Obama sez No to Keystone

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Why is Obama the final say on a pipeline? 

[sonofdaxjones]

Why is Obama the final say on a pipeline?

The renderings of elected despotism?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I'm serious. How did interstate pipeline become something the president approves?

[sys]

I'm serious. How did interstate pipeline become something the president approves?

the project would require the review/approval of a number of executive branches anyways (depts of interior, energy, epa, etc), but because it crosses an international border it also falls under the review of the dept. of state.  the dept. of the state's review is by far the broadest in scope.  the dept. of the state decides if the project is in the nation's interest.

the president heads the executive branch of government and has final authority over the executive departments and agencies.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Gawd, our president sucks so hard

[star seed 7]

 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

You've really been off your pit game lately. What gives?

[star seed 7]

You've really been off your pit game lately. What gives?

you got annihilated by sys and your response was "gawd, our president sucks so hard", excuse me for finding that very  worthy

 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

You've really been off your pit game lately. What gives?

you got annihilated by sys and your response was "gawd, our president sucks so hard", excuse me for finding that very  worthy
I'm
 

Wut?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

 So the senate voted on the keystone today but fell one short of the needed 60 votes (59 voted yes).  Is presume this is some legislative remedy around the administrative roadblock and why B.O. is the final say (via veto).

[sys]

Is presume this is some legislative remedy around the administrative roadblock and why B.O. is the final say (via veto).

the Keystone XL bill will not let any other pipelines that cross international borders bypass the State Department's permitting process.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/11/18/another-reason-to-be-outraged-over-congress-keystone-bill-it-gives-one-company-special-treatment/

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Sys is a great research assistant. 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

So the senate voted on the keystone today but fell one short of the needed 60 votes (59 voted yes).  Is presume this is some legislative remedy around the administrative roadblock and why B.O. is the final say (via veto).

One last hurrah for the lame duck Dem majority. The vote was calculated to fall exactly one vote short, but next session I don't think they'll have 41 votes. It will finally land on Obama's desk. But at this point, the issue is making the entire Dem party look silly, not just Obama.

[star seed 7]

god damn calculating dems 

[renocat]

 I am afraid environmentalists will sue and tie this up in court no matter what Congress does.  Most people do not realize that most enviromental laws have citizen lawsuits provisions that the public can use to force the government to enforce law and regulation standards.  Also Native Americans say the pipeline will cross their sovereign nation and will sue also.   Meanwhile,  Canada will likely determine Marvy Superhero Envirohole Obama will fight this because conservatives want it, and build a trans-Canada to an eastern seaport to ship oil out in tankers, likely to China.  China will burn the hell out it and pollute the air.

[sys]

it's been a long-time since keystone xl was proposed, people haven't been just sitting around waiting for it.  there's oil coming south now, and numerous planned/proposed new pipelines and expansions.  at a minimum, expansion of transmountain and expansion of the alberta clipper seem likely (to me) to go through no matter what happens with keystone xl.  each would have about the same capacity as keystone xl.

the oil isn't going to be stranded.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

god damn calculating dems 

Why are you mad about it? I just think it's funny that the media reports this "it failed by a single vote" BS as if it was that close to passing! The votes are decided ahead of time, allowing as many vulnerable Dems as possible to vote in favor of popular legislation while still ensuring that the bill is defeated to appease the activist base that is so contrary to public opinion. Hell, they probably draw straws for all I know.

[8manpick]

Is presume this is some legislative remedy around the administrative roadblock and why B.O. is the final say (via veto).

the Keystone XL bill will not let any other pipelines that cross international borders bypass the State Department's permitting process.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/11/18/another-reason-to-be-outraged-over-congress-keystone-bill-it-gives-one-company-special-treatment/

That seems like a really bad thing, why would people want that passed?

[Dugout DickStone]

We gotta re-write the constitution to stop allowing our democratically elected leaders to vote on stuff

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

We gotta re-write the constitution to stop allowing our democratically elected leaders to vote on stuff

Amendment is a pain on the ass. Just ignore it like our president (the constitutional law "scholar") does.

[Mr Bread]

seven, Obama is now a confirmed ideologue, as in "the end justifies the means". Ideologues, by definition, don't compromise.

What is his "end" that you're perceiving here?  What will he burn the country to the ground to accomplish?

[Dugout DickStone]

seven, Obama is now a confirmed ideologue, as in "the end justifies the means". Ideologues, by definition, don't compromise.

What is his "end" that you're perceiving here?  What will he burn the country to the ground to accomplish?

Destroying the American way of life

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

seven, Obama is now a confirmed ideologue, as in "the end justifies the means". Ideologues, by definition, don't compromise.

What is his "end" that you're perceiving here?  What will he burn the country to the ground to accomplish?

The end was Obamacare and the means involved intentionally lying to you about what the bill really was and is.

[Mr Bread]

So in your mind he's going to veto this pipeline bill coming up to save obamacare? 

[Spracne]

Maybe he just really, really likes Miller Lite?  Ain't nothin' wrong with that.