phog.net realignment gems

[OregonSmock]

Kietzman update courtesy of phog:

I know, no one likes these topics, but it's media figures like this that like to stir the pot and another instance of a KSU fan wanting to drag KU down with it.

Our favorite "broadcast journalist" at it again saying its the responsibility of the governor and the Kansas BoR to make sure KU and KSU stay together.  No reason to split up the schools when they can both move to a BCS conference in the Big East even if KU gets an ACC or PAC offer.

Also said most people west of Topeka only care about the KU-KSU rivalry and they can't break it up.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

Congrats to BITB for being the wolf that runs through the hen house to get things stirred up. . . perfect for ratings.

[OregonSmock]

I'd consider granting them tagalong rights in return for a 90/10 split of their conference revenue and an exclusive right to recruit the state of KS + the KC metro with regards to revenue sports. They can keep all rights to their equestrian recruiting base. I might go down as far as 75/25 on the revenue split.

But what about soil judging? Can they keep all their soil judging revenue? And if they get a soil judging network will they be allowed to broadcast high school soil judging competition?

 

[jtksu]

Man, 13-1 is just eating them alive.

[yoga-like_abana]

grats beems

[sonofdaxjones]

Nothing gets the hens all a flutter like BITB saying the gub and KBOR must force the schools to stay together.

All we need now is a good basketball on football slap fight in Wescoe Hall and Nick Wright might as well go on sabbatical.

[Stevesie60]

 

Even Keegan doesn't think KU can go big 10.

OK, so the Jayhawks can’t go north and have reason not to want to go west.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2011/sep/14/big-east-best-bet-ku/

[joda]

I've seen numbers skewed every which way indicating who "owns" the KC market, but in reality no one school brings a majority of the city. My personal observation of the town is it is about 30% each to KU and MU, 20% KSU (with the KSU number increasing slightly during fb season and the KU number dropping), 10% Iowa and Nebraska, and 10% to whichever game happens to be on while they're prepping their mullet for sunday.

Nobody wants only 30% of KC, that's like getting a 3some with 2 really fat chicks, sure it's a 3some, but you don't really want it. In all honesty MU is the only one of the KU/MU/KSU triangle that is worth something by themselves because they also bring in part of the St. Louis market and almost all of the rest of the state. It's not a matter of KU and KSU being tied together, it's that when these conferences really get down to who they want KU and KSU by themselves aren't worth very much, they either will want both or 1+MU. If a conference where to take KU by themselves, they're basically gambling that several things will happen 1) KSU ends up outside the BCS, 2) enough KSU fans will make KU their BCS team (they obviously don't know our tucks well) to grab at least 40-50% of KC 60+% of Wichita and 75+% of the rest of the state, 3) sometime in the next 20 years KU develops some semblance of a solid football program so they can capture the next couple generations in this area.

[kim carnes]

I've seen numbers skewed every which way indicating who "owns" the KC market, but in reality no one school brings a majority of the city. My personal observation of the town is it is about 30% each to KU and MU, 20% KSU (with the KSU number increasing slightly during fb season and the KU number dropping), 10% Iowa and Nebraska, and 10% to whichever game happens to be on while they're prepping their mullet for sunday.

Nobody wants only 30% of KC, that's like getting a 3some with 2 really fat chicks, sure it's a 3some, but you don't really want it. In all honesty MU is the only one of the KU/MU/KSU triangle that is worth something by themselves because they also bring in part of the St. Louis market and almost all of the rest of the state. It's not a matter of KU and KSU being tied together, it's that when these conferences really get down to who they want KU and KSU by themselves aren't worth very much, they either will want both or 1+MU. If a conference where to take KU by themselves, they're basically gambling that several things will happen 1) KSU ends up outside the BCS, 2) enough KSU fans will make KU their BCS team (they obviously don't know our tucks well) to grab at least 40-50% of KC 60+% of Wichita and 75+% of the rest of the state, 3) sometime in the next 20 years KU develops some semblance of a solid football program so they can capture the next couple generations in this area.

LOL that people think any conference gives two shits about the KC market.  The only reason any conference is interested in adding either school is because they have decent BCS athletic programs.  eff, some of you are clueless.

[bigwillie20]

I'm really hoping babytears isn't a beems sock...if it is stick to that account ben.  If not, stick around babytears nice to have a logical squawk to bbs with 

[joda]

I've seen numbers skewed every which way indicating who "owns" the KC market, but in reality no one school brings a majority of the city. My personal observation of the town is it is about 30% each to KU and MU, 20% KSU (with the KSU number increasing slightly during fb season and the KU number dropping), 10% Iowa and Nebraska, and 10% to whichever game happens to be on while they're prepping their mullet for sunday.

Nobody wants only 30% of KC, that's like getting a 3some with 2 really fat chicks, sure it's a 3some, but you don't really want it. In all honesty MU is the only one of the KU/MU/KSU triangle that is worth something by themselves because they also bring in part of the St. Louis market and almost all of the rest of the state. It's not a matter of KU and KSU being tied together, it's that when these conferences really get down to who they want KU and KSU by themselves aren't worth very much, they either will want both or 1+MU. If a conference where to take KU by themselves, they're basically gambling that several things will happen 1) KSU ends up outside the BCS, 2) enough KSU fans will make KU their BCS team (they obviously don't know our tucks well) to grab at least 40-50% of KC 60+% of Wichita and 75+% of the rest of the state, 3) sometime in the next 20 years KU develops some semblance of a solid football program so they can capture the next couple generations in this area.

LOL that people think any conference gives two shits about the KC market.  The only reason any conference is interested in adding either school is because they have decent BCS athletic programs.  eff, some of you are clueless.

The only reason they're interested in decent athletic programs is decent athletic programs=more tvs and since the KC market is the biggest one that either KState or KU has a share of that's what they're interested in, maybe not the city itself.

[fatty fat fat]

and be able to snuggle up with academic titans Oregon State, Arizona and Arizona State in the Pac-12.

I really hate how kstate fans do this btw. What on earth do you know about those schools to sarcastically refer to them as academic titans?

As for KU seperating from KSU....not sure why you think it will benefit KU. Having KSU light a fire under your asses helps.

So unless it's been a life long mission for KU alums/fans to demote KSU to a lesser conference, i'm not sure why all KU fans are so bent on KSU going MWC while KU staying BCS.

[sonofdaxjones]

Lighten up Fatty, if anyone knows that in terms of rankings that K-State is right there with those schools, it's me . . .

The issue is, it's ku and mu folks who run around talking about "academic fit" when their schools have done nothing but tumble down the academic ranking charts over the last 5 years . . . and yes I understand just how subjective academic rankings are as well.

[michigancat]

I love these with all of my heart:

You still need to face the harsh reality of any hope that your school has getting into a BCS conference is by riding the coattails of KU.

There is a reason why KU's name is at least thrown around as a candidate for multiple conferences and KSU's name is only mentioned when paired with KU.  Did you not see that obvious fact?  KSU is not even a little brother like OSU is to OU.  They are a ******** cousin.

Personally, I want to ditch KSU because of fans like you and see your reaction when you realize that you are a liability to KU instead of a asset.

You are pretty much Missouri State.  It's about time you are shown that.

[sonofdaxjones]

I love these with all of my heart:

You still need to face the harsh reality of any hope that your school has getting into a BCS conference is by riding the coattails of KU.

There is a reason why KU's name is at least thrown around as a candidate for multiple conferences and KSU's name is only mentioned when paired with KU.  Did you not see that obvious fact?  KSU is not even a little brother like OSU is to OU.  They are a ******** cousin.

Personally, I want to ditch KSU because of fans like you and see your reaction when you realize that you are a liability to KU instead of a asset.

You are pretty much Missouri State.  It's about time you are shown that.

 

[mcmwcat]

it's losing it's humor and starting to hurt.  these ku fans make me think that they actually hate the state of Kansas.  hey, Jayhawks, what's the matter with Kansas?

[ednksu]

i am obviously no attorney, but what kind of legal recourse can be taken against the BOR if they decide to try and screw KU?  I know the University of Kansas can't sue the BOR, but what about Kansas Athletics?  Aren't they a private company?  Also, what about a group of alums getting together?  I would think that even the threat of a law suit would be enough to keep them out of this situation.

Difficult road for any kind of legal action (taxpayer funded university, member of the BOR, etc.).  KU would have to prove that the KSBOR screwed them financially and that they did so with intent (at least that is the best way I can explain it off of what I was told).  Even then, no guarantee. 

KU could always threaten to transition from a BOR school to a municipal university (funding would come from city/county property taxes instead of state money).  They would be above any KSBOR action at that point and KU would actually have its own BOR.  This is how Washburn is FWIW.

[WillieWatanabe]

BMW, you can't seriously read some of these gems and not think these dudes are batshit crazy. Impossible.

[ednksu]

BMW, you can't seriously read some of these gems and not think these dudes are batshit crazy. Impossible.

see my sig. I'm sure he believes everything 100%

[sonofdaxjones]

Good luck with that whole transition from a state university to a municipal university thing.   I kind of hope that does happen, because that would take all of ku's begging in Topeka to an entirely new level of humor.

[sonofdaxjones]

Hey Notre Dame "only" had $35 million dollars more in major sport gross revenues than ku did in FY 2009-2010. 

When will articles like, "What will ku do?"  "Will ku take Texas and OU with them" "ku has big decisions on its athletic future" start appearing by the truckload since the news is out and they're worth just as much as Notre Dame in the sports media market place??

[sonofdaxjones]

The Notre Dame Radio Network is comprised of over 125 stations in over 30 states, covering the majority of the Top 35 plus media markets from Coast-to-Coast and Hawaii.

The ku radio network is comprised of 32 stations covering 1 major media market and the state of Kansas.   

But hey, ku is worth the same in the media marketplace as Notre Dame.

[ednksu]

whats even better is that Beems has no concept of what kind of alumni base Notre Dame has.  No concept of what kind of political and social power they have. 

[deputy dawg]

it's losing it's humor and starting to hurt.  these ku fans make me think that they actually hate the state of Kansas.  hey, Jayhawks, what's the matter with Kansas?

What a lot of KSU fans miss in this discussion is that ku fans are using this as part of their longer-term agenda of eliminating K-State from the state of Kansas altogether.  Their argument is that Kansas cannot support two large universities, and that all resources should be directed to ku.  This would give them a lot more funding, and a lot less in-state embarrassment that comes with losing to K-State in collegiate athletics.  What those fools don't seem to comprehend is the very different academic missions of the two schools.  As a land grant university, K-State will promote agricultural education programs, as well as other technical degree programs not found widely in other institutions (dietetics, dairy science, evapo-transpiration studies).  These are unique, and not widely taught, and make K-State MORE, not less valuable as an educational institution in the state of Kansas.  ku is a more traditional university with a bias towards liberal arts and other educational missions found in every state in the country.  In other words, K-State brings a lot to the table in producing better farmers, engineers, dieticians, etc. that ku simply can't match.  As for ku's academic mission, apart from their med school, how many more insurance salesman and retail clerks does the state of Kansas actually need?

[sonofdaxjones]

When it comes to the industries that dominate the GDP of Kansas there's no contest between who is more engaged between the 2 schools.   When it comes to emerging areas of economic growth that various entities in Kansas are trying to push, K-State is just as well positioned, if not more so than ku is . . . in several areas, again, it's no contest.

This is why they wailed and screamed and demanded that the Kansas Bio-Science authority help fund a Cancer research center when K-State got NBAF, and this is why they worked hard for awhile to stop K-State-Olathe, and then when the hand writing was on the wall demanded that they be made a part of that process.