Football Recruiting Thread

[steve dave]

Spoiler alert:

snyder isn't a great recruiter and he's not ever going to change.  as long as he's coach we're going to lose these guys.

well, as a head coach, he once was so something changed.  it was his staff.  don't get pulled into the "he has never recruited well" because we had consistent top 25 classes in the 90s.  it's been so long since KSU recruited well under Snyder that people have forgotten.  For half of his head coaching life he had some of the best recruiting young assistants around working for him.  The ones that could get better gigs left.  The ones that couldn't stayed. 

[steve dave]

If anything it just accentuates how great of a coach Bill is now. 

[DQ12]

Spoiler alert:

snyder isn't a great recruiter and he's not ever going to change.  as long as he's coach we're going to lose these guys.

well, as a head coach, he once was so something changed.  it was his staff.  don't get pulled into the "he has never recruited well" because we had consistent top 25 classes in the 90s.

right and that's not my argument.  i know he used to recruit well because we had a staff full of complete badasses.  those days are long gone though and they're not coming back.  it used to piss me off a lot but it doesn't anymore.  i understand why people are angry.

imo, we might as well just give a hearty chuckle when the hot KS prospect of the week chooses osu/mu/whoever and hope that we have another season in the top ten next year.

[DQ12]

Spoiler alert:

snyder isn't a great recruiter and he's not ever going to change.  as long as he's coach we're going to lose these guys.

It's why I'll never love him. 

that's so stupid

[steve dave]

oh, ok. I'm on the same slightly more angry page then.   

[bucket]

It's not facilities. It's our assistants. When we had young blood like Bob and Venzy they'd drunk dial recruits at 2 a.m. Now we have Dana Dimel who passes out at 6 p.m. after eating a double decker club at village inn. Michael Smith does ok, but our only other young blood assistants are named Joe Bob and Cox.

[Panjandrum]

Spoiler alert:

snyder isn't a great recruiter and he's not ever going to change.  as long as he's coach we're going to lose these guys.

It's why I'll never love him. 

that's so stupid

Why?   Because a great coach can't get out of his own way? For what? Loyalty? Attachment to some antiquated and pointless principles?

What could he have accomplished had he not been such a slave driver?  Or if he allowed KSU and donors build the facilities we needed years ago? Or if he wasn't so loyal to mediocre people.

That's why I'll never love him.  He is his own worst enemy.

[steve dave]

It's not facilities. It's our assistants.

this is fact.  also, bill doesn't exactly stress being a road warrior on the recruiters.  he wants a lot of "office time" which is kind of stupid imo but we do scheme the eff out of people so who knows.  then we have Currie sending his henchmen to kick down Smitty's door and confiscate his phone which doesn't help matters. 

[steve dave]

Or if he allowed KSU and donors build the facilities we needed years ago?

this is a good point. vanier sucks ass because Bill has insisted it suck ass.  It's his maginot line.  still, I love the crap out of him. 

[Fuktard]

In the 2012 class MU got only 5 of the top 12 Missouri HS kids....and they offered all 12.  Sometimes kids just don't want to go to the in state school because it's "cooler" to go out of state.

That said I do wish we had younger, hungrier recuirters. 

[Stevesie60]

Too bad Currie won't let him get the assistant coaches he wants. They could probably recruit well.

[Pete]

Or if he allowed KSU and donors build the facilities we needed years ago?

this is a good point. vanier sucks ass because Bill has insisted it suck ass.  It's his maginot line.  still, I love the crap out of him.

I love the crap out of him too, but I will still call him "Old Balls" and mock the crap out of his recruiting.  It's his choice....he's choosing to be mediocre.  I guess that's just how his single Mom raised him.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah, I get the, "I want to go out of state, so when I come home I'm all cool angle" but we've got to do better.

Mediocre recruiters, average facilities by today's standards, way too old school recruiting.

[sonofdaxjones]

Plus once again, a giant  at the respects who think its dirty that schools use Snyder's age against him.

It is what it is.   This ain't some glory hole reach around.

[sys]

this ain't some glory hole reach around.

i recommend you use this as the text under your avatar.

[sonofdaxjones]

this ain't some glory hole reach around.

i recommend you use this as the text under your avatar.

Strongly considering.

[steve dave]

I enjoy how the GPC posters are cracking wise about how OSU paid him off.  yeah, that's why we lose recruits to every other program you dumbasses.  they all pay them. 

[raquetcat]

Who would you rather be your lead recruiter?
This guy (age 35)



or this guy (approx. age 63, they don't even list his birth date in the k-statesports website cause they're afraid he'll scare off recruits) love you mo!

[steve dave]

You know, after the stoops/venzys of the world left us Mo was one of our big guns. Worked for Bill's entire first tenure, Prince, Bill second tenure (WTF, right? how on earth?).  God bless him.  But, you know, probably time to hang it up.  My grandfather used to be good at crap too.  love him as well. 

[KITNfury]

I don't think it's dumb to expect to have an advantage on in state kids, however I realize Kansas doesn't breed in state pride. Think about people in Texas, those dumbasses don't think there's anything outside the state lines and fly their state flag the same height as the US flag at govt offices. That's why a lot of schools lose recruits to baylor and tech even though those schools are marginal. We lose in state recruits as a marginal school because that culture doesn't exist here. That won't change unless we win a few national championships and become an elite program (so it won't happen).

[steve dave]

Plus once again, a giant  at the respects who think its dirty that schools use Snyder's age against him.

It is what it is.   This ain't some glory hole reach around.

a stable program and Oklahoma State is obviously really stable. Coach Gundy is not going anywhere

basically every school is telling kids snyder is going to die any second.  I mean, he could.  we all have to accept that. 

[Panjandrum]

Or if he allowed KSU and donors build the facilities we needed years ago?

this is a good point. vanier sucks ass because Bill has insisted it suck ass.  It's his maginot line.  still, I love the crap out of him.

I love the crap out of him too, but I will still call him "Old Balls" and mock the crap out of his recruiting.  It's his choice....he's choosing to be mediocre.  I guess that's just how his single Mom raised him.

The Sean thing sent me over the edge.  I can't come back from that.

I can put up with his idiosyncratic BS most of the time, but that was a tipping point for me.

[steve dave]

He can make whitney DC as long as we wins 9+.  But, in doing so, he gets zero leeway when we don't.  If he had a few hotshot young coaches recruiting 4 star kids and we won 6 games I would be fine waiting it out for a couple years.  but, we are on a precipice that whenever this genius old codger kicks over (any moment) we are left with jack crap.  nobody can win with what we have but Bill. IT'S SCARY AS crap YOU GUYS!

[DQ12]

Spoiler alert:

snyder isn't a great recruiter and he's not ever going to change.  as long as he's coach we're going to lose these guys.

It's why I'll never love him. 

that's so stupid

Why?   Because a great coach can't get out of his own way? For what? Loyalty? Attachment to some antiquated and pointless principles?

What could he have accomplished had he not been such a slave driver?  Or if he allowed KSU and donors build the facilities we needed years ago? Or if he wasn't so loyal to mediocre people.

That's why I'll never love him.  He is his own worst enemy.

You have got to be kidding me.  Let me put it this way:

My mom is kind of a goofball.  A lot of times, she won't understand some of the jokes my dad and I pull.  She doesn't get most of our references, and when she tries to reference some form of pop culture, she screws it up, but just barely.  It's very cute, actually.  For example, she'll say something like, "I was watching 'Everybody love Roy' last night..." and my dad and i will just look at eachother, and roll our eyes.  You can set your watch to it. 

But guess what.  I love her to death.  Know why?  Because she's had a very profound impact on my life and she loves me and she's good at being my mom, despite her not always understanding my humor.

In a different, but similar way, I love Bill.  At this point, him being a mediocre recruiter and having a mediocre recruiting staff and being nepotistic and stuff, to me at least, is kind of cute.  He's probably the single most important figure for K-State in the last century and over 20 years after he first got hired, he's still very good at what he does.  I mean, Pan, we went to the Cotton Bowl last season.  K-State, futility U, on national TV playing in one of the most high profile bowls in the country's (world's?) most famous stadium.  LHC Bill Snyder, with all of his faults, accomplished that for you, me, and K-State.

I love him and any K-State fan who doesn't love him is wrong.

[sonofdaxjones]

That's all fine Dlew, most folks including me "love" LHC Snyder.

But I don't get caught up in the "cute" Grandpa Bill BS.   He knows exactly what he's doing, our school is paying him millions of dollars, he is the coach of the most important team K-State fields.   The "Whatever Bill wants Bill gets" . . . "Whatever Bill does is fine by me" ship sailed a long, long, time ago. 

He's 32-28 in his last five seasons coaching K-State.  Some of the issues we have today were caused by the "Whatever Bill wants . . . or doesn't want, is fine by me" power he was given.