Coaching Search Master Thread (now featuring worst possible choice oscar weber)

[stunted]

Most coaches are very close to .500 in close games.

You are saying coaches who are good at close games are actually just on the right side of variance?  Impossible.

[Fldermaus]

talent 75%
playing hard 20%
x&os 5%


it is hard to come up with head coach names that are attractive and feasible.  so the new coach should be an asst.  there are always assts around that would make great coaches, it's just a matter of identifying them and/or flipping the coin and coming up sixs.

This is the most accurate metaphor that has been mixed.  Hopefully we will get a guy who is ~ Frank Martin 5 years ago...

[ChiComCat]

Huggins and Frank hate Cronin. Cronin wouldn't even talk to Frank when he got the HC job at Cincy, much less offer him a job. I'd put Cronin below Stallings, too.

Yea, wasn't there a lot of butt hurt with Andy Kennedy not keeping it, IIRC.  Not to mention, Cincy wasn't going to hire anybody who spoke highly of Huggs either

[Cartierfor3]

I agree for the most part, but think coaching is key in the last few minutes.  Basically, this is burned into my head based on when we went from Wooly to Huggs.  That maybe an extreme example because Wooly was monumentally inept in those situations, but that is mainly my only concern x-o's wise

http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/compare?c1=bob-huggins&c2=chris-mack&c3=jim-wooldridge&c4=lon-kruger&remove=chris-mack

Wooly wins 49% of close games and Huggs wins 52%. I mean it's better, but that would MAYBE translate to one extra win a year. Wooly's problem was always shitty talent.

Wooly gets a pretty big edge there based on the teams/coaches he has played against.  Would be curious to see his numbers at K-State.  The thing I remember is Cartier constantly dribbling the ball off his leg out of bounds late in games because Wooly decided he should/could create his shot.

Sounds like your memory fails you

[Rage Against the McKee]

Potential candidates for K-State job
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Bob Lutz of The Wichita Eagle provided a list on Wednesday of possible candidates to replace Frank Martin at Kansas State.

According to Lutz, the No. 1 option is Colorado coach Tad Boyle, a name that seems to come up in every job opening across the west and midwest. Boyle appears to be pretty happy in Boulder, however, and many may look at this as a lateral move.

Others on the list include the likes of Illinois State coach Tim Jankovich -- someone ESPN's Andy Katz mentioned earlier this week -- along with Kentucky assistant Orlando Antigua, Oklahoma assistant Steven Henson and Georgia coach Mark Fox, who has ties to the school.

As for long shots? Lutz mentions Saint Mary's coach Randy Bennett, Harvard coach Tommy Amaker, Michigan State assistant Dwayne Stephens and New Mexico coach Steve Alford.

 

NO Orlando Antigua!!!!! He is not even the top assistant!   

 

[Doberman_CATS!!!]

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Of note: Strength coach Scott Greenawalt's newest contract made him employed by #KState, not men's basketball as was previously the case.

 

[michigancat]

I'd put Cronin below Stallings, too.

Why?

worse results

[michigancat]

Most coaches are very close to .500 in close games.

You are saying coaches who are good at close games are actually just on the right side of variance?  Impossible.

I'm saying I don't think any coaches are good at close games, and it shouldn't be a factor when evaluating potential coaches.

[MakeItRain]

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Of note: Strength coach Scott Greenawalt's newest contract made him employed by #KState, not men's basketball as was previously the case.

 

thought it was well known that he's worked with Deb's ladies for the last few years

[Rage Against the McKee]

Most coaches are very close to .500 in close games.

You are saying coaches who are good at close games are actually just on the right side of variance?  Impossible.

I'm saying I don't think any coaches are good at close games, and it shouldn't be a factor when evaluating potential coaches.

I would have agreed with you, but then you posted Wooly's stats in close games that show he's terrible at them.

[WillieWatanabe]

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Of note: Strength coach Scott Greenawalt's newest contract made him employed by #KState, not men's basketball as was previously the case.

 

thought it was well known that he's worked with Deb's ladies for the last few years

[michigancat]

Most coaches are very close to .500 in close games.

You are saying coaches who are good at close games are actually just on the right side of variance?  Impossible.

I'm saying I don't think any coaches are good at close games, and it shouldn't be a factor when evaluating potential coaches.

I would have agreed with you, but then you posted Wooly's stats in close games that show he's terrible at them.

He had one freakish year. 49% for a career is not terrible when you consider Bob Huggins wins 52%.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Most coaches are very close to .500 in close games.

You are saying coaches who are good at close games are actually just on the right side of variance?  Impossible.

I'm saying I don't think any coaches are good at close games, and it shouldn't be a factor when evaluating potential coaches.

I would have agreed with you, but then you posted Wooly's stats in close games that show he's terrible at them.

He had one freakish year. 49% for a career is not terrible when you consider Bob Huggins wins 52%.

It's all relative to everybody else. It makes a 1-2 game difference in the average year. That is significant.

Also, I don't really know how you defined "close game" so I can't really argue the point too much. I would include games that were within 6 points at the under 4 timeout and games that finished with a margin of 3 or less. It seems to me that coaches who are bad at close games tend to keep it close until the last tv timeout, then everything falls apart. See Self vs Roy in the elite 8 this year. Roy isn't bad, but Self is much better.

[michigancat]

It's all relative to everybody else. It makes a 1-2 game difference in the average year. That is significant.

More like 1-2 games over 2-3 years. It shouldn't be considered as a factor.

[MakeItRain]

I'd put Cronin below Stallings, too.

Why?

worse results

I'll take Cronin over Stallings.  The record is close enough where Cronin should be given big east credit.  Mick Cronin's first 6 years at a major program kills Stallings first six years.  After 13 years Stallings is still below .500 in conference play. 

Also I'm deadly serious about image of the program and having a coach consistently in front of national television cameras.

[kso_FAN]

I'd put Cronin below Stallings, too.

Why?

worse results

???

Stallings - 6 years at mid major, 2 NCAAs, 2 NITs. 1st 5 years at a BCS school, 1 NCAA (Sweet 16), 2 NITs.

Cronin - 3 years at mid major, 2 NCAAs. 1st 5 years at a BCS school, 2 NCAAs (Sweet 16), 1 NIT.

[MakeItRain]

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Of note: Strength coach Scott Greenawalt's newest contract made him employed by #KState, not men's basketball as was previously the case.

 

thought it was well known that he's worked with Deb's ladies for the last few years

[michigancat]

welp, I guess I should look before I talk sometimes.

[doom]

"Of course I would love to coach at KSU." - Doug Gottlieb

Judges?

hire him. done.

#teamgottlieb    

[steve dave]

Smart
Mack
Buzz
Cronin
Pastner
Stallings
---------- cutoff where everyone above this line would laugh in our faces. KState should still contact and throw money at everyone above this line anyway.
Pearl
Majerus
Theus
Capel
Unders
Brown
Hurricane
Quin
--------- cutoff where everyone above would not only take the job but I wouldn't burn this place down. below this line and I burn this site, everyone on it and the OOD to the ground
eustachy
jank
henson
marshall
boyle
fox
sutton
wojo
collins
kruger
altman
weber
purnell
jeter

Coaches are not ordered within their respective categories (to avoid bias)

[michigancat]

Also, I don't really know how you defined "close game" so I can't really argue the point too much. I would include games that were within 6 points at the under 4 timeout and games that finished with a margin of 3 or less. It seems to me that coaches who are bad at close games tend to keep it close until the last tv timeout, then everything falls apart. See Self vs Roy in the elite 8 this year. Roy isn't bad, but Self is much better.

just saw your edit. Close games are defined by statsheet as games decided by 6 points or less. ChiCat was particularly interested in end-of-game situations, and I can't think of a better way to compare coaches in this way without looking up individual game logs for every coach in question.

I also don't care much about one game comparisons or NCAA tournament results when evaluating coaches. Conference record and finish is far more important IMO, because it is a relatively large sample size and is pretty much all against peer schools.

[pissclams]

mods pls add Rob Lanier to the list

[Rage Against the McKee]

Also, I don't really know how you defined "close game" so I can't really argue the point too much. I would include games that were within 6 points at the under 4 timeout and games that finished with a margin of 3 or less. It seems to me that coaches who are bad at close games tend to keep it close until the last tv timeout, then everything falls apart. See Self vs Roy in the elite 8 this year. Roy isn't bad, but Self is much better.

just saw your edit. Close games are defined by statsheet as games decided by 6 points or less. ChiCat was particularly interested in end-of-game situations, and I can't think of a better way to compare coaches in this way without looking up individual game logs for every coach in question.

I also don't care much about one game comparisons or NCAA tournament results when evaluating coaches. Conference record and finish is far more important IMO, because it is a relatively large sample size and is pretty much all against peer schools.

Oh, I agree. Close games aren't that important, but I do think that some coaches are much better at them than other coaches.

[Dr Rick Daris]

mods pls add Rob Lanier to the list

also gottleib

[chum1]

speaking of recruiting, did someone mention the possibility of antigua getting some coach cal scraps tossed his way?