JO

[michigancat]

#witheyasaurus

[Fuktard]

It seems like there are lots on here criticizing/making fun of frank for "franking" jo...but after listening to frank this morning on 810, i gotta tell you that I love it and everyone should also.  He flat out said he would never sacrifice the commitment that he made to his players and their parents (a commitment to "make them a man") simply to win a game.  And you know what, he's absolutely proven that.  The guy is a flat out stand up guy and I love him for it.  blast away.

[bakerman]

eff that. it's their parents job to "make them a man". i'm so rough ridin' sick of that talking point. frank's job is to win games.

[stunted]

"Making them a man" equates more wins.

People don't realize, this has to be a 100% commitment.  You can't "make them men" 80% of the time, and then do whatever it takes to win the other 20%.  When he is consistent with that, it can't ever be the coach's fault.  If a coach beats his players, is a complete dick, but the players know it coming in, logically they cannot complain.  But players aren't logical all the time, like Sutton and Judge.  Could Frank have done a better job with them individually?  Of course, but to the detriment of everyone else.  Its there choice to not buy in.  Most coaches seem to play to win, save their jobs.  Frank coaches to get the best out of his players.  Results-oriented thinking is a terrible mindset to have.

Being consistently an bad person doesn't automatically translate into wins (example of player-beating coach).  What Frank does well is he knows how to show his soft side at appropriate times.  Also, being an bad person while showing a vulnerable side is the key to picking up chicks.

[Fuktard]

"Making them a man" equates more wins.

People don't realize, this has to be a 100% commitment.  You can't "make them men" 80% of the time, and then do whatever it takes to win the other 20%.  When he is consistent with that, it can't ever be the coach's fault.  If a coach beats his players, is a complete dick, but the players know it coming in, logically they cannot complain.  But players aren't logical all the time, like Sutton and Judge.  Could Frank have done a better job with them individually?  Of course, but to the detriment of everyone else.  Its there choice to not buy in.  Most coaches seem to play to win, save their jobs.  Frank coaches to get the best out of his players.  Results-oriented thinking is a terrible mindset to have.

Being consistently an bad person doesn't automatically translate into wins (example of player-beating coach).  What Frank does well is he knows how to show his soft side at appropriate times.  Also, being an bad person while showing a vulnerable side is the key to picking up chicks.

You could also mention that even with the "bad person" persona, and even thru the screaming, suspensions/franking, for the most part, his players respect the hell out of him and credit him with "saving their lives" among other things.  Don't forget some of these players don't have father figures/great parents....Frank demands respect and makes his expectations clear.  Players in turn respect that and those that buy in become better for it.

[wes mantooth]

It seems like there are lots on here criticizing/making fun of frank for "franking" jo...but after listening to frank this morning on 810, i gotta tell you that I love it and everyone should also.  He flat out said he would never sacrifice the commitment that he made to his players and their parents (a commitment to "make them a man") simply to win a game.  And you know what, he's absolutely proven that.  The guy is a flat out stand up guy and I love him for it.  blast away.

tucktard post

[8manpick]

Jeff Goodman @GoodmanCBS
K-State big man Jordan Henriquez has been reinstated by Frank Martin.

[SwiftCat]

 

[Dugout DickStone]

His first DOB will be very sweet for all of us.

[felix rex]

 

[MakeItRain]

Don't forget some of these players don't have father figures/great parents

Kietz made this same point last week but he said "most" instead of "some." I wonder how many people would note and notice the distinction?

[stunted]

It seems like there are lots on here criticizing/making fun of frank for "franking" jo...but after listening to frank this morning on 810, i gotta tell you that I love it and everyone should also.  He flat out said he would never sacrifice the commitment that he made to his players and their parents (a commitment to "make them a man") simply to win a game.  And you know what, he's absolutely proven that.  The guy is a flat out stand up guy and I love him for it.  blast away.

tucktard post

wes mantuck post.

[Fuktard]

It seems like there are lots on here criticizing/making fun of frank for "franking" jo...but after listening to frank this morning on 810, i gotta tell you that I love it and everyone should also.  He flat out said he would never sacrifice the commitment that he made to his players and their parents (a commitment to "make them a man") simply to win a game.  And you know what, he's absolutely proven that.  The guy is a flat out stand up guy and I love him for it.  blast away.

tucktard post

I'm sorry that I don't feel the need to post the most ridiculous, assinine negative comments about KSU sports to prevent the likes of assholes like you from calling me a tuck.  Again, I apologize.  No disrespect intended.

[Dugout DickStone]

I liked it FT.

[RightMeow]

I'm not sure if Frank just making these guys into men is gonna do it for me.  I want them to be ravenous, emotionally scarred, elite basketball players.  Like 5 Mike Tyson's out there, with so much balled up emotion that they puke and cry before and after every game and eat their opponents' children. 

[CNS]

I am perfectly fine with Frank making men.

Just as long as they want to physically harm their opponents once the whistle blows.

[AbeFroman]

eff that. it's their parents job to "make them a man". i'm so rough ridin' sick of that talking point. frank's job is to win games.

yes and no. Ideally yes, the parents would do that. But don't pretend 18 year olds are fully prepared "men". I don't want to pretend they're helpless children some make them out to be, but an 18 year old is not a finished product.

But if the parents failed to raise their kid well, plenty of athletes have had bad upbringings, I think Frank and any coach should be a parental figure that helps the player grow as a person.

[michigancat]

jesus christ this make them a man discussion.

[MakeItRain]

eff that. it's their parents job to "make them a man". i'm so rough ridin' sick of that talking point. frank's job is to win games.

yes and no. Ideally yes, the parents would do that. But don't pretend 18 year olds are fully prepared "men". I don't want to pretend they're helpless children some make them out to be, but an 18 year old is not a finished product.

Thank you, someone actually able to understand Frank's "men" talking point.  This isn't about Frank taking a bunch of inner city bastard children under his wing, for the most part his players don't portray that stereotype.  We frequently hear media and tucks comparing Frank's players to the image of Huggins' players at Cincinnati and that just isn't accurate.  The "men" talking point is about bringing along 18 year old kids far away from home for the first time and making sure that when they go home to their mothers AND fathers they aren't lazy, disrespectful, sleep until noon, smelly, beer drinking assholes that many boys become after they had some time away.

[kso_FAN]

eff that. it's their parents job to "make them a man". i'm so rough ridin' sick of that talking point. frank's job is to win games.

yes and no. Ideally yes, the parents would do that. But don't pretend 18 year olds are fully prepared "men". I don't want to pretend they're helpless children some make them out to be, but an 18 year old is not a finished product.

Thank you, someone actually able to understand Frank's "men" talking point.  This isn't about Frank taking a bunch of inner city bastard children under his wing, for the most part his players don't portray that stereotype.  We frequently hear media and tucks comparing Frank's players to the image of Huggins' players at Cincinnati and that just isn't accurate.  The "men" talking point is about bringing along 18 year old kids far away from home for the first time and making sure that when they go home to their mothers AND fathers they aren't lazy, disrespectful, sleep until noon, smelly, beer drinking assholes that many boys become after they had some time away.

Yes, this is what any good coach should be doing. Doesn't matter where the kids are from and applies at some level no matter what age they are.

[steve dave]

jesus christ this make them a man discussion.

[Spaces]

DOB's tonight 

[CNS]

Gonna kill many on here when JO is hanging out with Nino and Watson all game.

[steve dave]

Gonna kill many on here when JO is hanging out with Nino and Watson all game.

how many normally good message boarders are going to ask, "WHY ISN'T NINO PLAYING!?"

[CNS]

Gonna kill many on here when JO is hanging out with Nino and Watson all game.

how many normally good message boarders are going to ask, "WHY ISN'T NINO PLAYING!?"

a lot?