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Kansas State Football / Re: these rain aggie fucks are a no show....wtf?
« on: December 21, 2012, 05:59:17 PM »
It's already been discussed, but it's much harder to troll a fanbase whose livelihood does not revolve around the 1 state school's football team. Actually there is only a few schools where this is the case. We have hit the jackpot so far with Arkansas and West Virginia. Other potential slam dunks would be LSU & Tennessee, but not a whole lot of other ones.

I think every SEC team would be easy. And probably none of the PAC 12 teams.

yeah, probably (not kentucky & vanderbilt)


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So, we'll win the Crystal Tostito either way?  :ksu:

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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.

 :facepalm: :facepalm:
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.

If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in.  GMAFB just OU and Texas.

That's NOT what happened. What did actually happen in real life completely disproves your theory.

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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.

Thats not true at all.  Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game.  A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC.  The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC.  I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.

 :facepalm:

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The Big 10 is the douche that sleeps with girls by convincing them that he really wants a long term relationship with them. The after he gets what he wants, you never hear from him again. You find out a week later he left you for a hotter girl.

Well we all saw them do it to Mizzou. Us and KU joined and laughed in Mizzou's face. Mizzou was heartbroken. Now the Big 10 does it to KU. At this point it's like, what'd you think was going to happen, you know? Hard to have sympathy for them in this debacle.

"Can you turn off the lights? My eyes hurt." -Big Ten

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If the big 10 picks off G-Tech I wouldn't be surprised to see Virginia go.  I know they took Rutgers, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see Syracuse come into play if this is really about the New York, Eastern market.

Supposedly Virginia & Virginia Tech will never be broken up...big political issue in that state & the powers that be will never allow it to happen

Well, they used to be apart.

Yes, and the powers that be pulled every string they had to get them united in the ACC, and won't allow them to be split again...that was according to one of the thousand or so "experts" that has been on the radios this week, can't remember which one, but I trust him more than the Dude

I'm sure that won't change at all when the politicians realize that being tied together will just drown them both in the Big East 2.0.

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The Dude of WV ?@theDudeofWV B12 makes play for 4 from ACC.

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The Dude of WV ?@theDudeofWV @charlie3279 The best - FSU, Clemson, GT, Miami.

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The Dude of WV ?@theDudeofWV @net0man Later.. about 1 pm.

Calling his shot.

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Kansas State, Georgia have much stronger cases.

 :facepalm:

How is having the same record against a better schedule not a better case?

Getting blown out by Baylor < Losing in overtime to current #8 (especially when #1 went to overtime with the same team)

And, there's barely a difference between the quality of the schedules, not enough to make up for the loss at least.

And, if you have Alabama in there, then Georgia has no argument whatsoever.

You're also on crack if you think a committee would put a 3rd SEC team in with a worse record than a Pac-12 school either last year or this year. Maybe if it's the second team but not the third.

the point is that divisions give the Pac 12, ACC, and Big 10 no advantage over the Big 12. The SEC currently has an advantage over everyone, and it's not necessarily due to their division format.

Except for math, divisions don't help at all.

Would you rather have five one-loss teams or three at the end of the season? One undefeated and three one-loss teams or one undefeated and one one-loss team?

Are you arguing that the SEC is significantly better than they were last year? The rankings seem to say they are even though, to me, I actually think they're worse.

To make a 4-team playoff: 14 teams > 12 teams > 10 teams and there's simply no argument.

You get more chances with more teams (obviously), but you also have to split your money more ways. If the Big 12 had 2 divisions, we probably still would have lost a game to a shitty team, and we would be in even worse shape because our conference schedule would be awful.

Every SEC, Big Ten, and Pac-12 team makes more money than we do.

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Kansas State, Georgia have much stronger cases.

 :facepalm:

How is having the same record against a better schedule not a better case?

Getting blown out by Baylor < Losing in overtime to current #8 (especially when #1 went to overtime with the same team)

And, there's barely a difference between the quality of the schedules, not enough to make up for the loss at least.

And, if you have Alabama in there, then Georgia has no argument whatsoever.

You're also on crack if you think a committee would put a 3rd SEC team in with a worse record than a Pac-12 school either last year or this year. Maybe if it's the second team but not the third.

the point is that divisions give the Pac 12, ACC, and Big 10 no advantage over the Big 12. The SEC currently has an advantage over everyone, and it's not necessarily due to their division format.

Except for math, divisions don't help at all.

Would you rather have five one-loss teams or three at the end of the season? One undefeated and three one-loss teams or one undefeated and one one-loss team?

Are you arguing that the SEC is significantly better than they were last year? The rankings seem to say they are even though, to me, I actually think they're worse.

To make a 4-team playoff: 14 teams > 12 teams > 10 teams and there's simply no argument.

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Kansas State, Georgia have much stronger cases.

 :facepalm:

How is having the same record against a better schedule not a better case?

Getting blown out by Baylor < Losing in overtime to current #8 (especially when #1 went to overtime with the same team)

And, there's barely a difference between the quality of the schedules, not enough to make up for the loss at least.

And, if you have Alabama in there, then Georgia has no argument whatsoever.

You're also on crack if you think a committee would put a 3rd SEC team in with a worse record than a Pac-12 school either last year or this year. Maybe if it's the second team but not the third.

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Kansas State, Georgia have much stronger cases.

 :facepalm:

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If we had won out and OU hadn't lost to ND I think there would be a very good chance of both of us being in the playoffs.

That's a shitload of hypotheticals, but still.

Two years of round robin and we would have gotten one total team in.

The SEC would have gotten four.

Real world vs hypotheticals.

And the Pac 12 and Big 10 and ACC would have gotten zero.

Pac-12 would have two.

I'll give you one. two is iffy.

So to summarize, among those 36 teams with division play, 1 team would be in the playoff over 2 years. Our 10-team round-robin league would get 1 as well.

Oregon or Stanford would have 100% been in last year. Guaranteed. (LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma State, Oregon or Stanford)

And, I don't see how there could be any argument against Oregon or Stanford getting in this year. (Notre Dame, Alabama or Georgia, Florida, Oregon or Stanford)

That's two.

So, of the actual 50 teams with division play (did you forget the SEC has divisions?), they'd get 6 in out of 8 spots.

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If we had won out and OU hadn't lost to ND I think there would be a very good chance of both of us being in the playoffs.

That's a shitload of hypotheticals, but still.

Two years of round robin and we would have gotten one total team in.

The SEC would have gotten four.

Real world vs hypotheticals.

And the Pac 12 and Big 10 and ACC would have gotten zero.

Pac-12 would have two.

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If we had won out and OU hadn't lost to ND I think there would be a very good chance of both of us being in the playoffs.

That's a shitload of hypotheticals, but still.

Two years of round robin and we would have gotten one total team in.

The SEC would have gotten four.

Real world vs hypotheticals.

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We seem to be winning just fine while playing the best teams in the conference.

Baylor says hi.

It is very possible to lose a game in the round robin Big 12 and make a 4 team playoff.

It's possible but wouldn't happen this year. The Big 12 is pretty much guaranteed to NEVER have more than one team with a round-robin.

If the team isn't good enough to make the playoff, then it doesn't really matter anyway. We are probably talking about the difference between a 7-8 win team and an 8-9 win team.

I'll agree with that if we don't make money from the rest of our conference doing well and making the playoff.

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Playing in front of Texas recruits and letting their families know they will have at least 2 games in Texas every year is a boost that other conferences don't have.

Winning > Recruiting

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Going back to the cable discussion...

What's the difference between Netflix/Hulu and a cable company for the consumer? They're charging a flat rate for a month of access, it's the exact same business model except they don't own the pipes. If Netflix/Hulu want to legitimately compete with cable (as in first-run and live content), it will cost just as much as cable, if not more.

Why would BTN or ESPN charge a low monthly rate for a la carte or separate from cable in order to make less money? What market forces would force them to do that?

Why do people act like cable companies aren't continually adding services that consumers are asking for and aren't more than a simple middle man? Because both of those things are actually true.

Be honest, you just want to pay less. Guess what, there's no logical business model that makes financial sense for anyone that would allow consumers to pay less (unless you legitimately watch almost no television or are fine with watching almost nothing).

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16 team conference will be this:

2 eight team divisions

3 game non con
7 game division
2 out of division games (1 may or may not be a "Rivalry game" played every year.

As far as the Big 12 we need to pick up 7 east coast schools and with West Virginia create an eastern division and a western division.

Pods only make since in BBall anyhow.

Nope.

4 non-con games
3 pod games
4 cross-pod games (everyone in your pod plays all the teams in another pod)
1 cross-pod rivalry game (when your playing your rival's pod, then there's either a secondary rival or it just rotates)

The two pods that are playing each other make up a division that determines their representative in the CCG but divisions are different every year because the pairs of pods are always different.

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Who in the eff would voluntarily watch Big Ten basketball?  :zzz:

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A la carte isn't going to happen. It makes no financial sense for anyone, including the consumer. Consumers just need to STFU because they're a bunch of retards that have no idea what they're talking about.

Why?

i'm basically ordering a la carte now w/ Amazon Instant, Netflix, Hulu, ESPN3, thefirstrow.eu.  it's good for me.

Netflix and Hulu are NOT a la carte. They're a bundle that's cheaper than cable.

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A la carte isn't going to happen. It makes no financial sense for anyone, including the consumer. Consumers just need to STFU because they're a bunch of retards that have no idea what they're talking about.

Why?

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all of that money you're getting for carriage rates will go away, and you'll be asking those few Rutgers and Maryland fans (few relative to the state populations) to pay that cash for BTN every month.

That's the main reason it doesn't make sense for the networks.

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People will buy ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU in most of their a la carte packages.  Most folks will purchase access to FSN Kansas City or FSN Midwest because there is overlap with other sports teams they watch (i.e. Royals, Cardinals, Blues, etc.).


And, that's why it doesn't make sense for the consumer. You're not just going to get to pay for ESPN, you'll pay for a bundle of ESPN networks (if not every Disney network). You're ALREADY paying $7-9 a month to have ESPN networks in your home when it's bundled. You take away half or more of those subscribers and ESPN has to charge double. But, the biggest thing is, you're taking away all the advertising revenue of being a 24 hour network in more than 100 million homes. That's what nobody understands, 24 hour advertising is subsidizing the cost of cable. You make money for the networks just by having a channel go into your home whether you ever watch it or not because they can say to advertisers "your commercial can be seen in 100 million homes". That means that if a network's subscribers get cut to 10% (very realistic for even popular networks like AMC), they'll have to charge 10x as much to consumers just to make up carriage costs, but then they'll have to charge much more than that to make up for advertising losses because they're in 1/10 of the homes.

The ESPN networks would cost you $25-30 a month. FSN would cost you $10-15 a month. Plus, the cable company will charge some sort of infrastructure fee because it costs them money to send content into your home even if it's just one channel, that will probably be $10-15 a month. So, in order to watch any sports whatsoever, you're paying minimum $45 a month. That's pretty much already what basic cable costs and you don't get anything but sports (and you're still not getting NBCSN, BTN, NFLN, MLBN, etc.) and you have to switch over to the antenna to watch sports on over-the-air networks (unless you want to pay $10 a month for the local package).

I think when people try to act like a la carte is a great idea, they think channels will cost $2-3. That's not even in the ballpark of realistic.

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Am I the only one that thinks this is just a run on an active 'bubble' like the dot.com bubble, or the housing market bubble? I mean, it is pretty clear to see that this is just that, and the bubble is going to pop at some point. There simply aren't enough players for ESPN to bid against for them to justify these Billion dollar TV deals...until or unless the NBC Sports Network and others come into the fold as serious Sports providers. This is all happening so fast & is so reactionary because people see it as a window that is closing, and once the bubble bursts, if you hadn't made your cash grab, there won't be any more cash left to grab...

The problem with this is that conferences like the BigTen are already seeing actual value in the contracts.  The dot.com bubble came from investors thinking that these websites were going to create future value out of an unproven business model.  The BigTen is already making money off their own network.  They already get paid something like $.75 per cable subscriber that has their network.  They already have established what they can get from ad revenue based on how many households get those ads.  That ad money isn't going to go down.  Live sports advertising costs are at a premium because thats about the only thing people don't TiVo and FF through the ads later.  It's a much more established business model.  The housing bubble was created by millions of stupid Americans buying houses they couldn't afford because stupid, greedy bankers were giving them loans.  Unless people just decide to stop watching live FB, the revenue stream isn't going away.  The bubble may burst someday if viewership goes down, but it won't nearly as hard as the dot.com or housing.  College TV contracts aren't built on a house of unproven business model cards.

There may be some merit to the idea that some conferences are overextending themselves, though.  The first reports of the SEC's new contract offer after adding A&M and Missouri were that it was underwhelming at best.  And I don't know if this Nate Silver post was linked here yet:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/expanding-eastward-could-dilute-big-ten-brand/

What Silver points out feeds the bubble concept.  If the cable TV model goes the way of a la carte and/or Internet distribution (i.e. K-State HD TV), they won't be able to make all of that money off of the 'scam', and you will need people to purchase your content, specifically.  That may mean Maryland and Rutgers, eventually, will be net losers because all of that money you're getting for carriage rates will go away, and you'll be asking those few Rutgers and Maryland fans (few relative to the state populations) to pay that cash for BTN every month.  So, if that's the case, how many millions of viewers go away?  How much money does that equate to, especially once you factor in how much less each team gets after the split?

I think, for us, our 'risk' in this area is minimal because the major platforms we're broadcasting tier 1 and tier 2 content on aren't going away.  People will buy ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU in most of their a la carte packages.  Most folks will purchase access to FSN Kansas City or FSN Midwest because there is overlap with other sports teams they watch (i.e. Royals, Cardinals, Blues, etc.).

However, the other 'risk' is that this bubble doesn't burst, and we're left holding the bag in 13 years.

A la carte isn't going to happen. It makes no financial sense for anyone, including the consumer. Consumers just need to STFU because they're a bunch of retards that have no idea what they're talking about.

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Texas and OU like this format because it allows them the easiest route.  Their game b/t each other is minimized in terms of conference importance.  A loss or a win in that game doesn’t nearly always determine your eventual fate.  Divisions are good for the conference, a round robin is good for OU and Texas.  This conference is not about the collective good.

Unless the money increases, divisions aren't better IMO.

In divisions, you can conceivably have an undefeated and three one-loss teams at the end of the season. With round robin, the best you can hope for is an undefeated and a one-loss team or three one-loss teams and no undefeateds.

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The above is the most likely scenario according to my friends at WVU. Remember that WVU has close ties with Maryland and Ohio State’s president was formerly the president at WVU and has maintained his ties with Morgantown. Both Ohio State and Maryland have freely shared information with WVU about Big 10 plans.

There's so many things wrong with this paragraph, I don't even know where to begin.

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