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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22600 on: November 21, 2012, 01:33:43 PM »
A la carte isn't going to happen. It makes no financial sense for anyone, including the consumer. Consumers just need to STFU because they're a bunch of retards that have no idea what they're talking about.

Why?

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all of that money you're getting for carriage rates will go away, and you'll be asking those few Rutgers and Maryland fans (few relative to the state populations) to pay that cash for BTN every month.

That's the main reason it doesn't make sense for the networks.

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People will buy ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU in most of their a la carte packages.  Most folks will purchase access to FSN Kansas City or FSN Midwest because there is overlap with other sports teams they watch (i.e. Royals, Cardinals, Blues, etc.).


And, that's why it doesn't make sense for the consumer. You're not just going to get to pay for ESPN, you'll pay for a bundle of ESPN networks (if not every Disney network). You're ALREADY paying $7-9 a month to have ESPN networks in your home when it's bundled. You take away half or more of those subscribers and ESPN has to charge double. But, the biggest thing is, you're taking away all the advertising revenue of being a 24 hour network in more than 100 million homes. That's what nobody understands, 24 hour advertising is subsidizing the cost of cable. You make money for the networks just by having a channel go into your home whether you ever watch it or not because they can say to advertisers "your commercial can be seen in 100 million homes". That means that if a network's subscribers get cut to 10% (very realistic for even popular networks like AMC), they'll have to charge 10x as much to consumers just to make up carriage costs, but then they'll have to charge much more than that to make up for advertising losses because they're in 1/10 of the homes.

The ESPN networks would cost you $25-30 a month. FSN would cost you $10-15 a month. Plus, the cable company will charge some sort of infrastructure fee because it costs them money to send content into your home even if it's just one channel, that will probably be $10-15 a month. So, in order to watch any sports whatsoever, you're paying minimum $45 a month. That's pretty much already what basic cable costs and you don't get anything but sports (and you're still not getting NBCSN, BTN, NFLN, MLBN, etc.) and you have to switch over to the antenna to watch sports on over-the-air networks (unless you want to pay $10 a month for the local package).

I think when people try to act like a la carte is a great idea, they think channels will cost $2-3. That's not even in the ballpark of realistic.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22601 on: November 21, 2012, 01:35:25 PM »
A la carte isn't going to happen. It makes no financial sense for anyone, including the consumer. Consumers just need to STFU because they're a bunch of retards that have no idea what they're talking about.

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i'm basically ordering a la carte now w/ Amazon Instant, Netflix, Hulu, ESPN3, thefirstrow.eu.  it's good for me.

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« Reply #22602 on: November 21, 2012, 01:36:56 PM »
A la carte isn't going to happen. It makes no financial sense for anyone, including the consumer. Consumers just need to STFU because they're a bunch of retards that have no idea what they're talking about.

Why?

i'm basically ordering a la carte now w/ Amazon Instant, Netflix, Hulu, ESPN3, thefirstrow.eu.  it's good for me.

Netflix and Hulu are NOT a la carte. They're a bundle that's cheaper than cable.

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« Reply #22603 on: November 21, 2012, 01:42:07 PM »
People that buy advertising aren't as dumb as they are made out to be in the previous posts.

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« Reply #22604 on: November 21, 2012, 02:37:27 PM »
A la carte isn't going to happen. It makes no financial sense for anyone, including the consumer. Consumers just need to STFU because they're a bunch of retards that have no idea what they're talking about.

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all of that money you're getting for carriage rates will go away, and you'll be asking those few Rutgers and Maryland fans (few relative to the state populations) to pay that cash for BTN every month.

That's the main reason it doesn't make sense for the networks.

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People will buy ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU in most of their a la carte packages.  Most folks will purchase access to FSN Kansas City or FSN Midwest because there is overlap with other sports teams they watch (i.e. Royals, Cardinals, Blues, etc.).


And, that's why it doesn't make sense for the consumer. You're not just going to get to pay for ESPN, you'll pay for a bundle of ESPN networks (if not every Disney network). You're ALREADY paying $7-9 a month to have ESPN networks in your home when it's bundled. You take away half or more of those subscribers and ESPN has to charge double. But, the biggest thing is, you're taking away all the advertising revenue of being a 24 hour network in more than 100 million homes. That's what nobody understands, 24 hour advertising is subsidizing the cost of cable. You make money for the networks just by having a channel go into your home whether you ever watch it or not because they can say to advertisers "your commercial can be seen in 100 million homes". That means that if a network's subscribers get cut to 10% (very realistic for even popular networks like AMC), they'll have to charge 10x as much to consumers just to make up carriage costs, but then they'll have to charge much more than that to make up for advertising losses because they're in 1/10 of the homes.

The ESPN networks would cost you $25-30 a month. FSN would cost you $10-15 a month. Plus, the cable company will charge some sort of infrastructure fee because it costs them money to send content into your home even if it's just one channel, that will probably be $10-15 a month. So, in order to watch any sports whatsoever, you're paying minimum $45 a month. That's pretty much already what basic cable costs and you don't get anything but sports (and you're still not getting NBCSN, BTN, NFLN, MLBN, etc.) and you have to switch over to the antenna to watch sports on over-the-air networks (unless you want to pay $10 a month for the local package).

I think when people try to act like a la carte is a great idea, they think channels will cost $2-3. That's not even in the ballpark of realistic.

Basic cable doesn't include ESPN. I would gladly pay $45 per month for sports channels and nothing else. Everything else is garbage, anyway.

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« Reply #22605 on: November 21, 2012, 02:43:00 PM »
Sports channels?  Like ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX?  They will make you bundle/pay for their other crap in order to get ESPN or FOX Sports.  Maybe you don’t get Lifetime anymore but they will price that into whatever you’re going to pay to get everything else.

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« Reply #22606 on: November 21, 2012, 02:45:44 PM »
The music industry will collapse if people can buy single tracks and not have to buy the entire albums.   :runaway:

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« Reply #22607 on: November 21, 2012, 02:55:02 PM »
Like ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX? 

Those are all free, over the air broadcast channels. You don't have to have cable to watch them.

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« Reply #22608 on: November 21, 2012, 03:28:41 PM »
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« Reply #22609 on: November 21, 2012, 03:29:52 PM »
Welp, looks like KU's heading to the Big 10 with our sister school, UNC.  It's been fun, guys. 

http://www.omaha.com/article/20121120/HUSKERS/711209899

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Could the next expansion come soon? Heck, it might happen later this week with the way these things are now playing out in private.

The speculation is rampant — ironic, since Delany said the reason the Big Ten went secret this time after going very public with its search for a 12th member two years ago was the turmoil caused by prolonged rumor-mongering.

That's no comfort to league commissioners and member schools who hear that ACC school North Carolina (where Delany played basketball) and the Big 12's Kansas are high on the list of possible targets.

Is this corner barstool chatter?

Doesn't sound like it. Four BCS conference coaches and administrators I talked to Tuesday said they think the Big Ten is actively hunting for members 15 and 16, and mentioned the Tar Heels and Jayhawks.


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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22610 on: November 21, 2012, 03:31:19 PM »
Sports channels?  Like ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX?  They will make you bundle/pay for their other crap in order to get ESPN or FOX Sports.  Maybe you don’t get Lifetime anymore but they will price that into whatever you’re going to pay to get everything else.

fwiw, those channels have all been free for a long time
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« Reply #22611 on: November 21, 2012, 03:31:47 PM »
Welp, looks like KU's heading to the Big 10 with our sister school, UNC.  It's been fun, guys. 

http://www.omaha.com/article/20121120/HUSKERS/711209899

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Could the next expansion come soon? Heck, it might happen later this week with the way these things are now playing out in private.

The speculation is rampant — ironic, since Delany said the reason the Big Ten went secret this time after going very public with its search for a 12th member two years ago was the turmoil caused by prolonged rumor-mongering.

That's no comfort to league commissioners and member schools who hear that ACC school North Carolina (where Delany played basketball) and the Big 12's Kansas are high on the list of possible targets.

Is this corner barstool chatter?

Doesn't sound like it. Four BCS conference coaches and administrators I talked to Tuesday said they think the Big Ten is actively hunting for members 15 and 16, and mentioned the Tar Heels and Jayhawks.


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Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22612 on: November 21, 2012, 03:31:52 PM »
Welp, looks like KU's heading to the Big 10 with our sister school, UNC.  It's been fun, guys. 

http://www.omaha.com/article/20121120/HUSKERS/711209899

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Could the next expansion come soon? Heck, it might happen later this week with the way these things are now playing out in private.

The speculation is rampant — ironic, since Delany said the reason the Big Ten went secret this time after going very public with its search for a 12th member two years ago was the turmoil caused by prolonged rumor-mongering.

That's no comfort to league commissioners and member schools who hear that ACC school North Carolina (where Delany played basketball) and the Big 12's Kansas are high on the list of possible targets.

Is this corner barstool chatter?

Doesn't sound like it. Four BCS conference coaches and administrators I talked to Tuesday said they think the Big Ten is actively hunting for members 15 and 16, and mentioned the Tar Heels and Jayhawks.


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« Reply #22613 on: November 21, 2012, 03:34:27 PM »
Would be a done deal if Lew was still there.

He's not.

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« Reply #22614 on: November 21, 2012, 03:34:38 PM »
http://www.omaha.com/article/20121120/HUSKERS/711209899

OPTIONS!!

Love how he mentions KU, but then says "Now, it's about TV markets, growing population centers and demographic analytics."

Ya, we have growing demographics in Kansas.


http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets


KC is the 31st largest TV market, and the population is growing.  In fact, KC's growing more than twice as fast as St. Louis. 

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« Reply #22615 on: November 21, 2012, 03:37:58 PM »
I will cancel my cable if KU goes to the Big Ten.

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« Reply #22616 on: November 21, 2012, 03:40:48 PM »
I cant wait for those glorious KU vs Rutgers, KU vs Nebraska, KU vs Northwestern, KU vs Penn St., KU vs Minnesota matchups in basketball.  :crossfingers:

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« Reply #22617 on: November 21, 2012, 03:46:07 PM »
http://www.omaha.com/article/20121120/HUSKERS/711209899

OPTIONS!!

Love how he mentions KU, but then says "Now, it's about TV markets, growing population centers and demographic analytics."

Ya, we have growing demographics in Kansas.


http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets


KC is the 31st largest TV market, and the population is growing.  In fact, KC's growing more than twice as fast as St. Louis.

And KU shares it with 5 other schools.

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« Reply #22618 on: November 21, 2012, 03:48:06 PM »
 And out come the ku fans with the "we have options" banners... :facepalm:
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« Reply #22619 on: November 21, 2012, 03:48:52 PM »
Beems, you're better than believing that garbage.  Come on quit horsing around. 

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« Reply #22620 on: November 21, 2012, 03:53:14 PM »
BeemsLuke strikes again.


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« Reply #22621 on: November 21, 2012, 04:13:47 PM »
Imagine a world...a world where Ducks and Jayhawks collide in an epic struggle for the bowl of roses.

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« Reply #22622 on: November 21, 2012, 04:41:07 PM »
I cant wait for those glorious KU vs Rutgers, KU vs Nebraska, KU vs Northwestern, KU vs Penn St., KU vs Minnesota matchups in basketball.  :crossfingers:


Better than the current matchups vs. TCU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Baylor, etc.  I'd love to be playing Indiana, Michigan St, Ohio St, UNC, Maryland, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, etc, etc. over the crap we have now in the Big 12.

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« Reply #22623 on: November 21, 2012, 04:43:37 PM »
BeemsLuke strikes again.


Sorry I wasn't completely up to date on the past 905 pages worth of info.

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« Reply #22624 on: November 21, 2012, 04:46:22 PM »
I don't want KU to go.   :cry: