back and watch the replay. The top of the 1-3-1 and the middle of the zone all started to sag back once it got to <10second because they knew he was ONLY going to drive it. And Rodney wasn't right behind him, he was slightly to Angel's right with a guy on that side which would have made for a difficult pass. Instead he should have pushed in, sucked the zone to him like it already was, stopped, and passed it back out to Rodney for a wide open 3.
great analysis ednluke
says the guy butthurt about angel not passing the ball to rodney :love:
we lost to ku, who gives a eff, get over it
not butt hurt at all. Very happy to see Angel making plays and maturing as a player. He did much better today, and if he had this level of game versus KU we win, not just because of more points, but because he took care of the ball better in the 2nd half. He didn't have any random drives under the basket with a pitch to no one/post player's leg in this game that I recall either. Still has work to do with getting over/under screens, especially in physical games, and needs to look for teammates in crunch time instead of only for his drive.You're really bad as this. Nowhere near the right usage of luke-ing someone.I forgot that rule, thanks for pointing it out. I need to remember that once Angel advances the ball inside of the 3pt line he is prohibited from passing it unless he is jumping out of bounds under the basket, and even than it can only go to a big not waiting on an errant pass.I guess you were watching a different game in the group home than I was. Maybe something the staff acted out with puppets for you?it was terrible because he chose not to pass to a wide open Rodney who was squared up on the 3 pt line.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
Was it the first possession after the under 3 timeout? Because Angel was in the middle of the paint and Rodney was almost directly behind him. Just how stupid are you?
Go back and watch the replay. The top of the 1-3-1 and the middle of the zone all started to sag back once it got to <10second because they knew he was ONLY going to drive it. And Rodney wasn't right behind him, he was slightly to Angel's right with a guy on that side which would have made for a difficult pass. Instead he should have pushed in, sucked the zone to him like it already was, stopped, and passed it back out to Rodney for a wide open 3.
great analysis ednluke
says the guy butthurt about angel not passing the ball to rodney :love:
we lost to ku, who gives a eff, get over it
you don't think we win our home game against KU if Angel has the same stat line he has today over what he had in that game?
yeah, I rewatched the replay and confirmed ed is stupid. No surprise that he would only hang out with stupid people that agree with him.(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.napalm.net%2Fclubsi%2Fagnelnottorodeny1.png&hash=bd10592ab6d0435e58d5fb7d597aef95f4e977f9)
fine I'll leave you two to your circle jerk. have fun.
fine I'll leave you two to your circle jerk. have fun.
you are making a stupid point, that's all
good grief just stop wmt:facepalm:
If Angel is going to take that next step, he needs to have better game ending decisions than what he is currently doing. Now he is young, and is only gaining in experience.
disagree with this entirely. By your notion players don't go through a maturation process and all the coach speak about the college game being much faster than HS/AAU ball are all moot. Good players can slow teh game down. Jake and Dennis both did it, Angel will too in time. Hopefully he is looking at his game tape and seeing ways to improve. Keeping your head up, using your court vision to see players that open when 3 or 4 players suck into the zone on you is critical in player development.If Angel is going to take that next step, he needs to have better game ending decisions than what he is currently doing. Now he is young, and is only gaining in experience.
i guess the point that you are having trouble grasping is that ar-t, seeing the situ at game speed with big 12 athletes bouncing all around him made the right decision, and you, sitting at a computer looking at vids and screen shots are making the wrong one.
edn, i appreciate your confidence, but if you think a pg driving to the basket with no one but a stationary big almost under the rim and guarding your big to stop you should flip the ball past two defenders to a shooter behind you, you really shouldn't be allowed to watch bball. certainly not allowed to comment on what you think you are seeing.
could have hit ojeleye on the dive, but then you've got ojeleye trying to catch, turn, not travel, not lose the ball and hit a shot. definitely not a better option.
disagree with this entirely. By your notion players don't go through a maturation process and all the coach speak about the college game being much faster than HS/AAU ball are all moot. Good players can slow teh game down. Jake and Dennis both did it, Angel will too in time. Hopefully he is looking at his game tape and seeing ways to improve. Keeping your head up, using your court vision to see players that open when 3 or 4 players suck into the zone on you is critical in player development.If Angel is going to take that next step, he needs to have better game ending decisions than what he is currently doing. Now he is young, and is only gaining in experience.
i guess the point that you are having trouble grasping is that ar-t, seeing the situ at game speed with big 12 athletes bouncing all around him made the right decision, and you, sitting at a computer looking at vids and screen shots are making the wrong one.edn, i appreciate your confidence, but if you think a pg driving to the basket with no one but a stationary big almost under the rim and guarding your big to stop you should flip the ball past two defenders to a shooter behind you, you really shouldn't be allowed to watch bball. certainly not allowed to comment on what you think you are seeing.
could have hit ojeleye on the dive, but then you've got ojeleye trying to catch, turn, not travel, not lose the ball and hit a shot. definitely not a better option.
for instance this scenario. Look between the 6th second on the shot clock and the 4th. Heslip is falling back below the 3 pt line. He was the top of the 1-3-1. #50 is in the same spot but still qued up entirely on Angel. At this point AR has done what a good PG should do and brought defenders to him and has created an unbalance in the zone. The key to defeating the zone is to make it unbalanced and find a shooter who should have floated to their conform range inside of the void on the court. Because Heslip has sunk down so low and 50 is keyed in to his right the voids are now from the top of the key and to the right for us. Rodney correctly moves to the top, further right than where he was originally by about 4 ft and waits for a pass which never comes. AR has 3 or arguably 4 defenders on him by the 3 second mark. He is in too deep to make a pass and is surrounded and walled off from the rim. This is where the maturation of a player is critical. They have to realize when that defensive player (Heslip) has passed the point of no return (defensive position) in guarding their player and AR has to get hit teammate the ball. Heslip was moving low with seconds before Angel got in too deep, could have kicked to an unbalanced zone shooter for an open shot.
did not read
why, because this point you are trying to drive home is pointless
did not read
why, because this point you are trying to drive home is pointless
It's actually pretty entertaining. I mean when someone goes so far as to post pics of what they thought happened and then describe something completely different from what their pics show is remarkable to watch.
did not read
why, because this point you are trying to drive home is pointless
It's actually pretty entertaining. I mean when someone goes so far as to post pics of what they thought happened and then describe something completely different from what their pics show is remarkable to watch.
did not read
why, because this point you are trying to drive home is pointless
It's actually pretty entertaining. I mean when someone goes so far as to post pics of what they thought happened and then describe something completely different from what their pics show is remarkable to watch.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
seriously beems level of posting now. I'll wait for Sys to come if he chooses with a conversation post. Until than I'll just :lol: at your little circle jerk.
seriously......
beems level without a doubt.......
:lol: :lol: :lol:
did not read
why, because this point you are trying to drive home is pointless
It's actually pretty entertaining. I mean when someone goes so far as to post pics of what they thought happened and then describe something completely different from what their pics show is remarkable to watch.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
seriously beems level of posting now. I'll wait for Sys to come if he chooses with a conversation post. Until than I'll just :lol: at your little circle jerk.
seriously......
beems level without a doubt.......
:lol: :lol: :lol:
honestly don't know what you are doing here
did not read
why, because this point you are trying to drive home is pointless
It's actually pretty entertaining. I mean when someone goes so far as to post pics of what they thought happened and then describe something completely different from what their pics show is remarkable to watch.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
seriously beems level of posting now. I'll wait for Sys to come if he chooses with a conversation post. Until than I'll just :lol: at your little circle jerk.
seriously......
beems level without a doubt.......
:lol: :lol: :lol:
honestly don't know what you are doing here
O I know, respond to one of Rusty's posts next so he can
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seriously, hacks like you two make goEMAW the board with the worst case of group think ever.
did not read
why, because this point you are trying to drive home is pointless
It's actually pretty entertaining. I mean when someone goes so far as to post pics of what they thought happened and then describe something completely different from what their pics show is remarkable to watch.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
seriously beems level of posting now. I'll wait for Sys to come if he chooses with a conversation post. Until than I'll just :lol: at your little circle jerk.
seriously......
beems level without a doubt.......
:lol: :lol: :lol:
honestly don't know what you are doing here
O I know, respond to one of Rusty's posts next so he can
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seriously, hacks like you two make goEMAW the board with the worst case of group think ever.
this meltdown of yours is great. just tell me your drunk and i'll leave you alone
the best part is he doesn't realize sys is making fun of him worse than we are.
edn, your point of view is stupid. like worse than beems type stuff
edn, your point of view is stupid. like worse than beems type stuff
classic. No I'm not posting like beems, youre posting like beems move.
Nice work responding to my post and only keeping the lotion flowing between you and Rusty. Group think at its best right here.
I'll let you guys finish up.
I'll wait for Sys to come if he chooses with a conversation post.
what I'm looking for is someone to say that Angel, who apparently isn't the 'slashing guard', should stop making poor decisions slashing to the rim only to be bottled up in game deciding plays. A lob would have been acceptable, a pass back to Rodney or Will under 6 seconds when Heslip went below the FT line would have been acceptable. Going to Victor would not have been acceptable.I'll wait for Sys to come if he chooses with a conversation post.
i mean, i don't know what you're looking for here. i agree with reality, that there weren't any defenders between ar-t and the hoop (other than the one guy flat-footed and 8 feet away clearly more scared of ar-t thowing a lob at his man than of ar-t shooting).
what I'm looking for is someone to say that Angel, who apparently isn't the 'slashing guard', should stop making poor decisions slashing to the rim only to be bottled up in game deciding plays. A lob would have been acceptable, a pass back to Rodney or Will under 6 seconds when Heslip went below the FT line would have been acceptable. Going to Victor would not have been acceptable.I'll wait for Sys to come if he chooses with a conversation post.
i mean, i don't know what you're looking for here. i agree with reality, that there weren't any defenders between ar-t and the hoop (other than the one guy flat-footed and 8 feet away clearly more scared of ar-t thowing a lob at his man than of ar-t shooting).
Pass to Vic for the situation
to lead the Wildcats to their best win of the season against Baylor Saturday
Quoteto lead the Wildcats to their best win of the season against Baylor Saturday
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MEAN MUGGIN
I think Baylor on the road was better than MU at home but I think you could argue it either way
I think Baylor on the road was better than MU at home but I think you could argue it either way
True. I think Missouri has proven to be the better team though.
Roads wins are really hard.I think Baylor on the road was better than MU at home but I think you could argue it either way
True. I think Missouri has proven to be the better team though.
look at us, arguing over which of our wins over top 10 teams was the best. :blush:
Call me a respect but I was more worried about Baylor on the road than MU on the road.
Call me a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) but I was more worried about Baylor on the road than MU on the road.
Call me a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) but I was more worried about Baylor on the road than MU on the road.
that is pretty Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). of the second 3 game KU/BU/MU stretch the MU game was/is my lowest confidence.
This best win argument will be put to bed in about 34 hours
I was unable to watch the Baylor game live due to being at a conference. When I was able to watch it, I watched the highlights first and saw the travel call at the end of the game, and knew how I would see it spun on here.
The defenses of Angel's performance against KU seem like moral victories to me. Sure he mumped up a lot, but he did X, Y, and Z. It just seems to me that the folks who are #teamangel to the core, are the same types of people who get on other people for claiming happiness for moral victories in other areas. I don't understand that hypocrisy.
If you want to be an Angel sunshine pumper, kool aid drinker, etc. I don't know how you get on others for doing the same for others.
I see Angel's potential just as much as anyone else, I don't think he's near do no wrong status though. Nowhere near Jake, Denis, etc.
Going off on people that cut Angel down and backing up the point with, he's the best we got, he has potential, he wowed me on that play, he's young, he's so adorable doesn't make sense to me when the same people complain about how young the team is, how players get ran off, how badly we recruit. Angel is benefiting from the things that you complain about. Without the things you bitch about you wouldn't have your golden calf.
I was unable to watch the Baylor game live due to being at a conference. When I was able to watch it, I watched the highlights first and saw the travel call at the end of the game, and knew how I would see it spun on here.
The defenses of Angel's performance against KU seem like moral victories to me. Sure he mumped up a lot, but he did X, Y, and Z. It just seems to me that the folks who are #teamangel to the core, are the same types of people who get on other people for claiming happiness for moral victories in other areas. I don't understand that hypocrisy.
If you want to be an Angel sunshine pumper, kool aid drinker, etc. I don't know how you get on others for doing the same for others.
I see Angel's potential just as much as anyone else, I don't think he's near do no wrong status though. Nowhere near Jake, Denis, etc.
Going off on people that cut Angel down and backing up the point with, he's the best we got, he has potential, he wowed me on that play, he's young, he's so adorable doesn't make sense to me when the same people complain about how young the team is, how players get ran off, how badly we recruit, etc. Angel is benefiting from the things that you complain about. Without the things you bitch about you wouldn't have your golden calf.
I was unable to watch the Baylor game live due to being at a conference. When I was able to watch it, I watched the highlights first and saw the travel call at the end of the game, and knew how I would see it spun on here.
The defenses of Angel's performance against KU seem like moral victories to me. Sure he mumped up a lot, but he did X, Y, and Z. It just seems to me that the folks who are #teamangel to the core, are the same types of people who get on other people for claiming happiness for moral victories in other areas. I don't understand that hypocrisy.
If you want to be an Angel sunshine pumper, kool aid drinker, etc. I don't know how you get on others for doing the same for others.
I see Angel's potential just as much as anyone else, I don't think he's near do no wrong status though. Nowhere near Jake, Denis, etc.
Going off on people that cut Angel down and backing up the point with, he's the best we got, he has potential, he wowed me on that play, he's young, he's so adorable doesn't make sense to me when the same people complain about how young the team is, how players get ran off, how badly we recruit, etc. Angel is benefiting from the things that you complain about. Without the things you bitch about you wouldn't have your golden calf.
Call me a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) but I was more worried about Baylor on the road than MU on the road.
Call me a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) but I was more worried about Baylor on the road than MU on the road.
just for reference, in the 4 previous years @ Columbia (which were all against inferior MU teams compared to this year's MU team):
0-4 by an average score of 68-80
Call me a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) but I was more worried about Baylor on the road than MU on the road.
just for reference, in the 4 previous years @ Columbia (which were all against inferior MU teams compared to this year's MU team):
0-4 by an average score of 68-80
Oh, I know.....
Again, it's not something I can explain.
Call me a respect but I was more worried about Baylor on the road than MU on the road.
just for reference, in the 4 previous years @ Columbia (which were all against inferior MU teams compared to this year's MU team):
0-4 by an average score of 68-80
Oh, I know.....
Again, it's not something I can explain.
more like suncompletefuckingdumbass kid
Call me a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) but I was more worried about Baylor on the road than MU on the road.
just for reference, in the 4 previous years @ Columbia (which were all against inferior MU teams compared to this year's MU team):
0-4 by an average score of 68-80
Oh, I know.....
Again, it's not something I can explain.
explain it then cns casey you dumbass
@nic
I was at a conference and was receiving text updates on the game. Like a true EMAW, I would have watched the game when I was able to, win or lose.
I agree Angel is the best option we have at his position. I agree it is a maturation process. I know there will be growing pains. I'm not putting the guy down. If we recruited better, didn't run guys off, had more experience, things that a lot of the #teamangel crowd bitches about. Angel wouldn't be a hot topic right now. It just seems to me that some people like to bitch a lot about things that now directly benefit Angel. Like not having better options, not having more experience, etc. So I don't know why people use the things they have previously bitched about to defend Angel. If you're mad that we don't recruit better, don't have better options, why don't you complain about having to deal with his growing pains? Why does he get a pass?
you played your heart out,CA. You played your heart out.
more like suncompletefuckingdumbass kid
Keep in mind, this is a guy who knew winters needed a ticket and could've had one but instead said "eff winter and trim and all of goEMAW, I'll say I'll take it and just no-show/no-call."
As Rusty astutely pointed out years back, "garbage poster = garbage human being."
Why does he get a pass?
@nic
I was at a conference and was receiving text updates on the game. Like a true EMAW, I would have watched the game when I was able to, win or lose.
I agree Angel is the best option we have at his position. I agree it is a maturation process. I know there will be growing pains. I'm not putting the guy down. If we recruited better, didn't run guys off, had more experience, things that a lot of the #teamangel crowd bitches about. Angel wouldn't be a hot topic right now. It just seems to me that some people like to bitch a lot about things that now directly benefit Angel. Like not having better options, not having more experience, etc. So I don't know why people use the things they have previously bitched about to defend Angel. If you're mad that we don't recruit better, don't have better options, why don't you complain about having to deal with his growing pains? Why does he get a pass?
more like suncompletefuckingdumbass kid
Keep in mind, this is a guy who knew winters needed a ticket and could've had one but instead said "eff winter and trim and all of goEMAW, I'll say I'll take it and just no-show/no-call."
As Rusty astutely pointed out years back, "garbage poster = garbage human being."
Then I believe you or MIR, I can never distinguish the two, said you wanted to throw me down some Bramlage stairs and I said I'd meet ya there, and they got all quiet. As far as garbage, if that is how you feel, my posting skills aren't a roller coaster ride, they are pretty consistent. You chose me over Winters, and you felt I was a garbage human being. That's on you then, huh?
Call me a respect but I was more worried about Baylor on the road than MU on the road.
just for reference, in the 4 previous years @ Columbia (which were all against inferior MU teams compared to this year's MU team):
0-4 by an average score of 68-80
more like suncompletefuckingdumbass kid
Keep in mind, this is a guy who knew winters needed a ticket and could've had one but instead said "eff winter and trim and all of goEMAW, I'll say I'll take it and just no-show/no-call."
As Rusty astutely pointed out years back, "garbage poster = garbage human being."
Then I believe you or MIR, I can never distinguish the two, said you wanted to throw me down some Bramlage stairs and I said I'd meet ya there, and they got all quiet. As far as garbage, if that is how you feel, my posting skills aren't a roller coaster ride, they are pretty consistent. You chose me over Winters, and you felt I was a garbage human being. That's on you then, huh?
I don't think I ever said I wanted to throw you down some Bramlage stairs, but it seems like a good idea. MIR's a pretty smart guy. And yeah, we all look alike. :rolleyes: :opcat:
I said I'd give the ticket to whoever asked for it first. You did. I have integrity.
more like suncompletefuckingdumbass kid
Keep in mind, this is a guy who knew winters needed a ticket and could've had one but instead said "eff winter and trim and all of goEMAW, I'll say I'll take it and just no-show/no-call."
As Rusty astutely pointed out years back, "garbage poster = garbage human being."
Then I believe you or MIR, I can never distinguish the two, said you wanted to throw me down some Bramlage stairs and I said I'd meet ya there, and they got all quiet. As far as garbage, if that is how you feel, my posting skills aren't a roller coaster ride, they are pretty consistent. You chose me over Winters, and you felt I was a garbage human being. That's on you then, huh?
I don't think I ever said I wanted to throw you down some Bramlage stairs, but it seems like a good idea. MIR's a pretty smart guy. And yeah, we all look alike. :rolleyes: :opcat:
I said I'd give the ticket to whoever asked for it first. You did. I have integrity.
You both post alike
@nic
I was at a conference and was receiving text updates on the game. Like a true EMAW, I would have watched the game when I was able to, win or lose.
I agree Angel is the best option we have at his position. I agree it is a maturation process. I know there will be growing pains. I'm not putting the guy down. If we recruited better, didn't run guys off, had more experience, things that a lot of the #teamangel crowd bitches about. Angel wouldn't be a hot topic right now. It just seems to me that some people like to bitch a lot about things that now directly benefit Angel. Like not having better options, not having more experience, etc. So I don't know why people use the things they have previously bitched about to defend Angel. If you're mad that we don't recruit better, don't have better options, why don't you complain about having to deal with his growing pains? Why does he get a pass?
Sundance_ednksu post
I was unable to watch the Baylor game live due to being at a conference. When I was able to watch it, I watched the highlights first and saw the travel call at the end of the game, and knew how I would see it spun on here.
Oh man. Prepare yourselves #teamangel and #teamjamar...
http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591 (http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591)
2:46 :love:
Oh man. Prepare yourselves #teamangel and #teamjamar...
http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591 (http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591)
2:46 :love:
It's just.....so.....beautiful....... :love:
HOLY crap. :sdeek:
Oh man. Prepare yourselves #teamangel and #teamjamar...
http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591 (http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591)
2:46 :love:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthe-mainboard.com%2Fstyles%2Fdefault%2Fxenforo%2Fsmilies%2Fohgosh.gif&hash=fa916bd8c2c5c6c3b84c6d19d4ee3f1f334efb2a)
yeah facts are for pussies. goEMAW circle jerks are for the ages.@nic
I was at a conference and was receiving text updates on the game. Like a true EMAW, I would have watched the game when I was able to, win or lose.
I agree Angel is the best option we have at his position. I agree it is a maturation process. I know there will be growing pains. I'm not putting the guy down. If we recruited better, didn't run guys off, had more experience, things that a lot of the #teamangel crowd bitches about. Angel wouldn't be a hot topic right now. It just seems to me that some people like to bitch a lot about things that now directly benefit Angel. Like not having better options, not having more experience, etc. So I don't know why people use the things they have previously bitched about to defend Angel. If you're mad that we don't recruit better, don't have better options, why don't you complain about having to deal with his growing pains? Why does he get a pass?
Sundance_ednksu post
Nailed it. I'm amazed how people san say such stupid, uninformed BS with such conviction.
Oh man. Prepare yourselves #teamangel and #teamjamar...
http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591 (http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591)
2:46 :love:
great cut @ 1:30.Oh man. Prepare yourselves #teamangel and #teamjamar...
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2:46 :love:
oh man, oh man
Oh man. Prepare yourselves #teamangel and #teamjamar...
I am very very #teamjamar and also #equipoangel. I'm just anti #teamangel.
That was the most adorable thing I've ever seen from the cats. Aside from Jake's kiss the court exit, it is my favorite KSU Cats moment.
What a rough ridin' stud. Again, can't win this game without him.
What a rough ridin' stud. Again, can't win this game without him.
:love: :love: :love: :love:
What a rough ridin' stud. Again, can't win this game without him.
:love: :love: :love: :love:
you don't want to complain about a missed free throw or something?
What a rough ridin' stud. Again, can't win this game without him.
:love: :love: :love: :love:
you don't want to complain about a missed free throw or something?
What a rough ridin' stud. Again, can't win this game without him.
:love: :love: :love: :love:
you don't want to complain about a missed free throw or something?
Angel was rough ridin' terrible in the KU game. It doesn't mean that everyone who pointed that out hates Angel every game, dumbasses. Most of us really really like Angel. This is why master threads are dumb.
Can someone please gif that glorious drive to the bucket :love: tia
What a rough ridin' stud. Again, can't win this game without him.
:love: :love: :love: :love:
you don't want to complain about a missed free throw or something?
Angel was rough ridin' terrible in the KU game. It doesn't mean that everyone who pointed that out hates Angel every game, dumbasses. Most of us really really like Angel. This is why master threads are dumb.
What a rough ridin' stud. Again, can't win this game without him.
:love: :love: :love: :love:
you don't want to complain about a missed free throw or something?
Angel was rough ridin' terrible in the KU game. It doesn't mean that everyone who pointed that out hates Angel every game, dumbasses. Most of us really really like Angel. This is why master threads are dumb.
master threads are dumb because they make it harder for you to forget how you threw your freshman PG under the bus after he had a bad game. got it.
Oh man. Prepare yourselves #teamangel and #teamjamar...
http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591 (http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591)
2:46 :love:
This thread wasn't about the KU game, it was about why we can't sit Angel when he makes mistakes.
Oh man. Prepare yourselves #teamangel and #teamjamar...
http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591 (http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591)
2:46 :love:
Take that and sandwich it with this: http://espn.go.com/ncb/photos?gameId=320520142&photoId=1868501#photo_1868501
:love: :love: :love:
Oh man. Prepare yourselves #teamangel and #teamjamar...
http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591 (http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591)
2:46 :love:
Take that and sandwich it with this: http://espn.go.com/ncb/photos?gameId=320520142&photoId=1868501#photo_1868501
:love: :love: :love:
Better!
http://espn.go.com/ncb/photos?gameId=320520142&photoId=1868501#photo_1868564
http://espn.go.com/ncb/photos?gameId=320520142&photoId=1868501#photo_1868501
http://espn.go.com/ncb/photos?gameId=320520142&photoId=1868564#photo_1868564
great cut at 4:12 in the 2nd
and his dump of to Jam Sams was really great. I don't think he does that in the beginning of the year. The game is starting to click for him more and more. He didn't really ever get trapped under Mizzou's double screens tonight.
its okay little buddy. :blush:great cut at 4:12 in the 2nd
and his dump of to Jam Sams was really great. I don't think he does that in the beginning of the year. The game is starting to click for him more and more. He didn't really ever get trapped under Mizzou's double screens tonight.
shut up, jerk.
Oh man. Prepare yourselves #teamangel and #teamjamar...
http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591 (http://www.kstatesports.com/allaccess/?media=303591)
2:46 :love:
Take that and sandwich it with this: http://espn.go.com/ncb/photos?gameId=320520142&photoId=1868501#photo_1868501
:love: :love: :love:
Better!
http://espn.go.com/ncb/photos?gameId=320520142&photoId=1868501#photo_1868564
What a rough ridin' stud. Again, can't win this game without him.
:love: :love: :love: :love:
you don't want to complain about a missed free throw or something?
Angel was rough ridin' terrible in the KU game. It doesn't mean that everyone who pointed that out hates Angel every game, dumbasses. Most of us really really like Angel. This is why master threads are dumb.
Angel was fantastic last night. It was never more evident that he has to be the guy with the ball, than watching spradling dufrane try to get away from the sisters. When MU turned up their on ball pressure Angel was the only one who could handle it. Now, the question will be whether angel can handle it consistently.
Angel was fantastic last night. It was never more evident that he has to be the guy with the ball, than watching spradling dufrane try to get away from the sisters. When MU turned up their on ball pressure Angel was the only one who could handle it. Now, the question will be whether angel can handle it consistently.
Yep. I was begging Frank to get Angel back in the game during the last 10 minutes when he sat him for a bit. Begging.
Angel was fantastic last night. It was never more evident that he has to be the guy with the ball, than watching spradling dufrane try to get away from the sisters. When MU turned up their on ball pressure Angel was the only one who could handle it. Now, the question will be whether angel can handle it consistently.
Yep. I was begging Frank to get Angel back in the game during the last 10 minutes when he sat him for a bit. Begging.
What was weird is that in the 1st half, we got what we wanted offensively. MU really didn’t apply that much on ball pressure; I’m sure being down double digits at home with like 15 left to go probably made them more aggressive, but when MU got into our guards (even Angel to a certain extent) their defense was entirely better. This is where their short bench affects them; they can’t play for the entire duraction because it will lead to foul trouble.
Side note> when the hell did we decide to push our breaks off made buckets? Like, this year, I don’t remember ever ever pushing it that hard and getting as many easy-ish buckets in transition off opp made baskets. Props to whomever scouted that one.
Loved Gottlieb almost having orgasms after a couple of Angel's great plays.
I said some angry chat words towards frank when we had the vic/sprads at PG combo in the game. unbelievably stupid lineup.
diaz has got to be hurt.
This is where J-Mart was so great. We'd be like, "Hey, is Diaz hurt?" and an hour later he's made a phone call and has a blog post up.
This is where J-Mart was so great. We'd be like, "Hey, is Diaz hurt?" and an hour later he's made a phone call and has a blog post up.
yes, and if it was a secret suspension it was a PM
Angel was fantastic last night. It was never more evident that he has to be the guy with the ball, than watching spradling dufrane try to get away from the sisters. When MU turned up their on ball pressure Angel was the only one who could handle it. Now, the question will be whether angel can handle it consistently.
Yep. I was begging Frank to get Angel back in the game during the last 10 minutes when he sat him for a bit. Begging.
What was weird is that in the 1st half, we got what we wanted offensively. MU really didn’t apply that much on ball pressure; I’m sure being down double digits at home with like 15 left to go probably made them more aggressive, but when MU got into our guards (even Angel to a certain extent) their defense was entirely better. This is where their short bench affects them; they can’t play for the entire duraction because it will lead to foul trouble.
Side note> when the hell did we decide to push our breaks off made buckets? Like, this year, I don’t remember ever ever pushing it that hard and getting as many easy-ish buckets in transition off opp made baskets. Props to whomever scouted that one.
From Kellis:
Frank Martin's plan was to run so the Wildcats could take advantage of it's depth.
"Keep running, keep running," Martin said. "We would get it out of the net, boom, we're up the floor right back at them. It was fun to watch."
Side note> when the hell did we decide to push our breaks off made buckets? Like, this year, I don’t remember ever ever pushing it that hard and getting as many easy-ish buckets in transition off opp made baskets. Props to whomever scouted that one.
This is where J-Mart was so great. We'd be like, "Hey, is Diaz hurt?" and an hour later he's made a phone call and has a blog post up.
yes, and if it was a secret suspension it was a PM
Are his phone and internet rough ridin' broke or something? :dunno:
Angel was fantastic last night. It was never more evident that he has to be the guy with the ball, than watching spradling dufrane try to get away from the sisters. When MU turned up their on ball pressure Angel was the only one who could handle it. Now, the question will be whether angel can handle it consistently.
Yep. I was begging Frank to get Angel back in the game during the last 10 minutes when he sat him for a bit. Begging.
diaz has got to be hurt.
diaz has got to be hurt.
JO is finally grabbing rebounds with authority, Samuels has stepped up since the ku game, and with Gipson playing like he did last night, there are not a lot of minutes to be had.
figgs had baylor so Undy?
figgs had baylor so Undy?
Based on the latest K-State HD highlight video showing him addressing the team at the whiteboard pre-game and how involved he was throughout the game, seems like Lamont possibly? Could that be?
First delivering Upshaw, then game planning last night?
Lamont! :gocho:
Nice free throws down the stretch, PG (and all season). :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush:
Nice free throws down the stretch, PG (and all season). :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush:
Angel definitely lost us the game
he didn't just play like one, he is one! c'mon frank, stop playing for the future and play for NOW.
OPERATION BENCH ANGEL
In before the inevitable "Missing free throw is no big deal/a big 'tuck talking point" talking point from the people here who will say whatever it takes to be (what they perceive as) anti-tuck.
:bwpopcorn:
Missing three free throws (if not more?) down the stretch that resulted in zero points and zero offensive rebounds for us that might have led to other points? From a point guard who has shot 53% from the line this season? Yeah. It matters.
In before the inevitable "Missing free throw is no big deal/a big 'tuck talking point" talking point from the people here who will say whatever it takes to be (what they perceive as) anti-tuck.
:bwpopcorn:
Missing three free throws (if not more?) down the stretch that resulted in zero points and zero offensive rebounds for us that might have led to other points? From a point guard who has shot 53% from the line this season? Yeah. It matters.
In before the inevitable "Missing free throw is no big deal/a big 'tuck talking point" talking point from the people here who will say whatever it takes to be (what they perceive as) anti-tuck.
:bwpopcorn:
Missing three free throws (if not more?) down the stretch that resulted in zero points and zero offensive rebounds for us that might have led to other points? From a point guard who has shot 53% from the line this season? Yeah. It matters.
if we had two angels playing then we win today. if we had two wills playing then we would've lost by double digits.
I mean there's no way to argue that Angel wasn't bad in the final two minutes. If he's going to achieve our vision for him he needs to be clutch on FTs and he isn't right now.
I mean, 8 assists, 11 points, 3 steals and 1 turnover.
I don't understand what more could be asked from a point guard
I mean, 8 assists, 11 points, 3 steals and 1 turnover.
I don't understand what more could be asked from a point guard
I mean there's no way to argue that Angel wasn't bad in the final two minutes. If he's going to achieve our vision for him he needs to be clutch on FTs and he isn't right now.
he wasn't bad. he went under on a screen on a really good shooter. that looks bad, but none of us even know how he was told to defend that. he went for two risky steals, and got one of them setting up an important dunk. giving up fts on the other. and he missed a few fts. that's not a heroic performance, but it's not horrible either. it's just being really active and in the middle of every play and not being able to make enough positive plays to counter the other team.
Angel was definitely very good overall today and not the main reason we lost, though you have to admit how much he sucks at the line is very disconcerting. But this one, like many this season, is more on Sprads. I mean, I can't even tell you all the horrible thoughts I'm having about this d00d right now. Like, borderline violent. He is just awful and needs to go to some sort of hypnotist or something because this is rough ridin' ridiculous.Everybody besides JO, Angel and to a lesser extent Rod and Southy was terrible today. Meltdown and be disconcerted about everyone else, but those four are basically exempt from this one, imo.
Angel was definitely very good overall today and not the main reason we lost, though you have to admit how much he sucks at the line is very disconcerting. But this one, like many this season, is more on Sprads. I mean, I can't even tell you all the horrible thoughts I'm having about this d00d right now. Like, borderline violent. He is just awful and needs to go to some sort of hypnotist or something because this is rough ridin' ridiculous.Everybody besides JO, Angel and to a lesser extent Rod and Southy was terrible today. Meltdown and be disconcerted about everyone else, but those four are basically exempt from this one, imo.
If Victor keeps playing significant minutes, it's a tie between he and Will.Angel was definitely very good overall today and not the main reason we lost, though you have to admit how much he sucks at the line is very disconcerting. But this one, like many this season, is more on Sprads. I mean, I can't even tell you all the horrible thoughts I'm having about this d00d right now. Like, borderline violent. He is just awful and needs to go to some sort of hypnotist or something because this is rough ridin' ridiculous.Everybody besides JO, Angel and to a lesser extent Rod and Southy was terrible today. Meltdown and be disconcerted about everyone else, but those four are basically exempt from this one, imo.
's probably fair. So who do we hate most on this team overall? Legit question. Feel like Sprads is in the lead so down the stretch. :dunno:
If Victor keeps playing significant minutes, it's a tie between he and Will.Angel was definitely very good overall today and not the main reason we lost, though you have to admit how much he sucks at the line is very disconcerting. But this one, like many this season, is more on Sprads. I mean, I can't even tell you all the horrible thoughts I'm having about this d00d right now. Like, borderline violent. He is just awful and needs to go to some sort of hypnotist or something because this is rough ridin' ridiculous.Everybody besides JO, Angel and to a lesser extent Rod and Southy was terrible today. Meltdown and be disconcerted about everyone else, but those four are basically exempt from this one, imo.
's probably fair. So who do we hate most on this team overall? Legit question. Feel like Sprads is in the lead so down the stretch. :dunno:
's probably fair. So who do we hate most on this team overall? Legit question. Feel like Sprads is in the lead so down the stretch. :dunno:If Victor keeps playing significant minutes, it's a tie between he and Will.
anyone still talking about semi is a dumbass
I wish Angel would've hit those free throws, though.
ALLERIK FREEMAN
I wish Angel would've hit those free throws, though.Yeah..
The screen was too deep on the floor. Our ball-screen defense is called by the guy guarding the screener. Jordan (Henriquez) made a call, and Angel (Rodriguez) did what Jordan asked him to do.
QuoteThe screen was too deep on the floor. Our ball-screen defense is called by the guy guarding the screener. Jordan (Henriquez) made a call, and Angel (Rodriguez) did what Jordan asked him to do.
Well there goes that talking point.
Wait, those GPC posts are like, jokes right.
SkinnyBenny embarrassed the hell out of goEMAW today. What a racist prick.
I'm not joking at all when I say you're either #teamangel or #teamracist, especially if you don't hate Sprads more than you hate Angel.
SkinnyBenny embarrassed the hell out of goEMAW today. What a racist prick.
I'm not joking at all when I say you're either #teamangel or #teamracist, especially if you don't hate Sprads more than you hate Angel.
Re: Spradling has become a major liability!
The ISUZU guard destroyed Angel as well. Fouled him out left Angel picking up his jock strap on several occasions.
SkinnyBenny embarrassed the hell out of goEMAW today. What a racist prick.
I'm not joking at all when I say you're either #teamangel or #teamracist, especially if you don't hate Sprads more than you hate Angel.
Angel was definitely very good overall today and not the main reason we lost, though you have to admit how much he sucks at the line is very disconcerting. But this one, like many this season, is more on Sprads. I mean, I can't even tell you all the horrible thoughts I'm having about this d00d right now. Like, borderline violent. He is just awful and needs to go to some sort of hypnotist or something because this is rough ridin' ridiculous.
In before the inevitable "Missing free throw is no big deal/a big 'tuck talking point" talking point from the people here who will say whatever it takes to be (what they perceive as) anti-tuck.
:bwpopcorn:
Missing three free throws (if not more?) down the stretch that resulted in zero points and zero offensive rebounds for us that might have led to other points? From a point guard who has shot 53% from the line this season? Yeah. It matters.
I'm talking about this quote, SB.In before the inevitable "Missing free throw is no big deal/a big 'tuck talking point" talking point from the people here who will say whatever it takes to be (what they perceive as) anti-tuck.
:bwpopcorn:
Missing three free throws (if not more?) down the stretch that resulted in zero points and zero offensive rebounds for us that might have led to other points? From a point guard who has shot 53% from the line this season? Yeah. It matters.
Also, the fact that you bumped this thread. I know that the only talking point you have is missed FT's (because that's the only thing he wasn't amazing at today), but it's obvious where you want to put the blame. Didn't see you bump the "Spradling should be run off the team" thread.
Also, the fact that you bumped this thread. I know that the only talking point you have is missed FT's (because that's the only thing he wasn't amazing at today), but it's obvious where you want to put the blame. Didn't see you bump the "Spradling should be run off the team" thread.
People need to quit transferring their disappointment of Angel into hate for Sprads. The critical point people here fail to realize is that Sprads is what he is and for the past few months has not be relied on as a play maker. Guess what, Frank is treating him like the majority of the team. Angel has been getting special treatment and has been getting a pass from the usual in game Frankment. Angel has been doing a terrible job of picking which side of screens to go through and his decisions as a point guard have unequivocally cost us game. On the flip side the majority of his on ball defense has been good, not even comparable to sprads, and he has won us several games, on the road with his play, when its within the system (mizzou/Baylor).
People need to quit transferring their disappointment of Angel into hate for Sprads.
I agree that right now in the season he makes this team go (good and bad). Without a doubt he has learned lessons by playing through stuff that other players would learn through Frankment on the bench. But if he is going to get a pass from Frankment, people need to recognize that he needs critical evaluation still. He still needs to get better on defense with decision making on screens, Mizzou was great, ISU just horrid. I just wish #teamangel people realized how good he has it, and that he still needs to get a crap ton better to make this team into its fullest potential this season.People need to quit transferring their disappointment of Angel into hate for Sprads. The critical point people here fail to realize is that Sprads is what he is and for the past few months has not be relied on as a play maker. Guess what, Frank is treating him like the majority of the team. Angel has been getting special treatment and has been getting a pass from the usual in game Frankment. Angel has been doing a terrible job of picking which side of screens to go through and his decisions as a point guard have unequivocally cost us game. On the flip side the majority of his on ball defense has been good, not even comparable to sprads, and he has won us several games, on the road with his play, when its within the system (mizzou/Baylor).
Angel gets a pass because the offense completely goes into the garbage when he's not on the floor.
I mean, hey, if we want to completely trash the season to prove points of Angel, whatever, but being that he's the only guard that can create right now, he needs a pass every now and again.
I love the angel gets a pass from frank talking point.not what I said or intended. Angel gets a pass from the usual frankment that most everyone else faces. Fair enough?
very subtle
I get what you are saying ;) ;) ;)I love the angel gets a pass from frank talking point.not what I said or intended. Angel gets a pass from the usual frankment that most everyone else faces. Fair enough?
very subtle
I agree that right now in the season he makes this team go (good and bad). Without a doubt he has learned lessons by playing through stuff that other players would learn through Frankment on the bench. But if he is going to get a pass from Frankment, people need to recognize that he needs critical evaluation still. He still needs to get better on defense with decision making on screens, Mizzou was great, ISU just horrid. I just wish #teamangel people realized how good he has it, and that he still needs to get a crap ton better to make this team into its fullest potential this season.People need to quit transferring their disappointment of Angel into hate for Sprads. The critical point people here fail to realize is that Sprads is what he is and for the past few months has not be relied on as a play maker. Guess what, Frank is treating him like the majority of the team. Angel has been getting special treatment and has been getting a pass from the usual in game Frankment. Angel has been doing a terrible job of picking which side of screens to go through and his decisions as a point guard have unequivocally cost us game. On the flip side the majority of his on ball defense has been good, not even comparable to sprads, and he has won us several games, on the road with his play, when its within the system (mizzou/Baylor).
Angel gets a pass because the offense completely goes into the garbage when he's not on the floor.
I mean, hey, if we want to completely trash the season to prove points of Angel, whatever, but being that he's the only guard that can create right now, he needs a pass every now and again.
I agree that right now in the season he makes this team go (good and bad). Without a doubt he has learned lessons by playing through stuff that other players would learn through Frankment on the bench. But if he is going to get a pass from Frankment, people need to recognize that he needs critical evaluation still. He still needs to get better on defense with decision making on screens, Mizzou was great, ISU just horrid. I just wish #teamangel people realized how good he has it, and that he still needs to get a crap ton better to make this team into its fullest potential this season.People need to quit transferring their disappointment of Angel into hate for Sprads. The critical point people here fail to realize is that Sprads is what he is and for the past few months has not be relied on as a play maker. Guess what, Frank is treating him like the majority of the team. Angel has been getting special treatment and has been getting a pass from the usual in game Frankment. Angel has been doing a terrible job of picking which side of screens to go through and his decisions as a point guard have unequivocally cost us game. On the flip side the majority of his on ball defense has been good, not even comparable to sprads, and he has won us several games, on the road with his play, when its within the system (mizzou/Baylor).
Angel gets a pass because the offense completely goes into the garbage when he's not on the floor.
I mean, hey, if we want to completely trash the season to prove points of Angel, whatever, but being that he's the only guard that can create right now, he needs a pass every now and again.
I wish people that gave Angel a hard time realized that if he hadn't stepped up his game to the point where it is right now, and he sat the bench as much as they'd like him to for the purposes of "Franking", we'd probably be something like 6-10 instead of 8-8 and a solid lock for the NIT.
Frank is paid to win basketball games, and the only way he can do that is by putting Angel on the floor and rolling the dice with that decision. With Jones out, he has no other choice. Period. /thread
Without a doubt he has learned lessons by playing through stuff that other players would learn through Frankment on the bench.already noted. He has learned a lot. Sometimes I wish Frank wouldn't give our bigs like Diaz the Frankment and would let them learn on the court like he has allowed Angel to do.
also angel doesn't make as many mistakes that get you "Franked". Idiots.
The critical point people here fail to realize is that Sprads is what he is and for the past few months has not be relied on as a play maker.
if spradling is what he is, then he shouldn't play. i can live with him not being able to score off the bounce like i thought he could. i can even live with him being so afraid of getting his crap thrown that he catches an open layup off a cut and tosses it back out instead of going up. but if he can't shoot 3s, then he's not a big 12 starter.
could not be more #teamangel or more #teamrunspradsoffteamihatehimI am #TeamJOgel
also. skinny and ednksu.. there aren't enough facepalms in all the world.. not even close.
:thumbs:could not be more #teamangel or more #teamrunspradsoffteamihatehimI am #TeamJOgel
also. skinny and ednksu.. there aren't enough facepalms in all the world.. not even close.
could not be more #teamangel or more #teamrunspradsoffteamihatehim
also. skinny and ednksu.. there aren't enough facepalms in all the world.. not even close.
could not be more #teamangel or more #teamrunspradsoffteamihatehimweird, I really thought that Angel had helped JO improve. I guess you have some other reason for JO being less shitty on the offensive side?
also. skinny and ednksu.. there aren't enough facepalms in all the world.. not even close.
could not be more #teamangel or more #teamrunspradsoffteamihatehimweird, I really thought that Angel had helped JO improve. I guess you have some other reason for JO being less shitty on the offensive side?
also. skinny and ednksu.. there aren't enough facepalms in all the world.. not even close.
No question that Angel is creating for JO. JO isn't completely innocent, he is getting where he should be, but Angel is taking the ball handling and post moves part of it out. JO is showing very nice hands and great timing, though. The combo of these two will be a very big reason for any success we have going forward this year as well as next.
If JO is DOB, is Angel AOOB?
Nice free throws down the stretch, PG (and all season). :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush:
Angel definitely lost us the game
If JO is DOB, is Angel AOOB?
If JO is DOB, is Angel AOOB?
Clearly this is a fantastic new term, statmongers need to create a new stat tho....AOOB%
he is a tuff ass gym rat = only get better
In conference games, Angel is 3rd in the league in Assist% and 2nd in Steal%. :cool:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/conferences/big-12/player_stats?season=2011-2012&stat=5
http://statsheet.com/mcb/conferences/big-12/player_stats?season=2011-2012&stat=4
Angel is a spark plug on the court.Quote from: bphe is a tuff ass gym rat = only get better
In conference games, Angel is 3rd in the league in Assist% and 2nd in Steal%. :cool:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/conferences/big-12/player_stats?season=2011-2012&stat=5
http://statsheet.com/mcb/conferences/big-12/player_stats?season=2011-2012&stat=4
people are starting to scout him. a sign of respect, but he needs to diversify his game in response.
OK dumbasses Bob Knight says Angel sucks, so there ya go :dunno:
Radio heads said angel/Frank had a sideline blowout? Deets?
(didn't get to watch. stupid work)
Radio heads said angel/Frank had a sideline blowout? Deets?
(didn't get to watch. stupid work)
Angel seems completely unable to feel fear or doubt.
My fav thing about him.
It was a complete non-issue.
It was a complete non-issue.
This, other than Brent and Bob secretly (not really) wanting that mexican benched for any reason they could find.
Sounds glorious. He will be so damn cute cutting down those nets from Gip's shoulders.
It was a complete non-issue.
This, other than Brent and Bob secretly (not really) wanting that mexican benched for any reason they could find.
That was ridiculous. I was more mad about that than I was the game.