BSFS Expansion Thread

[wetwillie]

You're now comparing coaches to Architects.   Populous isn't Chuck's Architecture and Lawn Care in Salina Kougs.

Quit trying so hard, or go back to ksf's.

JFC dax, I know you are alittle irritated and rightly so but lets leave Chuck's good name out of this mess ok?

[Belvis Noland]

This whole thread is full of  

Dax's statement about Populous "getting" KSU is laughable. It's not like it's a small office with the same team doing every job. They have hundreds of employees. Odds are they recommended a team for the job and the team's resume and portfolio sucked. It's happening more and more with Populous. Heery is more than capable and they're a good firm. Acting like Populous is the only way to go is a joke. They've been going down hill for a while now.

Speaking of laughable...  Go to their website. Look at their portfolio. It speaks for itself.

Going downhill?  Since Yankee Stadium, Mets Stadium and Wembley Stadium all in the past few years?  Yeah these guys are slipping..  

What press box renovations for college football teams have they done?

Other than the ones cited by dax, I'm not sure. Go to their website and look at their collegiate portfolio. Go look at AECOM collegiate portfolio. Compare and contrast. Both are solid firms. populous just seems more EMAW to me and that's a good thing.  

And ew2x4, I know you're enamored with your "butt hurt" phrase. It's clever. Seriously. But come on, what's wrong with pulling for the KSU guys when those same guys are some of the best sports architects in the world?  

I'm not a "sky is falling" guy.  I believe we're going to get a really nice structure from AECOM.  But I think we should bring in EMAW guys, especially if they're as good as it gets in he industry.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Have you two ever seen anything being built ever . . . in your entire lives??

are you white knighting that abortion of a construction? we want the best, not something that looks like you have to be wearing moon shoes to take a piss

It's not done yet.  Plus, what did you expect, the original structure made it almost impossible to add anything to it like this that would look any good, unless they wanted to spend about $20 million instead of $2 million. 

Can we go back and fire the AD/architecture firm that designed something that was nearly impossible to improve cost-effectively?

No, but we can and did overlook them for the west side improvements. See the butt hurt west side thread.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yes, saying that a firm knows K-State, that has done a massive portfolio of concept designs for K-State, that has done the Basketball Training Facility for K-State is really a "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)" statement.    The cool kids club is full, quit trying.

 

[sonofdaxjones]

It was difficult to improve architecturally because Max Urick tried to do what should have been at least a $20 million dollar project for $12 million dollars (it then took him 2 full years after that to complete the stadium club while they lied through their teeth to people who bought tickets there) . . . but you kids probably don't understand that.  It's okay, dumb is cool these days.

[DQ12]

Is it possible that Heery simply had better "specs" (or whatever the lingo is) than Populous?

[pissclams]

i absolutely love when dax goes Engineer Ernie in these threads, as if he has a flying eff what the hell he's talking about.  last i checked i was the only one here who has designed anything of this size/scope and my opinion is the only one that an unbiased observer could call informed. 

having said that, my initial analysis says that these bathrooms could have been designed 3x better at 25% of the cost. 

[kslim]

i absolutely love when dax goes Engineer Ernie in these threads, as if he has a flying eff what the hell he's talking about.  last i checked i was the only one here who has designed anything of this size/scope and my opinion is the only one that an unbiased observer could call informed. 

having said that, my initial analysis says that these bathrooms could have been designed 3x better at 25% of the cost. 

this was pretty much my point, and dax im not trying to get into a argument here, i just dont want some fabricated bullcac that has kstateo written all over it.

[pissclams]

Is it possible that Heery simply had better "specs" (or whatever the lingo is) than Populous?

does it really rough ridin' matter? 

[sonofdaxjones]

First off, you stay out of this SquawkClams, isn't about time for you to take a "trip" or something, or better yet, go hang out with your friends.

www.kusports.com

www.jayhawkslant.com

www.phog.net

Yeah, you know you want to click on each of those right now, to go home again.

[sonofdaxjones]

 

[pissclams]

omfg, try to change the subject. i love it.

i know for a fact that currie is pissed about the bathroom fiasco and won't settle for bathroom on stilts type crap anymore.

populous you mumped yourself by designing bathrooms on stilts.

[sonofdaxjones]

I want an MS Paint design of what you could have done for $500K . . . squawk.

[Kat Kid]

#teamdax

[DQ12]

Is it possible that Heery simply had better "specs" (or whatever the lingo is) than Populous?

does it really rough ridin' matter? 

I think so.

[pissclams]

I want an MS Paint design of what you could have done for $500K . . . squawk.

everything in this entire statement is absolutely false.  keep making stuff up.

[justTHEtip]

Would take. And having it a year early?!?! #teamheery 

http://midatlantic.construction.com/midatlantic_construction_projects/2009/1201_TyserTowerRenovation.asp

[wabash909]

And do you think any of the people that worked on those stadiums would work on LHC Bill Snyder Family effing Stadium? Also, just because they get big jobs doesn't mean they do them well. Their quality has been slipping quite a bit. At least from what I have heard.

But hey, don't let me stop you guys from acting butt hurt. Carry on.

Heery is not in the same class in terms of sports architecture.  Period. 

For all of this bullsh*t about how “I heard they were slipping”, Arch Record just released their 2011 top 500 firms in the world and Populous claims the #1 ranking of all sports based practices in the world.  Poll anyone in the design community or look at any rankings over the course of the last 20 years in Arch Record or any legitimate publication for back-up. 

This isn’t about some shirt tuck being all bent about the local yokel architecture shop not getting their handouts.  According to their website they’ve done 1,000 sports projects globally and over $20 billion in construction value over the course of the last 27 years.  Oh yeah, and they’re EMAW to the core.

Heery is an engineering based firm that typically teams up with others to do some collegiate work in the mostly the SouthEast.  That’s their portfolio.  Look at it.  AECOM is a Los Angeles based conglomerate that bought out Elerbe when they were on the brink of collapse three years ago.

It’s water under the bridge, it’s over.  The reason people are upset is that many of us know people that work there and have put a lot of their lives into K-State and were excited to be involved with something transcendent for their alma mater.  If that’s not a cool thing to say, or shirt tuck, then whatever.  At the end of the day there was a lot more at play here with an AD that had a prior relationship he was tending from his UT days and a damaging newspaper article in the 11th hour that erroneously stated Populous had been hired that raised all sorts of ethics questions and they made the move they needed to.
 
As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.  K-State missed a big opportunity to do something world class.  And that’s not a “Butthurt” statement.  That’s reality.

[Kat Kid]

And do you think any of the people that worked on those stadiums would work on LHC Bill Snyder Family effing Stadium? Also, just because they get big jobs doesn't mean they do them well. Their quality has been slipping quite a bit. At least from what I have heard.

But hey, don't let me stop you guys from acting butt hurt. Carry on.

Heery is not in the same class in terms of sports architecture.  Period. 

For all of this bullsh*t about how “I heard they were slipping”, Arch Record just released their 2011 top 500 firms in the world and Populous claims the #1 ranking of all sports based practices in the world.  Poll anyone in the design community or look at any rankings over the course of the last 20 years in Arch Record or any legitimate publication for back-up. 

This isn’t about some shirt tuck being all bent about the local yokel architecture shop not getting their handouts.  According to their website they’ve done 1,000 sports projects globally and over $20 billion in construction value over the course of the last 27 years.  Oh yeah, and they’re EMAW to the core.

Heery is an engineering based firm that typically teams up with others to do some collegiate work in the mostly the SouthEast.  That’s their portfolio.  Look at it.  AECOM is a Los Angeles based conglomerate that bought out Elerbe when they were on the brink of collapse three years ago.

It’s water under the bridge, it’s over.  The reason people are upset is that many of us know people that work there and have put a lot of their lives into K-State and were excited to be involved with something transcendent for their alma mater.  If that’s not a cool thing to say, or shirt tuck, then whatever.  At the end of the day there was a lot more at play here with an AD that had a prior relationship he was tending from his UT days and a damaging newspaper article in the 11th hour that erroneously stated Populous had been hired that raised all sorts of ethics questions and they made the move they needed to.
 
As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.  K-State missed a big opportunity to do something world class.  And that’s not a “Butthurt” statement.  That’s reality.

sounds like ew just got big timed pretty hard.  Dax, probably still room to napalm anything that is still there.

[sonofdaxjones]

Waiting.

[sonofdaxjones]

Nope, that was pretty much a scorched earth policy.

[Rage Against the McKee]

And do you think any of the people that worked on those stadiums would work on LHC Bill Snyder Family effing Stadium? Also, just because they get big jobs doesn't mean they do them well. Their quality has been slipping quite a bit. At least from what I have heard.

But hey, don't let me stop you guys from acting butt hurt. Carry on.

Heery is not in the same class in terms of sports architecture.  Period. 

For all of this bullsh*t about how “I heard they were slipping”, Arch Record just released their 2011 top 500 firms in the world and Populous claims the #1 ranking of all sports based practices in the world.  Poll anyone in the design community or look at any rankings over the course of the last 20 years in Arch Record or any legitimate publication for back-up. 

This isn’t about some shirt tuck being all bent about the local yokel architecture shop not getting their handouts.  According to their website they’ve done 1,000 sports projects globally and over $20 billion in construction value over the course of the last 27 years.  Oh yeah, and they’re EMAW to the core.

Heery is an engineering based firm that typically teams up with others to do some collegiate work in the mostly the SouthEast.  That’s their portfolio.  Look at it.  AECOM is a Los Angeles based conglomerate that bought out Elerbe when they were on the brink of collapse three years ago.

It’s water under the bridge, it’s over.  The reason people are upset is that many of us know people that work there and have put a lot of their lives into K-State and were excited to be involved with something transcendent for their alma mater.  If that’s not a cool thing to say, or shirt tuck, then whatever.  At the end of the day there was a lot more at play here with an AD that had a prior relationship he was tending from his UT days and a damaging newspaper article in the 11th hour that erroneously stated Populous had been hired that raised all sorts of ethics questions and they made the move they needed to.
 
As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.  K-State missed a big opportunity to do something world class.  And that’s not a “Butthurt” statement.  That’s reality.

It sounds pretty butt hurt to me.

[0.42]

Family rough ridin' Stadium?

Well, here come the barcaloungers

[kim carnes]

And do you think any of the people that worked on those stadiums would work on LHC Bill Snyder Family effing Stadium? Also, just because they get big jobs doesn't mean they do them well. Their quality has been slipping quite a bit. At least from what I have heard.

But hey, don't let me stop you guys from acting butt hurt. Carry on.

Heery is not in the same class in terms of sports architecture.  Period. 

For all of this bullsh*t about how “I heard they were slipping”, Arch Record just released their 2011 top 500 firms in the world and Populous claims the #1 ranking of all sports based practices in the world.  Poll anyone in the design community or look at any rankings over the course of the last 20 years in Arch Record or any legitimate publication for back-up. 

This isn’t about some shirt tuck being all bent about the local yokel architecture shop not getting their handouts.  According to their website they’ve done 1,000 sports projects globally and over $20 billion in construction value over the course of the last 27 years.  Oh yeah, and they’re EMAW to the core.

Heery is an engineering based firm that typically teams up with others to do some collegiate work in the mostly the SouthEast.  That’s their portfolio.  Look at it.  AECOM is a Los Angeles based conglomerate that bought out Elerbe when they were on the brink of collapse three years ago.

It’s water under the bridge, it’s over.  The reason people are upset is that many of us know people that work there and have put a lot of their lives into K-State and were excited to be involved with something transcendent for their alma mater.  If that’s not a cool thing to say, or shirt tuck, then whatever.  At the end of the day there was a lot more at play here with an AD that had a prior relationship he was tending from his UT days and a damaging newspaper article in the 11th hour that erroneously stated Populous had been hired that raised all sorts of ethics questions and they made the move they needed to.
 
As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.  K-State missed a big opportunity to do something world class.  And that’s not a “Butthurt” statement.  That’s reality.

Wow, wabash909 just owned all of the anti-Populous group.  It's clear to me that Currie has gone rogue and is taking all of us along for the ride.

[DQ12]

Nobody is really anti-Populous.  Those who are being labeled as such are probably just willing to give Currie the benefit of the doubt.  As for me, I find highly unlikely that the decision to use Heery rather than Populous is as simple as Currie doing an 80 million dollar favor to some of his old chums.