Coaching Search Master Thread (now featuring worst possible choice oscar weber)

[Skipper44]

I only care about recruiting

why?

recruit well and good things will happen no matter what. I also think it's the easiest way to evaluate "unproven" coaches. If I'm an AD, I'm asking a candidate to name their top 5 relationships with AAU programs, examples of under-the-radar recruits that exceeded conventional expectations, examples of recruiting victories over "better" programs, and examples of recruiting losses and why the losses occurred. IMO everyone that is a D1 Head Coach or assistant is competent at "x's and o's" because basketball is a brutally simple game and 9 times out of 10 talent wins out. What truly separates coaches are their recruiting relationships and approach.

I agree for the most part, but think coaching is key in the last few minutes.  Basically, this is burned into my head based on when we went from Wooly to Huggs.  That maybe an extreme example because Wooly was monumentally inept in those situations, but that is mainly my only concern x-o's wise

last minute X and Oing is over rated at the high major level.  It is all about who has guys that can make plays, even X and O legends like Majerus built his rep coaching longtime NBA talent like Van Horn and Miller.  Jimmies and Joes trump Xs and Os the majority of the time.

[j rake]

Steve henson on 610 right now, pitching himself for k-state.  Jfc I hate our fans so much.  You know our fans will eat it up.

is he even in the top 5 of bald candidates?

[j rake]

judges forgot to list tinkle as a possibility. dude would be a strong hire.

Preemptive.

love your sig, but come on, another coach from huggins' back-stabbing tree? get mick off there.

[michigancat]

I agree for the most part, but think coaching is key in the last few minutes.  Basically, this is burned into my head based on when we went from Wooly to Huggs.  That maybe an extreme example because Wooly was monumentally inept in those situations, but that is mainly my only concern x-o's wise

http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/compare?c1=bob-huggins&c2=chris-mack&c3=jim-wooldridge&c4=lon-kruger&remove=chris-mack

Wooly wins 49% of close games and Huggs wins 52%. I mean it's better, but that would MAYBE translate to one extra win a year. Wooly's problem was always shitty talent.

[LickNeckey]

is Rod Strickland Cal's right hand man?

[davegladow]

If you're considering adding Majerus to the list (and you should, because he's awesome and might die soon -- makes the Pearl transition more tenable), you may as well look at other guys in his same range of talent/effectiveness.

Steve Alford is about as meh a hire as you could ever find, but he meets the basic requirements of going to the tournament every other year (and winning once he gets there) and being massively underpaid.

http://thelobolair.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36262

These guys think he needs more money, but also think their AD is too small-timey to actually pay him.  Sound familiar?

Almost too perfect a fit, really.  Would frustrate the hell out of us.  The BBSing would be beautiful.

[Doberman_CATS!!!]

judges forgot to list tinkle as a possibility. dude would be a strong hire.

I was with you on #Bilas4KSU, but Mr. Tinkle has no business at the Kansas State University Wildcats

[puniraptor]

Majerus in the middle imo

[j rake]

I was with you on #Bilas4KSU, but Mr. Tinkle has no business at the Kansas State University Wildcats

tinkle is a straight shooter.

[Dr Rick Daris]

"Of course I would love to coach at KSU." - Doug Gottlieb

Judges?

hire him. done.

[CNS]

Dear Steve Hensen, I don't give a eff if a kid understands what it means to wear purple.

I hate this talking point.  I hate it for what it means and I hate it for it probably making the tucks embrace the crap out of Hensen over all others at this point. 

[Skipper44]

If you're considering adding Majerus to the list (and you should, because he's awesome and might die soon -- makes the Pearl transition more tenable), you may as well look at other guys in his same range of talent/effectiveness.

Steve Alford is about as meh a hire as you could ever find, but he meets the basic requirements of going to the tournament every other year (and winning once he gets there) and being massively underpaid.

http://thelobolair.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36262

These guys think he needs more money, but also think their AD is too small-timey to actually pay him.  Sound familiar?

Almost too perfect a fit, really.  Would frustrate the hell out of us.  The BBSing would be beautiful.

My guess is Alford will say no. The way he left Iowa indicates he may of learned the lesson of best job at a mid major > mid tier high major w/o a recruiting base.

[_33]

Majerus in the middle

Would make a great sitcom

[michigancat]

MIDMajerusDLE

[kso_FAN]

love your sig, but come on, another coach from huggins' back-stabbing tree? get mick off there.

Remember, Mick left and coached under Pitino and I don't think that went over well with Huggins.

That said, I think it would be really hard to pull him away from Cinci.

[ChiComCat]

I agree for the most part, but think coaching is key in the last few minutes.  Basically, this is burned into my head based on when we went from Wooly to Huggs.  That maybe an extreme example because Wooly was monumentally inept in those situations, but that is mainly my only concern x-o's wise

http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/compare?c1=bob-huggins&c2=chris-mack&c3=jim-wooldridge&c4=lon-kruger&remove=chris-mack

Wooly wins 49% of close games and Huggs wins 52%. I mean it's better, but that would MAYBE translate to one extra win a year. Wooly's problem was always shitty talent.

Wooly gets a pretty big edge there based on the teams/coaches he has played against.  Would be curious to see his numbers at K-State.  The thing I remember is Cartier constantly dribbling the ball off his leg out of bounds late in games because Wooly decided he should/could create his shot.

[fr@ck me]

I've accepted Steve Henson as our next coach!  he won't ever leave!  he snuck into the student sectio.  he makes free throws! 

[ChiComCat]

judges forgot to list tinkle as a possibility. dude would be a strong hire.

Preemptive.

love your sig, but come on, another coach from huggins' back-stabbing tree? get mick off there.

Yea, damn that success they've brought us

[sys]

talent 75%
playing hard 20%
x&os 5%


it is hard to come up with head coach names that are attractive and feasible.  so the new coach should be an asst.  there are always assts around that would make great coaches, it's just a matter of identifying them and/or flipping the coin and coming up sixs.

[michigancat]

I agree for the most part, but think coaching is key in the last few minutes.  Basically, this is burned into my head based on when we went from Wooly to Huggs.  That maybe an extreme example because Wooly was monumentally inept in those situations, but that is mainly my only concern x-o's wise

http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/compare?c1=bob-huggins&c2=chris-mack&c3=jim-wooldridge&c4=lon-kruger&remove=chris-mack

Wooly wins 49% of close games and Huggs wins 52%. I mean it's better, but that would MAYBE translate to one extra win a year. Wooly's problem was always shitty talent.

Wooly gets a pretty big edge there based on the teams/coaches he has played against.  Would be curious to see his numbers at K-State.  The thing I remember is Cartier constantly dribbling the ball off his leg out of bounds late in games because Wooly decided he should/could create his shot.

Year by year:

5-4
4-4
0-5(!)
4-4
4-3
6-9

The year Huggins was here he was 4-3. This year he was 4-6, FWIW. Most coaches are very close to .500 in close games.

[j rake]

judges forgot to list tinkle as a possibility. dude would be a strong hire.

love your sig, but come on, another coach from huggins' back-stabbing tree? get mick off there.

Yea, damn that success they've brought us

anybody who speaks highly of, has respect for or references huggins or frank won't be considered.

[michigancat]

Huggins and Frank hate Cronin. Cronin wouldn't even talk to Frank when he got the HC job at Cincy, much less offer him a job. I'd put Cronin below Stallings, too.

[sys]

the accepted narrative is that cronin and huggins dislike each other.

[kso_FAN]

I'd put Cronin below Stallings, too.

Why?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Cronin could make our future games against West Virginia fun.