BSFS Expansion Thread

[bigDcat]

I think we just need to try a tiered pricing structure with the current seating to test feasibility.  It doesn't have to be large scale.  We just have to try it and see if it increases overall revenue and attendance.

Pan my heavens, we've had this for each of the three previous seasons.  The original seating bowl, the metal bleachers on top, the upper deck, and the NEZ all have different pricing.

Some big12 games had all the tickets priced the same. Baylor, OU, and MU are the ones that come to mind. I can't remember if A&M was the same also.


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[MakeItRain]

I think we just need to try a tiered pricing structure with the current seating to test feasibility.  It doesn't have to be large scale.  We just have to try it and see if it increases overall revenue and attendance.

Pan my heavens, we've had this for each of the three previous seasons.  The original seating bowl, the metal bleachers on top, the upper deck, and the NEZ all have different pricing.

Some big12 games had all the tickets priced the same. Baylor, OU, and MU are the ones that come to mind. I can't remember if A&M was the same also.


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The season tickets are all priced differently, the non cons have tiered pricing for individual game sales.  I don't think that there should be tiered pricing for premium games because the tickets sold number has been high enough to justify not dropping the prices.  Why would you devalue your product for just a few hundred unsold?  It's quite clear that willing ticket holders haven't been priced out.  And if you start tiering pricing you devalue the season tickets, and by doing that you run the risk of losing season ticket holders.  Besides the last three years when there have been empties it has been the seats on the ends of the upper deck.  They sold those as reduced price season tickets for this upcoming season and sold out.

[CyberToothCat]

I think we just need to try a tiered pricing structure with the current seating to test feasibility.  It doesn't have to be large scale.  We just have to try it and see if it increases overall revenue and attendance.

Pan my heavens, we've had this for each of the three previous seasons.  The original seating bowl, the metal bleachers on top, the upper deck, and the NEZ all have different pricing.

Some big12 games had all the tickets priced the same. Baylor, OU, and MU are the ones that come to mind. I can't remember if A&M was the same also.


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Yeah, I think it's been the noncon patsy games where there have been tiered prices.  The conference games have all had single priced tickets.  All OU single game tickets were $65, regardless of whether you were at the 50 yard line or the top corner of the upper deck.

[bigDcat]

We definitely won't average 57k. Good grief indeed.

Depends.

We charge a pretty high price for some really crappy seats.

Just because our current model sucks doesn't mean future models would suck, too.  Anyone that sits outside of the 20's in the upper deck is getting ripped off because those seats are garbage.  At the very least, before we tried what I suggest, we should drop the prices in the corners and see if it would increase overall attendance.

Just because we haven't done something before doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

They sold out those upper deck corner seats for next season.


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[SkinnyBenny]

We definitely won't average 57k. Good grief indeed.

Depends.

We charge a pretty high price for some really crappy seats.

Just because our current model sucks doesn't mean future models would suck, too.  Anyone that sits outside of the 20's in the upper deck is getting ripped off because those seats are garbage.  At the very least, before we tried what I suggest, we should drop the prices in the corners and see if it would increase overall attendance.

Just because we haven't done something before doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

They sold out those upper deck corner seats for next season.


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Nice. Linky? And what about that one giant lower-deck, East-side section (right by the End Zone Fun Zone) that never has anybody in it? Those are probably the worst seats in the house, imo. Very Kyle Field-y.

[bigDcat]

We definitely won't average 57k. Good grief indeed.

Depends.

We charge a pretty high price for some really crappy seats.

Just because our current model sucks doesn't mean future models would suck, too.  Anyone that sits outside of the 20's in the upper deck is getting ripped off because those seats are garbage.  At the very least, before we tried what I suggest, we should drop the prices in the corners and see if it would increase overall attendance.

Just because we haven't done something before doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

They sold out those upper deck corner seats for next season.


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Nice. Linky? And what about that one giant lower-deck, East-side section (right by the End Zone Fun Zone) that never has anybody in it? Those are probably the worst seats in the house, imo. Very Kyle Field-y.

I'm pretty sure they were the $102 season tickets sold immediately after the season ended. Also, those east side seats belong to the student section/GA


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[SkinnyBenny]

I figured.  They're atrocious seats, so if any of them are going to be $5 it should be those ones, at least the ones in the front 10 rows or something. 

[Panjandrum]

I think we just need to try a tiered pricing structure with the current seating to test feasibility.  It doesn't have to be large scale.  We just have to try it and see if it increases overall revenue and attendance.

Pan my heavens, we've had this for each of the three previous seasons.  The original seating bowl, the metal bleachers on top, the upper deck, and the NEZ all have different pricing.

Some big12 games had all the tickets priced the same. Baylor, OU, and MU are the ones that come to mind. I can't remember if A&M was the same also.


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The season tickets are all priced differently, the non cons have tiered pricing for individual game sales.  I don't think that there should be tiered pricing for premium games because the tickets sold number has been high enough to justify not dropping the prices.  Why would you devalue your product for just a few hundred unsold?  It's quite clear that willing ticket holders haven't been priced out.  And if you start tiering pricing you devalue the season tickets, and by doing that you run the risk of losing season ticket holders.  Besides the last three years when there have been empties it has been the seats on the ends of the upper deck.  They sold those as reduced price season tickets for this upcoming season and sold out.

A few things:

1) I haven't bought single game tickets in years, so that's my bad.  I had no idea about that.
2) I don't buy the 'devalue season ticket' argument.  Sections currently have tiered pricing when you factor in minimum donations for the seats.  I can get into most sections in the stadium for less than what a season ticket holder paid by buying a single game ticket.  You can certainly devalue the tickets if you mismanage it, but I have faith that a competent athletic department can manage it.
3) The fact that they sold those out proves my point in a way.  Get them into the stadium, and there's a chance they'll pay for parking, buy concessions, etc.  Get them through the door, and we may make an additional $20-30 bucks on them per game.

I mean, hey, I could be wrong, but I'm just saying that it's not impossible.  Improbable, but not impossible.

[Pendergast]

Who gives a eff, I want more pictures or news about the project.  God damn poor people, real KSU grads don't even look at the damn price.  I bet you people have to analyze your dinner receipt before you pay.

Did you get soup honey?
No I got salad.
I knew it, they charged us 50 cents extra!  I'm not tipping my usual 10% tonight!

[DQ12]

Who gives a eff, I want more pictures or news about the project.  God damn poor people, real KSU grads don't even look at the damn price.  I bet you people have to analyze your dinner receipt before you pay.

Did you get soup honey?
No I got salad.
I knew it, they charged us 50 cents extra!  I'm not tipping my usual 10% tonight!

What are you talking about?

[Katpappy]

Who gives a eff, I want more pictures or news about the project.  God damn poor people, real KSU grads don't even look at the damn price.  I bet you people have to analyze your dinner receipt before you pay.

Did you get soup honey?
No I got salad.
I knew it, they charged us 50 cents extra!  I'm not tipping my usual 10% tonight!

What are you talking about?

It's not that hard; Pendergast is just stating that you all sound like a bunch of tightwads.  eff, other stadiums charge a crap load more then KSU.  The tickets are a bargain for outside seats; not sure about suite prices?

[DQ12]

Who gives a eff, I want more pictures or news about the project.  God damn poor people, real KSU grads don't even look at the damn price.  I bet you people have to analyze your dinner receipt before you pay.

Did you get soup honey?
No I got salad.
I knew it, they charged us 50 cents extra!  I'm not tipping my usual 10% tonight!

What are you talking about?

It's not that hard; Pendergast is just stating that you all sound like a bunch of tightwads.  eff, other stadiums charge a crap load more then KSU.  The tickets are a bargain for outside seats; not sure about suite prices?

I mean, I just don't know what you guys are talking about, or who you're talking about.

[Katpappy]

Who gives a eff, I want more pictures or news about the project.  God damn poor people, real KSU grads don't even look at the damn price.  I bet you people have to analyze your dinner receipt before you pay.

Did you get soup honey?
No I got salad.
I knew it, they charged us 50 cents extra!  I'm not tipping my usual 10% tonight!

What are you talking about?

It's not that hard; Pendergast is just stating that you all sound like a bunch of tightwads.  eff, other stadiums charge a crap load more then KSU.  The tickets are a bargain for outside seats; not sure about suite prices?

I mean, I just don't know what you guys are talking about, or who you're talking about.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Who gives a eff, I want more pictures or news about the project.  God damn poor people, real KSU grads don't even look at the damn price.  I bet you people have to analyze your dinner receipt before you pay.

Did you get soup honey?
No I got salad.
I knew it, they charged us 50 cents extra!  I'm not tipping my usual 10% tonight!

What are you talking about?

It's not that hard; Pendergast is just stating that you all sound like a bunch of tightwads.  eff, other stadiums charge a crap load more then KSU.  The tickets are a bargain for outside seats; not sure about suite prices?

KSU actually has pretty expensive tickets relative to everybody else.

[MakeItRain]

I think we just need to try a tiered pricing structure with the current seating to test feasibility.  It doesn't have to be large scale.  We just have to try it and see if it increases overall revenue and attendance.

Pan my heavens, we've had this for each of the three previous seasons.  The original seating bowl, the metal bleachers on top, the upper deck, and the NEZ all have different pricing.

Some big12 games had all the tickets priced the same. Baylor, OU, and MU are the ones that come to mind. I can't remember if A&M was the same also.


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The season tickets are all priced differently, the non cons have tiered pricing for individual game sales.  I don't think that there should be tiered pricing for premium games because the tickets sold number has been high enough to justify not dropping the prices.  Why would you devalue your product for just a few hundred unsold?  It's quite clear that willing ticket holders haven't been priced out.  And if you start tiering pricing you devalue the season tickets, and by doing that you run the risk of losing season ticket holders.  Besides the last three years when there have been empties it has been the seats on the ends of the upper deck.  They sold those as reduced price season tickets for this upcoming season and sold out.

A few things:

1) I haven't bought single game tickets in years, so that's my bad.  I had no idea about that.
2) I don't buy the 'devalue season ticket' argument.  Sections currently have tiered pricing when you factor in minimum donations for the seats.  I can get into most sections in the stadium for less than what a season ticket holder paid by buying a single game ticket.  You can certainly devalue the tickets if you mismanage it, but I have faith that a competent athletic department can manage it.
3) The fact that they sold those out proves my point in a way.  Get them into the stadium, and there's a chance they'll pay for parking, buy concessions, etc.  Get them through the door, and we may make an additional $20-30 bucks on them per game.

I mean, hey, I could be wrong, but I'm just saying that it's not impossible.  Improbable, but not impossible.

No it doesn't prove your point at all.  Any ticket selling entity wants season tickets sold not individual tickets.  Literally every single season ticket package for any athletic department it franchise worth a crap has their ST price cheaper than buying those tickets a la carte.  STHs are the holy grail for ticket managers.  Selling tickets individually requires additional resources and additional risk.  Research shows that season ticket holders spend more money on parking, food, souvenirs, etc.  Season ticket holders are also more apt to find more season ticket holders.  

Here's a very real example of how our and other ticket offices view season ticket sales.  If I purchased just the conference games a la carte it would cost me $405, just for conference games.  My season tickets were $300.  If you bring those a la carte prices down, sure you'd sell the tickets but you would discourage season ticket sales.  As I said before KSU football and basketball are in the position where they don't have to do that, the season ticket sales are healthy enough to charge a premium for the few seats left and the demand Wilk still stay high.

[sonofdaxjones]

MIR is exactly right.

The idiots who tried to sell their stupid "devaluing the product" talking point don't have a clue.

Potential sponsors want to see Season Ticket Holders, not one and doners.

Captured audience . . . propaganda/messaging . . . long term recurring revenue . . . up selling . . .  the list goes on for days.

[wes mantooth]

Maybe put in another 1,000ish seat club level in the south endzone at some point?

[EMAW4life-JHL]

the upper deck is the biggest waste of space. take that down, finish the bowl, and then put more club level seating on top of the newly finished bowl, were at probably 55-57 with a damn good looking stadium, that we could fill fairly easily the nicer it gets.
sadly this will never happen.

[DQ12]

the upper deck is the biggest waste of space. take that down, finish the bowl, and then put more club level seating on top of the newly finished bowl, were at probably 55-57 with a damn good looking stadium, that we could fill fairly easily the nicer it gets.
sadly this will never happen.

Right, because it would be an incredible waste of money.

[wes mantooth]

the upper deck is the biggest waste of space. take that down, finish the bowl, and then put more club level seating on top of the newly finished bowl, were at probably 55-57 with a damn good looking stadium, that we could fill fairly easily the nicer it gets.
sadly this will never happen.

what in the eff...

[scottwildcat]

Maybe put in another 1,000ish seat club level in the south endzone at some point?

how would that look? Trying to picture it...  

[wes mantooth]

Maybe put in another 1,000ish seat club level in the south endzone at some point?

how would that look? Trying to picture it...  

i don't know, hopefully super cool tho

[EMAW4life-JHL]

the upper deck is the biggest waste of space. take that down, finish the bowl, and then put more club level seating on top of the newly finished bowl, were at probably 55-57 with a damn good looking stadium, that we could fill fairly easily the nicer it gets.
sadly this will never happen.

Right, because it would be an incredible waste of money.

yes, but what im trying to say is the deck should have never went up in the first place.

[kim carnes]

the upper deck is the biggest waste of space. take that down, finish the bowl, and then put more club level seating on top of the newly finished bowl, were at probably 55-57 with a damn good looking stadium, that we could fill fairly easily the nicer it gets.
sadly this will never happen.

   take it down?  what on earth?

[SPEmaw]

Who gives a eff, I want more pictures or news about the project.  God damn poor people, real KSU grads don't even look at the damn price.  I bet you people have to analyze your dinner receipt before you pay.

Did you get soup honey?
No I got salad.
I knew it, they charged us 50 cents extra!  I'm not tipping my usual 10% tonight!

What are you talking about?

It's not that hard; Pendergast is just stating that you all sound like a bunch of tightwads.  eff, other stadiums charge a crap load more then KSU.  The tickets are a bargain for outside seats; not sure about suite prices?

None of us are complaining about a cost that we, ourselves, are faced with. We are discussing the issue of empty seats because some peasants (not elites like our posters here) couldn't make it into the city on Saturday and sit in their shitty, $100 season ticket package. rough ridin' peasants...we just want The Bill to be FULL.