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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2011, 10:13:10 AM »
Why do people so passionately defend Braden Wilson every time I post about him? I think he sucks. Get over it.

_33, how dare you offer up an opinion that doesn't go along with what old balls and mel kiper (who?) think.

jfc, this place is tarding up quickly this offseason.
OK, people who hate BW are the same kind of people who hate Gaga.  

Chew on that for a while.

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #51 on: August 25, 2011, 10:16:40 AM »
You're probably right.


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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #52 on: August 25, 2011, 10:52:01 AM »
Why do people so passionately defend Braden Wilson every time I post about him? I think he sucks. Get over it.

_33, how dare you offer up an opinion that doesn't go along with what old balls and mel kiper (who?) think.

jfc, this place is tarding up quickly this offseason.

just what i was thinking.  lose cool pts if you actually post that a small-town white kid on the squad is good.  god forbid we might have a good player without dreads, tats and a connection to the inner-city.  sometimes in the midst of a never ending quest to swim against the tide or say the opposite of what most fans are saying you deny realistic thought.  I do give credibility to what Kiper says or who he lists not because of his own personal beliefs but because of where he gathers his information for said projections or rankings.  Speaking for myself, I watch plenty of our games in intricate detail...I rarely follow the ball and watch the games over.  The kid is good.  He doesn't truck defenders on every single play...no one does, but he sure as hell makes a lot of damn good blocks.  Yep, he misses or whiffs on some, too.  They all do.

keep on keepin' on 33 and OK.  do your thang.
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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #53 on: August 25, 2011, 10:56:58 AM »
Why do people so passionately defend Braden Wilson every time I post about him? I think he sucks. Get over it.

_33, how dare you offer up an opinion that doesn't go along with what old balls and mel kiper (who?) think.

jfc, this place is tarding up quickly this offseason.

just what i was thinking.  lose cool pts if you actually post that a small-town white kid on the squad is good.  god forbid we might have a good player without dreads, tats and a connection to the inner-city.  sometimes in the midst of a never ending quest to swim against the tide or say the opposite of what most fans are saying you deny realistic thought.  I do give credibility to what Kiper says or who he lists not because of his own personal beliefs but because of where he gathers his information for said projections or rankings.  Speaking for myself, I watch plenty of our games in intricate detail...I rarely follow the ball and watch the games over.  The kid is good.  He doesn't truck defenders on every single play...no one does, but he sure as hell makes a lot of damn good blocks.  Yep, he misses or whiffs on some, too.  They all do.

keep on keepin' on 33 and OK.  do your thang.

i never said that i liked or disliked the guy.  just think that the "you think you know more than snyder?!?!??" crowd is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2011, 11:10:43 AM »
Why do people so passionately defend Braden Wilson every time I post about him? I think he sucks. Get over it.

_33, how dare you offer up an opinion that doesn't go along with what old balls and mel kiper (who?) think.

jfc, this place is tarding up quickly this offseason.

just what i was thinking.  lose cool pts if you actually post that a small-town white kid on the squad is good.  god forbid we might have a good player without dreads, tats and a connection to the inner-city.  sometimes in the midst of a never ending quest to swim against the tide or say the opposite of what most fans are saying you deny realistic thought.  I do give credibility to what Kiper says or who he lists not because of his own personal beliefs but because of where he gathers his information for said projections or rankings.  Speaking for myself, I watch plenty of our games in intricate detail...I rarely follow the ball and watch the games over.  The kid is good.  He doesn't truck defenders on every single play...no one does, but he sure as hell makes a lot of damn good blocks.  Yep, he misses or whiffs on some, too.  They all do.

keep on keepin' on 33 and OK.  do your thang.

i never said that i liked or disliked the guy.  just think that the "you think you know more than snyder?!?!??" crowd is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

that statement, when used, is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) regarding some of Snyder's players...sure.  But not in this case.  good football teams need guys like this one.  he's a leader.  he works his ass off.  he's unselfish.  and he produces in terms of his assignments.  guaranteed DT considers this dude his ace in the hole..probably calls him bff when he texts him. 
Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2011, 11:45:29 AM »
i never said that i liked or disliked the guy.  just think that the "you think you know more than snyder?!?!??" crowd is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Nobody, at least in this thread, used that argument and I would hope no one on this site would. Granted, someone mentioned Kiper, and that was a bit silly. However, its just a silly to hate a player and think he sucks for the reasons Manhatter mentioned. And if you do think he sucks, at least give some relavent reasons that pertain to his position/role on the team and how that fits into the system we use.

For example, I get that _33 doesn't like him b/c Wilson's stats show he isn't a threat. However, in our system IMHO Wilson is used a lot to make other players a threat, either getting a key block in the running game or in pass protection. If Snyder used a system where we needed just one back or two athletic backs (which is what _33 advocated) then his case would be sound, especially if Snyder's offensive system showed a lack of results. However, the system, utilizing a traditional FB with some newer HB twists, has been the strength of this team in Snyder's 2nd tenure. It wouldn't be as strong if Snyder tried to fit the wrong parts (another athlete at RB with average or worse blocking skills) into the power running game, which is one of the key aspects of his offense.

Now if you want to look at bad parts in a scheme look at last year's defense. Unathletic LBs and undersized, non-playmakers in a 4-2-5. A defense predicated by having athletes and playmakers, especially in your front 7. Granted, the parts we had were probably not going to help any defensive scheme, but IMHO it was even worse in that scheme. Point is, the popular goEMAW arguments against Wilson don't fit the same logic.

Again, JMHO.

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #56 on: August 25, 2011, 11:48:25 AM »
I like when _FAN destroys someone with logic and facts and stuff, and just to be sure he's not coming off as aggressive or talking down to people, adds the "JMHO".

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #57 on: August 25, 2011, 11:49:10 AM »
For example, I get that _33 doesn't like him b/c Wilson's stats show he isn't a threat.

this isn't why _33 doesn't like him fwiw

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #58 on: August 25, 2011, 11:49:25 AM »
i never said that i liked or disliked the guy.  just think that the "you think you know more than snyder?!?!??" crowd is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Nobody, at least in this thread, used that argument and I would hope no one on this site would.


Why do people so passionately defend Braden Wilson every time I post about him? I think he sucks. Get over it.

we consider your opinion far more knowledgable and credible than Snyder or NFL scouting management's opinion thus we consider you a worthy adversary.  You're entitled to your thoughts.  I don't think he's superman but he's damn good at what is required of him.


Wow, _33 knows more about college football than Mel Kiper and a dude that actually works for an NFL team.  Man, what a douchebag _33 is.

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #59 on: August 25, 2011, 11:51:25 AM »
i never said that i liked or disliked the guy.  just think that the "you think you know more than snyder?!?!??" crowd is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Nobody, at least in this thread, used that argument and I would hope no one on this site would.


Why do people so passionately defend Braden Wilson every time I post about him? I think he sucks. Get over it.

we consider your opinion far more knowledgable and credible than Snyder or NFL scouting management's opinion thus we consider you a worthy adversary.  You're entitled to your thoughts.  I don't think he's superman but he's damn good at what is required of him.


Wow, _33 knows more about college football than Mel Kiper and a dude that actually works for an NFL team.  Man, what a douchebag _33 is.

Fair enough.

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #60 on: August 25, 2011, 11:53:15 AM »
FWIW, I think Wilson is a good player.  I just hate that a large segment of our fans love him because:


god forbid we might have a good player without dreads, tats and a connection to the inner-city.

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #61 on: August 25, 2011, 11:53:44 AM »

Now if you want to look at bad parts in a scheme look at last year's defense. Unathletic LBs and undersized, non-playmakers in a 4-2-5. A defense predicated by having athletes and playmakers, especially in your front 7. Granted, the parts we had were probably not going to help any defensive scheme, but IMHO it was even worse in that scheme. Point is, the popular goEMAW arguments against Wilson don't fit the same logic.

Again, JMHO.

You can't argue that last year's defense was successful in any way, but mostly the same personnel performed much better in the 4-2-5 under Koenning. I'm not so sure that the 4-2-5 scheme was really the problem. I think it had much more to do with Cosh not knowing how to execute that scheme.

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« Reply #62 on: August 25, 2011, 11:57:52 AM »

Now if you want to look at bad parts in a scheme look at last year's defense. Unathletic LBs and undersized, non-playmakers in a 4-2-5. A defense predicated by having athletes and playmakers, especially in your front 7. Granted, the parts we had were probably not going to help any defensive scheme, but IMHO it was even worse in that scheme. Point is, the popular goEMAW arguments against Wilson don't fit the same logic.

Again, JMHO.

You can't argue that last year's defense was successful in any way, but mostly the same personnel performed much better in the 4-2-5 under Koenning. I'm not so sure that the 4-2-5 scheme was really the problem. I think it had much more to do with Cosh not knowing how to execute that scheme.

True, that's part of it. But I do think Koenning did have some better players to work with, especially up front.

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #63 on: August 25, 2011, 11:58:45 AM »
Hopefully Mel is right
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I remember thinking he was good last year but nothing specific.
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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #64 on: August 25, 2011, 12:08:11 PM »
i never said that i liked or disliked the guy.  just think that the "you think you know more than snyder?!?!??" crowd is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

Nobody, at least in this thread, used that argument and I would hope no one on this site would. Granted, someone mentioned Kiper, and that was a bit silly. However, its just a silly to hate a player and think he sucks for the reasons Manhatter mentioned. And if you do think he sucks, at least give some relavent reasons that pertain to his position/role on the team and how that fits into the system we use.

For example, I get that _33 doesn't like him b/c Wilson's stats show he isn't a threat. However, in our system IMHO Wilson is used a lot to make other players a threat, either getting a key block in the running game or in pass protection. If Snyder used a system where we needed just one back or two athletic backs (which is what _33 advocated) then his case would be sound, especially if Snyder's offensive system showed a lack of results. However, the system, utilizing a traditional FB with some newer HB twists, has been the strength of this team in Snyder's 2nd tenure. It wouldn't be as strong if Snyder tried to fit the wrong parts (another athlete at RB with average or worse blocking skills) into the power running game, which is one of the key aspects of his offense.

Now if you want to look at bad parts in a scheme look at last year's defense. Unathletic LBs and undersized, non-playmakers in a 4-2-5. A defense predicated by having athletes and playmakers, especially in your front 7. Granted, the parts we had were probably not going to help any defensive scheme, but IMHO it was even worse in that scheme. Point is, the popular goEMAW arguments against Wilson don't fit the same logic.

Again, JMHO.

actually I used the "you know more than Snyder" line or at least insinuated it.  I only bring it out on special occasions where I deem it to be apropos.

I feel Kiper is very relevant from the standpt he doesn't get his projections from viewing film himself...he gets input from NFL management personnel.  He does form his own opinions from there which I don't care much for...but he has a good original basis from which to start.

Calling for the one back set or a two back set is ludicrous because Snyder has done it and will do it again if he has the personnel.  I don't think we were going to be that dangerous putting both Powell in the backfield with DT.  That may not be the case with Pease and Bryce...they provide a different element.  In '99 Snyder used plenty of one back sets (Murphy) and 4 wide outs (George Williams, Wesley, Morgan, and Lockett) that, at times, went to empty backfield as Murphy went in motion and we sent 5 receivers down the field.  But you don't do that every play unless your Texas Tech or something June Jones runs.  In that sense I'm quite confident Snyder knows more...he's been around a while and had a bit of success here and there (blatant sarcasm).
Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #65 on: August 25, 2011, 12:10:30 PM »

Now if you want to look at bad parts in a scheme look at last year's defense. Unathletic LBs and undersized, non-playmakers in a 4-2-5. A defense predicated by having athletes and playmakers, especially in your front 7. Granted, the parts we had were probably not going to help any defensive scheme, but IMHO it was even worse in that scheme. Point is, the popular goEMAW arguments against Wilson don't fit the same logic.

Again, JMHO.

You can't argue that last year's defense was successful in any way, but mostly the same personnel performed much better in the 4-2-5 under Koenning. I'm not so sure that the 4-2-5 scheme was really the problem. I think it had much more to do with Cosh not knowing how to execute that scheme.

BS.  Drastic differences with guys like Fitzgerald, Calvin, and Josh Moore. 
Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #66 on: August 25, 2011, 01:02:20 PM »
I think BW gets a lot of attention because he's huge and white and from kansas. There's been the random highlights of his career when he "trucks" someone, but the truth is every time he's done that the guy still tackles him. In my book, when you're a fullback and you've got a head of steam going up against a corner, you sure as hell better land forward at the very least. Now, since he doesn't really get the ball (probably due to DT), we don't know how good he is or isn't in running the ball. Throwing out a stat that he had 1.1 ypc is garbage and whoever said it is full of crap.

His blocking imo is good, not great. I'm one who likes to watch the line/fullback dish out blocks, and he misses blocks on occasion. He also get's stood up often by decent-sized linebackers, probably due to his height and pad level, not so much strength.

Overall, he's a good fullback in college. However, unless Snyder starts giving him the ball the next couple of years he won't get drafted. But unless he has an injury or starts missing blocks more often, he'll get signed by an NFL team and get a chance in the preseason. He'll probably float around and maybe make a roster.

Back on topic: There's not that many H-Back's in the traditional sense anymore in college football. If all you mean by that is like a goal-line back or power back, then we haven't had once since Victor Mann if I'm correct? We've put in some big uglies but usually it's been the starting rb taking the carries. I think it'll likely stay that way unless our running backs end up sucking balls, which is unlikely with the Brangelo situation. I've heard good things about backup FB's behind Braden but I don't even know who they are, and someone has to block for him if he does take those carries. Tight-end? I don't know what his downfield route running skills are like, and I think there's enough talent at TE to get the job done, so probably no.

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #67 on: August 25, 2011, 01:08:22 PM »
oh great.  maybe we should start a special board called Football Geniuses and made _33 and OK_Cat mods.  and fanning as a mod apprentice.  and PBX. 

The Darkest Horse Of Them All board will just have to get by with guys like The Manhatter, ksu_FAN, and Fatty. i hope we can survive against the HFBIQ of this rival board!


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« Reply #68 on: August 25, 2011, 01:42:54 PM »
oh great.  maybe we should start a special board called Football Geniuses and made _33 and OK_Cat mods.  and fanning as a mod apprentice.  and PBX. 

The Darkest Horse Of Them All board will just have to get by with guys like The Manhatter, ksu_FAN, and Fatty. i hope we can survive against the HFBIQ of this rival board!

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #69 on: August 25, 2011, 01:45:26 PM »
he's all yours.  kid hasn't scooped crap since taking back the scoop reigns from PBX. 


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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #70 on: August 25, 2011, 01:47:57 PM »
hot off the press:  fake clams loves white person brayden wilson, HATES black man, good person Arthur Brown

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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #72 on: August 25, 2011, 03:33:13 PM »
We have a QB that can run.  We have a RB that can run.  Do we need another RB in there that can run or are we better served with a FB that can block (regardless of hair style and skin color?)

We need fullback more than we need another runner.  That's the whole point of having a mobile QB.  And Braden is a good one.  Does he get more love because he's from a small town in western Kansas?  Yes.  Just like the Women's BB team got slobbered on when they had Wecker and whoever the hell else played with her.

Don't let that little detail get you down.  Don't hate white, small-town Kansas kids just cause they're white, small-town Kansas kids.  Some of them can play.

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« Reply #73 on: August 25, 2011, 03:34:39 PM »
i love backs that can block really well.


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Re: Will Braden Wilson take snaps at TE or H back?
« Reply #74 on: August 25, 2011, 03:45:18 PM »
We have a QB that can run.  We have a RB that can run.  Do we need another RB in there that can run or are we better served with a FB that can block (regardless of hair style and skin color?)

We need fullback more than we need another runner.  That's the whole point of having a mobile QB.  And Braden is a good one.  Does he get more love because he's from a small town in western Kansas?  Yes.  Just like the Women's BB team got slobbered on when they had Wecker and whoever the hell else played with her.

Don't let that little detail get you down.  Don't hate white, small-town Kansas kids just cause they're white, small-town Kansas kids.  Some of them can play.
Very well put.


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