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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #800 on: October 26, 2016, 09:53:15 AM »
Hi Mrs Gooch, do you eat meat of any sort?  Have any sort of dietary restrictions, self-imposed or other?

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #801 on: October 26, 2016, 09:57:54 AM »
The clause even says "subject to reasonable laws"   

Not sure how people think this is open to abuse.  It sounds like theres a different narrative going on.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #802 on: October 26, 2016, 10:45:58 AM »
I do not eat hunted meat.
One time my boss brought in some deer jerky :lick: but that deer was killed by a car.

The word "reasonable" is open to interpretation

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #803 on: October 26, 2016, 10:52:29 AM »
Yeah, but its open to interpretation in broad sense, not a limiting sense.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #804 on: October 26, 2016, 11:02:45 AM »
I asked if you ate meat because store bought meat is from animals that are treated pretty cruelly.  It seems hypocritical to be okay with that but against trapping for cruelty reasons.  Even trapped animals are treated more humanely than many farm animals.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #805 on: October 26, 2016, 11:08:41 AM »
Just voted yes to the prop this morning I'm glad this thread was able to educate me
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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #806 on: October 26, 2016, 11:14:02 AM »
I asked if you ate meat because store bought meat is from animals that are treated pretty cruelly.  It seems hypocritical to be okay with that but against trapping for cruelty reasons.  Even trapped animals are treated more humanely than many farm animals.

I've never seen a cow or pig chew its leg off to get out of a snare.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #807 on: October 26, 2016, 11:20:13 AM »
I don't think the right to eat meat is in the constitution and I did not say  it is a right.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #808 on: October 26, 2016, 11:27:09 AM »
I asked if you ate meat because store bought meat is from animals that are treated pretty cruelly.  It seems hypocritical to be okay with that but against trapping for cruelty reasons.  Even trapped animals are treated more humanely than many farm animals.

I've never seen a cow or pig chew its leg off to get out of a snare.

Is this the hill you want to die on? 

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #809 on: October 26, 2016, 11:30:23 AM »
i don't think we get to play god and fool with what our founders set up for us

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #810 on: October 26, 2016, 11:31:22 AM »
I don't think the right to eat meat is in the constitution and I did not say  it is a right.

Neither am I.  I'm saying you're a hypocrite. 

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #811 on: October 26, 2016, 11:34:00 AM »
This is what kansas lawmakers think is important? This amendment makes no sense at all, vote no
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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #812 on: October 26, 2016, 11:36:48 AM »
I asked if you ate meat because store bought meat is from animals that are treated pretty cruelly.  It seems hypocritical to be okay with that but against trapping for cruelty reasons.  Even trapped animals are treated more humanely than many farm animals.

I've never seen a cow or pig chew its leg off to get out of a snare.

Is this the hill you want to die on?

I'm just trying to follow the discussion on how trapping for fur equates to food animals and animal treatment, and how that ties into the proposed constitutional right to hunt and fish.

The question that people should ask themselves before they vote is: Do I hunt or fish? Then vote accordingly.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #813 on: October 26, 2016, 11:37:49 AM »
I definitely think that we can all agree that this is without a doubt the biggest issue facing KS these days.  Good thing the govt is proactive and doing something before it becomes a big deal.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #814 on: October 26, 2016, 11:39:20 AM »
What other currently legal hobbies should be a right?

Skydiving?
LARPing?
Pick up basketball?
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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #815 on: October 26, 2016, 11:46:32 AM »
What other currently legal hobbies should be a right?

Skydiving?
LARPing?
Pick up basketball?

Yes, this is what I am saying. Just because something should be allowed does not mean it should be a constitutional right.


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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #816 on: October 26, 2016, 11:47:10 AM »
This is a stupid issue. I understand why this was brought up since it ties back into the "right to food." People have the right to produce food for themselves and hunting and fishing is a right to food.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #817 on: October 26, 2016, 11:47:17 AM »
I asked if you ate meat because store bought meat is from animals that are treated pretty cruelly.  It seems hypocritical to be okay with that but against trapping for cruelty reasons.  Even trapped animals are treated more humanely than many farm animals.

I've never seen a cow or pig chew its leg off to get out of a snare.

Is this the hill you want to die on?

I'm just trying to follow the discussion on how trapping for fur equates to food animals and animal treatment, and how that ties into the proposed constitutional right to hunt and fish.

The question that people should ask themselves before they vote is: Do I hunt or fish? Then vote accordingly.

I have never seen a documented case of an animal actually chewing it's way out of a snare.  It's a myth.

Anyway, another question might be "do I somehow benefit by hunting or fishing?"  Or "does someone I care about enjoy hunting or fishing?"  Or "is hunting or fishing the most ethical and humane method of controlling wildlife populations?"  Or "do I want my state spending tax dollars to fight frivolous lawsuits brought before it by animal rights activists?" 

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #818 on: October 26, 2016, 12:04:24 PM »
Hunting is already legal so why do we need a constitutional amendment?  Seems like frivolous big government

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #819 on: October 26, 2016, 12:09:54 PM »
this entire conversation seems frivolous.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #820 on: October 26, 2016, 12:11:03 PM »
I don't think the right to eat meat is in the constitution and I did not say  it is a right.

Neither am I.  I'm saying you're a hypocrite.

How am I a hypocrite? I never said that traping should be illegal.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #821 on: October 26, 2016, 01:01:30 PM »
Ok.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #822 on: October 26, 2016, 01:15:22 PM »
What other currently legal hobbies should be a right?

Skydiving?
LARPing?
Pick up basketball?

Put those on the ballot, and I'll vote yes to all 3.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #823 on: October 26, 2016, 01:19:05 PM »
I mean, my god, imagine saying SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED to your HOA when you are putting up your brand new basketball goal. We don't have enough rights, really.

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Re: Killing animals
« Reply #824 on: October 26, 2016, 01:22:17 PM »
I'd like to add the right to have a chalk-free driveway.