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Title: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2019, 10:25:46 AM
Does this championship change anything for you?  For me it does.

I feel compelled to "accept" oscar now.  I do not like oscar, and I suspect that I never will.  However, winning a conference title with his own players is obvious evidence that he can coach.  No reasonable person can question that. 

However, it's an entertainment business first.  oscar doesn't entertain me, so I doubt I'll spend any money on KSU basketball.  I dropped a fortune on the cult of Huggins and Frank....loved them.  Still do love them, and continue to wish they had never left.  Over the last 6 years or so I found other stuff to do instead of college basketball, so I definitely don't feel like I am "harmed" by oscar being the KSU basketball coach.  If anything, it's really saved me a lot of time and money.

So, I guess you could say that this championship changes a great deal for me, and yet nothing.  Go Cats!
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2019, 10:55:14 AM
At least as to Thursday and Saturday, the seedings and corresponding game times work relatively well for some moving I have to do that a squawk is helping me with.  That had been a concern, so good job there oscar.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: brandochav on March 10, 2019, 10:57:05 AM
Who goes to the game or tunes in to watch the coach? Also, only desperate programs buy gear for the coach anyway; it gives them hope. We're not that program anymore...it's time to move on.

Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2019, 11:00:29 AM
And just how many "Dang" t shirts have our rough ridin' hayseed fans purchased this offseason?
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: brandochav on March 10, 2019, 11:01:18 AM
And just how many "Dang" t shirts have our rough ridin' hayseed fans purchased this offseason?
You're proving my point...

Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Brock Landers on March 10, 2019, 11:03:05 AM
It's not the coach's job to entertain you, it's the team's job.  They do that by winning lots of games and large candy bowl shaped trophies.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 10, 2019, 11:05:45 AM
Not one bit.

Once it was clear oscar was going to get his shot to rebuild this program after the Foster mess, I decided that hating him wasn't worth it. K-State basketball has given me a ton of good times in the time since and continues to do so. I thoroughly enjoyed watching us clinch a championship with my youngest son last night as he wore his custom made "Diarra Pickles" t shirt (his idea). I'm looking forward to spending a good part of next week in KC watching the Cats and hopefully another run to break a long drought for K-State basketball.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on March 10, 2019, 11:07:24 AM
it doesn't hurt me to change my mind and to allow myself to enjoy things that i didn't always. i think it's really weird that people can't do this for oscar.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: brandochav on March 10, 2019, 11:07:50 AM
Not one bit.

Once it was clear oscar was going to get his shot to rebuild this program after the Foster mess, I decided that hating him wasn't worth it. K-State basketball has given me a ton of good times in the time since and continues to do so. I thoroughly enjoyed watching us clinch a championship with my youngest son last night as he wore his custom made "Diarra Pickles" t shirt (his idea). I'm looking forward to spending a good part of next week in KC watching the Cats and hopefully another run to break a long drought for K-State basketball.
I want this shirt

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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2019, 11:10:18 AM
Any of you guys going to buy season tickets next year to support this championship team?
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2019, 11:11:33 AM
it doesn't hurt me to change my mind and to allow myself to enjoy things that i didn't always. i think it's really weird that people can't do this for oscar.

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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2019, 11:13:12 AM
Does this championship change anything for you?  For me it does.

I feel compelled to "accept" oscar now.  I do not like oscar, and I suspect that I never will.  However, winning a conference title with his own players is obvious evidence that he can coach.  No reasonable person can question that. 

However, it's an entertainment business first.  oscar doesn't entertain me, so I doubt I'll spend any money on KSU basketball.  I dropped a fortune on the cult of Huggins and Frank....loved them.  Still do love them, and continue to wish they had never left.  Over the last 6 years or so I found other stuff to do instead of college basketball, so I definitely don't feel like I am "harmed" by oscar being the KSU basketball coach.  If anything, it's really saved me a lot of time and money.

So, I guess you could say that this championship changes a great deal for me, and yet nothing.  Go Cats!

this encapsulates my views perfectly.  Thank you Pete.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: brandochav on March 10, 2019, 11:13:28 AM
Any of you guys going to buy season tickets next year to support this championship team?
Going to the tourney and will attend more games next year than this one, keeping the trend going. Live out of state so can't do season or you bet your ass I would!

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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: brandochav on March 10, 2019, 11:14:44 AM
Does this championship change anything for you?  For me it does.

I feel compelled to "accept" oscar now.  I do not like oscar, and I suspect that I never will.  However, winning a conference title with his own players is obvious evidence that he can coach.  No reasonable person can question that. 

However, it's an entertainment business first.  oscar doesn't entertain me, so I doubt I'll spend any money on KSU basketball.  I dropped a fortune on the cult of Huggins and Frank....loved them.  Still do love them, and continue to wish they had never left.  Over the last 6 years or so I found other stuff to do instead of college basketball, so I definitely don't feel like I am "harmed" by oscar being the KSU basketball coach.  If anything, it's really saved me a lot of time and money.

So, I guess you could say that this championship changes a great deal for me, and yet nothing.  Go Cats!

this encapsulates my views perfectly.  Thank you Pete.
Great addition. Echo chambers are needed for validating weak viewpoints.

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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 10, 2019, 11:15:30 AM
I went from hating Oscar to tolerating him, but I'll turn on him with the first three-game losing streak or early torn-a-ment exit..
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2019, 11:16:50 AM
Does this championship change anything for you?  For me it does.

I feel compelled to "accept" oscar now.  I do not like oscar, and I suspect that I never will.  However, winning a conference title with his own players is obvious evidence that he can coach.  No reasonable person can question that. 

However, it's an entertainment business first.  oscar doesn't entertain me, so I doubt I'll spend any money on KSU basketball.  I dropped a fortune on the cult of Huggins and Frank....loved them.  Still do love them, and continue to wish they had never left.  Over the last 6 years or so I found other stuff to do instead of college basketball, so I definitely don't feel like I am "harmed" by oscar being the KSU basketball coach.  If anything, it's really saved me a lot of time and money.

So, I guess you could say that this championship changes a great deal for me, and yet nothing.  Go Cats!

this encapsulates my views perfectly.  Thank you Pete.
Great addition. Echo chambers are needed for validating weak viewpoints.

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no reason to come in here and be nasty to fellow champions
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: nicname on March 10, 2019, 11:17:56 AM
What fan said.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2019, 11:18:27 AM
Does this championship change anything for you?  For me it does.

I feel compelled to "accept" oscar now.  I do not like oscar, and I suspect that I never will.  However, winning a conference title with his own players is obvious evidence that he can coach.  No reasonable person can question that. 

However, it's an entertainment business first.  oscar doesn't entertain me, so I doubt I'll spend any money on KSU basketball.  I dropped a fortune on the cult of Huggins and Frank....loved them.  Still do love them, and continue to wish they had never left.  Over the last 6 years or so I found other stuff to do instead of college basketball, so I definitely don't feel like I am "harmed" by oscar being the KSU basketball coach.  If anything, it's really saved me a lot of time and money.

So, I guess you could say that this championship changes a great deal for me, and yet nothing.  Go Cats!

this encapsulates my views perfectly.  Thank you Pete.
Great addition. Echo chambers are needed for validating weak viewpoints.

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What do you mean by weak view point?  Let me ask you something, do you hate people who do not like your favorite kind of ice cream?  Be honest.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: brandochav on March 10, 2019, 11:23:53 AM
Does this championship change anything for you?  For me it does.

I feel compelled to "accept" oscar now.  I do not like oscar, and I suspect that I never will.  However, winning a conference title with his own players is obvious evidence that he can coach.  No reasonable person can question that. 

However, it's an entertainment business first.  oscar doesn't entertain me, so I doubt I'll spend any money on KSU basketball.  I dropped a fortune on the cult of Huggins and Frank....loved them.  Still do love them, and continue to wish they had never left.  Over the last 6 years or so I found other stuff to do instead of college basketball, so I definitely don't feel like I am "harmed" by oscar being the KSU basketball coach.  If anything, it's really saved me a lot of time and money.

So, I guess you could say that this championship changes a great deal for me, and yet nothing.  Go Cats!

this encapsulates my views perfectly.  Thank you Pete.
Great addition. Echo chambers are needed for validating weak viewpoints.

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What do you mean by weak view point?  Let me ask you something, do you hate people who do not like your favorite kind of ice cream?  Be honest.
That's an opinion, of course not. BUT, like with flat earthers, I can't stand people who ignore facts or, like with political pundits, people who obfuscate to push an agenda. We're winning with oscar more than we ever had in modern memory, and have watched him develop 3 Top-10 players in K-State history. You don't dislike him because he's bad for a basketball program, you dislike him because of how he looks and how he talks and it rubs your insecurities the wrong way.

Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2019, 11:26:15 AM
Great addition. Echo chambers are needed for validating weak viewpoints.

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What do you mean by weak view point?  Let me ask you something, do you hate people who do not like your favorite kind of ice cream?  Be honest.
That's an opinion, of course not. BUT, like flat earthers, I can't stand people who ignore facts or, like political pundits, people who obfuscate to push an agenda. We're winning with oscar more than we ever had in modern memory, and have watched him develop 3 Top-10 players in K-State history. You don't dislike him because he's bad for a basketball program, you dislike him because of how he looks and how he talks and it rubs your insecurities the wrong way.

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What about the people who don't like your favorite eminem gifs?
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
is there a non-favorite eminem gif?
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: libstradamus on March 10, 2019, 11:30:04 AM
I'm happy for ksu cats and the fans of the basketball team but agree with Pete. I've checked out and I don't see myself coming back. I watched around 5 halves of the cats this season and just did not enjoy the play. Some of it is just college basketball in general being stopped every possession for some questionable foul.

Will watch all tourney games tho  :)
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: HerrSonntag on March 10, 2019, 11:31:33 AM
fwiw i don't like how he looks or how he talks and it rubs my insecurities the wrong way (whatever that means) but i've kind of resigned myself to thinking of him as a lovable dork be cause his teams are always tots adorbs and they win basketball games
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2019, 11:32:09 AM
I'm happy for ksu cats and the fans of the basketball team but agree with Pete. I've checked out and I don't see myself coming back. I watched around 5 halves of the cats this season and just did not enjoy the play. Some of it is just college basketball in general being stopped every possession for some questionable foul.

Will watch all tourney games tho  :)

I do think the past 4 games have been much more entertaining than early this year.  That was unwatchable
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2019, 11:33:17 AM
I'm happy for ksu cats and the fans of the basketball team but agree with Pete. I've checked out and I don't see myself coming back. I watched around 5 halves of the cats this season and just did not enjoy the play. Some of it is just college basketball in general being stopped every possession for some questionable foul.

Will watch all tourney games tho  :)

I think I'll watch the tourney games too!  I am not going to duck out of work to watch them, or stay up super late, but that's not because I hate oscar's stupid face and voice and gestures and stuff.  I am just kinda busy, and get tired.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: chum1 on March 10, 2019, 11:35:41 AM
I feel more validated than ever for going against the grain here and thinking oscar was a good hire.  :cool:
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2019, 11:35:52 AM
fwiw i don't like how he looks or how he talks and it rubs my insecurities the wrong way (whatever that means) but i've kind of resigned myself to thinking of him as a lovable dork be cause his teams are always tots adorbs and they win basketball games

Yeah, I agree.  He may well grow on me now that I have made a decision to attempt to accept him.  For now tho, he's still just a dork that I'd care to not watch.  We'll see, things could change. 
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2019, 11:36:28 AM
I feel more validated than ever for going against the grain here and thinking oscar was a good hire.  :cool:

You totally should!  Like I said, any reasonable person must admit he's very good at coaching basketball.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: brandochav on March 10, 2019, 11:36:55 AM
Great addition. Echo chambers are needed for validating weak viewpoints.

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What do you mean by weak view point?  Let me ask you something, do you hate people who do not like your favorite kind of ice cream?  Be honest.
That's an opinion, of course not. BUT, like flat earthers, I can't stand people who ignore facts or, like political pundits, people who obfuscate to push an agenda. We're winning with oscar more than we ever had in modern memory, and have watched him develop 3 Top-10 players in K-State history. You don't dislike him because he's bad for a basketball program, you dislike him because of how he looks and how he talks and it rubs your insecurities the wrong way.

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What about the people who don't like your favorite eminem gifs?
Lol, they're just old in mentality and I like to point that out...dont dislike them. I also find it funny that you can dish it but not take it...
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Trim on March 10, 2019, 11:40:03 AM
Great addition. Echo chambers are needed for validating weak viewpoints.

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What do you mean by weak view point?  Let me ask you something, do you hate people who do not like your favorite kind of ice cream?  Be honest.
That's an opinion, of course not. BUT, like flat earthers, I can't stand people who ignore facts or, like political pundits, people who obfuscate to push an agenda. We're winning with oscar more than we ever had in modern memory, and have watched him develop 3 Top-10 players in K-State history. You don't dislike him because he's bad for a basketball program, you dislike him because of how he looks and how he talks and it rubs your insecurities the wrong way.

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What about the people who don't like your favorite eminem gifs?
Lol, they're just old in mentality and I like to point that out...dont dislike them.

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You're going to have to make one now that shows tech as icp to help clear up the now additional confusion about which champion is which and corresponds to which 2000s white trash rappers.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: brandochav on March 10, 2019, 11:41:17 AM
Great addition. Echo chambers are needed for validating weak viewpoints.

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What do you mean by weak view point?  Let me ask you something, do you hate people who do not like your favorite kind of ice cream?  Be honest.
That's an opinion, of course not. BUT, like flat earthers, I can't stand people who ignore facts or, like political pundits, people who obfuscate to push an agenda. We're winning with oscar more than we ever had in modern memory, and have watched him develop 3 Top-10 players in K-State history. You don't dislike him because he's bad for a basketball program, you dislike him because of how he looks and how he talks and it rubs your insecurities the wrong way.

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What about the people who don't like your favorite eminem gifs?
Lol, they're just old in mentality and I like to point that out...dont dislike them.

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You're going to have to make one now that shows tech as icp to help clear up the now additional confusion about which champion is which and corresponds to which 2000s white trash rappers.
I'm not u/everymanawildcat, but I wish I was.

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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: deputy dawg on March 10, 2019, 11:42:17 AM
I feel more validated than ever for going against the grain here and thinking oscar was a good hire.  :cool:

This KC Star article was an eye-opener:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/craziness-brawl-crab-legs-buffet-restaurant-caught-video-123706232.html
1.  Vindicates Currie for Oscar hire
2.  Oscar has more wins since Frank's departure than Frank has had
3.  Ignores that Oscar inherited Frank's talented recruits, Frank inherited a dumpster fire
4.  Makes note that Currie didn't get along with LHCBS
5. Fails to mention the Schiano hiring debacle and the persistent hatred of Currie at TN

Robinett did a fair job on this.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2019, 11:48:03 AM
imagine thinking people that don't like gifs of 20 year past rap stars as "olds".  Eminem is right in the olds wheelhouse.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2019, 11:48:32 AM
Not one bit.

Once it was clear oscar was going to get his shot to rebuild this program after the Foster mess, I decided that hating him wasn't worth it. K-State basketball has given me a ton of good times in the time since and continues to do so. I thoroughly enjoyed watching us clinch a championship with my youngest son last night as he wore his custom made "Diarra Pickles" t shirt (his idea). I'm looking forward to spending a good part of next week in KC watching the Cats and hopefully another run to break a long drought for K-State basketball.

I really respect this, because in a way, it's the same thing for me.  No one in my household likes K-State basketball, so me deciding to not participate in it has freed up a bunch of time I would have otherwise not spent with my family.  Totally at peace with it....like it was "meant to be."  Here it was that oscar came along right at a time in my life when it was best for me to spend my time in other ways....rough ridin' perfect for me, actually.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
TBT and I were jamming to Pullen highlight videos last night on plug.  I think that says it perfectly my feeling for this team.  Excited enough to get on here Saturday night and celebrate a bball thing but still not over the jake era.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: brandochav on March 10, 2019, 11:52:17 AM
imagine thinking people that don't like gifs of 20 year past rap stars as "olds".  Eminem is right in the olds wheelhouse.
Proves my point....woosh

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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
imagine thinking people that don't like gifs of 20 year past rap stars as "olds".  Eminem is right in the olds wheelhouse.
Proves my point....woosh

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i don't think you know what your point is but you do you, we're all champions today so  :cheers:
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: #LIFE on March 10, 2019, 11:54:01 AM
I still hold out hope after every game I'll read a story about how the fuckface piece of crap who ignores his players out killing people got ran over while he was out on the court and hit his head and died
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2019, 12:00:56 PM
I still hold out hope after every game I'll read a story about how the fuckface piece of crap who ignores his players out killing people got ran over while he was out on the court and hit his head and died

No one can question your commitment, #LIFE.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: DaBigTrain on March 10, 2019, 12:04:07 PM
This championship has changed my outlook.  Maybe not changed, but I really enjoyed the feeling of watching confetti fly around in the Bram.  I think we should do this for the last game every year.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2019, 12:05:11 PM
This championship has changed my outlook.  Maybe not changed, but I really enjoyed the feeling of watching confetti fly around in the Bram.  I think we should do this for the last game every year.

should be done for graduation too.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: BostonPancake on March 10, 2019, 12:27:21 PM
For me I dont think it has.  I’m a fan....I’ll love a coach if they’re  winning and hate them if they’re losing.  In the end I still enjoy going to MBBALL games and will continue to do so.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 10, 2019, 12:35:41 PM
There's been a lot of douchey hayseeds on this site who can't enjoy this moment right now because they're 1. Too into themselves 2. Can't get over Frank Martin. I really feel sad for them. What a time to be alive. Break the streak and win the title in the same year. Too bad some of you guys are missing out on this party because you want to stay true to yourself
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Cool Hand Luke on March 10, 2019, 01:02:35 PM
When he goes 16-15 (7-11) next season it'll turn again.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Skipper44 on March 10, 2019, 01:54:00 PM
When he goes 16-15 (7-11) next season it'll turn again.
oscar has learned to put scheduling as his first priority so it will be 18-13 (7-11) which is the right side of the bubble this year.

As a oscar hater I have to admit he has found at least one above Big 12 average perimeter player in every class since the “reset” (I like what I see from SNW). I won’t be surprised if Sneed and Cartier drag next years team to a 8 or 9 seed.  The real key to this run is Brown stepping up to be the leader they wanted Wade to be and Wade thriving as the 2nd banana. 
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: catastrophe on March 10, 2019, 02:17:47 PM
Not a whole lot for me.  There has never been much about oscar I particularly liked, but I've enjoyed the teams he has put together (minus our struggle to have 2 solid bigs in any one season).  We had a good team coming back with a lot of experience this year and won a Big 12 championship in a year that KU was hampered by injury and the adidas stuff.  That should be the expectation if you have a good coach.  I don't think anyone can argue at this point that oscar is a good coach.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: EMAWican on March 10, 2019, 02:36:30 PM
So there's a lot of folks on this blog that would prefer a KSU basketball team with less accomplishments as long as the coach was more likeable/entertaining.

And prefer living in the past or thinking pessimistically about the future instead of just living in the moment.

What a bunch of hayseeds.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 10, 2019, 02:46:39 PM
I like oscar and I'll like him more if he can prove that he can do this kind of thing more than once every 4-6 years.    That starts with recruiting, but by the sounds of it, the current class is above average for oscar, so we'll see.

Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Phil Titola on March 10, 2019, 03:38:20 PM
So there's a lot of folks on this blog that would prefer a KSU basketball team with less accomplishments as long as the coach was more likeable/entertaining.

And prefer living in the past or thinking pessimistically about the future instead of just living in the moment.

What a bunch of hayseeds.

I don't think you know what the term hayseeds means tbh
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: wetwillie on March 10, 2019, 03:56:24 PM
If I’m being honest I’d prefer to have someone with a higher upside like Kelvin Sampson but I want us to cheat our asses off so I lean that way.   I don’t care if a coach does things “the right way” but he somehow got it done so kudos to him.  Hopefully we can get one more elite season out of him and send him off into the sunset.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: cat97 on March 10, 2019, 04:19:34 PM
Impressed with this thread.
Posters who don't like to watch basketball explaining how they do not watch KSU basketball win a championship. 

For those of you bragging about not watching..  A few things you missed seeing this year.
Two all Big 12 players.
Big 12 defensive player of the year.
Beating KU in front of a packed house.
Finishing first in the league with KU in third.
Full and packed Bramlage celebrating KSU wining the Big 12 championship at home for the first time since 1977.
The most mentally and physically tough KSU team I have seen in 30 years or so.  (Ask OU how it felt to get abused yesterday)

Now we go for the Big 12 tournament and an NCAA run.  (Probably need another thread for you to brag about missing that too)

Regarding next year,
Diarra, McGuirl, SNW, Mak, Trice, Sneed plus other big men that may already be on the team or might not.

4 new recruits including the Chicago Sun Times city player of the year, another guy who might be player of the year in Houston, a 6ft 9 guy from Lawton OK averaging 26 points and 12 rebounds a game with four games this year over 40 points. 

Get your "I don't care and I don't watch thread ready."  All the the basketball fans on this forum will be impressed.

Also, Bramlage was overflowing yesterday with basketball fans who liked what they were seeing including a packed student section who were on Spring break. 
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Post by: Trim on March 10, 2019, 04:27:39 PM
Opportunity cost.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 10, 2019, 06:18:26 PM
Impressed with this thread.
Posters who don't like to watch basketball explaining how they do not watch KSU basketball win a championship. 

For those of you bragging about not watching..  A few things you missed seeing this year.
Two all Big 12 players.
Big 12 defensive player of the year.
Beating KU in front of a packed house.
Finishing first in the league with KU in third.
Full and packed Bramlage celebrating KSU wining the Big 12 championship at home for the first time since 1977.
The most mentally and physically tough KSU team I have seen in 30 years or so.  (Ask OU how it felt to get abused yesterday)

Now we go for the Big 12 tournament and an NCAA run.  (Probably need another thread for you to brag about missing that too)

Regarding next year,
Diarra, McGuirl, SNW, Mak, Trice, Sneed plus other big men that may already be on the team or might not.

4 new recruits including the Chicago Sun Times city player of the year, another guy who might be player of the year in Houston, a 6ft 9 guy from Lawton OK averaging 26 points and 12 rebounds a game with four games this year over 40 points. 

Get your "I don't care and I don't watch thread ready."  All the the basketball fans on this forum will be impressed.

Also, Bramlage was overflowing yesterday with basketball fans who liked what they were seeing including a packed student section who were on Spring break.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: treysolid on March 10, 2019, 06:41:43 PM
Next year IS going to be rough. Just how rough is going to depend on how well Sneed accepts the mantle that this is "his team" and how much incremental improvement everyone else provides. That said, I think 18 wins is the ceiling. I guess there's always the possibility that Murphy or Gordon comes in and dominates right off the bat, but those types of performances are pretty rare for a oscar recruit.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on March 10, 2019, 06:49:31 PM
I feel more validated than ever for going against the grain here and thinking oscar was a good hire.  :cool:

This KC Star article was an eye-opener:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/craziness-brawl-crab-legs-buffet-restaurant-caught-video-123706232.html
1.  Vindicates Currie for Oscar hire
2.  Oscar has more wins since Frank's departure than Frank has had
3.  Ignores that Oscar inherited Frank's talented recruits, Frank inherited a dumpster fire
4.  Makes note that Currie didn't get along with LHCBS
5. Fails to mention the Schiano hiring debacle and the persistent hatred of Currie at TN

Robinett did a fair job on this.
very informative article by the star
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 10, 2019, 06:51:58 PM
I feel more validated than ever for going against the grain here and thinking oscar was a good hire.  :cool:

This KC Star article was an eye-opener:
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/craziness-brawl-crab-legs-buffet-restaurant-caught-video-123706232.html
1.  Vindicates Currie for Oscar hire
2.  Oscar has more wins since Frank's departure than Frank has had
3.  Ignores that Oscar inherited Frank's talented recruits, Frank inherited a dumpster fire
4.  Makes note that Currie didn't get along with LHCBS
5. Fails to mention the Schiano hiring debacle and the persistent hatred of Currie at TN

Robinett did a fair job on this.
very informative article by the star
Times are tough in Queens
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 10, 2019, 07:04:10 PM
So there's a lot of folks on this blog that would prefer a KSU basketball team with less accomplishments as long as the coach was more likeable/entertaining.

And prefer living in the past or thinking pessimistically about the future instead of just living in the moment.

What a bunch of hayseeds.
Facts
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 10, 2019, 07:06:03 PM
Next year IS going to be rough. Just how rough is going to depend on how well Sneed accepts the mantle that this is "his team" and how much incremental improvement everyone else provides. That said, I think 18 wins is the ceiling. I guess there's always the possibility that Murphy or Gordon comes in and dominates right off the bat, but those types of performances are pretty rare for a oscar recruit.
We’ll be a bubble team. Not concerned.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: williamthewildcat on March 10, 2019, 07:34:22 PM
Not going to lie.

Still sit in disbelief that we lost as a 3 seed in Kemper to LaSalle. Watching BW stand with arms crossed as Angel drove into the corner really soured me on him. That's been difficult for me to let go.

But, last years run kinda settled me. Of course, some incredible things happened. But the most incredible was BB taking it to the hole to beat Kentucky. Was bitterly disappointed that we were shot from the sky by Loyola.

This season started hot, then a misfire here and there. Oil leaked a little, but not enough to blow the engine. But again, the comeback win vs WVU showed me this team could be different. And they were.

To see them cut down the nets after watching a total dismantling of OU was surreal. To do it against my boyhood idol, Lon Kruger, was even better.

He's our goofy coach. And he deserves a pat on the back and my support.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 10, 2019, 07:39:44 PM
Oscky has proven himself to be winnerey
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Pete on March 10, 2019, 08:18:33 PM
Impressed with this thread.
Posters who don't like to watch basketball explaining how they do not watch KSU basketball win a championship. 

For those of you bragging about not watching..  A few things you missed seeing this year.
Two all Big 12 players.
Big 12 defensive player of the year.
Beating KU in front of a packed house.
Finishing first in the league with KU in third.
Full and packed Bramlage celebrating KSU wining the Big 12 championship at home for the first time since 1977.
The most mentally and physically tough KSU team I have seen in 30 years or so.  (Ask OU how it felt to get abused yesterday)

Now we go for the Big 12 tournament and an NCAA run.  (Probably need another thread for you to brag about missing that too)

Regarding next year,
Diarra, McGuirl, SNW, Mak, Trice, Sneed plus other big men that may already be on the team or might not.

4 new recruits including the Chicago Sun Times city player of the year, another guy who might be player of the year in Houston, a 6ft 9 guy from Lawton OK averaging 26 points and 12 rebounds a game with four games this year over 40 points. 

Get your "I don't care and I don't watch thread ready."  All the the basketball fans on this forum will be impressed.

Also, Bramlage was overflowing yesterday with basketball fans who liked what they were seeing including a packed student section who were on Spring break.

Now that's zeal!

Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: KSURFC8 on March 11, 2019, 10:52:16 AM
I'll be satisfied (which shouldn't mean anything to anyone else) when we've stopped being the "surprise" team of the year, picked to finish middle-of-the-pack in the Big XII and go into a year with the actual expectation as being either the team to beat or one of the teams to beat.

That goes for football as well.

To that end, I don't care who the coach is, what he looks like or what his/her demeanor is (almost). If they can get us past the conference championship once a generation is good enough for me/us mentality, then I like them.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: WildcatNkilt on March 11, 2019, 10:56:50 AM
I'll be satisfied (which shouldn't mean anything to anyone else) when we've stopped being the "surprise" team of the year, picked to finish middle-of-the-pack in the Big XII and go into a year with the actual expectation as being either the team to beat or one of the teams to beat.

That goes for football as well.

To that end, I don't care who the coach is, what he looks like or what his/her demeanor is (almost). If they can get us past the conference championship once a generation is good enough for me/us mentality, then I like them.

Weren't we picked to finish 2nd in the Big 12?  Doesn't seem middle-of-pack to me. 
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: catastrophe on March 11, 2019, 10:58:22 AM
I’ve noticed a common thread among the oscar naysayers is they don’t watch basketball or even generally pay attention to what is going on in Big 12 hoops.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: KSURFC8 on March 11, 2019, 11:30:16 AM
I'll be satisfied (which shouldn't mean anything to anyone else) when we've stopped being the "surprise" team of the year, picked to finish middle-of-the-pack in the Big XII and go into a year with the actual expectation as being either the team to beat or one of the teams to beat.

That goes for football as well.

To that end, I don't care who the coach is, what he looks like or what his/her demeanor is (almost). If they can get us past the conference championship once a generation is good enough for me/us mentality, then I like them.

A single year does not define consistency.

That other school down the road from us goes into each season in the discussion concerning whether or not they can win another NC. Similar to OU in football. Conference championships, particularly in MBB, are nice (not to me but to the national media) but the prize is the NC.

We should, and I believe can, be at that level.

A conference championship once in pretty much a generation is not really where I think we can be.

Weren't we picked to finish 2nd in the Big 12?  Doesn't seem middle-of-pack to me.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 11, 2019, 11:45:24 AM
Does this championship change anything for you?  For me it does.

I feel compelled to "accept" oscar now.  I do not like oscar, and I suspect that I never will.  However, winning a conference title with his own players is obvious evidence that he can coach.  No reasonable person can question that. 

However, it's an entertainment business first.  oscar doesn't entertain me, so I doubt I'll spend any money on KSU basketball.  I dropped a fortune on the cult of Huggins and Frank....loved them.  Still do love them, and continue to wish they had never left.  Over the last 6 years or so I found other stuff to do instead of college basketball, so I definitely don't feel like I am "harmed" by oscar being the KSU basketball coach.  If anything, it's really saved me a lot of time and money.

So, I guess you could say that this championship changes a great deal for me, and yet nothing.  Go Cats!

pretty much spot on for my feelings.   Hope some nice guys emerge from the team though for next year, I need some kids to cheer for like I have for the seniors.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 11, 2019, 11:50:02 AM
Not going to lie.

Still sit in disbelief that we lost as a 3 seed in Kemper to LaSalle. Watching BW stand with arms crossed as Angel drove into the corner really soured me on him. That's been difficult for me to let go.



goddammit, I had just gotten this image out of my mind.    Now it's back.   
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: meow meow on March 11, 2019, 11:56:54 AM
wait, people actually think that game was in Kemper?
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Mikeyis4dcats on March 11, 2019, 12:54:34 PM
wait, people actually think that game was in Kemper?

LOL, missed that part.   It's as as when I blocked out the Bish loss in the Enterprise Center in 1998.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: cat97 on March 11, 2019, 06:56:33 PM
 :Chirp:
I'll be satisfied (which shouldn't mean anything to anyone else) when we've stopped being the "surprise" team of the year, picked to finish middle-of-the-pack in the Big XII and go into a year with the actual expectation as being either the team to beat or one of the teams to beat.

That goes for football as well.

To that end, I don't care who the coach is, what he looks like or what his/her demeanor is (almost). If they can get us past the conference championship once a generation is good enough for me/us mentality, then I like them.
Quess you are saying that you are satisfied with our basketball program since thats exactly what we did this year.  Good for you.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: williamthewildcat on March 12, 2019, 12:58:21 AM
wait, people actually think that game was in Kemper?

Cannot believe I actually typed that. I was at the sprint center. Watching it all happen in front of me.

 :)


Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Cire on March 12, 2019, 01:14:52 AM
What if we get bounced on the first or second round?

Sweet 16 or bust


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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: catastrophe on March 12, 2019, 01:17:02 AM
Not making the Sweet 16 would be quite a let down, but as long as we win our first game it’s still an improvement over our last championship season.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Cire on March 12, 2019, 01:17:12 AM
Lasalle in kc was awful

I don't like oscar.

I do think he's done a great job since losing foster.


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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 03:33:58 AM
TBT and I were jamming to Pullen highlight videos last night on plug.  I think that says it perfectly my feeling for this team.  Excited enough to get on here Saturday night and celebrate a bball thing but still not over the jake era.

These things aren't one and the same. I love The Flush, yet Jake is my favorite cat O.A.T. I can acknowledge this and still observe that Mitch Richmond is probably the best player in the history of this program.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 03:40:51 AM
I like oscar and I'll like him more if he can prove that he can do this kind of thing more than once every 4-6 years.    That starts with recruiting, but by the sounds of it, the current class is above average for oscar, so we'll see.

What's "this kind of thing?" Winning the conference? That's an incredibly high standard given since he's gotten to K-State he has the same amount of conference titles as Coach K, Boeheim, and Izzo COMBINED.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 03:46:44 AM
If I’m being honest I’d prefer to have someone with a higher upside like Kelvin Sampson but I want us to cheat our asses off so I lean that way.   I don’t care if a coach does things “the right way” but he somehow got it done so kudos to him.  Hopefully we can get one more elite season out of him and send him off into the sunset.

I don't know about that higher upside. I liked Kelvin for here when I thought oscar was going to get fired, but in 26 years of coaching at Washington State, Oklahoma, Indiana, and Houston he has two conference championships, one final four and one elite 8. That's pretty thin for that many years at major programs. I think you'd be real hard pressed to find a thinner resume for someone with that many years.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 03:54:42 AM
Next year IS going to be rough. Just how rough is going to depend on how well Sneed accepts the mantle that this is "his team" and how much incremental improvement everyone else provides. That said, I think 18 wins is the ceiling. I guess there's always the possibility that Murphy or Gordon comes in and dominates right off the bat, but those types of performances are pretty rare for a oscar recruit.

Nah, it can't be Sneed's team, he isn't that type of player. If he's clearly the best player on the team, it's going to be a very long season. Carti, SNY, and Mike have to be the best players they'll always have the ball. I'm glad you mentioned Gordon, if he plays a big role we might be scary. Look at this list, it's amazing.

CHICAGO SUN-TIMES PLAYERS OF THE YEAR
2019—DaJuan Gordon, Curie
2018—Talen Horton-Tucker, Simeon
2017—Alonzo Verge, Thornton
2016—Charlie Moore, Morgan Park
2015—Jalen Brunson, Stevenson
2014—Cliff Alexander, Curie
2013—Jahlil Okafor, Young
2012—Jabari Parker, Simeon
2011—Wayne Blackshear, Morgan Park
2010—Jereme Richmond, Waukegan
2009—Jereme Richmond, Waukegan
2008—Kevin Dillard, Homewood-Flossmoor
2007—Derrick Rose, Simeon
2006—Jon Scheyer, Glenbrook North
2005—DeAndre Thomas, Westinghouse
2004–Calvin Brock, Simeon
2003—Shannon Brown, Proviso East
2002—Sean Dockery, Julian
2001—Eddy Curry, Thornwood
2000—Cedrick Banks, Westinghouse
1999—Leon Smith, King
1998—Quentin Richardson, Young
1997—Melvin Ely, Thornton
1996—Ronnie Fields, Farragut
1995—Kevin Garnett, Farragut
1994—Jerry Gee, St. Martin de Porres
1993—Rashard Griffith, King
1992—Chris Collins, Glenbrook North
1991—Sherell Ford, Proviso East
1990—Jamie Brandon, King
1989—Deon Thomas, Simeon
1988—Eric Anderson, de Sales
1987—Marcus Liberty, King
1986—Nick Anderson, Simeon
1985—Michael Ingram, Proviso West
1984—Hersey Hawkins, Westinghouse
1983—Len Bertolini, St. Patrick
1982—Bernard Jackson, Phillips
1981—Walter Downing, Providence
1980—Glenn Rivers, Proviso East
1979—Isiah Thomas, St. Joseph
1978—Mark Aguirre, Westinghouse
1977—Eddie Johnson, Westinghouse
1976—Glen Grunwald, East Leyden
1975—Pete Boesen, Maine South
1974—Audie Matthews, Bloom
1973—Mark Vitali, St. Charles
1972—Quinn Buckner, Thornridge
1971—Quinn Buckner, Thornridge
1970—Lloyd Batts, Thornton
1969—Jim Brewer, Proviso East
1968—Jeff Hickman, Lockport
1967—Rick Howat, Downers Grove
1966—Rich Bradshaw, Marshall
1965—Terry Hurley, Steinmetz
1964—Eugene Ford, Crane
1963—Joe Allen, Carver
1962—Cazzie Russell, Carver
1961—Bob Caress, Thornton
1960—George Wilson, Marshall
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 03:58:34 AM
What if we get bounced on the first or second round?

Sweet 16 or bust


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Won't care and it won't matter either way as far as public opinion goes. People happy with oscar and the program have already been properly satiated. People unhappy with him will complain if we lose by 2 to a Zion Williamson led Duke team in the elite 8, just like some bitched last year.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: stunted on March 12, 2019, 05:11:40 AM
next year i'll be happy if we get close to the ncaa, and the year after as well. don't think cartier and mcguirl can take us that far, we need multiple guys to step up, and not sure anyone currently on the roster can. snw might be decent. i've given up on the bigs.

our 4 freshman look good though, nice core for the future, though still a little underwhelming. hopefully another good run and oscar can start closing the super studs.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: wetwillie on March 12, 2019, 06:43:13 AM
The 19-20 cats will basically be a JYC team. Trice, X, Carti will demolish the offensive glass.  I don’t know if SNW can be even a poor mans angel/denis but that would be amazing.

Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 04:45:00 PM
The 19-20 cats will basically be a JYC team. Trice, X, Carti will demolish the offensive glass.  I don’t know if SNW can be even a poor mans angel/denis but that would be amazing.

I don't think so, I'm going to go with a rich man's Clent Stewart as his ceiling.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: wetwillie on March 12, 2019, 04:50:28 PM
Honestly I’ll take that.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Kat Kid on March 12, 2019, 04:57:56 PM
TBT and I were jamming to Pullen highlight videos last night on plug.  I think that says it perfectly my feeling for this team.  Excited enough to get on here Saturday night and celebrate a bball thing but still not over the jake era.

These things aren't one and the same. I love The Flush, yet Jake is my favorite cat O.A.T. I can acknowledge this and still observe that Mitch Richmond is probably the best player in the history of this program.

100% agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Kat Kid on March 12, 2019, 05:30:44 PM
Next year's team is going to be incredibly dependent upon McGuirl and Carti.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: chum1 on March 12, 2019, 05:36:13 PM
It will be interesting to see if next year's team makes the tournament. I'm looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: wetwillie on March 12, 2019, 05:36:53 PM
Think X is going to come back?
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 08:45:33 PM
Next year's team is going to be incredibly dependent upon McGuirl and Carti.

100% agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Kat Kid on March 12, 2019, 09:17:19 PM
This is definitely the deepest backcourt K-State has or will have in my lifetime. It is incredible.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 09:38:36 PM
This is definitely the deepest backcourt K-State has or will have in my lifetime. It is incredible.

Most shallow frontcourt tho :frown:
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Kat Kid on March 12, 2019, 09:49:41 PM
This is definitely the deepest backcourt K-State has or will have in my lifetime. It is incredible.

Most shallow frontcourt tho :frown:

If you had to pick, you'd pick our problems every single time.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 12, 2019, 09:57:55 PM
Think X is going to come back?

Why wouldn't he? He would be nuts to pass up being "the guy" on next years team.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Kat Kid on March 12, 2019, 10:18:22 PM
Think X is going to come back?

Why wouldn't he? He would be nuts to pass up being "the guy" on next years team.

he definitely won't be "the guy" on ext year's team, but I doubt he leaves.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on March 12, 2019, 10:26:01 PM
Think X is going to come back?

Why wouldn't he? He would be nuts to pass up being "the guy" on next years team.

he definitely won't be "the guy" on ext year's team, but I doubt he leaves.

I think he has the tools to be an elite player and a leader with the 3 seniors gone.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Kat Kid on March 12, 2019, 10:31:36 PM
Think X is going to come back?

Why wouldn't he? He would be nuts to pass up being "the guy" on next years team.

he definitely won't be "the guy" on ext year's team, but I doubt he leaves.

I think he has the tools to be an elite player and a leader with the 3 seniors gone.

would take!
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 12, 2019, 11:18:48 PM
This is definitely the deepest backcourt K-State has or will have in my lifetime. It is incredible.

Most shallow frontcourt tho :frown:

If you had to pick, you'd pick our problems every single time.

Not me bro, I've already expressed excitement about the guards, but it's going to be much harder to mask that gigantic weakness next year. Unfortunately, I think the issues with the front court will have the most negative effect on Sneed. And I don't think he has the on court tools to be a leader. At his position, he has to be dominant to be a difference maker. Many of his career advanced stats like usage rate, per, and win shares are similar to Jamar Samuels. As much as I will always love Jamar, he was always a complimentary piece.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: michigancat on March 12, 2019, 11:20:25 PM
I feel more validated than ever for going against the grain here and thinking oscar was a good hire.  :cool:
Same

:cheers:
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: KSURFC8 on March 13, 2019, 12:53:21 PM
:Chirp:
I'll be satisfied (which shouldn't mean anything to anyone else) when we've stopped being the "surprise" team of the year, picked to finish middle-of-the-pack in the Big XII and go into a year with the actual expectation as being either the team to beat or one of the teams to beat.

That goes for football as well.

To that end, I don't care who the coach is, what he looks like or what his/her demeanor is (almost). If they can get us past the conference championship once a generation is good enough for me/us mentality, then I like them.

Quess you are saying that you are satisfied with our basketball program since thats exactly what we did this year.  Good for you.

Try reading it again but slowly this time.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: pissclams on March 13, 2019, 01:24:54 PM
This is definitely the deepest backcourt K-State has or will have in my lifetime. It is incredible.

Most shallow frontcourt tho :frown:

If you had to pick, you'd pick our problems every single time.

so would oscar.  as in, oscar has his pick and has picked our problems, ever-y single time.

to oscar, big men are like the rice at chipotle.  kinda have to have them in your burrito but it would be ok if they were out of rice.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 13, 2019, 01:27:58 PM
 :love:
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Dlew12 on March 13, 2019, 01:30:49 PM
Next year is the year of MAK.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: 8manpick on March 13, 2019, 03:19:56 PM
Next year is the return of the MAK.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: dal9 on March 13, 2019, 03:33:39 PM
Next year is the return of the MAK.
he never left
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: dal9 on March 13, 2019, 03:35:06 PM
I like oscar and I'll like him more if he can prove that he can do this kind of thing more than once every 4-6 years.    That starts with recruiting, but by the sounds of it, the current class is above average for oscar, so we'll see.

What's "this kind of thing?" Winning the conference? That's an incredibly high standard given since he's gotten to K-State he has the same amount of conference titles as Coach K, Boeheim, and Izzo COMBINED.
that is some kind of crazy stat!  who the hell has been winning the big 10 if not Boeheim and Izzo?  And what has Duke been doing with those top ranked classes!?
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: 8manpick on March 13, 2019, 03:47:37 PM
Virginia has 4 out of the last 6
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: 8manpick on March 13, 2019, 03:47:53 PM
Next year is the return of the MAK.
he never left
:dubious:
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: dal9 on March 13, 2019, 04:03:47 PM
Next year is the return of the MAK.
he never left
:dubious:
or was he never here
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: wetwillie on March 13, 2019, 05:31:55 PM
Virginia has 4 out of the last 6

Yea ol roy and Bennett have collectively got a chokehold on the ACC
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: mocat on March 13, 2019, 10:05:52 PM
Next year is the return of the MAK.
Mother of god
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: 8manpick on March 13, 2019, 10:26:33 PM
Next year is the return of the MAK.
Mother of god
dal9 isn't a Mark Morrison fan
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: 0.42 on March 14, 2019, 08:33:11 AM
oscar's goofiness has evolved to incorporate his newfound big daddy outbursts that are both hilarious and badass, so personality-wise he's fine with me now. basketball-wise this team is tough as eff in its own right and the carti windmill/The Flush's confidence are fistpump-worthy developments in themselves. and the wins have finally come, which is the most important thing.

i mean trim 3:16 for sure but i think this team is extremely likeable if you give them a chance.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: 8manpick on March 14, 2019, 09:44:48 AM
It's nice to see you 42
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: nicname on March 14, 2019, 01:01:23 PM
oscar's goofiness has evolved to incorporate his newfound big daddy outbursts that are both hilarious and badass, so personality-wise he's fine with me now. basketball-wise this team is tough as eff in its own right and the carti windmill/The Flush's confidence are fistpump-worthy developments in themselves. and the wins have finally come, which is the most important thing.

i mean trim 3:16 for sure but i think this team is extremely likeable if you give them a chance.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: 0.42 on March 14, 2019, 02:37:17 PM
i mean, crap, it's a whole new generation of adorablecats. this is great.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1lgdG_WsAArLvC.jpg)
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Kat Kid on March 14, 2019, 06:04:25 PM
This is definitely the deepest backcourt K-State has or will have in my lifetime. It is incredible.

Most shallow frontcourt tho :frown:

If you had to pick, you'd pick our problems every single time.

so would oscar.  as in, oscar has his pick and has picked our problems, ever-y single time.

to oscar, big men are like the rice at chipotle.  kinda have to have them in your burrito but it would be ok if they were out of rice.

Me? I like extra rice cause I'm a big boy that likes big burritos. I'm more of a Burrito Bill kind of guy come to think of it, but I don't like Salt on my Iguanas.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Kat Kid on March 14, 2019, 06:18:41 PM
This is definitely the deepest backcourt K-State has or will have in my lifetime. It is incredible.

Most shallow frontcourt tho :frown:

If you had to pick, you'd pick our problems every single time.

Not me bro, I've already expressed excitement about the guards, but it's going to be much harder to mask that gigantic weakness next year. Unfortunately, I think the issues with the front court will have the most negative effect on Sneed. And I don't think he has the on court tools to be a leader. At his position, he has to be dominant to be a difference maker. Many of his career advanced stats like usage rate, per, and win shares are similar to Jamar Samuels. As much as I will always love Jamar, he was always a complimentary piece.

I'm saying this year, this team in the tourney.

Next year, is going to be a struggle.  Watching DuJuan Gordon I don't think he is going to just show up and ball really well. He played a kind of weird 40 min of hell full court trapping D from what it looked like on highlights I've seen and I haven't seen any on ball defense hardly at all.  That will be a project.  Unclear on how consistent his shooting is too.  His athleticism is fantastic though.

I think we will play small more often than not, but we really need Stockard/Mak/Trice to step up and be able to combine for 50+ min and that is with X playing significant minutes as a stretch 4, which I think will be a good position for him and he will be able to do a decent amount of pick and pops like Dean while also being able to iso at times face up/off the dribble against bigs.

My biggest concern is relying so heavily on carti and mcguirl playing big min. and ALSO needing one of the freshman/sophomores to step up too considering they haven't played at all.  Looking at the roster, I think if everything breaks right we could be looking at a bubble team, but probably will be a big drop off.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: stunted on March 15, 2019, 02:37:33 AM
i mean, crap, it's a whole new generation of adorablecats. this is great.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1lgdG_WsAArLvC.jpg)

omg :lol:
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: #LIFE on March 15, 2019, 08:59:24 AM
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2019, 09:18:46 AM
tim fitzgerald is too old to be using the term, "throwing shade"
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2019, 09:20:29 AM
Look at 'clams throwing shade at fitz. SMDH.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: pissclams on March 15, 2019, 09:29:37 AM
i'll shade your ass you son of a bitch!
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2019, 09:31:37 AM
 :surprised: :D
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: mocat on March 15, 2019, 11:37:47 AM
tim fitzgerald is too old to be using the term, "throwing shade"

how do you feel about "out here"

Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: chum1 on March 15, 2019, 05:15:07 PM
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: brandochav on March 15, 2019, 08:52:46 PM
imagine thinking people that don't like gifs of 20 year past rap stars as "olds".  Eminem is right in the olds wheelhouse.
Proves my point....woosh

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i don't think you know what your point is but you do you, we're all champions today so  :cheers:
Point is the use of the scene context and matching the linguistics, regardless of age. The Seinfeld was good too, but your focus is all on the how much you like the original show. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how it came off.

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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: schreds21 on March 19, 2019, 08:22:25 PM
I'm kind of like Pete in that I have come to accept/tolerate oscar.  I can no longer argue his success here and results as a coach.  I still do not like him though, and never will.  The sound of his voice still makes my skin crawl.  That stupid, clueless grin on his face still annoys the crap out of me.  I still cannot stand his idiotic gyrations or screeching of players names while on the sideline.  His pathetic excuses and passive aggressive bullshit still makes me want to punch him in the face.  I still have my @Testy Westy magnets on my beer fridge.  I do love Kstate though and will always follow/support/cheer for its teams.  My entertainment does not come from the coaches, it comes from the teams winning, or at least being competitive.  So I'll keep watching and enjoying what has become a fun team of adorable Cats.  I will curb my venom towards oscar and not call for his head after every loss.  I'll even give him that next year there may be significant drop off.  That's to be expected when you have a successful senior class like this year's.  I like Sneed and Cartier and McGuirl though and will enjoy watching them play.  You can bet your ass though that there had better be some upward trajectory in 2020/21 or I'll be right back on that "Burn it Down/Fire oscar" train. 
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Spracne on March 19, 2019, 09:20:56 PM
It has definitely made me realize oscar is out standing . . .

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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: schreds21 on March 19, 2019, 10:05:07 PM
God you are so good at that
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: SkinnyBenny on March 20, 2019, 12:21:59 AM
It has definitely made me realize oscar is out standing . . .

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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2019, 08:11:02 AM
oscar did good this year.  It’s going to fall off a cliff next year and anybody who thinks otherwise is insane.  But this year was pretty fun.

It’s just sad to see that the Frank Martin era at Kstate still makes a certain group of people so very very angry. 
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: WackyCat08 on March 20, 2019, 08:37:32 AM
oscar did good this year.  It’s going to fall off a cliff next year and anybody who thinks otherwise is insane.  But this year was pretty fun.

It’s just sad to see that the Frank Martin era at Kstate still makes a certain group of people so very very angry.
count me as insane. I still think they'll have an Oklahomaish season next year. Bubble tourney team. Gordon kid out of Chicago will have an instant impact.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2019, 09:27:57 AM
oscar did good this year.  It’s going to fall off a cliff next year and anybody who thinks otherwise is insane.  But this year was pretty fun.

It’s just sad to see that the Frank Martin era at Kstate still makes a certain group of people so very very angry. 

I didn’t realize how many people stopped their BB fandom permanently with franks departure.   Has been a sobering realization.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: chum1 on March 20, 2019, 09:33:57 AM
Such an interesting caveat. Great job winning the conference this year! BUUUT we're definitely not winning it again next year, so...

It's like, "I'M RIDE OR DIE WITH BACK-TO-BACK CHAMPIONSHIPS!"
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Shooter Jones on March 20, 2019, 09:48:27 AM
It has definitely made me realize oscar is out standing . . .


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Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: sonofdaxjones on March 20, 2019, 10:15:37 AM
Such an interesting caveat. Great job winning the conference this year! BUUUT we're definitely not winning it again next year, so...

It's like, "I'M RIDE OR DIE WITH BACK-TO-BACK CHAMPIONSHIPS!"

Weird take, but not surprising.   Who said anything about back-to-back Peppers?

Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: kso_FAN on March 20, 2019, 10:50:02 AM
oscar's goofiness has evolved to incorporate his newfound big daddy outbursts that are both hilarious and badass, so personality-wise he's fine with me now. basketball-wise this team is tough as eff in its own right and the carti windmill/The Flush's confidence are fistpump-worthy developments in themselves. and the wins have finally come, which is the most important thing.

i mean trim 3:16 for sure but i think this team is extremely likeable if you give them a chance.

This is really well said.

Next year will be interesting, I think Carti as "the man" can be pretty darn good. We'll see.

If X is back, with Carti, Mike, Mak, Trice, SNW, plus newcomers I can see oscar coaching up a bubble team.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: ChiCat on March 20, 2019, 12:53:25 PM
I'm not usually an optimist but I think we could be better than a bubble team :horrorsurprise:  Not that I expect us to really challenge for anything meaningful, but I could see a top half B12 finish and 8 or better in the NCAAs.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: wetwillie on March 20, 2019, 01:16:34 PM
I’m hopeful for lots more alley oop dunking with next years squad.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: catastrophe on March 20, 2019, 02:14:33 PM
Being a bubble team is pretty fun, and I’m already a big Cartier/X fan, so I think next year could be alright.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: Kenneth Noisewater on March 20, 2019, 03:04:36 PM
 I do not know how X can’t be back. He’s not ready to be a pro, unless it’s like in Europe, China or Siberia. If he’s back, I think we have a chance to be middle of the pack decent-kind of good.
 There are some on GPC who believe he’s gone, though, so what do I know.
Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: EMAWzifried on March 22, 2019, 05:51:41 PM
If you are satisfied with this being the ceiling for K-State basketball, Oscar's your man. You could make the case it is the ceiling. No final fours since 1964  despite seven Elite Eight runs. Two conference championships in the last four decades.
I would hope we could to better or at least more consistent, competing for the league title more ofter and making more of out tournament appearances. I wish I would spend the next few weeks worrying UCLA or Arizona was going to steal our coach. An aggressive recruiter could field a respectable team next year by building on what is in place.

Anyway some thoughts about how Oscar handled the opportunity before him this year. I fault him and the staff first and foremost for failing to improve the talent level of a final eight team. Given bench players who could only charitably be called projects who could have be moved on to make room for useful talent, this is even a greater failure. If ever there was a year to bring in a frad transfer to help with either of two glaring deficiencies of outside shooting and rebounding, this was it. The staff had to know Trice was too raw to solve the latter weakness. If not we have greater problems.
But rebounding wasn't the difference today. We lost when ICU went zone.

I credit the staff with handling the potentially troubling Stokes/Diarra well. They seemed to get the team to buy in with the Stokes decision. It always seemed to me a preference of steadiness over potential stardom. but Stokes was the best player on the team the last month. Diarra erased any potential conflict by foolishly injuring himself mid-conference. In retrospect, that injury likely contributed to Brown's late-season doldrums. He just didn't seem to be able to get into the lane like he did in the first three-quarters of the season.
Staff's reticence to post up Sneed mystifies me. It seems a missed offensive opportunity on a scoring-challenged team. On the other hand, they got more than I expected from Mak, as much as he frustrates me.











Title: Re: Has this championship changed how you either think or act regarding KSU MBB?
Post by: MakeItRain on March 23, 2019, 03:10:22 AM
If you are satisfied with this being the ceiling for K-State basketball, Oscar's your man. You could make the case it is the ceiling. No final fours since 1964  despite seven Elite Eight runs. Two conference championships in the last four decades.
I would hope we could to better or at least more consistent, competing for the league title more ofter and making more of out tournament appearances. I wish I would spend the next few weeks worrying UCLA or Arizona was going to steal our coach. An aggressive recruiter could field a respectable team next year by building on what is in place.

Anyway some thoughts about how Oscar handled the opportunity before him this year. I fault him and the staff first and foremost for failing to improve the talent level of a final eight team. Given bench players who could only charitably be called projects who could have be moved on to make room for useful talent, this is even a greater failure. If ever there was a year to bring in a frad transfer to help with either of two glaring deficiencies of outside shooting and rebounding, this was it. The staff had to know Trice was too raw to solve the latter weakness. If not we have greater problems.
But rebounding wasn't the difference today. We lost when ICU went zone.

I credit the staff with handling the potentially troubling Stokes/Diarra well. They seemed to get the team to buy in with the Stokes decision. It always seemed to me a preference of steadiness over potential stardom. but Stokes was the best player on the team the last month. Diarra erased any potential conflict by foolishly injuring himself mid-conference. In retrospect, that injury likely contributed to Brown's late-season doldrums. He just didn't seem to be able to get into the lane like he did in the first three-quarters of the season.
Staff's reticence to post up Sneed mystifies me. It seems a missed offensive opportunity on a scoring-challenged team. On the other hand, they got more than I expected from Mak, as much as he frustrates me.

1. We gave up 1.21 PPP in the second half with a 61% eFG. We gave up 70+ points three times this season, I'm sure you won't need many guesses to figure out what our record is in these games.
2. I'm not sure you can blame this on the coaches. It doesn't appear to me that X is comfortable with his back to the basket. We also do not have the personnel to support a double post offense.