BSFS Expansion Thread

[DQ12]

Also, when do we get to put on a roof on that thing?  Jordy even said in the video that a lot of noise escapes, so I mean, if a roof would make it louder, why not?

[Panjandrum]

Adding seats is stupid unless we're willing to price 10k seats at .50 cents a pop - Which is something I'm not really against, but it'd have to be Family Reunion cheap every game to fill it up

yes

Question: What would make more money from non-club seating?

45k in sales at $45 a ticket? ($2.025 million)

57k in sales at $45 a ticket for 35k seats (estimate for lower bowl) and 22k at an average of $30 bucks a pop? ($1.575 million + $660k = $2.235 million)

You can manipulate it even more by making upper deck seats between the 20's more, those in the corner less, and mix in some family packs for every game.

Even if we upped it to 60k and averaged 57k with a different pricing structure, we'd probably still make as much or more money if we just got creative with the pricing models.  Also, even if it were a wash in terms of ticket revenue, the additional 10k attendees would be buying concessions, and potentially adding more donors to the Ahearn fund, which would net more money overall.

It could be a successful model if it enhances multiple revenue streams, and it would also make the program more attractive if/when the NCAA evolves again in terms of consolidation and realignment.

[DQ12]

One thing I hate, though, Pan, is empty seats.   I'm not saying that's rational, but I would hate if we were pretty jacked up about getting 57k in a 60k seat stadium twice a year.

[steve dave]

we won't average 57k, good grief.

[SkinnyBenny]

We definitely won't average 57k. Good grief indeed.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

late to the party but the issue with dropping prices later is that eventually thoise that pay full price will start waiting, next thing you know nobody's paying full price.

[steve dave]

here's the thing, we don't always sell out our 50k stadium,  we rarely fill it and tickets are never hard to come by.  if we want to add 5k seats and make them all "premium" I think that's a good idea.  we are not even close to needing more regular seats in our stadium.  

[wes mantooth]

Adding seats is stupid unless we're willing to price 10k seats at .50 cents a pop - Which is something I'm not really against, but it'd have to be Family Reunion cheap every game to fill it up

yes

Question: What would make more money from non-club seating?

45k in sales at $45 a ticket? ($2.025 million)

57k in sales at $45 a ticket for 35k seats (estimate for lower bowl) and 22k at an average of $30 bucks a pop? ($1.575 million + $660k = $2.235 million)

You can manipulate it even more by making upper deck seats between the 20's more, those in the corner less, and mix in some family packs for every game.

Even if we upped it to 60k and averaged 57k with a different pricing structure, we'd probably still make as much or more money if we just got creative with the pricing models.  Also, even if it were a wash in terms of ticket revenue, the additional 10k attendees would be buying concessions, and potentially adding more donors to the Ahearn fund, which would net more money overall.

It could be a successful model if it enhances multiple revenue streams, and it would also make the program more attractive if/when the NCAA evolves again in terms of consolidation and realignment.

 How about 150k seats priced at $15/ticket = 2.25 million  

[DQ12]

we won't average 57k, good grief.

I agree, that's why I qualified it by saying 57k twice a year.  I bet we could hit that number twice a year, depending on pricing.

But we agree that the idea of expansion anywhere beyond premium is very stupid.

[wes mantooth]

we won't average 57k, good grief.

I agree, that's why I qualified it by saying 57k twice a year.  I bet we could hit that number twice a year, depending on pricing.

But we agree that the idea of expansion anywhere beyond premium is very stupid.

still no.

[DQ12]

we won't average 57k, good grief.

I agree, that's why I qualified it by saying 57k twice a year.  I bet we could hit that number twice a year, depending on pricing.

But we agree that the idea of expansion anywhere beyond premium is very stupid.

still no.

Still no, what?  We wouldn't hit 57k twice a year?  Maybe not.  We're splitting hairs.

[Gooch]

I wish they would reduce seats and add chair backs in all sections.

[SkinnyBenny]

I wish they would reduce seats and add chair backs in all sections.

No, denied. Breeds lazy, comfortable fans. You want the entire stadium to be full of West-side type tucks?

[wes mantooth]

we won't average 57k, good grief.

I agree, that's why I qualified it by saying 57k twice a year.  I bet we could hit that number twice a year, depending on pricing.

But we agree that the idea of expansion anywhere beyond premium is very stupid.

still no.

Still no, what?  We wouldn't hit 57k twice a year?  Maybe not.  We're splitting hairs.

we wouldn't hit 57k once, unless you have like $5 tickets or something.

[Panjandrum]

We definitely won't average 57k. Good grief indeed.

Depends.

We charge a pretty high price for some really crappy seats.

Just because our current model sucks doesn't mean future models would suck, too.  Anyone that sits outside of the 20's in the upper deck is getting ripped off because those seats are garbage.  At the very least, before we tried what I suggest, we should drop the prices in the corners and see if it would increase overall attendance.

Just because we haven't done something before doesn't mean it couldn't be done.

[sonofdaxjones]

55K is tops for me, maybe even 53,500 .  .  . fill that, and K-State takes it all day long and twice on Sunday.

[MadCat]

I wish they would reduce seats and add chair backs in all sections.

Recliners in the NEZ

[felix rex]

I wish they would reduce seats and add chair backs in all sections.

I've been saying for years that we should fill the stadium by embracing (figuratively, obviously) our fat fans. Increase every seat size by 50%. Bam. Packed stadium every week and concession sales through the roof.

[DQ12]

we wouldn't hit 57k once, unless you have like $5 tickets or something.

That's pretty much what I've been saying the entire thread...

[michigancat]

it was, like, 2 years ago that we weren't filling a 50k seat stadium so let's not get ahead of ourselves here.  adding seats should be phase 75 or something. 

yeah. Plus that upper deck is just the worst place (in the world) to watch a game. More upper deck won't help IMO.

[Panjandrum]

I think we just need to try a tiered pricing structure with the current seating to test feasibility.  It doesn't have to be large scale.  We just have to try it and see if it increases overall revenue and attendance.

I could also be overstating how many seats enclosing the South Endzone upper deck would create.

[wes mantooth]

we wouldn't hit 57k once, unless you have like $5 tickets or something.

That's pretty much what I've been saying the entire thread...

a bunch of $5 tickets is a stupid idea.

[Gooch]

Says he has been #teamangel from the beginning.

[DQ12]

we wouldn't hit 57k once, unless you have like $5 tickets or something.

That's pretty much what I've been saying the entire thread...

a bunch of $5 tickets is a stupid idea.

Right.

...the idea of expansion anywhere beyond premium is very stupid.

[MakeItRain]

I think we just need to try a tiered pricing structure with the current seating to test feasibility.  It doesn't have to be large scale.  We just have to try it and see if it increases overall revenue and attendance.

Pan my heavens, we've had this for each of the three previous seasons.  The original seating bowl, the metal bleachers on top, the upper deck, and the NEZ all have different pricing.