Hey, John Currie, please keep dicking the shazbot! around on Frank's contract!

[mcmwcat]

no where did I say he said he doesn't want an extension until the end of the season, perhaps you should bone up on your reading skills

if you've heard Frank speak on it, he says he isn't worrying or working on it until after the season.   Get over it.

am i creating a strawman here

if you think those 2 sentences mean the same thing, you need to go back to grade school.

enjoying your circlejerk?


Frank has never said he wouldn't take one if offered.  Just that he's not worried about it or focusing on it during the season.   Pretty simple really.  I know you guys enjoy playing obtuse, but if you keep acting that way eventually you will become stupid.

why would Frank go on the radio and clarify he is the lowest paid coach in the league when the host asks him a question about this contract.  why not 'no comment.  we'll talk about this after the season.'

can you provide a link where frank says he isn't worrying about or working on a contract extension until the end of the season?  are you being obtuse when you post a link to a Robinette article?  an article where Robinette writes in his own words what I am looking for in a Frank quotation.  

[AzCat]

I have no problem assuming Currie is an idiot.

Yeah, I've seen nothing to suggest otherwise.  On the other hand, I've had numerous people tell me he's a fracking Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  

what the hell has currie done besides sell $99 football tickets and give two head coaches of non-for-profit sports contract raises/extensions that would lead anyone to believe that he is any good at his job?  

HE ANSWERS EVERY E-MAIL HE RECEIVES FROM FANS!

He didn't answer mine.  Maybe he didn't like the photo of the horse's head that was attached to it.   

[Pete]

I also think that he has his sights set on moving up and out of Manhattan, ASAP.  Currie isn't going to do anything that is going to tarnish that little financial flip chart that he walks around with.  By the time Currie lands his next gig, he hopes to have stabilized football to preserve the revenue stream and coasted along on basketball fumes long enough for it to appear viable.

The problem with that thought is that the sort of programs that would represent a signficant upward move from KSU are the sort that are swimming in cash and care about one and only one thing: winning.  Currie's failure to retain Frank at KSU would be a huge negative to those folks while his ability to do an athletic department on a shoestring budget would be wholly irrelevant.  Fans of place like Northeastern Central Western Bumfrack U. State (and Powertards of course) care about the latter, big time programs do not.  

Fire Currie.  

I don't disagree that winning is attractive to big programs, but that's not the point.  They'll easily forgive Currie's inability to get a deal done with Martin if Martin leaves for a bigger name school....remember, this is Manhattan...Currie can't possibly compete with the big boys.  It's a built in excuse.  Besides, Currie already has Tenn. on his resume.

[catzacker]

I actually have it on good authority that the deal was dead at Wefald's hands before the Fitz debacle, but it certainly didn't help.    I really wanted Patterson, I remember fist pumping to the radio that afternoon.

knowing this, and accepting, for the sake of argument, that martin would like to coach long-term at kstate if given a fair salary, i'm not sure how you can not be wracked with worry that currie will shazbot! kstate fans over.

Is Curry Wefald?   No.

Is Curry Krause?  No.

Curry is fairly unproven at this point.   He's done some fairly decent things with the program to help appease the fans this year, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until there is suffiecient PROOF otherwise.

there's a reverse to this, until proven otherwise he hasn't done anything to get my benefit of the doubt.  and actually, I'd argue that given the other contracts/extensions he's given out, that there seems to be, imo, an issue with his ability to prioritze what's important and/or recognize what's important.  

[Pete]

no where did I say he said he doesn't want an extension until the end of the season, perhaps you should bone up on your reading skills

if you've heard Frank speak on it, he says he isn't worrying or working on it until after the season.   Get over it.

am i creating a strawman here

if you think those 2 sentences mean the same thing, you need to go back to grade school.

enjoying your circlejerk?


Frank has never said he wouldn't take one if offered.  Just that he's not worried about it or focusing on it during the season.   Pretty simple really.  I know you guys enjoy playing obtuse, but if you keep acting that way eventually you will become stupid.

why would Frank go on the radio and clarify he is the lowest paid coach in the league when the host asks him a question about this contract.  why not 'no comment.  we'll talk about this after the season.'

can you provide a link where frank says he isn't worrying about or working on a contract extension until the end of the season?  are you being obtuse when you post a link to a Robinette article?  an article where Robinette writes in his own words what I am looking for in a Frank quotation.  

In that interview, the interviewer said Frank was the second lowest paid coach, and Frank corrected him and said that he was indeed the lowest paid coach.  

Now if that isn't a "eff You Pay Me".....

[Mikeyis4dcats]

no where did I say he said he doesn't want an extension until the end of the season, perhaps you should bone up on your reading skills

if you've heard Frank speak on it, he says he isn't worrying or working on it until after the season.   Get over it.

am i creating a strawman here

if you think those 2 sentences mean the same thing, you need to go back to grade school.

enjoying your circlejerk?


Frank has never said he wouldn't take one if offered.  Just that he's not worried about it or focusing on it during the season.   Pretty simple really.  I know you guys enjoy playing obtuse, but if you keep acting that way eventually you will become stupid.

why would Frank go on the radio and clarify he is the lowest paid coach in the league when the host asks him a question about this contract.  why not 'no comment.  we'll talk about this after the season.'

can you provide a link where frank says he isn't worrying about or working on a contract extension until the end of the season?  are you being obtuse when you post a link to a Robinette article?  an article where Robinette writes in his own words what I am looking for in a Frank quotation.  

Frank appears to me to be the kind of guy that would have clarified he was the 4th and not the 3rd highest paid if that was the case.   He deals in plain talk, no bullshit.   He deals in truth and fact, and if an interviewer misspoke on any fact, I think Frank would correct him.    Frank hasn't ever dodge talk of his contract when it's been brought up, but he's quick to point out that it's a work in progress and that he has faith it will be resolved to his satisfaction.    We are talking about the same guy who coached here without a signed contract the first season....that's not the sign of a guy who's concerned about it to a great extent.

as far as the other extensions, last I heard Deb wasn't championing the practice facility, so if that's a major issue in the contract talks, that's irrelevant to her.

[Stevesie60]

I think Currie has to have some type of common sense, and I'm sure he's heard enough from fans and donors to know what he needs to do. It seems that both sides will most likely benefit from waiting to see how the season plays out, more so Martin. If we beat UK in Allen, or in the Big XII tourny, then Marin could easily get more. Or if we get to the Elite 8, or the Final 4 as it seems more and more possible, then that would also benefit Martin. Currie can not try to argue that we're pressed for money right now, with ticket sales soaring compared to previous seasons. Also, now that Martin has been talking about how great of an environment Manhattan is for his children to grow up in, he HAS to have some attachment to the Little Apple.

Or maybe I'm just a hopeless idealist.

[pissclams]

Bob Krause would've already offered Frank a new contract . . . period, end of discussion.

Bob Krause also would've re-written the books 8 times, killed several people and buried them out in Colbert Hills, and robbed a couple of banks by now to get his Wildcat Victory Campaign going.  

I blame all the dumb $hit Krause did completely on Wefald.

dax, you have no idea how accurate this post is.  actually, you probably do.  either way, it's really accurate and i want to go on record as saying that.

[mcmwcat]

He deals in plain talk, no bullshit.   He deals in truth and fact, and if an interviewer misspoke on any fact, I think Frank would correct him.    Frank hasn't ever dodge talk of his contract when it's been brought up, but he's quick to point out that it's a work in progress and that he has faith it will be resolved to his satisfaction.

so is he or is he not working on or worrying about it until the end of the season or is it a work in progress.  if he deals in 'plain talk. no bullshit'. that means he must be worrying about it or working on it.  or he's a bullshitter

[Pete]

no where did I say he said he doesn't want an extension until the end of the season, perhaps you should bone up on your reading skills

if you've heard Frank speak on it, he says he isn't worrying or working on it until after the season.   Get over it.

am i creating a strawman here

if you think those 2 sentences mean the same thing, you need to go back to grade school.

enjoying your circlejerk?


Frank has never said he wouldn't take one if offered.  Just that he's not worried about it or focusing on it during the season.   Pretty simple really.  I know you guys enjoy playing obtuse, but if you keep acting that way eventually you will become stupid.

why would Frank go on the radio and clarify he is the lowest paid coach in the league when the host asks him a question about this contract.  why not 'no comment.  we'll talk about this after the season.'

can you provide a link where frank says he isn't worrying about or working on a contract extension until the end of the season?  are you being obtuse when you post a link to a Robinette article?  an article where Robinette writes in his own words what I am looking for in a Frank quotation.  

Frank appears to me to be the kind of guy that would have clarified he was the 4th and not the 3rd highest paid if that was the case.   He deals in plain talk, no bullshit.   He deals in truth and fact, and if an interviewer misspoke on any fact, I think Frank would correct him.    Frank hasn't ever dodge talk of his contract when it's been brought up, but he's quick to point out that it's a work in progress and that he has faith it will be resolved to his satisfaction.    We are talking about the same guy who coached here without a signed contract the first season....that's not the sign of a guy who's concerned about it to a great extent.

as far as the other extensions, last I heard Deb wasn't championing the practice facility, so if that's a major issue in the contract talks, that's irrelevant to her.

In that first season, frank would have killed a drifter to keep his job.

Those days are gone.  In this biz, you get paid.  Frank seems like he likes his kids more than a little bit.  You telling me that he's going to pass up on an opportunity to guarantee his family's financial security for generations?  The guy who came from poverty is going to pass up on securing his children's financial independence?

I give Frank credit for handling this thing properly in the public eye.....which has nothing to do with point of this thread.

[AzCat]

I don't disagree that winning is attractive to big programs, but that's not the point.  They'll easily forgive Currie's inability to get a deal done with Martin if Martin leaves for a bigger name school....remember, this is Manhattan...Currie can't possibly compete with the big boys.  It's a built in excuse.  Besides, Currie already has Tenn. on his resume.

Pete the world is filled with people bearing excuses for why they just couldn't quite get it done.  A little more time, a little more money, a little more support, blah, blah, blah.  If Currie wants a top-shelf job he needs to prove that he can get it done, I've never met anyone who was excellent at anything that made excuses for their past failures.  Fact is if Currie can't nail down Frank at KSU he's a washout as a prospect for a top AD job.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

He deals in plain talk, no bullshit.   He deals in truth and fact, and if an interviewer misspoke on any fact, I think Frank would correct him.    Frank hasn't ever dodge talk of his contract when it's been brought up, but he's quick to point out that it's a work in progress and that he has faith it will be resolved to his satisfaction.

so is he or is he not working on or worrying about it until the end of the season or is it a work in progress.  if he deals in 'plain talk. no bullshit'. that means he must be worrying about it or working on it.  or he's a bullshitter

he answered the question when asked.    I have no doubts that until Jeff Martin spilled his guts and started this whole thing we wouldn't have heard Frank say a word.  and that's the way it should have been.

[sys]

Pete the world is filled with people bearing excuses for why they just couldn't quite get it done.  A little more time, a little more money, a little more support, blah, blah, blah.  If Currie wants a top-shelf job he needs to prove that he can get it done, I've never met anyone who was excellent at anything that made excuses for their past failures.  Fact is if Currie can't nail down Frank at KSU he's a washout as a prospect for a top AD job.

what looks better for currie?  extending a guy he didn't hire to a run of the mill big 12 contract, or losing that guy and hiring his own guy (who does well for at least as long as currie remains at kstate)?

[catzacker]

He deals in plain talk, no bullshit.   He deals in truth and fact, and if an interviewer misspoke on any fact, I think Frank would correct him.    Frank hasn't ever dodge talk of his contract when it's been brought up, but he's quick to point out that it's a work in progress and that he has faith it will be resolved to his satisfaction.

so is he or is he not working on or worrying about it until the end of the season or is it a work in progress.  if he deals in 'plain talk. no bullshit'. that means he must be worrying about it or working on it.  or he's a bullshitter

he answered the question when asked.    I have no doubts that until Jeff Martin spilled his guts and started this whole thing we wouldn't have heard Frank say a word.  and that's the way it should have been.

no, that's the way Currie wanted it so he could spin it if he f*cked this thing up.  and then people like you would just fall back on the "since he's and athletic director of my school, then he can do no wrong" until Currie leaves and an audit is done and every finds out what a complete ass he is.

[AzCat]

Pete the world is filled with people bearing excuses for why they just couldn't quite get it done.  A little more time, a little more money, a little more support, blah, blah, blah.  If Currie wants a top-shelf job he needs to prove that he can get it done, I've never met anyone who was excellent at anything that made excuses for their past failures.  Fact is if Currie can't nail down Frank at KSU he's a washout as a prospect for a top AD job.

what looks better for currie?  extending a guy he didn't hire to a run of the mill big 12 contract, or losing that guy and hiring his own guy (who does well for at least as long as currie remains at kstate)?

The former when the coach in question started his HC career at KSU and promptly won more games than any coach in the university's long & storied basketball history.  Only a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) would eff that up.

[ltrain]

He deals in plain talk, no bullshit.   He deals in truth and fact, and if an interviewer misspoke on any fact, I think Frank would correct him.    Frank hasn't ever dodge talk of his contract when it's been brought up, but he's quick to point out that it's a work in progress and that he has faith it will be resolved to his satisfaction.

so is he or is he not working on or worrying about it until the end of the season or is it a work in progress.  if he deals in 'plain talk. no bullshit'. that means he must be worrying about it or working on it.  or he's a bullshitter

he answered the question when asked.    I have no doubts that until Jeff Martin spilled his guts and started this whole thing we wouldn't have heard Frank say a word.  and that's the way it should have been.

I don’t think J-Mart ‘spilled his guts’ because he felt like it…it was going to become an issue whether J-Mart said anything or not.  It was no coincidence that this all blew up right after the Texas win…suddenly everyone had a source that said Frank was insulted/Currie was an idiot.

Put me in the camp that doesn’t like Currie, but I still think Frank’s deal will get done, I just hope Currie’s moved on before we have to go through this again.

[kcchiefdav]

Idiots, Frank is not waiting until the end of the season...He's going to announce his extension at the post Grassroots Parade press conf.

[sys]

The former when the coach in question started his HC career at KSU and promptly won more games than any coach in the university's long & storied basketball history.  Only a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) would shazbot! that up.

ok, good.  makes me feel better.

[AzCat]

The former when the coach in question started his HC career at KSU and promptly won more games than any coach in the university's long & storied basketball history.  Only a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) would shazbot! that up.

ok, good.  makes me feel better.

But, based on the apparent state of the negotiations, we can only infer that Currie is a complete full-on Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). 

[wabash909]

He deals in plain talk, no bullshit.   He deals in truth and fact, and if an interviewer misspoke on any fact, I think Frank would correct him.    Frank hasn't ever dodge talk of his contract when it's been brought up, but he's quick to point out that it's a work in progress and that he has faith it will be resolved to his satisfaction.

so is he or is he not working on or worrying about it until the end of the season or is it a work in progress.  if he deals in 'plain talk. no bullshit'. that means he must be worrying about it or working on it.  or he's a bullshitter

he answered the question when asked.    I have no doubts that until Jeff Martin spilled his guts and started this whole thing we wouldn't have heard Frank say a word.  and that's the way it should have been.

Frank Martin is a guy who I sincerely believe respects and appreciates this school, his current coaching position and the fan base.

What good does it serve him to make any sort of perceived negative statements that reflect poorly on any of the above when questioned publically in the media about this contract negotiation?

His typical response about “things are being worked on” is exactly as it should be, neutral.  This isn't about plain talk, straight shooting.  He’s simply taking the high road here.  

As far as the “proof”.  The proof exists in the fact that a new contract has not been finalized.

The bottom line is there isn't much to "work out" and there's no reason to overcomplicate this.  It's actually pretty straight forward.  Frank has put his contract terms on the table.  Curry to this point has not agreed to them.  Let's stop acting like this is some ridiculously involved process.

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

I hate these threads.  That is all I have to contribute.

[bleedpurple]

So where exactly is all this money Currie is supposed to use, coming from. . . ? You know we held a giant "garage sale" for the athletic department last year. LOL- at probably being the only school trying to sell random crap just so we don't come out in the negatives. I guess I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like it.

[Levi]

He deals in plain talk, no bullshit.   He deals in truth and fact, and if an interviewer misspoke on any fact, I think Frank would correct him.    Frank hasn't ever dodge talk of his contract when it's been brought up, but he's quick to point out that it's a work in progress and that he has faith it will be resolved to his satisfaction.

so is he or is he not working on or worrying about it until the end of the season or is it a work in progress.  if he deals in 'plain talk. no bullshit'. that means he must be worrying about it or working on it.  or he's a bullshitter

he answered the question when asked.    I have no doubts that until Jeff Martin spilled his guts and started this whole thing we wouldn't have heard Frank say a word.  and that's the way it should have been.

Great thread.

One thought, Mikey...

Have you considered the contents of J-Mart's "spill"?

So, in your words, Frank isn’t worried about the contract at all, at least until after the season. But for some reason, Currie, who you would think would know Frank doesn’t want to worry about the contract, presents him with an offer anyway?

[bleedpurple]

Lots of athletic departments have "garage sales".   It's pretty common.  

Plus . . . and I'll say this for the last F_CKING TIME.    Do not believe this "the athletic department is in financial shambles" BS that MisFitzermation regularly spews on his website.   Now, I am not saying that they've got piles of money laying around, I am not saying that they aren't watching every dime . . . what am saying is that if DPPB (that's Deb Patterson's Prison Bitch) wanted to pay Frank the additional $2-$3-$4 hundred thousand he wants, it could be handled.  

Really dax, so you spewing what you believe here is any different? . . . Sounds a lot like opinions.

But I have friends that work in the athletic dep and considering they were thinking of laying off STUDENTS b/c they weren't sure they could pay them, what, 7$ an hour, would lead you to assume they are fracking struggling.

With that being said- there is bad debt and good debt, and paying Frank would be good debt. I would assume Currie understands the difference. If he doesn't he has no right to be where he is. Pretty simple.

[sys]

The former when the coach in question started his HC career at KSU and promptly won more games than any coach in the university's long & storied basketball history.  Only a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) would shazbot! that up.

ok, good.  makes me feel better.

But, based on the apparent state of the negotiations, we can only infer that Currie is a complete full-on Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). 

crap.