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What can we do? OB's track record of not cutting incompetent assistants if very disconcerting. How do we get out in front of this, start momentum and get the conversation started?
Trim said we can't do a plane banner. But we gotta do something.
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Trim said we can't do a plane banner. But we gotta do something.
We can do a plane banner, but it has to be Fire Snyder.
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firecosh.com?
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Trim said we can't do a plane banner.
why not.
t-shirts?
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halloween costumes?
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Trim said we can't do a plane banner.
why not.
t-shirts?
We're not wasting an airplane on getting a coordinator fired who will be replaced by another crap coordinator.
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Yes, T-Shirts!! I am down with that 100%. Our defense is rough ridin' horrible.
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I will contribute to whatever is done to get rid of him. Does anyone have this clown's e-mail address?
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he has hired decent coordinators in the past
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"For Sale" signs in his front yard?
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I just can't picture OB letting Cosh go. So, to me, if we want Cosh gone, we Fire Snyder.
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They won't fire Snyder, especially this year. However, Cosh could be let go or get co-coordinated out. Curry isn't a total pussy who won't get involved.
Any banner about Snyder is a waste of money. It's time to let whoever in the AD heard about the Prince banner to know there is a Cosh banner in the works.
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I just can't picture OB letting Cosh go. So, to me, if we want Cosh gone, we Fire Snyder.
this. it won't happen, but this is the only long term solution. we're just going to be f'ing around at 5-7, 6-6, 7-5 with snyds as head coach. we have no hope of this defense getting any better with the plethora of JC guys giving our recruiters the middle finger and going elsewhere, let alone the miss after miss in the HS ranks.
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They won't fire Snyder, especially this year. However, Cosh could be let go or get co-coordinated out. Curry isn't a total pussy who won't get involved.
Any banner about Snyder is a waste of money. It's time to let whoever in the AD heard about the Prince banner to know there is a Cosh banner in the works.
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halloween costumes?
That worked for prince.
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I just can't picture OB letting Cosh go. So, to me, if we want Cosh gone, we Fire Snyder.
this. it won't happen, but this is the only long term solution. we're just going to be f'ing around at 5-7, 6-6, 7-5 with snyds as head coach. we have no hope of this defense getting any better with the plethora of JC guys giving our recruiters the middle finger and going elsewhere, let alone the miss after miss in the HS ranks.
our recruiters don't leave campus long enough to get a middle finger.
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Someone who knows how (kougs, FAN) make a fire cosh shirt
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Car bomb or poison or fake suicide :goodbyecruelworld:
Snyder won't do it, we have to take matters into our own hands. :bang:
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Def. need to go the co-coordinator route. Leavitt can come in and Cosh can hold a clipboard or something. Getting some decent athletes out there on defense next season should help some.
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Def. need to go the co-coordinator route. Leavitt can come in and Cosh can hold a clipboard or something. Getting some decent athletes out there on defense next season should help some.
Don't like paying 3/4 of our staff to just be bros with Bill.
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"Co-Coordinate Out Cosh"
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I HATE YOU COSH
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START THE LIKING
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Jim-Leavitt/111131558938402
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Brown paper bags with "COSH" written on the top of the eye holes.
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Maybe distribute "Fire Cosh" coasters around aggieville bars? :dunno:
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I just got a text from LHCBS... Reply
"Changes coming. We will be better."
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I just got a text from LHCBS... Reply
"Changes coming. We will be better."
Who is powercat46?
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Can the shirts say OMFC? Oh my rough ridin' cosh!
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I just got a text from LHCBS... Reply
"Changes coming. We will be better."
lol
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He usually has good insidery information, he does the electrical work in Vanier or some crap.
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"Changes coming. We will be better."
new bulk supplier of werthers originals candies to help on the recruiting trail?
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He usually has good insidery information, he does the electrical work in Vanier or some cac.
Snyder is texting the electrical guy at Vanier after a loss? :flush:
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He usually has good insidery information, he does the electrical work in Vanier or some cac.
Snyder is texting the electrical guy at Vanier after a loss? :flush:
I don't know if that is what he does for sure or not, one would guess the "or some crap" part of my post would have indicated that guess not.
I don't give a eff what he does, like I said the dude has had good insidery info before, the guy does something where he has good access to Mr. Burns and Frank
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I just sent a text to LHCBS.... Reply
I told him NOW is the time to open up the play book...on the FRICKEN DEFENSIVE side of the ball.
His response?
"Just wait..."
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I told him NOW is the time to open up the play book...on the FRICKEN DEFENSIVE side of the ball.
His response?
"Just wait..."
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I just sent a text to LHCBS.... Reply
I told him NOW is the time to open up the play book...on the FRICKEN DEFENSIVE side of the ball.
His response?
"Just wait..."
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lol
Keep em comin, please.
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Keep em comin, please.
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as soon as I can figure out how to take a pic of my own phone....
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Someone get the guy a friend with another phone ASAP!
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Postgame with Levi's uncle Matt Wolters call-in show: 866-577-8228.
Show 'em what you're made of, goEMAW.
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866-577-8228.
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Originally posted by Kaicat:
Well, looks like I hit a nerve with the homer crowd. They can't handle the romper room kool-aid or the beer in Aggieville.
Be nice, I may be signing you paycheck.
Dude, first of all, if you are signing MY paycheck, I'm gonna over-charge you like a mutha-fukkka! I NEVER do things like that, but if you are as big an ass in real life as you are here on the board, you can guarantee you are getting charged double, my normal price. Not to mention, 130% mark-up.
Also, you talk about being able to handle the "beer" in Aggieville? Oh....bitch, please.
Email me for the OSU game. Let's have a 30 pack or two. After midnight, I have interesting visitors. (current and former coaches, current and former players, the whole 9 yards)
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Least cosh doesn't have a lazy eye!
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866-577-8228.
MW: Trim in Wichita, you're on the Midwest Ford Dealers Wildcat Wrap-up Show
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866-577-8228.
MW: Trim in Wichita, you're on the Midwest Ford Dealers Wildcat Wrap-up Show
I'll go for it.
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I should've used a fake name. They dropped me during the break. I wasn't even going to be chokeouty or anything.
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I should've used a fake name. They dropped me during the break. I wasn't even going to be chokeouty or anything.
Call screener also screening the interwebs :surprised:
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Show assistant guy: Can I get your name and where you're calling from?
Trim: Trim, from Wichita.
Guy: Your name again?
Trim: Trim
Guy: Alright, we'll get you on after the break.
(30-60 seconds later)
Guy: How do I spell your name?
Trim: T-R-I-M
Guy: Alright.
(during break, about 90 seconds later, they hung up)
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I have to find a way to take a pic of my own phone.
Changes are guaranteed. We will be better defensively.
Coach does not like the "bend don't break"...especially when we don't have the ability to....(sorry to use these words) "not break".
Coach LHC Bill Snyder is not happy with our defensive philosophy.
Accommodations were made for expectations, but none of them are being met.
Expect changes soon.
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I know you don't know, but what would you guess "soon" means?
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and that just begs the question Powercat46...changes for the 'better' or changes for the 'worse'??? TNB
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Frank -
Soon means on the flight home.
Changes are happening now. Not only as I type...but from the last time I typed about it, until now....changes have happened.
Remember one thing. Coach Snyder has never "fired" an assistant coach. That's not going to change. Re-assign, maybe. Fire.....no.
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and by *maybe* I mean....definitely.
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Would your picture on your phone have been of our new d-coord? I'm confused.
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Speculation time guys.
Who fills the Cosh-sized void?
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Originally posted by Franks3starfit:
Speculation time guys.
Who fills the Cosh-sized void?
Well, if that is legit, I expect Burns to take over DC duties. That would be my guess.
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Who are you and why do you think you got a text message from LHCBS...WHILE THE GAME WAS STILL GOING ON!!!
You can't be serious with this, can you?
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and how do u know this Reply
Nm
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Originally posted by Franks3starfit:
Speculation time guys.
Who fills the Cosh-sized void?
Well we know Burns has experience as a DC. No clue what his philosophy is, but he's done it before.
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Originally posted by KSYOU:
Originally posted by Franks3starfit:
Speculation time guys.
Who fills the Cosh-sized void?
Well, if that is legit, I expect Burns to take over DC duties. That would be my guess.
That would be the most logical at this point, and my guess as well.
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my god you guys are nothing but a bunch of hungry fish in a pond aren't you?
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Originally posted by KSWildcat74:
my god you guys are nothing but a bunch of hungry fish in a pond aren't you?
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I don't think P46 is fishing. I remember one d-bag little fishing expedition he took in the last year or so - don't remember what it was, but I remember that it wasn't at all funny or well-received - but I don't think he would do that to us again. Not as fragile as we all are now.
P46 is a great Wildcat. You'd have to be a total doucheturd to f*ck around with being cutesy right now.
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pap-
There isn't going to be any "big changes" that we will all find out about. What will happen, is the philosophy will change. Spread? Zone read? Actually....those are things that get chuckled at by the d-coaches. Here's the beef...
"We HAVE to be mean"
According to the coach that I know pretty well...we just aren't mean enough yet. We are a team of "ok" folks. We need assholes. We need cocky bastards. We need the likes of Monty Beisel, (cockiest mutha I've ever been around)-Terrance Newman (most confident person I've ever seen in my life) Dyshod Carter (the most over confident person to walk the face of the earth) Zac Diles (the most disciplined person I've come across)....
You get the picture. If you aren't a mean sum-bitch...you'll never amount to anything in Div 1, let alone the League. Coach might just be saying the same thing now....
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call it what you want, but Hudson and Pedersen were both let go.
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46, I'd love to hear some info. You're well-connected and I want to know what's happening. Fill us in.
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Are you on the same plane coming back from Waco with that other heavy-hitting jet set insider aka '1968cat'?....this sounds like something he would shout out. TNB
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Originally posted by Powercat46:
pap-
There isn't going to be any "big changes" that we will all find out about. What will happen, is the philosophy will change. Spread? Zone read? Actually....those are things that get chuckled at by the d-coaches. Here's the beef...
"We HAVE to be mean"
According to the coach that I know pretty well...we just aren't mean enough yet. We are a team of "ok" folks. We need assholes. We need cocky bastards. We need the likes of Monty Beisel, (cockiest mutha I've ever been around)-Terrance Newman (most confident person I've ever seen in my life) Dyshod Carter (the most over confident person to walk the face of the earth) Zac Diles (the most disciplined person I've come across)....
You get the picture. If you aren't a mean sum-bitch...you'll never amount to anything in Div 1, let alone the League. Coach might just be saying the same thing now....
Oh, good grief man, thanks for getting our interest piqued for absolutely nothing. The change coming is that we're suddenly gonna get mean? You'd think we'd have been sufficiently pissed after the NU game, or maybe at halftime today.
Give me a break.
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The entire team is going to take steroids to make them mean.
Need some roid rage on this team. They need to get mean. I mean some mother f'n mean mother f'ers.
Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket.
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Originally posted by Powercat46:
pap-
There isn't going to be any "big changes" that we will all find out about. What will happen, is the philosophy will change. Spread? Zone read? Actually....those are things that get chuckled at by the d-coaches. Here's the beef...
"We HAVE to be mean"
According to the coach that I know pretty well...we just aren't mean enough yet. We are a team of "ok" folks. We need assholes. We need cocky bastards. We need the likes of Monty Beisel, (cockiest mutha I've ever been around)-Terrance Newman (most confident person I've ever seen in my life) Dyshod Carter (the most over confident person to walk the face of the earth) Zac Diles (the most disciplined person I've come across)....
You get the picture. If you aren't a mean sum-bitch...you'll never amount to anything in Div 1, let alone the League. Coach might just be saying the same thing now....
Oh, My!
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Cheek hurts huh?
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Defensively speaking...
There's coaching. That's what shows them when and where they are supposed to be.
There's experience. That's what the kids learn after being put into the wrong position and watching the opponent expose YOU.
There's Learning. That happens when you listen to the coaching, have had some experience, then make the right decision.
There's Executing. This is when it all comes together.
There's perfection. The only time perfection happens is when every player on the field at any time of any play expects the other players to execute from their learning experience that they were coached.
Christ...I just let loose of a secret, didn't I.
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Please stop now. Thanks.
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Pap...
I'm done.
Sorry.
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Originally posted by WestCoastCat:
Originally posted by KSWildcat74:
my god you guys are nothing but a bunch of hungry fish in a pond aren't you?
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I don't think P46 is fishing. I remember one d-bag little fishing expedition he took in the last year or so - don't remember what it was, but I remember that it wasn't at all funny or well-received - but I don't think he would do that to us again. Not as fragile as we all are now.
P46 is a great Wildcat. You'd have to be a total doucheturd to f*ck around with being cutesy right now.
Sooooo....total douchetard it is, apparently.
This has become the most worthless thread in the history of this website. And that's saying a lot.
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Originally posted by KSWildcat74:
The entire team is going to take steroids to make them mean.
Need some roid rage on this team. They need to get mean. I mean some mother f'n mean mother f'ers.
Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket.
We have the undisputed winner of tonights coveted "TheNewBate's post game LMFAO comment/post Award"....KSWildcat74...congratulations....that was fricken funny!!! TNB
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So powercat46 are the coaches going after these angry player in recruiting this year?
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Originally posted by TheNewBate:
Originally posted by KSWildcat74:
The entire team is going to take steroids to make them mean.
Need some roid rage on this team. They need to get mean. I mean some mother f'n mean mother f'ers.
Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket.
We have the undisputed winner of tonights coveted "TheNewBate's post game LMFAO comment/post Award"....KSWildcat74...congratulations....that was fricken funny!!! TNB
The prize for this award is 2 hits of acid and a screaming nude Bate chasing you with a bloody axe wearing a Star Wars Helmet. Congratulations.
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Originally posted by KSU_34:
So powercat46 are the coaches going after these angry player in recruiting this year?
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Sounds like we are going to shift our recruiting focus to "Insane Asylums" and "Maximum Security Prisons" to get the meanest, craziest, mother-effin wackos out there that still have some college sports eligibility left. That's my interpretation. TNB
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Originally posted by Powercat46:
pap-
There isn't going to be any "big changes" that we will all find out about. What will happen, is the philosophy will change. Spread? Zone read? Actually....those are things that get chuckled at by the d-coaches. Here's the beef...
"We HAVE to be mean"
According to the coach that I know pretty well...we just aren't mean enough yet. We are a team of "ok" folks. We need assholes. We need cocky bastards. We need the likes of Monty Beisel, (cockiest mutha I've ever been around)-Terrance Newman (most confident person I've ever seen in my life) Dyshod Carter (the most over confident person to walk the face of the earth) Zac Diles (the most disciplined person I've come across)....
You get the picture. If you aren't a mean sum-bitch...you'll never amount to anything in Div 1, let alone the League. Coach might just be saying the same thing now....
unbelieveable
This post was edited on 10/23 11:19 PM by ccox
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Koppe, you're on a roll sir.
To All - regardless of P46's inside information, or lack thereof, I really see a change in D coaching coming. Snyder knows what this team is capable of. If the D had played like they did last year, we MIGHT be 7-0 right now. Last year's D was decent - they weren't world beaters, but a top 40 D with this offense = a pretty dam good team.
Fwiw, I think there's more to this story, and wouldn't be surprised to see something by monday or tuesday.
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Originally posted by TheNewBate:
Originally posted by KSU_34:
So powercat46 are the coaches going after these angry player in recruiting this year?
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Sounds like we are going to shift our recruiting focus to "Insane Asylums" and "Maximum Security Prisons" to get the meanest, craziest, mother-effin wackos out there that still have some college sports eligibility left. That's my interpretation. TNB
Back to recruiting Compton College?
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Originally posted by koppe22:
Originally posted by TheNewBate:
Originally posted by KSWildcat74:
The entire team is going to take steroids to make them mean.
Need some roid rage on this team. They need to get mean. I mean some mother f'n mean mother f'ers.
Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket.
We have the undisputed winner of tonights coveted "TheNewBate's post game LMFAO comment/post Award"....KSWildcat74...congratulations....that was fricken funny!!! TNB
The prize for this award is 2 hits of acid and a screaming nude Bate chasing you with a bloody axe wearing a Star Wars Helmet. Congratulations.
congratulations koppe for that fine effort that just won you the 1st place trophy for the highly coveted "TheNewBate's LMFAO for the most outrageously funny post game comment after a humiliating loss to a team we used to repeatedly kick the living sh*t out of in the Glory Day's of KSU Football"...Award. TNB
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ccox-
Who's your ass-hole? Who's your leader? Who's your cocky dude? Who's the defensive prick to take control?
We don't have one...yet.
There is the problem. Everyone knows it, no one wants to admit it.
I did. Call me the crap out!! ERRRRFFFFFF!!!
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LOL...
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Originally posted by samfor:
wouldn't be surprised to see something by monday or tuesday.
Yup. It's called "basketball season." Thank God it's almost here.
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Careful...
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HEEE....now, I don't care who ya are...that crap right there...it was funny!! (Larry the Cable Guy)
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The only problem is Bill knew what he was getting with Cosh before he re-hired him.
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I fear that Bill won't fire anyone...which is sad b/c when people don't get the job done, you fire them it's pretty simple. Now if I could take my guess, Bill has said he doesn't like bend don't break so perhaps that means we'll see more blitzes/attacking style defensive schemes from here on out.
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Jesus Koppe, I have no idea what you typed but your gif has me rolling right now.
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Koppe is posting "The weather is a Dick"
I posted that 2 days ago. Sorry.
Anyway...people seem to hold Koppe in high regard. I invite Koppe to name a non-con game, and I have 2nd row tickets for ya. We're next to the bench, I can probably get coach to come over and shake a hand, and give you "it's about time you quit being a bitch" type thing.
Only if you are willing.
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nm
This post was edited on 10/24 1:14 AM by saxman
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Originally posted by ccox:
Originally posted by Powercat46:
pap-
There isn't going to be any "big changes" that we will all find out about. What will happen, is the philosophy will change. Spread? Zone read? Actually....those are things that get chuckled at by the d-coaches. Here's the beef...
"We HAVE to be mean"
According to the coach that I know pretty well...we just aren't mean enough yet. We are a team of "ok" folks. We need assholes. We need cocky bastards. We need the likes of Monty Beisel, (cockiest mutha I've ever been around)-Terrance Newman (most confident person I've ever seen in my life) Dyshod Carter (the most over confident person to walk the face of the earth) Zac Diles (the most disciplined person I've come across)....
You get the picture. If you aren't a mean sum-bitch...you'll never amount to anything in Div 1, let alone the League. Coach might just be saying the same thing now....
unbelieveable
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Can't think of a more appropriate response ccox, also can't stop laughing.
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Originally posted by Powercat46:
Koppe is posting "The weather is a Dick"
I posted that 2 days ago. Sorry.
Anyway...people seem to hold Koppe in high regard. I invite Koppe to name a non-con game, and I have 2nd row tickets for ya. We're next to the bench, I can probably get coach to come over and shake a hand, and give you "it's about time you quit being a bitch" type thing.
Only if you are willing.
Easy broseph (see what I did there?...bro + joseph?). Anyways, I challenge you to find anything complementary I have ever said about Koppe until now. P46, I appreciate your insight and if you are sitting second row...congrats! Let's not get too worked up after a tough loss when we weren't favored. We all know changes are coming because simply, they have to. Right now we don't have the "Jimmie's and Joe's" on D and even worse, we don't have that crazy flame thrower Eckler type like in the past. For me, that is the most frustrating. I mean, where is this guy... (see link)?
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Link: Ahh, Danny Bateman
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I mean, when are we going to get the refs to talk throw flags on our D for this...
Link: Scott Bakula
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This is the most confusing thread I've ever tried to follow. It seriously smells like Powercat46 got too drunk and actually came close to revealing some inside information, and then started peeing his pants when he realized he was about to piss off whoever was talking to him, so he made up some crazy crap about how we need to get meaner players...
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Who the he!! do you think you are 46. I'm guessing a wannabe. Get a real life, not a make believe one. I grow tired of people like you.
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Originally posted by shifter:
he!!
I love that! From now on, instead of saying "hell", I'm going to say, "What in the "H-E-double-exclamation-marks" are you talking about?"
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Trim's link http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&mid=137996706&sid=889&tid=137996706&style=4
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Saw a good suggestion on the Bring on the Cats blog. J.C. Harper, current head coach at Stephen F. Austin. Dude took a completely dead program to a powerhouse in the Southland Conference based on...guess what?...turning around a really crappy defense to be one of the conference's best.
Throw some money at him, Currie.
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Nope, just get Leavitt somehow.
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OR MAYBE WE COULD GET LEAVITT SOMEHOW. goddamn, i'm just full of amazing ideas today.
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BANNER: "Fire Snyder Unless He Fires Cosh; But Even Then He Has To Hire A Proven DC Or Else We Still Want Him Fired. Maybe Jim Leavitt? :dunno:"
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BANNER: "Fire Snyder Unless He Fires Cosh; But Even Then He Has To Hire A Proven DC Or Else We Still Want Him Fired. Maybe Jim Leavitt? :dunno:"
I like that. Now let's decide on font.
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Looks like it's still up to us...
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Wow...I pulled an "old Bate" last night. Reply
My apologies. I thought it was kinda funny at the time, but now I realize that I just made myself look like an ass. I don't ever do that sort of thing, and yeah, I was HIGHLY intoxicated. (Not that that is an excuse)
Anyway, like I said, I'm sorry that I acted that way. It won't happen again.
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so does that mean Reply
you don't have evidence that changes are being made effective immediately?
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I have evidence that I had that I had too much to drink. The text I got only said that a "meeting" was going to take place. I took that and ran with it. Absolutely no idea what will take place during that meeting or even who all is going to be involved.
I know, I'm an idiot. Sorry.
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WOW, the coaching staff is going to have a meeting, imagine that!!! BREAKING NEWS: (AP) LHC Bill Snyder TO HOLD A MEETING WITH HIS COACHING STAFF AFTER THE BAYLOR GAME, STAY TUNED FOR FURTHER DETAILS
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linncat - don't be an ass - the guy already said he was sorry - he was drunk and we were all pissed after losing a game ugly that we should have won.
I HIGHLY doubt snyder would send a text that referenced a routine meeting.
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Just to be clear, it wasn't a text from Coach, but from someone on the staff who is a close personal friend and has been for 15+ years.
And I know, I was a complete idiot. I was drunk and pissed off. Like most everyone else.
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Already forgiven...... Reply
but I still hold out hope that your first post is right. There does need to be some serious changes made.
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Dude...
If I had a quarter for every time I wish I hadn't made a drunken ass of myself on this board... well... let's just say I'd have to change my name to "VENDING_MACHINE_WARRIOR"!
As far as I'm concerned, no apologies necessary. If the whole board hadn't been so hyper-sensitive to the fact that we all think big changes on defense need to be made, we wouldn't have escalated your post into such a big deal in the first place...
Cat-up my friend!
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Originally posted by Powercat46:
My apologies. I thought it was kinda funny at the time, but now I realize that I just made myself look like an ass. I don't ever do that sort of thing, and yeah, I was HIGHLY intoxicated. (Not that that is an excuse)
Anyway, like I said, I'm sorry that I acted that way. It won't happen again.
FYI Powercat46...you were nowhere close to the "old Bate" last night. Actually you are quite entertaining when you drink. I was just an bad person when I did that late at night, sparring with anyone that came my way. Fortunately for me, those days are over. Booze is no longer a part of my life and my life is 100X better as a result. No apology necessary. TNB
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Good for you, Bate. The difference is evident.
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Originally posted by TheNewBate:
Originally posted by Powercat46:
My apologies. I thought it was kinda funny at the time, but now I realize that I just made myself look like an ass. I don't ever do that sort of thing, and yeah, I was HIGHLY intoxicated. (Not that that is an excuse)
Anyway, like I said, I'm sorry that I acted that way. It won't happen again.
FYI Powercat46...you were nowhere close to the "old Bate" last night. Actually you are quite entertaining when you drink. I was just an bad person when I did that late at night, sparring with anyone that came my way. Fortunately for me, those days are over. Booze is no longer a part of my life and my life is 100X better as a result. No apology necessary. TNB
Congratulations, Bate. I have to admit I was waiting for the first Bate Meltdown, but it is obvious you are a different person now, and it is quite refreshing.
And for everyone else, I have know idea who Powercat46 is, but from his previous posts, it is obvious he is able to donate more than the Average Joe, knows a lot of people in Manhattan, and has good connections. I took his post with several grains of salt last night, knowing he is connected, but also realizing his writing tone was different than normal- i.e. I assumed he'd had a few drinks.
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Only GPC could morph a thread about insider football info into an AA support group.
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man that powercat46 is a dumbass.
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I wish Fitz used that excuse after "It's Patterson!"
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I think this guy is on to something with these anger drums.
If we can't pull an airplane sign can we at least have these, Trim?
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The fan base is stirred. The fan base is pissed - and this is an angry stinking piss. The defensive performance was unacceptable and requires a consequence. The fan base needs the defensivce coodinator's head chopped. Coach Synder either you give us the sacrificial blood or get the effin out of here. How can you recruit with your current coordinator in place? Get up, get off your loyalty ethic and save your program. Cosh erodes the brand.
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I think this guy is on to something with these anger drums.
If we can't pull an airplane sign can we at least have these, Trim?
Absolutely. Mods, we're going to need 5000 of these with the katpak head emblazoned (Wyatt's term) on the drum heads.
http://www.amazon.com/Damaru-Karate-Kid-Drum-Spinning/dp/B000SKRXU2
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I am going to start saying "Cat up" a whole lot.
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I think this guy is on to something with these anger drums.
If we can't pull an airplane sign can we at least have these, Trim?
Absolutely. Mods, we're going to need 5000 of these with the katpak head emblazoned (Wyatt's term) on the drum heads.
http://www.amazon.com/Damaru-Karate-Kid-Drum-Spinning/dp/B000SKRXU2
Gonna need these anger drums to smell like anger piss as well. Details, but the mods ought to know if we're serious about this.
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866-577-8228.
MW: Trim in Wichita, you're on the Midwest Ford Dealers Wildcat Wrap-up Show
I'll go for it.
I got on. Just when I was about to talk about the defense I got cut off :frown:
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866-577-8228.
MW: Trim in Wichita, you're on the Midwest Ford Dealers Wildcat Wrap-up Show
I'll go for it.
I got on. Just when I was about to talk about the defense I got cut off :frown:
They sniffed you out. They were begging for callers towards the end.
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WOW after reading the longggggggggggg cac twitter thread I see this. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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What can we do? OB's track record of not cutting incompetent assistants if very disconcerting. How do we get out in front of this, start momentum and get the conversation started?
Trim said we can't do a plane banner. But we gotta do something.
bill's master plan....by getting us to hate cos he'll be able to bring back Elliott and we'll be thanking him for the upgrade
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What can we do? OB's track record of not cutting incompetent assistants if very disconcerting. How do we get out in front of this, start momentum and get the conversation started?
Trim said we can't do a plane banner. But we gotta do something.
bill's master plan....by getting us to hate cos he'll be able to bring back Elliott and we'll be thanking him for the upgrade
Some _fan shirt should work.
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Maybe its time to forgive the unforgivable sin...
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WTH would Venables come to KSU as a DC? Coming as a HC only and there's multiple reasons why Bill will still be here after this year. This crap needs to be fixed NOW.
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WTH would Venables come to KSU as a DC? Coming as a HC only and there's multiple reasons why Bill will still be here after this year. This cac needs to be fixed NOW.
Venables would come for the HCIW tag. That will never happen, but it would work.
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WTH would Venables come to KSU as a DC? Coming as a HC only and there's multiple reasons why Bill will still be here after this year. This cac needs to be fixed NOW.
Venables would come for the HCIW tag. That will never happen, but it would work.
idc what happens.
I want Cosh out, and i want someone good in. i want Jim real bad though...
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It seems like there are two camps here. Sort of like the Carson deal. Those who want Snyder gone, and those who just want Cosh gone.
I have no problem getting rid of Snyder, as long as we replace him with a solid proven coach. No more experiments.
On the other hand, if there really aren't any realistic options to replace him at this time, I'd still be fine with a Leavitt or someone to replace Cosh for the time being. I think Snyder is still a good overall COACH. And, I think most would agree that if we had a decent (30-40 ranked) defense, we would actually have a pretty good team.
But, I think it's pretty stupid to get rid of Snyder right now, just for the sake of getting rid of him. We could very easily end up in another Ron Prince type situation, and be set back a few more years. At least we seem to be gaining a little bit of momentum with a bowl game likely this season.
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It seems like there are two camps here. Sort of like the Carson deal. Those who want Snyder gone, and those who just want Cosh gone.
I have no problem getting rid of Snyder, as long as we replace him with a solid proven coach. No more experiments.
On the other hand, if there really aren't any realistic options to replace him at this time, I'd still be fine with a Leavitt or someone to replace Cosh for the time being. I think Snyder is still a good overall COACH. And, I think most would agree that if we had a decent (30-40 ranked) defense, we would actually have a pretty good team.
But, I think it's pretty stupid to get rid of Snyder right now, just for the sake of getting rid of him. We could very easily end up in another Ron Prince type situation, and be set back a few more years. At least we seem to be gaining a little bit of momentum with a bowl game likely this season.
Mike rough ridin' Leach
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It seems like there are two camps here. Sort of like the Carson deal. Those who want Snyder gone, and those who just want Cosh gone.
I have no problem getting rid of Snyder, as long as we replace him with a solid proven coach. No more experiments.
On the other hand, if there really aren't any realistic options to replace him at this time, I'd still be fine with a Leavitt or someone to replace Cosh for the time being. I think Snyder is still a good overall COACH. And, I think most would agree that if we had a decent (30-40 ranked) defense, we would actually have a pretty good team.
But, I think it's pretty stupid to get rid of Snyder right now, just for the sake of getting rid of him. We could very easily end up in another Ron Prince type situation, and be set back a few more years. At least we seem to be gaining a little bit of momentum with a bowl game likely this season.
Mike rough ridin' Leach
Would love to have Leach. Which begs the question: Would he realistically consider coming to KSU? It's hard to say.
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It seems like there are two camps here. Sort of like the Carson deal. Those who want Snyder gone, and those who just want Cosh gone.
I have no problem getting rid of Snyder, as long as we replace him with a solid proven coach. No more experiments.
On the other hand, if there really aren't any realistic options to replace him at this time, I'd still be fine with a Leavitt or someone to replace Cosh for the time being. I think Snyder is still a good overall COACH. And, I think most would agree that if we had a decent (30-40 ranked) defense, we would actually have a pretty good team.
But, I think it's pretty stupid to get rid of Snyder right now, just for the sake of getting rid of him. We could very easily end up in another Ron Prince type situation, and be set back a few more years. At least we seem to be gaining a little bit of momentum with a bowl game likely this season.
Mike effing Leach
Would love to have Leach. Which begs the question: Would he realistically consider coming to KSU? It's hard to say.
That is pure retardation. He'd be on the next schooner here.
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would our big $$ guys buy off on, allegedly, "batshit crazy"? Not that I think you're "batshit crazy" Mr. Leach... If you happen to be reading this. I think you're quite endearing and would love to see you in manhattan.
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could you even imagine katpaker events with Frank and Leach going back and forth with each other? :love:
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Need to pass around a collection plate like at church for the last two home games and if everyone of you tight asses would pitch in at least ten bucks each game we'd have a huge chunk of Jack that we could present to jc for doing what bill can't...hiring some real time gun slingers to restore order back to the mob
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could you even imagine katpaker events with Frank and Leach going back and forth with each other? :love:
That would be awesome.
You're an idiot if you think K-State would ever hire anyone with a past like Leach's. He's a genius, and I'd love to have him, but he is not coming here. And how would Mike Leach solve the defense problem?
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could you even imagine katpaker events with Frank and Leach going back and forth with each other? :love:
That would be awesome.
You're an idiot if you think K-State would ever hire anyone with a past like Leach's. He's a genius, and I'd love to have him, but he is not coming here. And how would Mike Leach solve the defense problem?
By hiring a d coordinator worth a damn.
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could you even imagine katpaker events with Frank and Leach going back and forth with each other? :love:
That would be awesome.
You're an idiot if you think K-State would ever hire anyone with a past like Leach's. He's a genius, and I'd love to have him, but he is not coming here. And how would Mike Leach solve the defense problem?
By hiring a d coordinator worth a damn.
By scoring 70 points a game.
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could you even imagine katpaker events with Frank and Leach going back and forth with each other? :love:
That would be awesome.
You're an idiot if you think K-State would ever hire anyone with a past like Leach's. He's a genius, and I'd love to have him, but he is not coming here. And how would Mike Leach solve the defense problem?
By hiring a d coordinator worth a damn.
This. Also, Leach would have no problem firing a DC that wasn't getting it done.
If I remember correctly, he replaced his DC with McNeil (who was already on staff) during the season.
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NO crap BILL
from today's mercury
"We just don't have people where they're supposed to be. That's our problem, our issue. We need to coach them better."
If that's not an indictment of defensive coordinator Chris Cosh, I don't know what is. Cosh took over at the coordinator this season following Vic Koenning's departure to Illinois.
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NO cac BILL
from today's mercury
"We just don't have people where they're supposed to be. That's our problem, our issue. We need to coach them better."
If that's not an indictment of defensive coordinator Chris Cosh, I don't know what is. Cosh took over at the coordinator this season following Vic Koenning's anddeparture to Illinois.and BINGO was his name 0
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Does that Tension Rising story on gpc say anything about the anger drums? I still want one of those.
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NO crap BILL
from today's mercury
"We just don't have people where they're supposed to be. That's our problem, our issue. We need to coach them better."
If that's not an indictment of defensive coordinator Chris Cosh, I don't know what is. Cosh took over at the coordinator this season following Vic Koenning's departure to Illinois.
looks like econocat is eating delicious scoops of Kinder.
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What's the deal with the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) with no shirt on?
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I completely forgot about this.
FES: Send your tweets cheering on the Wildcats to @kstatesports YOUR tweet could appear on the Powercat Vision video board during the game!
Get to work.
Some examples:
@kstatesports Chris Cosh has the worst defense since Colin Ferguson.
@kstatesports Chris Cosh's coverage is more costly than COBRA.
@kstatesports Emmanuel Lamur, will you please call OSHA? It's obvious Chris Cosh doesn't know anything about safety standards.
@kstatesports Chris Cosh should send his resume to British Petroleum, they don't mind if you can't plug holes.
@kstatesports Chris Cosh runs a nickel defense? Psh, more like a Somaliland shilling defense, amiright? http://tinyurl.com/6ed3x6
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:lol:
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The guy has to go. Even he knows it now.
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You mean a banner that says: "Thank you for putting us in possession to be tied with the #17 team in the country (on the road) at halftime?" Warm up the banner machine!!
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I am sort of a Snyder proponent, but he just pisses me off sometimes. I mean everyone in America knows that Coffman shouldn't play, but Snyder puts him in anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if Snyder puts Coffman in to start the second half just to prove that he is a dips--t. I remember that everyone said we had a 5 star linebacker that was a bust (I think Marvin Simmons), but Snyder had to put him in for some downs in a Oklahoma game and he lit some people up. Our defense looked good with him in, and I am sure that pissed Snyder off.
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This team could realistically end up 9-3 (probably 8-4) and people are complaining about the coach. You've got to be kidding.
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I am sort of a Snyder proponent, but he just pisses me off sometimes. I mean everyone in America knows that Coffman shouldn't play, but Snyder puts him in anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if Snyder puts Coffman in to start the second half just to prove that he is a dips--t. I remember that everyone said we had a 5 star linebacker that was a bust (I think Marvin Simmons), but Snyder had to put him in for some downs in a Oklahoma game and he lit some people up. Our defense looked good with him in, and I am sure that pissed Snyder off.
Snyder put Coffman in because we had no timeouts and a lot of yardage to go to score before the half. We would have run the clock out running the ball with Klein.
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Coffman did have some nice passes and marched us down to the 1. The decision to put him in for that series was a sound one.
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can someone chart the short side option audibles?
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Back to Back personal fouls. This is not a disciplined team.
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You talking about the 10 yd deep pitch to the FB? :yuck:
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Back to Back personal fouls. This is not a disciplined team.
Snyder is a fart eater.
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I think we keep checking into those because Mizzou keeps blitzing from the long side of the field. crap is really pissing me off though.
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I think we keep checking into those because Mizzou keeps blitzing from the long side of the field. crap is really pissing me off though.
Did I just see another one of those?
Yes, KK. Yes you did.
Bill, why don't you write yourself a hand-written note. One that has a step back option throw out of that look. One that has a bubble screen audible. Something. Anything. eff.
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Has a short side option ever gained positive yards?
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Has a short side option ever gained positive yards?
I think Bill only watches film of Bishop or something. Really no telling.
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Bill has to go. Bill has caused this loss. It is ours to take but Bill does everything in his power to assure we don't.
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Bill has to go. Bill has caused this loss. It is ours to take but Bill does everything in his power to assure we don't.
I am now turning the game off and playing FIFA 11.
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Bill has to go. Bill has caused this loss. It is ours to take but Bill does everything in his power to assure we don't.
I am now turning the game off and playing FIFA 11.
You are not an EMAW.
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This is an extremely poorly coached team. Turnovers, stupid penalties, bad play calling. Pinkel putting a clown suit on Bill.
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This is an extremely poorly coached team. Turnovers, stupid penalties, bad play calling. Pinkel putting a clown suit on Bill.
yeah, it's terribly sad to watch
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Colorado looking decent vs. ISU in Boulder.
When we lose to CU..... :goodbyecruelworld:
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lol, we could get 8 wins with one of the worst rushing defenses in america
that's so unheard of it's not even funny, yet people bitch :lol:
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lol, we could get 8 wins with one of the worst rushing defenses in america
that's so unheard of it's not even funny, yet people bitch :lol:
Good coached game today iyo?
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Does Snyder know you are allowed to make adjustments at halftime?
Amazing halftime adjustments by Pinkel. :frown:
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This team could realistically end up 9-3 (probably 8-4) and people are complaining about the coach. You've got to be kidding.
probably 7-5 doucher
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This team could realistically end up 9-3 (probably 8-4) and people are complaining about the coach. You've got to be kidding.
have you ever been to goEMAW before?
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lol, we could get 8 wins with one of the worst rushing defenses in america
that's so unheard of it's not even funny, yet people bitch :lol:
Good coached game today iyo?
we're getting beat because:
- mizzou has a really good defensive line
- our defense sucks, which we've known since march
- we've made some Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) mistakes
I really don't know what people expect when we've lost two of our best WRs, our change of pace RB, a lot of our defense (which sucked to begin with), our only QB that can even throw a little bit is hurt
snyder was a great coach, maybe still is, but it's not fair to jump all over him for this loss (imo), that said I won't try and stop anyone cuz this america (free speech, etc)
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lol, we could get 8 wins with one of the worst rushing defenses in america
that's so unheard of it's not even funny, yet people bitch :lol:
Good coached game today iyo?
we're getting beat because:
- mizzou has a really good defensive line
- our defense sucks, which we've known since march
- we've made some Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) mistakes
I really don't know what people expect when we've lost two of our best WRs, our change of pace RB, a lot of our defense (which sucked to begin with), our only QB that can even throw a little bit is hurt
snyder was a great coach, maybe still is, but it's not fair to jump all over him for this loss (imo), that said I won't try and stop anyone cuz this america (free speech, etc)
we're not getting beat. we're getting prison raped.
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Good coaches can have bad games, imo. This is one of those.
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lol, we could get 8 wins with one of the worst rushing defenses in america
that's so unheard of it's not even funny, yet people bitch :lol:
Good coached game today iyo?
we're getting beat because:
- mizzou has a really good defensive line
- our defense sucks, which we've known since march
- we've made some Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) mistakes
I really don't know what people expect when we've lost two of our best WRs, our change of pace RB, a lot of our defense (which sucked to begin with), our only QB that can even throw a little bit is hurt
snyder was a great coach, maybe still is, but it's not fair to jump all over him for this loss (imo), that said I won't try and stop anyone cuz this america (free speech, etc)
as chingon noted, no coach that will ever coach at KSU will get these kinds of excuses made for them. eff LHC Bill Snyder. He gets no free passes from me.
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lol, we could get 8 wins with one of the worst rushing defenses in america
that's so unheard of it's not even funny, yet people bitch :lol:
Good coached game today iyo?
we're getting beat because:
- mizzou has a really good defensive line
- our defense sucks, which we've known since march
- we've made some Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) mistakes
I really don't know what people expect when we've lost two of our best WRs, our change of pace RB, a lot of our defense (which sucked to begin with), our only QB that can even throw a little bit is hurt
snyder was a great coach, maybe still is, but it's not fair to jump all over him for this loss (imo), that said I won't try and stop anyone cuz this america (free speech, etc)
as chingon noted, no coach that will ever coach at KSU will get these kinds of excuses made for them. eff LHC Bill Snyder. He gets no free passes from me.
I mean I'm not happy about it or anything, don't get me wrong
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JTKSU, why did you leave? Come back and spread the Bill gospel. Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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lol, we could get 8 wins with one of the worst rushing defenses in america
that's so unheard of it's not even funny, yet people bitch :lol:
Good coached game today iyo?
we're getting beat because:
- mizzou has a really good defensive line
- our defense sucks, which we've known since march
- we've made some Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) mistakes
I really don't know what people expect when we've lost two of our best WRs, our change of pace RB, a lot of our defense (which sucked to begin with), our only QB that can even throw a little bit is hurt
snyder was a great coach, maybe still is, but it's not fair to jump all over him for this loss (imo), that said I won't try and stop anyone cuz this america (free speech, etc)
as chingon noted, no coach that will ever coach at KSU will get these kinds of excuses made for them. eff LHC Bill Snyder. He gets no free passes from me.
I mean I'm not happy about it or anything, don't get me wrong
You are giving Bill a free pass. You know that. I know that. Call it what it is. No other coach would get that treatment from you.
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lol, we could get 8 wins with one of the worst rushing defenses in america
that's so unheard of it's not even funny, yet people bitch :lol:
Good coached game today iyo?
we're getting beat because:
- mizzou has a really good defensive line
- our defense sucks, which we've known since march
- we've made some Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) mistakes
I really don't know what people expect when we've lost two of our best WRs, our change of pace RB, a lot of our defense (which sucked to begin with), our only QB that can even throw a little bit is hurt
snyder was a great coach, maybe still is, but it's not fair to jump all over him for this loss (imo), that said I won't try and stop anyone cuz this america (free speech, etc)
as chingon noted, no coach that will ever coach at KSU will get these kinds of excuses made for them. eff LHC Bill Snyder. He gets no free passes from me.
I mean I'm not happy about it or anything, don't get me wrong
You are giving Bill a free pass. You know that. I know that. Call it what it is. No other coach would get that treatment from you.
deb patterson does, but only because I'm excited by the prospect of lesbians
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Will buy
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It's never gonna happen, so don't even bother.
Change it to "retire"
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I wouldn't buy. He has until 3/4 into next year.
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make a "HIRE JIM LEAVITT" shirt.
a more positive message
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make a "HIRE JIM LEAVITT" shirt.
a more positive message
A more idiotic message. :flush:
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Good coaches can have bad games, imo. This is one of those.
He had a terrible quarter or so. The 2 qb plan was fine, and I expected it. But it went south with the mistake before half, in which IMHO the wrong guy was in. Those types of mistakes trend to compound themselves in games like this, and a whiffed block and stupid gadget pay later and you arte looking at a blow out. No doubt a half dozen very bad Snyder decisions was a major reason for this loss, but I don't fire him for them. If you want to I can understand though.
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I just wish he had good assistants. We can't tell him to fire his shitty DC, because we know that won't happen.
I think he made a mistake by not bringing Klien back in to sneak from the 1, because everyone knew we were already running anyways.
Still think he has done a remarkable job this year with this team he has. Only blatant mistake has been QB decisions.
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Talking point #7 in the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) handbook.
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I just wish he had good assistants. We can't tell him to fire his shitty DC, because we know that won't happen.
That is 100% his fault and the reason he has cost us bowl trips and many wins his last 3 seasons here. The fact that we are bowling (hopefully) this season is great, but 1 bowl in the last 4 Snyder seasons is not acceptable to me and shouldn't be acceptable to anyone else. Why he gets a free pass by everyone is beyond me.
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Bad day at the nursing home all around. The bed pan is literally overflowing with cac.
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I just wish he had good assistants. We can't tell him to fire his shitty DC, because we know that won't happen.
I think he made a mistake by not bringing Klien back in to sneak from the 1, because everyone knew we were already running anyways.
Still think he has done a remarkable job this year with this team he has. Only blatant mistake has been QB decisions.
Remarkable? He beat a horrid KU team, a mediocre ISU team, and a Texas team that let him just run the ball the whole game. Pretty remarkable.
If K-State goes 8-4 this year, it will be the most smoke and mirrors "good" season since KU in 2007.
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I just wish he had good assistants. We can't tell him to fire his cacty DC, because we know that won't happen.
I think he made a mistake by not bringing Klien back in to sneak from the 1, because everyone knew we were already running anyways.
Still think he has done a remarkable job this year with this team he has. Only blatant mistake has been QB decisions.
Remarkable? He beat a horrid KU team, a mediocre ISU team, and a Texas team that let him just run the ball the whole game. Pretty remarkable.
If K-State goes 8-4 this year, it will be the most smoke and mirrors "good" season since KU in 2007.
yeah, the big 12 sucked.
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def taking adv of a very down big 12
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I just wish he had good assistants. We can't tell him to fire his shitty DC, because we know that won't happen.
I think he made a mistake by not bringing Klien back in to sneak from the 1, because everyone knew we were already running anyways.
Still think he has done a remarkable job this year with this team he has. Only blatant mistake has been QB decisions.
Remarkable? He beat a horrid KU team, a mediocre ISU team, and a Texas team that let him just run the ball the whole game. Pretty remarkable.
If K-State goes 8-4 this year, it will be the most smoke and mirrors "good" season since KU in 2007.
I hate to agree, I really do, but we have only beaten 1 team with a winning record this year.
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This has been done of the better goEMAW melting down for quite some time.
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Thus had been done of the better goEMAW melting down fire quite some time.
yeah, very good melting down today. has been very fun.
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This has been done of the better goEMAW melting down for quite some time.
yeah.
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lol @ Snyder calling timeouts.
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and yet everything that happened today was completely expected.
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OB calling timeouts with 28 seconds left and no chance
jfc, old bastard. they can't "get experience" from the other team downing it.
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pffft. :lol:
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glad that bill called those 2 timeouts so that he could get the ball to jtksu's hero B. Wilson. :jerk:
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love the old bastard.
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love the old bastard.
You know who else I loved? Old Yeller
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love the old bastard.
You know who else I loved? Old Yeller
pfffffffffft
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I don't hate Bill yet because our other options might be worse, but I am tired of Coffman. He turns the ball over. I doubt he can even pass today if Collin Klein didn't come in and change the way Missouri attack us. The thing is that Klein opens up the run so much that he gets to make easy passes. If Snyder hates people that turn the ball over then why does Carson get a free pass. I saw Klein make a nice longer pass. If he gets some time to get his nervousness out, he could be really good. If Snyder stays with Coffman I will turn the next game off. I am tired of Bill playing his little B----. Coffman sucks, and he slurs his S's like he should play at KU with their little boys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just prefer people that slur S's stay at KU.
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I don't hate Bill yet because our other options might be worse, but I am tired of Coffman. He turns the ball over. I doubt he can even pass today if Collin Klein didn't come in and change the way Missouri attack us. The thing is that Klein opens up the run so much that he gets to make easy passes. If Snyder hates people that turn the ball over then why does Carson get a free pass. I saw Klein make a nice longer pass. If he gets some time to get his nervousness out, he could be really good. If Snyder stays with Coffman I will turn the next game off. I am tired of Bill playing his little B----. Coffman sucks, and he slurs his S's like he should play at KU with their little boys. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just prefer people that slur S's stay at KU.
wut
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I just wish he had good assistants. We can't tell him to fire his shitty DC, because we know that won't happen.
I think he made a mistake by not bringing Klien back in to sneak from the 1, because everyone knew we were already running anyways.
Still think he has done a remarkable job this year with this team he has. Only blatant mistake has been QB decisions.
Remarkable? He beat a horrid KU team, a mediocre ISU team, and a Texas team that let him just run the ball the whole game. Pretty remarkable.
If K-State goes 8-4 this year, it will be the most smoke and mirrors "good" season since KU in 2007.
I hate to agree, I really do, but we have only beaten 1 team with a winning record this year.
Ok, remarkable, maybe not... But what game did we lose that we were expected to, or should have, won? :dunno: You cannot say we lost any game we should have won, or were expected to win.
That's what Bill has been pretty consistent in doing most of his career.
I just wish he had good assistants. We can't tell him to fire his shitty DC, because we know that won't happen.
That is 100% his fault and the reason he has cost us bowl trips and many wins his last 3 seasons here. The fact that we are bowling (hopefully) this season is great, but 1 bowl in the last 4 Snyder seasons is not acceptable to me and shouldn't be acceptable to anyone else. Why he gets a free pass by everyone is beyond me.
It is his fault. I'm saying I wish he hired good assistants.
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It is his fault. I'm saying I wish he hired good assistants.
But you said, "We can't tell him to fire his shitty DC because we know he won't happen" eff that, we absolutely do tell him to. We tell him we are going to fire his ass if he doesn't clean house and get better. He works for us. Don't forget that.
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can you imagine the uproar if Snyder is fired.
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can you imagine the uproar if Snyder is fired.
murmur
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It is his fault. I'm saying I wish he hired good assistants.
But you said, "We can't tell him to fire his shitty DC because we know he won't happen" eff that, we absolutely do tell him to. We tell him we are going to fire his ass if he doesn't clean house and get better. He works for us. Don't forget that.
But whatevs, he won't.
His name is on the stadium. Not even worth talking about. I wish he didn't get a free pass, but he does... so I debate how to deal with that fact. Which is, I wish he hired good assistants to begin with.
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It is his fault. I'm saying I wish he hired good assistants.
But you said, "We can't tell him to fire his shitty DC because we know he won't happen" eff that, we absolutely do tell him to. We tell him we are going to fire his ass if he doesn't clean house and get better. He works for us. Don't forget that.
But whatevs, he won't.
His name is on the stadium. Not even worth talking about. I wish he didn't get a free pass, but he does... so I debate how to deal with that fact. Which is, I wish he hired good assistants to begin with.
This is the attitude that is going to destroy our program. Nothing is out of our hands. The inmates do not run the asylum. Everyone is accountable.
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Steve Dave is getting serious. crap's about to get real! :ck:
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It is his fault. I'm saying I wish he hired good assistants.
But you said, "We can't tell him to fire his shitty DC because we know he won't happen" eff that, we absolutely do tell him to. We tell him we are going to fire his ass if he doesn't clean house and get better. He works for us. Don't forget that.
But whatevs, he won't.
His name is on the stadium. Not even worth talking about. I wish he didn't get a free pass, but he does... so I debate how to deal with that fact. Which is, I wish he hired good assistants to begin with.
This is the attitude that is going to destroy our program. Nothing is out of our hands. The inmates do not run the asylum. Everyone is accountable.
Going to?
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Dudes, after we end up 8-4 and get done with our bowl game, we should totally fire Bill. I mean, come on guy, HOF coaches grow on trees. If the history of this program shows us anything, it's that good coaches will line-up to be here and that another DoD is always just around the corner...
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Dudes, after we end up 8-4 and get done with our bowl game, we should totally fire Bill. I mean, come on guy, HOF coaches grow on trees. If the history of this program shows us anything, it's that good coaches will line-up to be here and that another DoD is always just around the corner...
There you are, I knew you'd come around.
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WE AREN'T 8-4 yet
:jerk:
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prolly end 6-6, and not even make a bowl
we suck
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Once again, Hemmy with the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) predictions. This has got to be a Ben sock, right? I mean, no one is really that stupid. Right?
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Once again, Hemmy with the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) predictions. This has got to be a Ben sock, right? I mean, no one is really that stupid. Right?
you can brag about 8-4 when we are 8-4.
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WE AREN'T 8-4 yet
:jerk:
He's thinking about basketball................maybe :driving:
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Good coaches can have bad games, imo. This is one of those.
He had a terrible quarter or so. The 2 qb plan was fine, and I expected it. But it went south with the mistake before half, in which IMHO the wrong guy was in. Those types of mistakes trend to compound themselves in games like this, and a whiffed block and stupid gadget pay later and you arte looking at a blow out. No doubt a half dozen very bad Snyder decisions was a major reason for this loss, but I don't fire him for them. If you want to I can understand though.
We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have the wrong personnel on the field at the wrong time.
We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have whiffed blocks.
We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have stupid unsuccessful gadget plays.
We hired Snyder so he could coach up our shitty recruits.
When he fails at everything we hired him to do, what should we do? :dunno:
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Good coaches can have bad games, imo. This is one of those.
He had a terrible quarter or so. The 2 qb plan was fine, and I expected it. But it went south with the mistake before half, in which IMHO the wrong guy was in. Those types of mistakes trend to compound themselves in games like this, and a whiffed block and stupid gadget pay later and you arte looking at a blow out. No doubt a half dozen very bad Snyder decisions was a major reason for this loss, but I don't fire him for them. If you want to I can understand though.
We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have the wrong personnel on the field at the wrong time.
We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have whiffed blocks.
We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have stupid unsuccessful gadget plays.
We hired Snyder so he could coach up our shitty recruits.
When he fails at everything we hired him to do, what should we do? :dunno:
don't be a tard :dunno:
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Good coaches can have bad games, imo. This is one of those.
He had a terrible quarter or so. The 2 qb plan was fine, and I expected it. But it went south with the mistake before half, in which IMHO the wrong guy was in. Those types of mistakes trend to compound themselves in games like this, and a whiffed block and stupid gadget pay later and you arte looking at a blow out. No doubt a half dozen very bad Snyder decisions was a major reason for this loss, but I don't fire him for them. If you want to I can understand though.
We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have the wrong personnel on the field at the wrong time.
We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have whiffed blocks.
We hired Snyder so we wouldn't have stupid unsuccessful gadget plays.
We hired Snyder so he could coach up our shitty recruits.
When he fails at everything we hired him to do, what should we do? :dunno:
don't be a tard :dunno:
Educate me. What does Snyder do well? :dunno:
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I dunno Rusty. Maybe you could ask one of the gazillion people involved with college football (who actually get paid to cover the sport) that consider him to be one of the finest coaches ever? Sorry, bro, but a guy that hasn't said a positive anything about anything KSU football related since 2003 isn't exactly an unbiased source on Snyder. But I suppose all those people are wrong, have been wrong for over a decade, and you just uncovered one of the biggest conpsiracies in college football history? Either that or you're just a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). :dunno:
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I dunno Rusty. Maybe you could ask one of the gazillion people involved with college football (who actually get paid to cover the sport) that consider him to be one of the finest coaches ever? Sorry, bro, but a guy that hasn't said a positive anything about anything KSU football related since 2003 isn't exactly an unbiased source on Snyder. But I suppose all those people are wrong, have been wrong for over a decade, and you just uncovered one of the biggest conpsiracies in college football history? Either that or you're just a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). :dunno:
BOOOOOOOOOOM!
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As long as he beats KU our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) fan base will continue to support Snyder. Nevermind the fact that his winning % over the last 4 seasons he's coached at KSU is almost identical to Ron Prince. And Prince actually had to play good Texas teams and good KU teams. Bill gets the worst Texas team in over a decade and the Fighting Turner Gill's. Not to mention the terrible recruiting. I have no idea how anyone could give Snyder a pass at this point.
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You know what really blows . . . we could have won today.
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How is our recruitng terrible this year? Sams, Tuggle, Bryce, Arthur, Kennard, Meshak, Pease... Seems like we're adding some very nice talent. Also- we've played much of this season w/o our top 2 WRs. But that wouldn't make any difference on any other team in the country, would it? 8-4 with 70 scholarship players may well get Snyder another Big 12 COTY. Exactly who are we going to hire that would have done a better job this year? Tuberville was an awful popular choice to be our next HC. He sucks balls.
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we could have won today.
Exactly why this is going on.
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How is our recruitng terrible this year? Sams, Tuggle, Bryce, Arthur, Kennard, Meshak, Pease... Seems like we're adding some very nice talent. Also- we've played much of this season w/o our top 2 WRs. But that wouldn't make any difference on any other team in the country, would it? 8-4 with 70 scholarship players may well get Snyder another Big 12 COTY. Exactly who are we going to hire that would have done a better job this year? Tuberville was an awful popular choice to be our next HC. He sucks balls.
He beat Missouri :dunno:
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The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win. I think he's done that. I think the offense and special teams are solid despite a lack of depth and injuries. Defense is my biggest issue and I'm not a big fan of the scheme, but I can see some improvements there. Plus there is a real lack of playmaking talent over there, but I think that will be better. It was very disappointing that Snyder didn't land a qb last year, but I think that has been addressed. I think his staff has some holes, but I don't think it's as terrible as many make it out to be; adding Leavitt would improve it quite a bit as well. Snyder is doing pretty much as I expected so far so I'm not in some mode of thinking he should be fired. I'm sure this makes me some sort of tard or whatever.
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_FAN is like meltdown kryptonite
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Can a genius lose their genius?
Perhaps they were never a genius?
Care?
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_FAN is like meltdown kryptonite
I just want Snyder to build a consistent 7-8 win football program again that once in a while competes for a league title. I think he's doing that despite today's loss. Now, if we go and lose the next two weeks, even next week, I'll temper that quite a bit. But as of now we are actually better than I expected this year.
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I just want the next guy (not saying Bill needs to be run off today) to get a fair shot. That's all. And I think the groundwork for that has to be laid down now. If we as a fanbase excuse every weakness as "well no one could have done better" then the next coach is doomed from the start.
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If we as a fanbase excuse every weakness as "well no one could have done better" then the next coach is doomed from the start.
this is the theme for the day.
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The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win. I think he's done that. I think the offense and special teams are solid despite a lack of depth and injuries. Defense is my biggest issue and I'm not a big fan of the scheme, but I can see some improvements there. Plus there is a real lack of playmaking talent over there, but I think that will be better. It was very disappointing that Snyder didn't land a qb last year, but I think that has been addressed. I think his staff has some holes, but I don't think it's as terrible as many make it out to be; adding Leavitt would improve it quite a bit as well. Snyder is doing pretty much as I expected so far so I'm not in some mode of thinking he should be fired. I'm sure this makes me some sort of tard or whatever.
Agree with this. Considering my expectation this year with the level of talent in the program was 6-6, maybe 7-5 tops, with a bowl appearance, I'm not that dissatisfied in all actuality with where we are. When we lose to Colorado next week and beat North Texas, we'll be right probably where this program should be in year two under Snyder. It pisses me off that the expectations are that low, but they are what they are.
The dude is never going to lead us back to a Big XII Title in all likelihood. But, as much as I hate to say it, he is providing some structural stability and the program is making some strides in the right direction, albeit small strides. Recruiting has picked up slightly and the overall talent level through transfers is being elevated. Yes, the Big XII is down, but as you stated, we are winning the games we should be winning and we're opportunistic when we need to be for the most part.
Being mumped out of Patterson destroyed a tremendous opportunity for the program to be rebuilt properly, like Martin has in BBall, and to finally take the next step out of the Snyder shadow, but we can't cry over spilled milk. Snyder is who we've got and we're all in at this point. Yes, the expectations have been marginalized, but I'm willing to at least let this process for the next year to two years play out when he finally has a legitimate D-1 QB on the roster.
Cosh is a rough ridin' clown show, though. Gotta get Leavitt back in Manhattan.
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Turn out the lights, Bill.
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The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win. I think he's done that.
With all due respect, this is a horseshit basis for evaluation. You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win. (@ISU)
The only difference is the shittyness of KU during their tenures.
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Rusty, with all due respect, your FBIQ is roughly the same as an actual pile of horseshit.
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This thread makes me sad. :frown:
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Get used to it, 7-5, 8-4, with a mid-level bowl game is our ceiling with OB. Fitz, mumped out of anything more.
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LHC Bill Snyder has done nothing in this current regime that RP didn't do, good or bad. RP got fired.
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The day before the bowl game will be a blast.
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This thread is so dumb.
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LHC Bill Snyder has done nothing in this current regime that RP didn't do, good or bad. RP got fired.
He beat KU. That's enough for a lot of people.
Beating KU is plenty of progress, even though they have their worst team in 8 years.
Beating ISU is plenty of progress, even though they're not going bowling.
Beating Texas is plenty of progress, even though they have their worst team in 13 years.
Beating Colorado (assuming we do) is plenty of progress, even though their coach has been fired because they're so crappy.
Hey, we can beat really sucky teams. So at least we're not as sucky as they are.
Never mind we looked like complete crap against a decent (not great) Mizzou team, a decent (not great) Nebraska team, and a decent (not great) Baylor team.
We've had a punter on the field for every single punt, and that's progress.
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This is the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thread ever
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10 pt loss @ the #17 team is something Ron would not have done. (Texas ownership aside.). And Nubb is great when the Mexican is healthy.
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10 pt loss @ the #17 team is something Ron would not have done. (Texas ownership aside.). And Nubb is great when the Mexican is healthy.
9/1/2007* 6:45 p.m. at #18 Auburn Jordan-Hare Stadium • Auburn, AL ESPN L 13-23 86,439
:lol: :lol:
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10/13/2007 6:05 p.m. at Oklahoma State #25 Boone Pickens Stadium • Stillwater, OK None L 31-41 41,725
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Guess Chings isn't good with math. 17<18 and 17>25. Lol Chings not being able to count to 25.
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Holy crap- the reason for shittiness of the CPU is suddenly so obvious. Lol!!
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:lol: so it your point is ONLY relevant for games when we played the EXACTLY RANKED #17 team on the road? How many times did Ron Prince even play in a game like that?
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The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win. I think he's done that.
With all due respect, this is a horseshit basis for evaluation. You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win. (@ISU)
The only difference is the shittyness of KU during their tenures.
most amazing post of the most amazing thread of the year
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Recruiting/transferring is better under LHC Bill Snyder.
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I said Ronny never beat a #17 team on the road. (Outside of Texas.). You countered with results against a #18 and a #25. I could see if the results had been from games against teams ranked higher than #17. Why didn't you include every road win against every team? I mean, an unranked team is lower than a #17 team, right? Why stop at 25?
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I said Ronny never beat a #17 team on the road. (Outside of Texas.). You countered with results against a #18 and a #25. I could see if the results had been from games against teams ranked higher than #17. Why didn't you include every road win against every team? I mean, an unranked team is lower than a #17 team, right? Why stop at 25?
10 pt loss @ the #17 team is something Ron would not have done. (Texas ownership aside.). And Nubb is great when the Mexican is healthy.
:dunno: I guess I don't see the huge difference between losing to the #18 and #17 team? Sorry I just don't!
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Once again, I see whuy the CPU is such a POS. What's one ranking mean, right?
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The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win. I think he's done that.
With all due respect, this is a horsecac basis for evaluation. You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win. (@ISU)
The only difference is the cactyness of KU during their tenures.
most amazing post of the most amazing thread of the year
KU is the measuring stick for 97% of the fanbase, and 100% of the fanbase that has the AD's ear.
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Pretty sure we're the only team in the country that measures overall success with win/losses against their rival. KSU is such a POS program. rough ridin' embarrassing to even consider myself a fan these days.
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Pretty sure we're the only team in the country that measures overall success with win/losses against their rival. KSU is such a POS program. rough ridin' embarrassing to even consider myself a fan these days.
please stop being a fan. we all rough ridin' hate you and your neverending shitty posts anyway.
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LHC Bill Snyder has done nothing in this current regime that RP didn't do, good or bad. RP got fired.
didnt snyder beat ku? i dont remember ron prince doing that....
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LHC Bill Snyder has done nothing in this current regime that RP didn't do, good or bad. RP got fired.
didnt snyder beat ku? i dont remember ron prince doing that....
Point Plank'r.
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I dunno Rusty. Maybe you could ask one of the gazillion people involved with college football (who actually get paid to cover the sport) that consider him to be one of the finest coaches ever? Sorry, bro, but a guy that hasn't said a positive anything about anything KSU football related since 2003 isn't exactly an unbiased source on Snyder. But I suppose all those people are wrong, have been wrong for over a decade, and you just uncovered one of the biggest conpsiracies in college football history? Either that or you're just a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). :dunno:
Yes. they are wrong. "Bill was a "great" coach when he had the bob stoops (left after '95), Leavitt (left after '95), M. Stoops, Venables, Mangino (all left after '98). Once those guys were out of the system and the residual effects of those coaches and their recruiting wore off, and the retards that Snyder replaced those guys with (who we basically have on the staff now) got ahold of the program, bill's "coaching" came shining through with those awesome '04, '05 seasons...and followed up by '09 and this season.
You can't simply dismiss '04 and '05 and just start counting from last year. I'm taking into account the previous years prior to '04/'05 and giving you a reason for the success and the reason for the failure. You're simply saying "hey geyse, we were good because of snyder", without even thinking about why were good when we were good. It wasn't just about Bill. He didn't do it alone and can't do it alone. And he got a "do-over" yet he still brought back those cacty coaches.
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I'm assuming that we can't keep decent coordinators around for very long any more because of LHC Bill Snyder. Andy Ludwig got just a taste of Bill and chose to go to Cal, after only 2 months here, and for the same exact position he took here. Tards thought OB just wanted to look at his playbook. Yeah, right. The guy bolted because Snyder is hard to work with.
Vic Koenning turned our defense around. 118th ranked total defense is what he inherited. In only one season, we jumped like 80 spots defensively. I don't know what went on behind closed doors, but Vic left very quickly to take a full-time defensive coordinator job at Illinois, Cosh then becomes full-time defensive coordinator here, and now we suck again. Hmmm.....IMO, either Koenning wanted more than he was getting, or Snyder believed Cosh was better. Who knows??
These examples really piss me the eff off. As long as OB's around, the future of our program is being held hostage.
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Pretty clear the Zacker is about 19 yrs old and the other guy is Mexican. Possibly an illegal Mexican.
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Soo....everyone still wants Ron Prince as our coach? got it.
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Soo....everyone still wants Ron Prince as our coach? got it.
Minds are made up on Snyder. It is what it is, I can understand the frustration.
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ksu fans :lol:
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With all due respect, this is a horsecac basis for evaluation. You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win. (@ISU)
The only difference is the cactyness of KU during their tenures.
This isn't my basis long term of a good football program, but given K-State football since 2004, it was a step I wanted to see. I don't think that's a poor evaluation given the talent level of our program. You've got to start by beating the .500 or worse teams, teams with similar or worse talent, before you move on to bigger and better things. JMHO.
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Soo....everyone still wants Ron Prince as our coach? got it.
are you f'ing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? because I don't want a punch in the gut doesn't mean I want a punch in the nuts. i want a good coach with good assistants and if possible, I'd like for that coach not to use as a recruiting tool for everyone else that he's not sure when he's going to retire but he won't be doing this too long.
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You've got to start by beating the .500 or worse teams, teams with similar or worse talent, before you move on to bigger and better things. JMHO.
I'm pretty sure Ron was doing that when we fired him.
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With all due respect, this is a horsecac basis for evaluation. You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win. (@ISU)
The only difference is the cactyness of KU during their tenures.
This isn't my basis long term of a good football program, but given K-State football since 2004, it was a step I wanted to see. I don't think that's a poor evaluation given the talent level of our program. You've got to start by beating the .500 or worse teams, teams with similar or worse talent, before you move on to bigger and better things. JMHO.
not a bad evaluation, Ron had 2 losses to .500 or worse teams every year in his tenure, bill had 2 last year (UL and UCLA - they were 6-6 until they won their bowl game). This year he's had none of those losses (with two of those crappy teams remaining - CU and UNT).
the problem is that there is no "long term", at least under bill (unless he's going to stay until he dies). so this is all pointless. there's not guarantee of success when the baton is handed to the next guy, regardless of how many non-crappy teams bill didn't lose to. we're building for nothing with this coach.
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I'm pretty sure Ron was doing that when we fired him.
08 - 2 losses to <.500 teams.
07 - 2 losses to <.500 teams, 1 to a .500 team.
06 - 1 loss to <.500 team, 1 to a .500 team.
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jt and the powertards are happy? waters officially calm? was there ever any doubt?
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Soo....everyone still wants Ron Prince as our coach? got it.
I still want Ron Prince.
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A lot of KSTATEO in this thread. A WHOLE LOT
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Soo....everyone still wants Ron Prince as our coach? got it.
I want Brent Venables.
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I'm pretty sure Ron was doing that when we fired him.
08 - 2 losses to <.500 teams.
07 - 2 losses to <.500 teams, 1 to a .500 team.
06 - 1 loss to <.500 team, 1 to a .500 team.
I mean, praise jesus that ULL was 6-6 so we don't have to count that one. Like I said, the difference is KU.
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I want venebles too, IF he's got a staff hanpicked and ready to come.
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So is slightly better than Ron what we, as KSU fans, are shooting for here?
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So is slightly better than Ron what we, as KSU fans, are shooting for here?
At this point I'm just shooting for better. Whoever takes over in a few years will get a decent program. Not great, but decent.
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I WANT GREAT LIKE WE USED TO HAVE!
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I WANT GREAT LIKE WE USED TO HAVE!
Who doesn't?
But it isn't going to happen over night. And I don't expect it to happen during Snyder part 2. All I expected from Snyder 2 is fixing the mess the Prince made. I'll admit that Snyder 1 didn't leave Prince a bunch either, but Prince left nothing. IMHO Snyder is at least building this thing back up to a level where a decent coach will be attracted to the program when he is done. It ridiculous we are currently at 70 scholarship players. But we are getting better local kids and some decent recruits from elsewhere and JUCOs now. We are at least putting together a serviceable roster right now and still fielding a decent football team.
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why settle for an eight year rebuilding project? kstateo special cicumstances to deal with?
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why settle for an eight year rebuilding project? kstateo special cicumstances to deal with?
it's year 2 dipshit
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_FAN, what you would you set as the benchmarks/timetable for the Snyder project?
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:lynchmob:
_FAN, what you would you set as the benchmarks/timetable for the Snyder project?
I hope he decides to re-retire after next year or the year after. That's plenty of time.
I'm also still hopeful bringing in Leavitt as DC is still on the table.
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The real problem that we both seem to be squabbling over is the complete lack of a direction for the program.
LHC Bill Snyder has his name on the stadium. Prince was a terrible coach, but LHC Bill Snyder did him no favors during his time here. Further, Bill has people inside the athletic department (it starts with his son) that he has chosen to protect and elevate to an "untouchable" status. He backed up his word by stepping down on this front.
LHC Bill Snyder's age is no secret, and if he tells the truth as much as Leland, he is here to "calm the waters" and then dock his boat. This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable. What the hell is a yes/no benchmark for whether Bill gets to say. As sick as it is, only he could set the terms at the outset and I know of nothing that would change that outside of KU getting better. We have created a situation where we feel so beholden to Bill, that we have sacrificed any planning for the future to live in a kind of nihilist nostalgia. There is no plan. There is no planning, because Bill is once again at the helm and he will remain there until he decides he will leave or until he is forced out by the powers that be.
Bill was the head coach during a wonderful time for many of us. He did some amazing things and he deserves recognition and praise for the accomplishments that he guided the team to.
But the myopic worship of Bill will prevent any semblance of proportionality, and make no mistake, the history has already been written. Any facts past or present to the contrary are dismissed because they do not fit the narrative.
What is there to root for at this juncure? I am in no position to know. If we can leverage a consistent bowl team in to a good hire, then that would be for the best and would be great. If we lose and Bill retires I don't know the outcome would be much different. Ultimately, Mr. Currie will have to stand up to Bill and Jack to make a decision that is best for the University.
But I won't send my money to support this quagmire. Snyder has been very selfish towards the end of his career. I don't think that he has put Kansas State first, I think he has placed his ego ahead. I know that he missed the game, that he heard from his friends and his colleagues and that he thought he was doing what was right. But Kansas State needs to move on. I don't know how much longer Bill can coach, but unless there is a legitimate Head Coach in Waiting brought in for next year, then this miserable slog will march on. With everyone lying to themselves and hoping for what once was. If Bill wins 10 games it would be wonderful.
But then what would we say when he asked for more time? Or if he demands that his son stay on to transition the program over? Or if he wants to bring in an old friend for the job because he "understands what it takes?"
The divorce needs to happen because Kansas State Football can no longer be synonymous with LHC Bill Snyder. For both our sakes. Here's hoping it is amicable for both parties. Relax Bill, you've earned it.
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:star: :star: :star: :star: :star: KK
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interesting looking back at the 2007 recruiting class. there's nobody worth a crap from there. kind of the same with 2008.
looking forward to next year, when we see how the 2009 class pans out, and with the browns + brod + poss juco help! :excited:
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looking forward to next year, when we see how the 2009 class pans out, and with the browns + brod + poss juco help! :excited:
This will be nice
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Pus we have QB help coming next year.
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This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable.
This is why I can't get excited about KSU football right now.
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why settle for an eight year rebuilding project? kstateo special cicumstances to deal with?
it's year 2 dipshit
how long will snyder be here? how long do we let the next coach be mediocre? look at chizik in year two. you don't need a long term plan.
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Anyone calling for BS to be fired is a moron. Had we hired Nick Saban 2 years ago, you same people would be saying "Saban's doing a great job with the pile of crap left for him by RP. Give him time to get the mess cleaned up and get his players in here." If you judge BS on simply what he has done the past 1.5 years (without bringing in your biases from BS circa 2005) he has done a damn fine job. That said, I too know that Bill's days are clearly numbered and would love to see Patterson (or similar) running the show. Whoever is brought in, I will give them more than 1.5 years before I start calling for their heads.
why settle for an eight year rebuilding project? kstateo special cicumstances to deal with?
it's year 2 dipshit
how long will snyder be here? how long do we let the next coach be mediocre? look at chizik in year two. you don't need a long term plan.
Chizek in year 2? LOL...hohw was Chizek in year 2 at ISU? Maybe it's les about coaching ability and has something to do with what's left in the cupboard (or what was purchased at the store by rich alumuni)
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This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable.
This is why I can't get excited about KSU football right now.
The problem is you can't define an exit plan beyond a year. If you do, your recruiting is DOA. But Bill's kind of said that he was just here to calm the waters and he's old balls, so he kind of mumped himself that way, too.
What Bill is doing right now is not any better than what a ton of coaches 20-30 years younger could have done. The differences is with those guys, you can have a REAL long term system in place. With Bill, we're 2-3 years from Prince 2.0, (which, luckily, is only slightly shittier than what we have now). That is my number one issue with Bill.
As for the 2 year thing, take a look at guys like Doug Marrone and Dan Mullen. Both took over crap jobs and have easily passed Bill.
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This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable.
This is why I can't get excited about KSU football right now.
The problem is you can't define an exit plan beyond a year.
Death?
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This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable.
This is why I can't get excited about KSU football right now.
The problem is you can't define an exit plan beyond a year.
Death?
We would get an amazing College Gameday video
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Marrone is 7-3 with 2 wins over FCS teams. How exactly is that much better than where we are? And the Big East rough ridin' sucks. While we were playing Mizzou they were playing Rutgers.
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Marrone is 7-3 with 2 wins over FCS teams. How exactly is that much better than where we are? And the Big East effing sucks. While we were playing Mizzou they were playing Rutgers.
The point is he took a shitty team out of absolute crap. Warranted the Big East is garbage this year.
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The real problem that we both seem to be squabbling over is the complete lack of a direction for the program.
LHC Bill Snyder has his name on the stadium. Prince was a terrible coach, but LHC Bill Snyder did him no favors during his time here. Further, Bill has people inside the athletic department (it starts with his son) that he has chosen to protect and elevate to an "untouchable" status. He backed up his word by stepping down on this front.
LHC Bill Snyder's age is no secret, and if he tells the truth as much as Leland, he is here to "calm the waters" and then dock his boat. This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable. What the hell is a yes/no benchmark for whether Bill gets to say. As sick as it is, only he could set the terms at the outset and I know of nothing that would change that outside of KU getting better. We have created a situation where we feel so beholden to Bill, that we have sacrificed any planning for the future to live in a kind of nihilist nostalgia. There is no plan. There is no planning, because Bill is once again at the helm and he will remain there until he decides he will leave or until he is forced out by the powers that be.
Bill was the head coach during a wonderful time for many of us. He did some amazing things and he deserves recognition and praise for the accomplishments that he guided the team to.
But the myopic worship of Bill will prevent any semblance of proportionality, and make no mistake, the history has already been written. Any facts past or present to the contrary are dismissed because they do not fit the narrative.
What is there to root for at this juncure? I am in no position to know. If we can leverage a consistent bowl team in to a good hire, then that would be for the best and would be great. If we lose and Bill retires I don't know the outcome would be much different. Ultimately, Mr. Currie will have to stand up to Bill and Jack to make a decision that is best for the University.
But I won't send my money to support this quagmire. Snyder has been very selfish towards the end of his career. I don't think that he has put Kansas State first, I think he has placed his ego ahead. I know that he missed the game, that he heard from his friends and his colleagues and that he thought he was doing what was right. But Kansas State needs to move on. I don't know how much longer Bill can coach, but unless there is a legitimate Head Coach in Waiting brought in for next year, then this miserable slog will march on. With everyone lying to themselves and hoping for what once was. If Bill wins 10 games it would be wonderful.
But then what would we say when he asked for more time? Or if he demands that his son stay on to transition the program over? Or if he wants to bring in an old friend for the job because he "understands what it takes?"
The divorce needs to happen because Kansas State Football can no longer be synonymous with LHC Bill Snyder. For both our sakes. Here's hoping it is amicable for both parties. Relax Bill, you've earned it.
DID READ
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This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable.
This is why I can't get excited about KSU football right now.
The problem is you can't define an exit plan beyond a year. If you do, your recruiting is DOA. But Bill's kind of said that he was just here to calm the waters and he's old balls, so he kind of mumped himself that way, too.
What Bill is doing right now is not any better than what a ton of coaches 20-30 years younger could have done. The differences is with those guys, you can have a REAL long term system in place. With Bill, we're 2-3 years from Prince 2.0, (which, luckily, is only slightly shittier than what we have now). That is my number one issue with Bill.
As for the 2 year thing, take a look at guys like Doug Marrone and Dan Mullen. Both took over crap jobs and have easily passed Bill.
Meh, you can be really coy about it. Like everyone thought with Koenning before he was run off.
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The real problem that we both seem to be squabbling over is the complete lack of a direction for the program.
LHC Bill Snyder has his name on the stadium. Prince was a terrible coach, but LHC Bill Snyder did him no favors during his time here. Further, Bill has people inside the athletic department (it starts with his son) that he has chosen to protect and elevate to an "untouchable" status. He backed up his word by stepping down on this front.
LHC Bill Snyder's age is no secret, and if he tells the truth as much as Leland, he is here to "calm the waters" and then dock his boat. This mission and exit plan are completely undefinable. What the hell is a yes/no benchmark for whether Bill gets to say. As sick as it is, only he could set the terms at the outset and I know of nothing that would change that outside of KU getting better. We have created a situation where we feel so beholden to Bill, that we have sacrificed any planning for the future to live in a kind of nihilist nostalgia. There is no plan. There is no planning, because Bill is once again at the helm and he will remain there until he decides he will leave or until he is forced out by the powers that be.
Bill was the head coach during a wonderful time for many of us. He did some amazing things and he deserves recognition and praise for the accomplishments that he guided the team to.
But the myopic worship of Bill will prevent any semblance of proportionality, and make no mistake, the history has already been written. Any facts past or present to the contrary are dismissed because they do not fit the narrative.
What is there to root for at this juncure? I am in no position to know. If we can leverage a consistent bowl team in to a good hire, then that would be for the best and would be great. If we lose and Bill retires I don't know the outcome would be much different. Ultimately, Mr. Currie will have to stand up to Bill and Jack to make a decision that is best for the University.
But I won't send my money to support this quagmire. Snyder has been very selfish towards the end of his career. I don't think that he has put Kansas State first, I think he has placed his ego ahead. I know that he missed the game, that he heard from his friends and his colleagues and that he thought he was doing what was right. But Kansas State needs to move on. I don't know how much longer Bill can coach, but unless there is a legitimate Head Coach in Waiting brought in for next year, then this miserable slog will march on. With everyone lying to themselves and hoping for what once was. If Bill wins 10 games it would be wonderful.
But then what would we say when he asked for more time? Or if he demands that his son stay on to transition the program over? Or if he wants to bring in an old friend for the job because he "understands what it takes?"
The divorce needs to happen because Kansas State Football can no longer be synonymous with LHC Bill Snyder. For both our sakes. Here's hoping it is amicable for both parties. Relax Bill, you've earned it.
LSAT
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UPKS is getting his new Presidential Suite even if someone has to die. If someone does have to die, lets make sure our resident powerespect is at the top of the list.
I am not worried that Snyder will be asked to move on sooner rather than later if things quit progressing entirely. The number of large donors they are going after far exceeds simply picking up the phone and calling Jack Vanier . . . Schulz has opened it up to everyone.
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Douche Cats.
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Douche Cats.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=173&f=2670&t=6711870
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The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win. I think he's done that.
With all due respect, this is a horseshit basis for evaluation. You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win. (@ISU)
The only difference is the shittyness of KU during their tenures.
I would add @Baylor, @NU during Callahan's last year, @Fresno State, and @Louisville. All of these games were on the road, but all of those teams were terrible, and they all blew us out. For me, the most frustrating thing about watching Ron Prince's teams were that his defense always sucked and he did nothing offensively to control the tempo of the game and help them out.
LHC Bill Snyder should not be fired after only 2 seasons. I expect progress, and if we don't get 9 wins next year, I will start to get impatient. Do I think that will happen? No. Do I think Snyder should be given a chance to make that happen? Yes.
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LHC Bill Snyder should not be fired after only 2 seasons. I expect progress, and if we don't get 9 wins next year, I will start to get impatient. Do I think that will happen? No. Do I think Snyder should be given a chance to make that happen? Yes.
Next year will be interesting, the schedule will be tough.
2011 K-State Football Schedule
September 3 Eastern Kentucky Manhattan, Kan.
September 10 Open
September 17 Kent State Manhattan, Kan.
September 24 at Miami Dolphins Stadium, Miami, Fla.
October 1 Baylor* Manhattan, Kan.
October 8 Missouri* Manhattan, Kan.
October 15 at Texas Tech* Lubbock, Texas
October 22 at Kansas* Lawrence, Kan.
October 29 Oklahoma* Manhattan, Kan.
November 5 at Oklahoma State* Stillwater, Okla.
November 12 Texas A&M* Manhattan, Kan.
November 19 at Texas* Austin, Texas
November 26 Iowa State* Manhattan, Kan.
8 wins will be a good season. In fact, back to back 8 win regular seasons/bowl appearances and a roster in much better shape would be a great way to hand over the reigns to the next guy.
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It's weird that people think we're a 9-win kind of program. We're a 7/8-win program with a chance at 10/11-win season every 3-4 years when our recruiting classes fall out just right. At best.
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It's weird that people think we're a 9-win kind of program. We're a 7/8-win program with a chance at 10/11-win season every 3-4 years when our recruiting classes fall out just right. At best.
Agreed.
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8 wins will be a good season. In fact, back to back 8 win regular seasons/bowl appearances and a roster in much better shape would be a great way to hand over the reigns to the next guy.
I was thinking the same thing. In 2011, we'd conceivably have a solid group of upperclassmen who have been grayshirted/redshirted, a senior QB in Tuggle and a redshirt soph QB in Sams. Seems like a good team to hand it off.
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It's weird that people think we're a 9-win kind of program. We're a 7/8-win program with a chance at 10/11-win season every 3-4 years when our recruiting classes fall out just right. At best.
We are with LHC Bill Snyder as head coach. I want to be a 10-11 win program like we used to be, and if it takes a different coach, so be it.
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it's wierd to think a legendary hall of fame coach would shart himself on the sideline costing his team a chance at a 9 win season.
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it's wierd to think a legendary hall of fame coach would shart himself on the sideline costing his team a chance at a 9 win season.
We still can win 9 games this season. I don't think anybody is counting bowl games toward win totals. I know we haven't played in them for a while, but JFC, guys, they count.
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It's weird that people think we're a 9-win kind of program. We're a 7/8-win program with a chance at 10/11-win season every 3-4 years when our recruiting classes fall out just right. At best.
We are with LHC Bill Snyder as head coach. I want to be a 10-11 win program like we used to be, and if it takes a different coach, so be it.
It will take a different coach and a heck of a lot of things coming together for this to happen again. Its only going to be more difficult in the new Big 12 as well. I would love for this to happen, but I don't know if 93-03 level football will ever happen again at K-State, at least not under the current college football establishment.
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It's weird that people think we're a 9-win kind of program. We're a 7/8-win program with a chance at 10/11-win season every 3-4 years when our recruiting classes fall out just right. At best.
We are with LHC Bill Snyder as head coach. I want to be a 10-11 win program like we used to be, and if it takes a different coach, so be it.
It will take a different coach and a heck of a lot of things coming together for this to happen again. Its only going to be more difficult in the new Big 12 as well. I would love for this to happen, but I don't know if 93-03 level football will ever happen again at K-State, at least not under the current college football establishment.
Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.
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The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win. I think he's done that.
With all due respect, this is a horseshit basis for evaluation. You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win. (@ISU)
The only difference is the shittyness of KU during their tenures.
I would add @Baylor, @NU during Callahan's last year, @Fresno State, and @Louisville. All of these games were on the road, but all of those teams were terrible, and they all blew us out. For me, the most frustrating thing about watching Ron Prince's teams were that his defense always sucked and he did nothing offensively to control the tempo of the game and help them out.
Fresno State was a 9-4 team. Can't count that. @NU? We should win? Really?
@UL was no worse than @UCLA, @BU involved a true freshman getting thrown to the wolves in the second half, and is clearly no worse than @ULL.
LHC Bill Snyder should not be fired after only 2 seasons. I expect progress, and if we don't get 9 wins next year, I will start to get impatient. Do I think that will happen? No. Do I think Snyder should be given a chance to make that happen? Yes.
I would like him to just step down. Unfortunately, I think he will stay until he dies and happily drive the program into the ground in an effort to cement his "only I can win here" status.
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The biggest thing I wanted Snyder to do was get us back to winning games we are supposed to win. I think he's done that.
With all due respect, this is a horseshit basis for evaluation. You could make the argument that RP only lost one game in his entire tenure that he was supposed to win. (@ISU)
The only difference is the shittyness of KU during their tenures.
I would add @Baylor, @NU during Callahan's last year, @Fresno State, and @Louisville. All of these games were on the road, but all of those teams were terrible, and they all blew us out. For me, the most frustrating thing about watching Ron Prince's teams were that his defense always sucked and he did nothing offensively to control the tempo of the game and help them out.
Fresno State was a 9-4 teamfrom the WAC. Can't count that. @NU? We should win? Really? Everyone else did.
@UL was no worse than @UCLA agreed, I never said losing at UCLA was acceptable, @BU involved a true freshman getting thrown to the wolves in the second half, and is clearly no worse than @ULL.No worse, but not any better.
LHC Bill Snyder should not be fired after only 2 seasons. I expect progress, and if we don't get 9 wins next year, I will start to get impatient. Do I think that will happen? No. Do I think Snyder should be given a chance to make that happen? Yes.
I would like him to just step down. Unfortunately, I think he will stay until he dies and happily drive the program into the ground in an effort to cement his "only I can win here" status.
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Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.
What makes you think this?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.
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Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.
What makes you think this?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.
I think that Mack Brown will step down after this season. If you add a win over Texas, and assume Leach continues to dominate the Big 12 north, he becomes a 9/10 win coach.
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Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.
What makes you think this?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.
I think that Mack Brown will step down after this season. If you add a win over Texas, and assume Leach continues to dominate the Big 12 north, he becomes a 9/10 win coach.
You think TX will be more vulnerable with Mack gone?
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Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.
What makes you think this?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.
I think that Mack Brown will step down after this season. If you add a win over Texas, and assume Leach continues to dominate the Big 12 north, he becomes a 9/10 win coach.
You think TX will be more vulnerable with Mack gone?
Historically, TX has only been good with Mack Brown or Darrell Royal as head coach. To think they will be better without Mack is laughable.
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Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.
What makes you think this?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.
I think that Mack Brown will step down after this season. If you add a win over Texas, and assume Leach continues to dominate the Big 12 north, he becomes a 9/10 win coach.
You think TX will be more vulnerable with Mack gone?
Historically, TX has only been good with Mack Brown or Darrell Royal as head coach. To think they will be better without Mack is laughable.
They have a huge pool of talent waiting to be picked from, they have a very active fan base, and they are rich as hell. TX will be the best opening in the nation when it needs a new coach. Don't be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.
What makes you think this?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.
I think that Mack Brown will step down after this season. If you add a win over Texas, and assume Leach continues to dominate the Big 12 north, he becomes a 9/10 win coach.
You think TX will be more vulnerable with Mack gone?
Historically, TX has only been good with Mack Brown or Darrell Royal as head coach. To think they will be better without Mack is laughable.
They have a huge pool of talent waiting to be picked from, they have a very active fan base, and they are rich as hell. TX will be the best opening in the nation when it needs a new coach. Don't be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
The new coach will be expected to be as good as Mack Brown, and will probably be fired after his third season. It is hard to win 11 games per season, no matter what school you are coaching. Nine or ten wins per year with the occasional 12 win season is not good enough at Texas, and the first 6 or 7 win season will get a coach fired.
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If everyone thinks we're a 7-8 win program (I don't disagree), why are we rough ridin' around with Snyder? I mean, Prince sucked, but it isn't like he made us a 2-3 win program. A bowl in two years isn't some kind of miracle turnaround we're dealing worth here.
They have a huge pool of talent waiting to be picked from, they have a very active fan base, and they are rich as hell. TX will be the best opening in the nation when it needs a new coach. Don't be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Exactly. They are like Notre Dame when Lou Holtz left and Florida when Spurrier left. No sweat!
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Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.
What makes you think this?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.
I think that Mack Brown will step down after this season. If you add a win over Texas, and assume Leach continues to dominate the Big 12 north, he becomes a 9/10 win coach.
You think TX will be more vulnerable with Mack gone?
Historically, TX has only been good with Mack Brown or Darrell Royal as head coach. To think they will be better without Mack is laughable.
If everyone thinks we're a 7-8 win program (I don't disagree), why are we effing around with Snyder? I mean, Prince sucked, but it isn't like he made us a 2-3 win program. A bowl in two years isn't some kind of miracle turnaround we're dealing worth here.
They have a huge pool of talent waiting to be picked from, they have a very active fan base, and they are rich as hell. TX will be the best opening in the nation when it needs a new coach. Don't be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Exactly. They are like Notre Dame when Lou Holtz left and Florida when Spurrier left. No sweat!
Weird. Some of you guys actually seem to be arguing from the viewpoint that KSU will find it easier to plug in a new coach and build a program than it is at Texas, Notre Dame and Florida.
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Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.
What makes you think this?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.
I think that Mack Brown will step down after this season. If you add a win over Texas, and assume Leach continues to dominate the Big 12 north, he becomes a 9/10 win coach.
You think TX will be more vulnerable with Mack gone?
Historically, TX has only been good with Mack Brown or Darrell Royal as head coach. To think they will be better without Mack is laughable.
If everyone thinks we're a 7-8 win program (I don't disagree), why are we effing around with Snyder? I mean, Prince sucked, but it isn't like he made us a 2-3 win program. A bowl in two years isn't some kind of miracle turnaround we're dealing worth here.
They have a huge pool of talent waiting to be picked from, they have a very active fan base, and they are rich as hell. TX will be the best opening in the nation when it needs a new coach. Don't be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Exactly. They are like Notre Dame when Lou Holtz left and Florida when Spurrier left. No sweat!
Weird. Some of you guys actually seem to be arguing from the viewpoint that KSU will find it easier to plug in a new coach and build a program than it is at Texas, Notre Dame and Florida.
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yeah that logic follows exactly :rolleyes:
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If everyone thinks we're a 7-8 win program (I don't disagree), why are we effing around with Snyder? I mean, Prince sucked, but it isn't like he made us a 2-3 win program. A bowl in two years isn't some kind of miracle turnaround we're dealing worth here.
They have a huge pool of talent waiting to be picked from, they have a very active fan base, and they are rich as hell. TX will be the best opening in the nation when it needs a new coach. Don't be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Exactly. They are like Notre Dame when Lou Holtz left and Florida when Spurrier left. No sweat!
ND has other issues that don't apply to TX. Florida has been doing fine for a while now. I am not saying that there won't be two or three down seasons. That can and will happen anywhere, but the ceiling is much higher at TX than at KSU, and the rebound period should be very short, where KSU's could be twice as long.
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Mike Leach would be winning 10 games per year with the occasional 7 win season by year 4.
What makes you think this?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Leach, but he'd be an 8/9 win coach with an occasional double digit win season at K-State just like he was at Tech.
I think that Mack Brown will step down after this season. If you add a win over Texas, and assume Leach continues to dominate the Big 12 north, he becomes a 9/10 win coach.
You think TX will be more vulnerable with Mack gone?
Historically, TX has only been good with Mack Brown or Darrell Royal as head coach. To think they will be better without Mack is laughable.
If everyone thinks we're a 7-8 win program (I don't disagree), why are we effing around with Snyder? I mean, Prince sucked, but it isn't like he made us a 2-3 win program. A bowl in two years isn't some kind of miracle turnaround we're dealing worth here.
They have a huge pool of talent waiting to be picked from, they have a very active fan base, and they are rich as hell. TX will be the best opening in the nation when it needs a new coach. Don't be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Exactly. They are like Notre Dame when Lou Holtz left and Florida when Spurrier left. No sweat!
Weird. Some of you guys actually seem to be arguing from the viewpoint that KSU will find it easier to plug in a new coach and build a program than it is at Texas, Notre Dame and Florida.
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It is easier for KSU to plug in a coach 20 years younger than OB to match what OB has done his last 4 seasons than it is for UT to plug in a coach to match what Mack has done for the past 10 seasons.
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It's weird that people think we're a 9-win kind of program. We're a 7/8-win program with a chance at 10/11-win season every 3-4 years when our recruiting classes fall out just right. At best.
If the Big 12 were continuing with the 12 teams and division play, then 9-win seasons are an acceptable expectation with LHC Bill Snyder. You get your 4 freebies from the non-con, then you should be able to go 5-3 most years. Most years you should be better than at least 3 teams in the North, and then you need to pick up 2 wins out of the 5 remaining games. Not unreasonable with LHCBS, right?
With the new conference format, who knows how it will play out and what a reasonable expectation should be.
But back to the quote above. Part of the reason people are pissed is that this year should have been one of those chances at a 10/11 win season and a run at the conference championship. Big 12 is way, way down. We should have been competitive versus Nebraska and Mizzou. We should have defeated OSU at home.
We weren't in a position to do that because 5 years ago, and again 2 years ago, LHC Bill Snyder decided he was bigger than K-State. Coming off a 2003 conference championship, he allowed his assistant coaches to get lax and squander any momentum that should have been gained. Recruiting went downhill. The team on the field failed to execute like it should have. For crying out loud, they let the long snapper hike the ball to an invisible punter standing in the OU endzone.
When the AD told Snyder he needed to make changes for the good of the program, Snyder decided he was bigger than K-State and that he would retire instead of making changes that were obviously needed.
When the Ron Prince Experience came to its explosive end, K-State had a chance to acquire a coach who knows how to defend the spread, who is a part of the K-State family (not something I personally require but that a lot of our fans seem to want), and whose team is now contending for national championships. But at this point, Snyder once again put his interests ahead of K-State's, decided he wanted a second crack at going out the right way, and got back into the game.
To be fair, Snyder probably felt like this was in K-State's best interests, and an opportunity for him to restore the program to where it should have been had he made the appropriate personnel changes at the end of his first tenure. It started off okay...he was going to get young, hungry assistants who could recruit and had the energy to get the program winning again. Other top head coaches were going to funnel assistants and recruits our way. Andy Ludwig and Vic Koenning were good starts. Then Ludwig arrived at MHK, claimed his baggage, and immediately got on an outbound flight. Koenning gave us a year before hightailing it to Illinois, and suddenly, here we are again with the Assistant Coach All Stars who let to Snyder's first retirement.
Of course, those recruiting leads never really materialized (except for the transfers, which are good), so in a year of great opportunity, we were left with 2 QBs who, if combined, could make a pretty good starter, a small, slow-ish, not particularly intelligent defense, and those fantastic assistant coaches to whip it all into shape.
People who are upset with what looks to be an 8 win season are upset because, when taken in the macro view, it could have been much, much more. They're afraid that 8 wins will cover what are some serious deficiencies in coaching and playing personnel, so changes won't be made and the end result will be that we're back to where we were at the end of Snyder's first tenure: great years are not 10-11 wins; they're this year: 8 wins. Average years are 5-6 wins.
Hopefully, this time around it's different. Cosh gets demoted and a new DC/HCIW not named Sean Snyder is brought in for next year. The offensive recruits pan out and some defensive recruits are found and acquired. Given where we're at, that's about the best we can hope for, and with the right HCIW, it may give us a pretty good shot at laying the groundwork for a solid program long-term.
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If everyone thinks we're a 7-8 win program (I don't disagree), why are we effing around with Snyder? I mean, Prince sucked, but it isn't like he made us a 2-3 win program. A bowl in two years isn't some kind of miracle turnaround we're dealing worth here.
They have a huge pool of talent waiting to be picked from, they have a very active fan base, and they are rich as hell. TX will be the best opening in the nation when it needs a new coach. Don't be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Exactly. They are like Notre Dame when Lou Holtz left and Florida when Spurrier left. No sweat!
ND has other issues that don't apply to TX. Florida has been doing fine for a while now. I am not saying that there won't be two or three down seasons. That can and will happen anywhere, but the ceiling is much higher at TX than at KSU, and the rebound period should be very short, where KSU's could be twice as long.
How long did it take Alabama to rebound when Bear Bryant left? How long for USC to rebound when John McKay left? Washington has won 4 national championships. They're still good, right? Michigan hasn't missed a step since Lloyd Carr, either.
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It is easier for KSU to plug in a coach 20 years younger than OB to match what OB has done his last 4 seasons than it is for UT to plug in a coach to match what Mack has done for the past 10 seasons.
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I agree with this as far as immediate results.
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Guys, since a 12th game was added in 2006, 9 wins is the new 8. It just is not as impressive as it used to be. This year's team is terrible and still has a decent shot a 9 wins. I don't think it's that unrealistic to want a coach who will recruit decent talent and make us competitive enough to beat 3 patsies and beat our mediocre conference opponents.
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If everyone thinks we're a 7-8 win program (I don't disagree), why are we effing around with Snyder? I mean, Prince sucked, but it isn't like he made us a 2-3 win program. A bowl in two years isn't some kind of miracle turnaround we're dealing worth here.
They have a huge pool of talent waiting to be picked from, they have a very active fan base, and they are rich as hell. TX will be the best opening in the nation when it needs a new coach. Don't be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Exactly. They are like Notre Dame when Lou Holtz left and Florida when Spurrier left. No sweat!
ND has other issues that don't apply to TX. Florida has been doing fine for a while now. I am not saying that there won't be two or three down seasons. That can and will happen anywhere, but the ceiling is much higher at TX than at KSU, and the rebound period should be very short, where KSU's could be twice as long.
How long did it take Alabama to rebound when Bear Bryant left? How long for USC to rebound when John McKay left? Washington has won 4 national championships. They're still good, right? Michigan hasn't missed a step since Lloyd Carr, either.
Point made on the importance of a coach. However, that still doesn't explain why they should count as an extra win on KSU's schedule if we both switch coaches in the near future.
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If everyone thinks we're a 7-8 win program (I don't disagree), why are we effing around with Snyder? I mean, Prince sucked, but it isn't like he made us a 2-3 win program. A bowl in two years isn't some kind of miracle turnaround we're dealing worth here.
They have a huge pool of talent waiting to be picked from, they have a very active fan base, and they are rich as hell. TX will be the best opening in the nation when it needs a new coach. Don't be Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Exactly. They are like Notre Dame when Lou Holtz left and Florida when Spurrier left. No sweat!
ND has other issues that don't apply to TX. Florida has been doing fine for a while now. I am not saying that there won't be two or three down seasons. That can and will happen anywhere, but the ceiling is much higher at TX than at KSU, and the rebound period should be very short, where KSU's could be twice as long.
How long did it take Alabama to rebound when Bear Bryant left? How long for USC to rebound when John McKay left? Washington has won 4 national championships. They're still good, right? Michigan hasn't missed a step since Lloyd Carr, either.
Point made on the importance of a coach. However, that still doesn't explain why they should count as an extra win on KSU's schedule if we both switch coaches in the near future.
Most coaches, even good ones, simply have no answer for Mike Leach's offense. If I know that KSU is getting Leach and do not know who Texas is getting, I like Mike Leach. If Texas gets somebody like Pete Carroll (won't happen), then I would change my mind.
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But back to the quote above. Part of the reason people are pissed is that this year should have been one of those chances at a 10/11 win season and a run at the conference championship. Big 12 is way, way down. We should have been competitive versus Nebraska and Mizzou. We should have defeated OSU at home.
There are plenty of sound points there slimz, but this is a reach given the talent we have. Yeah, you could say it seems that way b/c we were in those games and had chances to win. But I'd argue those chances were much more due to coaching and putting kids in position to win over anything else. I won't argue that coaching mistakes were made in each game, but this staff took a team that is way below their scholarship limit, with few defensive playmakers, with no complete QB, with 2 of its best WRs out, etc. and had them arguably on the verge of a 10 win season. IMO in the end the more talented teams won out, and its hard to argue any of the teams that beat us have less talent than we do. Really, you have to look at this both ways. The truth is somewhere in between the "we are terribly coached and Snyder sucks" angle and "Snyder has done a hell of a job coaching this group up". It seems we've got to have it one way or the other when depending on what you look at both are probably true.
Saying "this team is terrible" is not accurate either. Is this team terrible compared to K-State 03 or 98 or whatever? Probably, but that shouldn't be the sole guage. Compared to college football this team is about where it should be, and comparing college football talent level and rosters, this team is maybe a bit better than it should be. There are tons of incomplete teams in college football, and this is another one of those. We have a decent offense (despite a clear QB), good special teams, and a bad defense. We are really limited with the playmakers we have, especially on defense, but also on offense. When you have that, most likely you are going to be a .500 or slightly above team.
I don't see how anyone is suprised by where we are at or that the season has gone the way it has. We've pretty much performed how someone would reasonably expect us to perform, and probably slightly better (1 win or so) than anyone here expected.
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I'm OK with what LHC Bill Snyder has done so far. The program was on a decline under Ron Prince, no doubt. Our recruiting was getting worse every year, and our conference record got worse every year:
7-6 (4-4)
5-7 (3-5)
5-7 (2-6) (Would've been a game worse overall if Krause hadn't blown $800,000 to buy out the Fresno State game.)
If KSU beats CU and UNT, I'd say Snyder has "calmed the waters." Recruiting has improved and we've gone 4-4 in conference each season -- which was Prince's highlight season. (Those who point to KU and UT getting worse, forget that NU, BU and OSU have gotten better.)
So, I just don't get the hate. Obviously, Snyder's not going to coach forever. And to say you expected 10 wins this season, with this team, is just nutty. Either people have unrealistic expectations for KSU to be a national power every year, or I'd have to guess that people are still just upset about 2004 and 2005...
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I'm OK with what LHC Bill Snyder has done so far. The program was on a decline under Ron Prince, no doubt. Our recruiting was getting worse every year, and our conference record got worse every year:
7-6 (4-4)
5-7 (3-5)
5-7 (2-6) (Would've been a game worse overall if Krause hadn't blown $800,000 to buy out the Fresno State game.)
If KSU beats CU and UNT, I'd say Snyder has "calmed the waters." Recruiting has improved and we've gone 4-4 in conference each season -- which was Prince's highlight season. (Those who point to KU and UT getting worse, forget that NU, BU and OSU have gotten better.)
So, I just don't get the hate. Obviously, Snyder's not going to coach forever. And to say you expected 10 wins this season, with this team, is just nutty. Either people have unrealistic expectations for KSU to be a national power every year, or I'd have to guess that people are still just upset about 2004 and 2005...
i pretty much agree w/ all this.
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But back to the quote above. Part of the reason people are pissed is that this year should have been one of those chances at a 10/11 win season and a run at the conference championship. Big 12 is way, way down. We should have been competitive versus Nebraska and Mizzou. We should have defeated OSU at home.
There are plenty of sound points there slimz, but this is a reach given the talent we have. Yeah, you could say it seems that way b/c we were in those games and had chances to win. But I'd argue those chances were much more due to coaching and putting kids in position to win over anything else. I won't argue that coaching mistakes were made in each game, but this staff took a team that is way below their scholarship limit, with few defensive playmakers, with no complete QB, with 2 of its best WRs out, etc. and had them arguably on the verge of a 10 win season. IMO in the end the more talented teams won out, and its hard to argue any of the teams that beat us have less talent than we do. Really, you have to look at this both ways. The truth is somewhere in between the "we are terribly coached and Snyder sucks" angle and "Snyder has done a hell of a job coaching this group up". It seems we've got to have it one way or the other when depending on what you look at both are probably true.
Saying "this team is terrible" is not accurate either. Is this team terrible compared to K-State 03 or 98 or whatever? Probably, but that shouldn't be the sole guage. Compared to college football this team is about where it should be, and comparing college football talent level and rosters, this team is maybe a bit better than it should be. There are tons of incomplete teams in college football, and this is another one of those. We have a decent offense (despite a clear QB), good special teams, and a bad defense. We are really limited with the playmakers we have, especially on defense, but also on offense. When you have that, most likely you are going to be a .500 or slightly above team.
I don't see how anyone is suprised by where we are at or that the season has gone the way it has. We've pretty much performed how someone would reasonably expect us to perform, and probably slightly better (1 win or so) than anyone here expected.
I never said that I'm disappointed with this season. I will be disappointed next year if we have less wins with Tuggle and the Brown brothers. Even with a tougher schedule, not being able to win as many games next year with all of the extra talent coming in than we won this year is a sign that Snyder has plateaued and it's time to find somebody else.
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But back to the quote above. Part of the reason people are pissed is that this year should have been one of those chances at a 10/11 win season and a run at the conference championship. Big 12 is way, way down. We should have been competitive versus Nebraska and Mizzou. We should have defeated OSU at home.
I don't see how anyone is suprised by where we are at or that the season has gone the way it has. We've pretty much performed how someone would reasonably expect us to perform, and probably slightly better (1 win or so) than anyone here expected.
People are surprised because they want miracles from LHC Bill Snyder. He used to make our wildest dreams come true. Now his teams just "perform about how you would expect" and that is not what dreams are made of.
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People are surprised because they want miracles from LHC Bill Snyder. He used to make our wildest dreams come true. Now his teams just "perform about how you would expect" and that is not what dreams are made of.
Thanks _33. Probably the best post in this whole darn thread.
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But back to the quote above. Part of the reason people are pissed is that this year should have been one of those chances at a 10/11 win season and a run at the conference championship. Big 12 is way, way down. We should have been competitive versus Nebraska and Mizzou. We should have defeated OSU at home.
There are plenty of sound points there slimz, but this is a reach given the talent we have. Yeah, you could say it seems that way b/c we were in those games and had chances to win. But I'd argue those chances were much more due to coaching and putting kids in position to win over anything else. I won't argue that coaching mistakes were made in each game, but this staff took a team that is way below their scholarship limit, with few defensive playmakers, with no complete QB, with 2 of its best WRs out, etc. and had them arguably on the verge of a 10 win season. IMO in the end the more talented teams won out, and its hard to argue any of the teams that beat us have less talent than we do. Really, you have to look at this both ways. The truth is somewhere in between the "we are terribly coached and Snyder sucks" angle and "Snyder has done a hell of a job coaching this group up". It seems we've got to have it one way or the other when depending on what you look at both are probably true.
Saying "this team is terrible" is not accurate either. Is this team terrible compared to K-State 03 or 98 or whatever? Probably, but that shouldn't be the sole guage. Compared to college football this team is about where it should be, and comparing college football talent level and rosters, this team is maybe a bit better than it should be. There are tons of incomplete teams in college football, and this is another one of those. We have a decent offense (despite a clear QB), good special teams, and a bad defense. We are really limited with the playmakers we have, especially on defense, but also on offense. When you have that, most likely you are going to be a .500 or slightly above team.
I don't see how anyone is suprised by where we are at or that the season has gone the way it has. We've pretty much performed how someone would reasonably expect us to perform, and probably slightly better (1 win or so) than anyone here expected.
As I'm sure I posted on here before the season, I expected 4 or 5 wins this season, so they've far surpassed my expectations headed into the season. However, I didn't anticipate how bad the Big 12 was going to be as a conference.
But preseason expectations really wasn't the point of my post. The point was, in light of the Big 12's suckiness, this actually turned out to be an opportunity year...an opportunity year that we lost most likely because of decisions that LHC Bill Snyder has made over the last 5 years. We don't have the players and coaches to take advantage of this opportunity year because of decisions Snyder has made in previous years. The importance of this coming offseason is to observe whether Snyder has learned from those and is prepared to make decisions that will better serve the long-term interests of this program.
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People are surprised because they want miracles from LHC Bill Snyder. He used to make our wildest dreams come true. Now his teams just "perform about how you would expect" and that is not what dreams are made of.
Thanks _33. Probably the best post in this whole darn thread.
I just want to expect improvement. If 7 wins this year is "performing how you would expect", then 8 or 9 wins next year, with a team more talented than this one, should be "performing how you would expect."
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Wow, the floodgates of irrationality have really opened up in this thread.
Being a program that averages nine wins over a 12 game season is a 75% winning percentage. Add in the bowl season and it is a 69% winning percentage.
Including only BCS teams and Notre Dame, there very few that can even accomplish that feat for an entire decade. KSU did manage this during the DoD, but it will be tough to duplicate.
Since the 1970's only 27 programs have managed a 69% winrate, and a mere 19 have managed 75% for an entire calender decade. And the only ones who have been able to manage averaging 75% more than once are college football royalty.
OU 70s, 80s, 00s
Mich 70's, 80s, 90s
Neb 70s, 80s, 90s
Penn St 70s, 80s, 90s
Ohio St 70s, 90s
USC 70s, 00s
Texas 70s, 00s
Miami 80s, 90s
Georgia 80s, 00s
Fla St 80s, 90s
Florida 90s, 00s
I'm not saying that being that good shouldn't be a goal, but to expect that kind of performance is hyperbolic. I'm not saying that Snyder is the only guy that could have ever won big here, but the proof is in the pudding and until proven otherwise that kind of achievement will continue to be the exception rather than the rule. I do, however, believe that it should be expected to be competitive over a majority of the long-haul.
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If we play and beat a BCS team in our bowl game then I will very pleased with the season. It's hard for me to consider a team ( in a major BCS conference) having a successful season without beating a single BCS team with a winning record.
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I'm not saying that we should average 9 wins, but the fans should be disappointed with less. Not being able to win 9 or even 10 games for an extended period of time should be a reason to fire the coach.
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But preseason expectations really wasn't the point of my post. The point was, in light of the Big 12's suckiness, this actually turned out to be an opportunity year...an opportunity year that we lost most likely because of decisions that LHC Bill Snyder has made over the last 5 years. We don't have the players and coaches to take advantage of this opportunity year because of decisions Snyder has made in previous years. The importance of this coming offseason is to observe whether Snyder has learned from those and is prepared to make decisions that will better serve the long-term interests of this program.
I think there is some truth in that about Snyder, but there are plenty of other factors as well. That is far from the sole reason we are where we are.
As far as taking advantage of a bad Big 12 season; if we win at CU we've largely done that to the extent that we could with our schedule. The only game you can really argue that we didn't would be the Baylor game, and I won't disagree that we probably should've won there. Even then, I still can't look at Baylor's roster and think that they aren't more talented than we are either. Every other game we've lost is to a team far more complete and talented than we are, but that didn't stop us from having a chance in two of those. Finding a way to win either of those would've made this a fantastic season.
Still, given what we have coming, its not like future of K-State football is terrible. We're should have a deeper, more talented team next year. We'll see if we can surpass the win total.
And again, a loss at CU would be terribly disapointing to me, but I think we'll win there.
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If we play and beat a BCS team in our bowl game then I will very pleased with the season. It's hard for me to consider a team ( in a major BCS conference) having a successful season without beating a single BCS team with a winning record.
I agree.
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I should have also added that it was Snyder and an virtual "Dream Team," of young, hungry assistant coaches. Not Snyder alone.
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I should have also added that it was Snyder and an virtual "Dream Team," of young, hungry assistant coaches. Not Snyder alone.
You can't blame Snyder for the shitty assistants he has now and not give him all of the credit for assembling that "dream team."
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But preseason expectations really wasn't the point of my post. The point was, in light of the Big 12's suckiness, this actually turned out to be an opportunity year...an opportunity year that we lost most likely because of decisions that LHC Bill Snyder has made over the last 5 years. We don't have the players and coaches to take advantage of this opportunity year because of decisions Snyder has made in previous years. The importance of this coming offseason is to observe whether Snyder has learned from those and is prepared to make decisions that will better serve the long-term interests of this program.
I think there is some truth in that about Snyder, but there are plenty of other factors as well. That is far from the sole reason we are where we are.
As far as taking advantage of a bad Big 12 season; if we win at CU we've largely done that to the extent that we could with our schedule. The only game you can really argue that we didn't would be the Baylor game, and I won't disagree that we probably should've won there. Even then, I still can't look at Baylor's roster and think that they aren't more talented than we are either. Every other game we've lost is to a team far more complete and talented than we are, but that didn't stop us from having a chance in two of those. Finding a way to win either of those would've made this a fantastic season.
Still, given what we have coming, its not like future of K-State football is terrible. We're should have a deeper, more talented team next year. We'll see if we can surpass the win total.
And again, a loss at CU would be terribly disapointing to me, but I think we'll win there.
I want to reiterate that on a micro level, I think Snyder's done a fine job this season, and better than I expected. The Mizzou game wasn't his finest moment, but they were the better team and we made a better showing than I thought we would. However, we've won more games than I thought we would mainly because the other teams were worse than I anticipated, not because this team played much better than I thought it would.
My concern lies on the macro level. We should not forget that the waters were stormy in the first place because Snyder refused to fire lousy assistants. While we're giving him credit for the results this season and "doing the most with what he had," we have to remember that he himself helped get us to the point where he now "doesn't have that much to work with." I want to see offseason decisions that reflect a recognition of and willingness to learn from past mistakes.
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My concern lies on the macro level. We should not forget that the waters were stormy in the first place because Snyder refused to fire lousy assistants. While we're giving him credit for the results this season and "doing the most with what he had," we have to remember that he himself helped get us to the point where he now "doesn't have that much to work with." I want to see offseason decisions that reflect a recognition of and willingness to learn from past mistakes.
I can't disagree with this. I'd say some macro things Snyder is trying to address whole heartedly, such as the roster/scholarship/depth issue.
But I can't disagree on the staff, I hope to see some positive changes this offseason. It won't even take much, Mo retiring and hiring Leavitt would be pretty good.
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My concern lies on the macro level. We should not forget that the waters were stormy in the first place because Snyder refused to fire lousy assistants. While we're giving him credit for the results this season and "doing the most with what he had," we have to remember that he himself helped get us to the point where he now "doesn't have that much to work with." I want to see offseason decisions that reflect a recognition of and willingness to learn from past mistakes.
I can't disagree with this. I'd say some macro things Snyder is trying to address whole heartedly, such as the roster/scholarship/depth issue.
But I can't disagree on the staff, I hope to see some positive changes this offseason. It won't even take much, Mo retiring and hiring Leavitt would be pretty good.
That would take firing cosh or at least visibly demoting him, would it not?
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I should have also added that it was Snyder and an virtual "Dream Team," of young, hungry assistant coaches. Not Snyder alone.
You can't blame Snyder for the shitty assistants he has now and not give him all of the credit for assembling that "dream team."
I never did.
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surprisingly good thread
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My ultimate wish is a proven HCIW is named within the next year or so. If that doesn't happen then if Snyder fails to win at least 8 games in any season going forward then he should be asked to re-retire. Thats kinda where I stand.
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My ultimate wish is a proven HCIW is named within the next year or so. If that doesn't happen then if Snyder fails to win at least 8 games in any season going forward then he should be asked to re-retire. Thats kinda where I stand.
I'm not interested in a head coach in waiting because K-State is not good enough job for anybody who is good enough to be a head coach now to take a HCIW position. I think we should just wait until Snyder steps down (or fire him if his performance warrants it) and hire the best coach we can get whenever that happens.
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I bet Leach goes somewhere as on OC for a few years before he gets another HC job. Unless he takes a HC job at some small school. Leavitt could very well be a candidate to take on the DC job at KSU, especially if he knew he would be name HC within a year or two.
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Virginia Tech football player Michael Vick reminds me of Carson Coffman.
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I bet Leach goes somewhere as on OC for a few years before he gets another HC job. Unless he takes a HC job at some small school. Leavitt could very well be a candidate to take on the DC job at KSU, especially if he knew he would be name HC within a year or two.
Leavitt as a defensive coordinator is probably a possibility, but I don't like the idea of locking ourselves down to him. We don't know who will be available when Snyder is done, and we might be able to do better.
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kstate fans, let's get this out there now before you start getting your hopes up and starting long threads about coaching possibilities: Nobody worth a damn is going to come to KSU to coach our football team. We need to concentrate hard on that list of disgraced coaches and recently fired coaches from good programs.
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i would cut off a toe and/or donate 1% of my salary if we could get leach for the next ten years or so.
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i would cut off a toe and/or donate 1% of my salary if we could get leach for the next ten years or so.
what about two toes, and you keep that 1%?
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fired and disgraced coaches
:love:.
Mods, can we make this thread the official LHC Bill Snyder replacement thread? Right now, realistic candidates are:
Gary Patterson (yeah, right)
Rich Rodriguez might get fired soon. :drool:
Mark Richt might get fired soon. :moreira:
Mike Leach :garr:
Jim Leavitt :rolleyes:
Brent Venables :drink:
Kevin Sumlin :dunno:
Ruffin McNeal has a hilariously disproportionate body, and he has ECU tied for 1st place in Conference USA :kugoalposts:
Dana Dimel :barf:
Sean Snyder :goodbyecruelworld:
Anybody else have any ideas?
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i would cut off a toe and/or donate 1% of my salary if we could get leach for the next ten years or so.
what about two toes, and you keep that 1%?
i'm not sure. would probably need to do some research.
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i would cut off a toe and/or donate 1% of my salary if we could get leach for the next ten years or so.
what about two toes, and you keep that 1%?
i'm not sure. would probably need to do some research.
Think about how much you love flip flops here rd, think long and hard
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i would cut off a toe and/or donate 1% of my salary if we could get leach for the next ten years or so.
what about two toes, and you keep that 1%?
i'm not sure. would probably need to do some research.
Think about how much you love flip flops here rd, think long and hard
i think if you went the two toe route (say that three times fast, whew!), you'd want to take a toe off each foot, and not two off of one. just an imo, here.
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I bet they make some very realistic prosthetic toes these days. Besides- who really stares at toes anyway? You're just setting yourself up for disappointment if you go toe gazing.
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Def need a disgraced coach. Then we need to treat him like an insecure GF. Make him feel like he needs to do anything in his power to keep us.
Make him ours without question.
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which 2 toes?
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which 2 toes?
i would say it's up to the individual. i would probably do two toes and would pick one from each foot and pick a middle toe. seems like you'd want the end toes for stability/base reasons and stuff.
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my little toes are completely useless and small. They look freakish compared to my other regular sized toes. good riddance.
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my little toes are completely useless and small. They look freakish compared to my other regular sized toes. good riddance.
The small toes are very important for balance. At least that's what I learned from Ben Stiller when watching The Heartbreak Kid on TBS Sunday morning.
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Anyone else want Bill Slashahan?
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Anyone else want Bill Slashahan?
:RAISESHAND:
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Anyone else want Bill Slashahan?
YES :ck:
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I would take Callahan in a second. Look at the foundation he built Pelini! :love:
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I would take Callahan in a second. Look at the foundation he built Pelini! :love:
ndomaouaikong su :drool:
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Could you guys even imagine how butt hurt the Nebraska fans would be if Callahan won the Big 12 at KSU?
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LHC Bill Snyder's so old. lols
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Do not want Callahan . . . unless he's completely removed himself from treating season prep and in season prep as if it were just like the NFL . . . it is not, and that was his downfall at Cornhole.
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Do not want Callahan . . . unless he's completely removed himself from treating season prep and in season prep as if it were just like the NFL . . . it is not, and that was his downfall at Cornhole.
Callsy, don't listen to this. You can do this if you want. We don't care.
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Do not want Callahan . . . unless he's completely removed himself from treating season prep and in season prep as if it were just like the NFL . . . it is not, and that was his downfall at Cornhole.
Dax, just ask yourself who you think we will end up with. Now ask yourself if Callahan would be better.
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Anyone else want Bill Slashahan?
Not saying no, but Cally went 15-17 in conference @ NU. It's not that much better than Snyder's last four years @ KSU (without all the successful years that Snyder had before that).
Also, Cally had Blake on staff to recruit, so I can't even give him full credit for that...
Just throwin' it out there.
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Anyone else want Bill Slashahan?
Not saying no, but Cally went 15-17 in conference @ NU. It's not that much better than Snyder's last four years @ KSU (without all the successful years that Snyder had before that).
Also, Cally had Blake on staff to recruit, so I can't even give him full credit for that...
Just throwin' it out there.
Will OB leave his successor a Suh? :dunno:
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insider NU cally info: When TO wasn't the AD yet he came onto the field to watch one of Cally's practices and Cally told the facilities people to "Get that old mother rough rider off my practice field"...and they did. :excited:
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Do not want Callahan . . . unless he's completely removed himself from treating season prep and in season prep as if it were just like the NFL . . . it is not, and that was his downfall at Cornhole.
Dax, just ask yourself who you think we will end up with. Now ask yourself if Callahan would be better.
Even Bob Krause nearly had Patterson . . . so with that in mind I will keep an open mind.
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The problem with hoping for elite coaches to do something scandalous and fall into our grimy, welcoming laps is that they'd have to do something pretty terrible that may just completely eliminate them from all future consideration. Like Urban Meyer molesting a kid or something. Maybe something like Brian Kelly getting busted on a bender with some strippers would work (like that WSU coach who almost went to Bama). Even then, there'd still be other programs willing to take him in ahead of us, though.
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insider NU cally info: When TO wasn't the AD yet he came onto the field to watch one of Cally's practices and Cally told the facilities people to "Get that old mother rough rider off my practice field"...and they did. :excited:
That is AWESOME.
Didn't he call OU fans a bunch of hillbillies once, too?
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insider NU cally info: When TO wasn't the AD yet he came onto the field to watch one of Cally's practices and Cally told the facilities people to "Get that old mother rough rider off my practice field"...and they did. :excited:
That is AWESOME.
Didn't he call OU fans a bunch of hillbillies once, too?
Yeah, they have audio of it that they play on the radio here on pretty much a constant loop every OU game week. Cally is almost my dream hire.
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You know who we should hire as HC? Dax. He's like some sort of coaching savant. Out of season preperation is not the same as in season preperation!!!
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You know who we should hire as HC? Dax. He's like some sort of coaching savant. Out of season preperation is not the same as in season preperation!!!
Just send the title and keys to your head on to me jt . . . pwned.
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Pwned? Are you like 12 and stuck in 2005? What character do you use in WoW? I bet he's scary!
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Pwned? Are you like 12 and stuck in 2005? What character do you use in WoW? I bet he's scary!
Don't lash out because you're wearing the clown suit . . . again jt.
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I love how jt alternates between horrible post and awesome post.
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snyder had the top of the ramp closed off at the top of bramlage so no one would dare spy on his practice. :lol: embarassing.
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Embarrassing to who? How many Va Tech fans do you think actually attended the game today?
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Embarrassing to who? himself, duh How many Va Tech fans do you think actually attended the game today? i saw about 10. why do you ask and what does it have to do w/ snyder embarassing himself.
waters aren't calm as shirt tucks grumbled and laughed at snyder's compulsive paranoia.
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It's not like Snyder's paranoia was on display to a large new audience, anyone who knows even the smallest amount about him and his program knows about his closed practices. And he's certainly not the only coach who insists on closed practices, either. Also- I can assure you that Snyder was not the least bit embarrassed.
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Also- I can assure you that Snyder was not the least bit embarrassed.
no assurance necessary. thanks anyway
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I assumed that your post about his embarrassment that you were concerned about it. :dunno:
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insider NU cally info: When TO wasn't the AD yet he came onto the field to watch one of Cally's practices and Cally told the facilities people to "Get that old mother effer off my practice field"...and they did. :excited:
That is AWESOME.
Didn't he call OU fans a bunch of hillbillies once, too?
Yeah, they have audio of it that they play on the radio here on pretty much a constant loop every OU game week. Cally is almost my dream hire.
JFC, I had no idea he Big Timed TO in the town TO built.
We need this guy.
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Bump.
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I don't really see any way that Cosh is the DC next year. I wouldn't be opposed to promoting Burns to DC and hiring some young dude who recruits well to coach the DBs. Would also love to see Butler's HC named DC. That dude's defenses are always badass and it would appear that he recruits well. Obviously Leavitt as DC would be the dream scenerio.
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I don't really see any way that Cosh is the DC next year. I wouldn't be opposed to promoting Burns to DC and hiring some young dude who recruits well to coach the DBs. Would also love to see Butler's HC named DC. That dude's defenses are always badass and it would appear that he recruits well. Obviously Leavitt as DC would be the dream scenerio.
Cosh is going to be our DC next year because Snyder would never fire anyone. We are mumped.
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AND if Snyder doesn't get rid of him then HE needs to go as well.
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what's the buyout on Snyder's contract?
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Walk that male genitals sucker out right now!!!!
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I would do almost anything to have Cosh fired.
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what's the buyout on Snyder's contract?
Most points Colorado has scored against us since 2004
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I swear bill wants us to hate cosh so much that well be thanking him when he brings his buddy Elliot back!
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Currie needs to pull rank on Snyder and fire Cosh himself.
1) It would get rid of Cosh
2) It would piss of the Powertards that someone told Bill to eff off and do as he's told.
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Pissing off the majority of your boosters is not a great idea for a new AD.
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Pissing off the majority of your boosters is not a great idea for a new AD.
It is if you do it to win and it works.
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I don't really see any way that Cosh is the DC next year. I wouldn't be opposed to promoting Burns to DC and hiring some young dude who recruits well to coach the DBs. Would also love to see Butler's HC named DC. That dude's defenses are always badass and it would appear that he recruits well. Obviously Leavitt as DC would be the dream scenerio.
Cosh is going to be our DC next year because Snyder would never fire anyone. We are effed.
this. bill won't fire him. the only way cosh goes is that bill goes. so if you want cosh gone, cheer for grandpa to have a stroke.
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If curried had some balls, he'd fire the whole bunch!
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eff you, Cosh. Seriously. eff. You.
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Would be nice if we could get a new one hired before the bowl game. May be able to help with recruiting if we get one soon.
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I love the man. I hate that he forced it to come to this. :frown:
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what's the buyout on Snyder's contract?
Most points Colorado has scored against us since 2004
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2nd most points scored this season....they scored 45 on KU (in a loss).
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I love the man. I hate that he forced it to come to this. :frown:
Firing Cosh would be a step in the right direction. Still kinda don't want him as HC, though.
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I love the man. I hate that he forced it to come to this. :frown:
Firing Cosh would be a step in the right direction. Still kinda don't want him as HC, though.
It wouldn't. You must cut off the head.
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Do you think that Bill thinks it would be neat to get his first and last wins vs. UNT? I think it would be neat.
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Would be nice if we could get a new one hired before the bowl game. May be able to help with recruiting if we get one soon.
head coach right??????
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"F THE BS" :sirmixalot:
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Yeah, because HOF coaches are beating down Curries door.
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Remember that time that Mizzou had goal to go from the ten, and then their player was able to start walking in from the ten? Most embarassed I've been of a KSU defense since watching them try to pass rush OSU. And that was the most embarassed I've been about a KSU defense since watching them get beaten down by NU at home.
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Yeah, because HOF coaches are beating down Curries door.
He hasn't coached like a HOF coach for probably a decade now though.
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Yeah, because HOF coaches are beating down Curries door.
He hasn't coached like a HOF coach for probably a decade now though.
27-30 in conference going back to the 2001 season.
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27-30 in conference going back to the 2001 season.
:horrorsurprise:
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You may remember winning the conference in 2003. We just have to bring in more talented players and I don't think this staff is doing enough of that. We have about 10 nice recruits committed so far but we need like 20/yr to dig out of this talent deficit.
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Yeah, because HOF coaches are beating down Curries door.
because the HOF can wait.
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You may remember winning the conference in 2003. We just have to bring in more talented players and I don't think this staff is doing enough of that. We have about 10 nice recruits committed so far but we need like 20/yr to dig out of this talent deficit.
Then the question you have to ask yourself is do you want LHC Bill Snyder leading that effort?
The conflicted feeling we are all feeling right now? Get ready for that feeling to continue until LHC Bill Snyder is gone.
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You may remember winning the conference in 2003. We just have to bring in more talented players and I don't think this staff is doing enough of that. We have about 10 nice recruits committed so far but we need like 20/yr to dig out of this talent deficit.
2003 was v nice. but Snyder coached us out of others in 1998 and 2002. both years ksu should have been in national championship game. he couldn't even win the division in 2002 with an amazing amount of talent. got clowned by Mack Brown in Manhattan that year.
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You may remember winning the conference in 2003. We just have to bring in more talented players and I don't think this staff is doing enough of that. We have about 10 nice recruits committed so far but we need like 20/yr to dig out of this talent deficit.
Oh I remember it. I also realize it doesn't mean crap now.
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Can't exactly blame Bill for '98. If Bish doesn't cough up that ball, we're probably looking at a NC trophy.
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Can't exactly blame Bill for '98. If Bish doesn't cough up that ball, we're probably looking at a NC trophy.
WGAF about stuff that happened when I was a kid. This is now. He sucks now. The fact that he may not have sucked over a decade ago has crap to do with our current mumped up situation.
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Mcmwcat brought up '98, I didn't.
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Mcmwcat brought up '98, I didn't.
Why should Bill be the coach now going forward? There are few if any reasons. WGAF about anything he's done in the past? We named a freaking highway and a stadium after him and the egomaniac couldn't stay away.
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Can't exactly blame Bill for '98. If Bish doesn't cough up that ball, we're probably looking at a NC trophy.
WGAF about stuff that happened when I was a kid. This is now. He sucks now. The fact that he may not have sucked over a decade ago has crap to do with our current mumped up situation.
You're too young to appreciate it. You weren't there. You're spoiled. You probably plant corn in Kansas.
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I just can't think of anyone we are going to be able to hire that is better than Snyder. I'd rather be where we're at right now than where we were 3 yrs ago and I am terrified we're going to end up with some douchebag like Prince again.
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Can't exactly blame Bill for '98. If Bish doesn't cough up that ball, we're probably looking at a NC trophy.
WGAF about stuff that happened when I was a kid. This is now. He sucks now. The fact that he may not have sucked over a decade ago has crap to do with our current mumped up situation.
This time twelvety billion. The Old Man sucks, and to be perfectly honest I still don't think there is proof that he was ever really good since when everyone says that he was good, he had kick ass assistants. The Old bastard was good, but not without his assistants. Thanks for hiring kick ass assistants and being good a long time ago Bill, now move the shazbot! on!!!!! :chainsaw:
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Can't exactly blame Bill for '98. If Bish doesn't cough up that ball, we're probably looking at a NC trophy.
WGAF about stuff that happened when I was a kid. This is now. He sucks now. The fact that he may not have sucked over a decade ago has crap to do with our current mumped up situation.
You're too young to appreciate it. You weren't there. You're spoiled. You probably plant corn in Kansas.
I'm not too young. I was there. I also agree with what SD & KK are saying.
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I just can't think of anyone we are going to be able to hire that is better than Snyder. I'd rather be where we're at right now than where we were 3 yrs ago and I am terrified we're going to end up with some douchebag like Prince again.
I can't think of anyone that would be any worse. :dunno:
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I just can't think of anyone we are going to be able to hire that is better than Snyder. I'd rather be where we're at right now than where we were 3 yrs ago and I am terrified we're going to end up with some douchebag like Prince again.
I was reeled into feeling this way about Wooly and we went out and got Huggins.
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Yeah, because HOF coaches are beating down Curries door.
because the HOF can wait.
Should now change to "because the HOF doesn't want him anymore"
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Snyder not the problem, just a great variable to the solution (but definitely not the solution). He doesn't want to still be coaching. Shell out the money for an elite assistant coach of Snyder's choosing because he knows what it takes to succeed in Kansas, make promise to assistant that he will be head coach in 3 to 4 years to keep him here. Let Snyder take us to two or three more bowl games than hand over the program once his assistant learns how snyder does things. Problem is recruiting not coaches and Snyder knows how to get some good players here, manhattan regional airport expanding is going to be huge towards our success in the future.
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I just can't think of anyone we are going to be able to hire that is better than Snyder. I'd rather be where we're at right now than where we were 3 yrs ago and I am terrified we're going to end up with some douchebag like Prince again.
I can't think of anyone that would be any worse. :dunno:
this. lots of average coaches out there that could the same job.
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All I want is for LHC Bill Snyder to recruit a god damned good college quarterback.
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Snyder not the problem, just a great variable to the solution (but definitely not the solution). He doesn't want to still be coaching. Shell out the money for an elite assistant coach of Snyder's choosing because he knows what it takes to succeed in Kansas, make promise to assistant that he will be head coach in 3 to 4 years to keep him here. Let Snyder take us to two or three more bowl games than hand over the program once his assistant learns how snyder does things. Problem is recruiting not coaches and Snyder knows how to get some good players here, manhattan regional airport expanding is going to be huge towards our success in the future.
Bill is the absolute last person I want having a say in who we hire next. Luckily, Currie agrees with me.
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I effing hate the HCIW concept
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Change something. It's to the point where the only reason I follow KSU football at all is because I like goEMAW.com and KSU football is sometimes talked about there.
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I'm hoping for a gas leak in the Snyder household on Thanksgiving. When gramps leans over and lets one slip, the whole place goes boom....Gramps, The Old Lady, Shawn, and the horse-faced one. :emawkid:
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It sucks right now.
Snyder coached some great teams and brought us some great times. Remember 2002 against USC? How about 99 at Texas? Good times. When he left, it felt like the right time. His legacy was secure. When he came back I knew this point would come.
For whatever reason, he's not doing the job. We're improving from a 5-7 team with a horrible defense to a 7-5 team with a horrible defense in the 2 years he's been back. It's been painful. The team has gone backwards as the year went on. CCQ has improved slightly, we run the read option pretty good with CK, but other than that this team looks like they haven't been coached. Watching wide open recievers all year isn't a talent thing, its a coaching thing. That is what saddens me most.
I hate to admit it, but if we're ever going to compete again for a conference championship, it needs to be under new leadership. I'd love for him to announce that the bowl game will be his last game and to let someone else come in here.
As to who it will be? Doesn't matter. Yeah, Prince might happen again, but for us that's the risk we have to take. We have to get someone young and energized. Maybe they'll be in over their heads, maybe it will be a homerun. Just don't give us some old retread like Jim Levitt.
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I'm hoping for a gas leak in the Snyder household on Thanksgiving. When gramps leans over and lets one slip, the whole place goes boom....Gramps, The Old Lady, Shawn, and the horse-faced one. :emawkid:
if Leavitt and Stanbot could be visiting the Snyder household on that day too...well...I wouldn't need anything for Christmas.
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You may remember winning the conference in 2003. We just have to bring in more talented players and I don't think this staff is doing enough of that. We have about 10 nice recruits committed so far but we need like 20/yr to dig out of this talent deficit.
2003 was v nice. but Snyder coached us out of others in 1998 and 2002. both years ksu should have been in national championship game. he couldn't even win the division in 2002 with an amazing amount of talent. got clowned by Mack Brown in Manhattan that year.
We would not have went over Ohio State or Miami in 2002
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Leavitt is likely better than anyone we will end up with. We don'y get Huggs if he wasn't fired. And even then, he was only here for a year before he bent us over. We ended up with a guy who had never been a HC above the high school level. Yeah, we got crazy lucky with Frank but I kinda doubt we would get that lucky again. We're basically looking at dudes like Leavitt or Leach (though I doubt Leach would take this job) or some young, unproven coordinator. We may get lucky and hire some young hotshot that recruits like a mother and surrounds himself with a talented staff. Or we may end up with Prince. Or worse, Gill. I would say we should fire Cosh now but leave Snyder in until a nice hire is made available. Keep Snyder around for now because he's not that bad but start a secret coach search. If we get a guy we like, let Snyder know that it's time for him to step down. One last game for everyone to sucks his dick one last time and then in with whatever the new regime is. I don't want to cut Snyder loose and scramble to find his replacement. We would totally lose any decent recruits we have and that would set us back even further. You don't go car shopping when your car blows up, you go when you can take your time and find the exact right car for you.
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We could just fire OB and competently interview coaching candidates and hire the best one. Really shouldn't be too difficult to avoid another RP. :dunno:
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If a HC with a losing record in the Big East is the best we can get then this season is acceptable.
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Mcmwcat brought up '98, I didn't.
in response to you bringing up 2003 :dunno:
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Dude, USF didn't even play football when he got there. Taking them from no program to a #2 ranking is damn impressive. If he can hire a capable OC, we could be very good, soon.
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I just can't think of anyone we are going to be able to hire that is better than Snyder.
confession time: i never thought we could get a decent hoops coach here to rationalize keeping Wooly around.
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most of our tard fanbase (like jtksu) have battered woman syndrome. "But but but....I can't get anyone better than him! So what if he punches me in the back of the head if the beans aren't hot enough!"
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Yeah, because HOF coaches are beating down Curries door.
because the HOF can wait.
Should now change to "because the HOF doesn't want him anymore"
lol
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Dude, USF didn't even play football when he got there. Taking them from no program to a #2 ranking is damn impressive. If he can hire a capable OC, we could be very good, soon.
What month was that #2 ranking? Where did they end up at the end of the year? :lol: Who did they beat to deserve that ranking? Surely they wouldn't have lost their next THREE games! RIGHT? :lol:
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just look at him....
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Feel free to list the possible replacements. And only list the realistic ones, you rough ridin' retards.
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Wooly didn't do 1/10 the job Snyder has. Replacing a third tier coach is nowhere near the same as replacing a HOF coach. And lol that okcat equates a coaching search with wife beating. Those GC boys always have wifebeating in mind.
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is Bill in the HOF? bill's second tenure can be compared to wooly's entire tenure. WE AREN'T AS EMBARASSING AS WE ONCE WERE!!
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I love old Bill just like the next guy, but he's a "HOF Coach" who's won 1 conference championship. Let's not get carried away.
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No way we go for Leavitt. Currie will cut ties to the old regime to avoid this crap in the future. That is unless we get a home-run hire from the old regime (BV).
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He's a HOF coach who is largely considered (by non-retards) to be one of the best ever. And comparing Bill to Wooley is honestly the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thing I have ever heard. Wooly was 83-90 (32-64). Bill is 13-11 (7-9) in this current term. How are they the same? Oh right, Catzacker is clearly under the influence of years of lead poisoning. I seriously hope that your parents had the common sense to not curse the world with any more children after your almond eyed, window licking, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) ass fell out of your mom's diseased vagina.
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HOFs are overwhelmingly filled by people too old to do whatever it is that got them in the HOF anymore.
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Can't exactly blame Bill for '98. If Bish doesn't cough up that ball, we're probably looking at a NC trophy.
NC trophy????? KSU couldn't beat Purdue in the bowl but you would of had a N.C. if not for a fumble. Huh, that's some wide open thinking there JT :facepalm:
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Can't exactly blame Bill for '98. If Bish doesn't cough up that ball, we're probably looking at a NC trophy.
NC trophy????? KSU couldn't beat Purdue in the bowl but you would of had a N.C. if not for a fumble. Huh, that's some wide open thinking there JT :facepalm:
Not saying we would've won the NC game, but I can't stress how little anybody gave a crap about the Purdue game after the CCG loss.
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And that Purdue QB was rough ridin' horrible. Whatever happened to that loser?
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Can't exactly blame Bill for '98. If Bish doesn't cough up that ball, we're probably looking at a NC trophy.
NC trophy????? KSU couldn't beat Purdue in the bowl but you would of had a N.C. if not for a fumble. Huh, that's some wide open thinking there JT :facepalm:
Not saying we would've won the NC game, but I can't stress how little anybody gave a cac about the Purdue game after the CCG loss.
Thats hard to believe when you're playing for school pride and to win a BCS bowl. Especially against an unranked opponent.
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Nubb is playing for a shot at the CCG in 20 minutes and HP is trolling KSU message boards. What a rough ridin' tool that guy is.
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Can't exactly blame Bill for '98. If Bish doesn't cough up that ball, we're probably looking at a NC trophy.
NC trophy????? KSU couldn't beat Purdue in the bowl but you would of had a N.C. if not for a fumble. Huh, that's some wide open thinking there JT :facepalm:
Not saying we would've won the NC game, but I can't stress how little anybody gave a cac about the Purdue game after the CCG loss.
Thats hard to believe when you're playing for school pride and to win a BCS bowl. Especially against an unranked opponent.
Not a BCS bowl game.
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We went from being a minute away from a NC shot to playing in the alamo. Makes it tough to give a crap about the alamo.
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Can't exactly blame Bill for '98. If Bish doesn't cough up that ball, we're probably looking at a NC trophy.
NC trophy????? KSU couldn't beat Purdue in the bowl but you would of had a N.C. if not for a fumble. Huh, that's some wide open thinking there JT :facepalm:
Not saying we would've won the NC game, but I can't stress how little anybody gave a cac about the Purdue game after the CCG loss.
Thats hard to believe when you're playing for school pride and to win a BCS bowl. Especially against an unranked opponent.
alamo bowl, dumbass
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Feel free to list the possible replacements. And only list the realistic ones, you rough ridin' retards.
Very short list, but a start, and all would be no worse than what were dealing with now.
Gus Malzahn
Larry Fedora
Venables
Brady Hoke
Rich Rodriguez after he gets fired
Ruffin McNeil
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I want Mike Leach so bad it hurts. Why can't I just let him go?
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Feel free to list the possible replacements. And only list the realistic ones, you rough ridin' retards.
Very short list, but a start, and all would be no worse than what were dealing with now.
Gus Malzahn
Larry Fedora
Venables
Brady Hoke
Rich Rodriguez after he gets fired
Ruffin McNeil
Love the first three
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Tommy Tuberville (I am still :love: with him and if Tech is stupid enough to let him go...)
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Tommy Tuberville (I am still :love: with him and if Tech is stupid enough to let him go...)
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Tommy Tuberville (I am still :love: with him and if Tech is stupid enough to let him go...)
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If Tubbs can't win at TTU I don't see him winning @ KSU.
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If Mike Leach never won a division title at TT, do you think he would do it in Manhattan?
Edit: I'm not saying he would or wouldn't, just wondering what people think.
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If Tubbs can't win at TTU I don't see him winning @ KSU.
He WILL win at TTU.
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If Mike Leach never won a division title at TT, do you think he would do it in Manhattan?
Edit: I'm not saying he would or wouldn't, just wondering what people think.
no, i do not think he will win a division title at KSU.
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Nick Saban IMO, maybe Bill Belicheck.
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Nick Saban IMO, maybe Bill Belicheck.
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I'd be happy with Marty Schottenheimer.
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If Tubbs does win @ TTU then he won't be a candidate here. I don't see Rich Rod coming here. Dude would go over like a lead zepplin with our fanbase and boosters. Plus I just don't like that guy. Fedora would be a very exciting hire. Tons of recruiting connections in OK, FL, and Texas, and he recuits like a mother @ SMU. Malzahn would also be great but I would constantly be terrified when the Ark. job looked like it might be open. Would love to see what Gus could do with Tuggle and Sams. We could have one hell of an offense next year. Kinda warming up to this idea, if we ended up with a Fedora or Malzahn type. (Oh, and Malzahn has to bring in a badass DC.)
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If Mike Leach never won a division title at TT, do you think he would do it in Manhattan?
Edit: I'm not saying he would or wouldn't, just wondering what people think.
no, i do not think he will win a division title at KSU.
Very bold prediction here
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Chings- USF was ranked #2 in the 7th week, after beating #17 Auburn and #5 WVU. Yeah, they did lose the next three but the finished 9-3 and ranked #21. Doesn't sound bad for a team in it's 3rd year in the FBS.
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This place is a joke. Talk about a complete lack of perspective. Two years ago we were the worst team in the Big XII, now we are competitive in every game but one (against a Top Ten team at that!). Until Jesse Jackson's players are out of the system, this team will hover around the middle of the conference.
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Chings- USF was ranked #2 in the 7th week, after beating #17 Auburn and #5 WVU. Yeah, they did lose the next three but the finished 9-3 and ranked #21. Doesn't sound bad for a team in it's 3rd year in the FBS.
Is Charlie Weis a good college football head coach? Because he would be a homeless man's Charlie Weis.
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Can't really see the correlation between Weis and Leavitt. Actually, they appear to be practically exact opposites. Little help here?
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Can't really see the correlation between Weis and Leavitt. Actually, they appear to be practically exact opposites. Little help here?
good co-coordinators, very dece recruiters. terrible coaches.
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And KK goes full-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Again.
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Frank martin
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And KK goes full-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Again.
I mean I would love to get Charlie Weis, but Leavitt would be awful. Just terrible. Really the only reason anyone gives a crap about him, is because he used to coach here. Think about that.
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I want him because he did a very good job at USF. But you're blind to this because of your presription Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) glasses. I mean, no one is this stupid without making a conscious effort.
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And KK goes full-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Again.
I mean I would love to get Charlie Weis, but Leavitt would be awful. Just terrible. Really the only reason anyone gives a crap about him, is because he used to coach here. Think about that.
Exactly, and the used to coach thing is going to be more of a negative than a positive with Currie leading the search.
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Don't want Ruffin. He looks like a black Grimace. Hoke wouldn't be a terrible hire, except for the parallels with Gill. Wouldn't be pissed but wouldn't want to look at him unless the other options have already said no. Getting a good coach here is going to be more difficult than most of you think. The last times KSU and KU have went coach shopping, most of our initial targets told us to get mumped. Not sure why it would be any different now. (And Patterson is obviously not even a possibilty now, even without Fitzinformation.
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If Mike Leach never won a division title at TT, do you think he would do it in Manhattan?
Edit: I'm not saying he would or wouldn't, just wondering what people think.
no, i do not think he will win a division title at KSU.
Aren't divisions done as of the end of this year? Everyone playing everyone next year, right?
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If Mike Leach never won a division title at TT, do you think he would do it in Manhattan?
Edit: I'm not saying he would or wouldn't, just wondering what people think.
no, i do not think he will win a division title at KSU.
Aren't divisions done as of the end of this year? Everyone playing everyone next year, right?
:horrorsurprise:
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This place is a joke. Talk about a complete lack of perspective. Two years ago we were the worst team in the Big XII, now we are competitive in every game but one (against a Top Ten team at that!). Until Jesse Jackson's players are out of the system, this team will hover around the middle of the conference.
nwjws (not what jesus would say)
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Can't really see the correlation between Weis and Leavitt. Actually, they appear to be practically exact opposites. Little help here?
would not be too upset w/ Leavitt. biggest downside is the perpetuation of the myth that only Snyder or one of his proteges could be successful here.
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Don't want Ruffin. He looks like a black Grimace. Hoke wouldn't be a terrible hire, except for the parallels with Gill. Wouldn't be pissed but wouldn't want to look at him unless the other options have already said no. Getting a good coach here is going to be more difficult than most of you think. The last times KSU and KU have went coach shopping, most of our initial targets told us to get mumped. Not sure why it would be any different now. (And Patterson is obviously not even a possibilty now, even without Fitzinformation.
I would cut off a toe for Hoke. An important one, not just the pinky. What are "the other options"? Not that Hoke would ever be an option.
an important one!!!
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I liked Rusty's suggestion of Malzahn and Fedora. I would want them interviewed before Hoke. Since Currie does have SEC ties, they may well be possible targets.
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i'm loving JT's metaphors and similes in this thread.
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True story. Sometimes when I read this thread I actually think that the old man is really gone and we actually have a shot at some of the guys being suggested. :frown: then I come to my senses and realize Bill is going to continue tearing this fracker all the way down. :barf:
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I just can't think of anyone we are going to be able to hire that is better than Snyder. I'd rather be where we're at right now than where we were 3 yrs ago and I am terrified we're going to end up with some douchebag like Prince again.
I'm afraid of this too, but 6-7 win seasons can be had pretty easily. our def is just as bad as under prince, the recruiting is equal at best to prince, the only difference is the big 12 is down and Bill has gotten a few extra wins out of it.
I have faith that this regime can find a more proven coach than the cluster we had back in '05 running the show. at worst we find someone who could equal what Snyder is doing now IMO.
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I really don't think Fedora/Malzahn are far fetched scenarios. There aren't going to be many big school openings this year (unless Michigan/Georgia), wouldn't be a bad year to make a run at someone.
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Malzahn only makes $500,000 at Auburn. We should triple that without thinking twice.
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I was thinking the same thing. Anybody know what we pay our assistants? Doubt we would get much of a coach unless we're willing to pay well for his staff.
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Nubb is playing for a shot at the CCG in 20 minutes and HP is trolling KSU message boards. What a effing tool that guy is.
Hey shithead, you still haven't answered the question! Why are you holding 2 signs?
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Nubb is playing for a shot at the CCG in 20 minutes and HP is trolling KSU message boards. What a effing tool that guy is.
Hey cachead, you still haven't answered the question! Why are you holding 2 signs?
Your team lost tonight and was embarrassed by their coach, who shoulder checked a mother. How do you feel about that?
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Nubb is playing for a shot at the CCG in 20 minutes and HP is trolling KSU message boards. What a effing tool that guy is.
Hey cachead, you still haven't answered the question! Why are you holding 2 signs?
Your team lost tonight and was embarrassed by their coach, who shoulder checked a mother. How do you feel about that?
:dunno:
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Nubb is playing for a shot at the CCG in 20 minutes and HP is trolling KSU message boards. What a effing tool that guy is.
Hey cachead, you still haven't answered the question! Why are you holding 2 signs?
Your team lost tonight and was embarrassed by their coach, who shoulder checked a mother. How do you feel about that?
:dunno:
i think doom is hammered.
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Nubb is playing for a shot at the CCG in 20 minutes and HP is trolling KSU message boards. What a effing tool that guy is.
Hey cachead, you still haven't answered the question! Why are you holding 2 signs?
Your team lost tonight and was embarrassed by their coach, who shoulder checked a mother. How do you feel about that?
:dunno:
After the game he was chasing down refs, barely shook Sherm's hand, and then ran through some lady on the field walking her daughter around.
No doubt.
Nubb is playing for a shot at the CCG in 20 minutes and HP is trolling KSU message boards. What a effing tool that guy is.
Hey cachead, you still haven't answered the question! Why are you holding 2 signs?
Your team lost tonight and was embarrassed by their coach, who shoulder checked a mother. How do you feel about that?
:dunno:
i think doom is hammered.
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Nubb is playing for a shot at the CCG in 20 minutes and HP is trolling KSU message boards. What a effing tool that guy is.
Hey cachead, you still haven't answered the question! Why are you holding 2 signs?
Your team lost tonight and was embarrassed by their coach, who shoulder checked a mother. How do you feel about that?
:dunno:
After the game he was chasing down refs, barely shook Sherm's hand, and then ran through some lady on the field walking her daughter around.
No doubt.
Nubb is playing for a shot at the CCG in 20 minutes and HP is trolling KSU message boards. What a effing tool that guy is.
Hey cachead, you still haven't answered the question! Why are you holding 2 signs?
Your team lost tonight and was embarrassed by their coach, who shoulder checked a mother. How do you feel about that?
:dunno:
i think doom is hammered.
Didn't see it, can't comment. Even the people on the Aggie boards are saying NU got jobbed by the refs. I never believed in the conspiracy thing until tonight. Pelini had every right to be pissed. Go to Shaggy Bevo they agree too.
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it's a conspiracy :excited:
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Nubb is playing for a shot at the CCG in 20 minutes and HP is trolling KSU message boards. What a effing tool that guy is.
Hey cachead, you still haven't answered the question! Why are you holding 2 signs?
Your team lost tonight and was embarrassed by their coach, who shoulder checked a mother. How do you feel about that?
:dunno:
After the game he was chasing down refs, barely shook Sherm's hand, and then ran through some lady on the field walking her daughter around.
No doubt.
Nubb is playing for a shot at the CCG in 20 minutes and HP is trolling KSU message boards. What a effing tool that guy is.
Hey cachead, you still haven't answered the question! Why are you holding 2 signs?
Your team lost tonight and was embarrassed by their coach, who shoulder checked a mother. How do you feel about that?
:dunno:
i think doom is hammered.
Didn't see it, can't comment. Even the people on the Aggie boards are saying NU got jobbed by the refs. I never believed in the conspiracy thing until tonight. Pelini had every right to be pissed. Go to Shaggy Bevo they agree too.
Never you mind then. :lol:
You guys should make some t-shirts for that crap. :lol:
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i just don't see how they could pull it off. Do the officials decide before the game they are gonna call a crap ton of penalties?? why this game?
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Nubb has to throw one more hissy fit before they tuck tail and run away. How utterly typical.
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i just don't see how they could pull it off. Do the officials decide before the game they are gonna call a cac ton of penalties?? why this game?
Really a perfect game for it, but a whole lot of those penalties were spot on, only a few toss up type calls. Bo, as is per usual, did not help things by throwing tantrums/acted like a 3 year old child and stomped off of the field.
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11-21 in his last 4 seasons in Big 12 games
1-3 vs CU
2-2 vs ISU
3-1 vs KU
2-2 vs MU
1-3 vs NU
0-1 vs BU
0-3 vs OU
0-1 vs OSU
1-2 vs A&M
1-0 vs TX
0-3 vs TT
Let him coach one more season ONLY if staff is revamped and a HCIW is hired. Otherwise make the BIG CALL Currie and he "retires" again. Great Coach in his time (just like Jack Hartman) but the game has changed and he has not.
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11-21 in his last 4 seasons in Big 12 games
1-3 vs CU
2-2 vs ISU
3-1 vs KU
2-2 vs MU
1-3 vs NU
0-1 vs BU
0-3 vs OU
0-1 vs OSU
1-2 vs A&M
1-0 vs TX
0-3 vs TT
Let him coach one more season ONLY if staff is revamped and a HCIW is hired. Otherwise make the BIG CALL Currie and he "retires" again. Great Coach in his time (just like Jack Hartman) but the game has changed and he has not.
I disagree with the HCIW part. There might be a better snag at the end of next season or the season after than some mid-level guy we grab now. We do need to fire or move Cosh. It would say a lot about Snyder and his commitment to the direction of the program.
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No HCIW I would rather LHC Bill Snyder have little-no say in the next coach
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anybody who thinks that having a "head coach in waiting" is a good idea/ever going to happen needs to be banned immediately.
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Incredibly enough, important alumni are rumbling. (or is it grumbling? I'm never sure which one to use).
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rumbling = positive
grumbling = negative
juse remember the mnemonic, RPGN
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just cause I was bored and wanted to show how bill has no one to blame but himself...these are conference only stats for ksu, with the league average
Year O PPG D PPG Avg
2002 42.8 11.2 29
2003 36.2 15.1 29.85
2004 29.8 32.4 25.8
2005 22.4 32.2 26.9
2006 23.5 27.2 26.5
2007 35.6 34.8 31.2
2008 28.9 42.4 33.6
2009 22.8 27.0 25.4
2010 32.2 30.2 28.1
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anybody who thinks that having a "head coach in waiting" is a good idea/ever going to happen needs to be banned immediately.
Yep, right along with anyone who thinks that Snyder should even be allowed in the building when decisions are made on any part of the next coaching staff.
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Feel free to list the possible replacements. And only list the realistic ones, you rough ridin' retards.
Very short list, but a start, and all would be no worse than what were dealing with now.
Gus Malzahn
Larry Fedora
Venables
Brady Hoke
Rich Rodriguez after he gets fired
Ruffin McNeil
Basketball posters are also the smartest posters on this shitty board too, great list. Trim also mentioned this earlier in the thread too. I am so sick of seeing people, even smart people talk about retread coaches. When the day comes we should and will have a legit search and interview process and will hire the best coach, not some flunky.
Rich Rod isn't going anywhere he recruited and is currently coaching the best player in Michigan history.
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Best player in Michigan history. :facepalm:
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Best player in Michigan history. :facepalm:
Who then? You opened your rough ridin' mouth justify your position.
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Maybe- Woodson, Edwards, Howard, Law, Hutchinson, Harbaugh, Dierdorf, Thomas, Perry...
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Forgot about Wheatly.
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Maybe- Woodson, Edwards, Howard, Law, Hutchinson, Harbaugh, Dierdorf, Thomas, Perry...
The fact that your list includes old dudes, linemen, QBs not nearly as good as Robinson, and players who may touch the ball three proves that Robinson belongs on that list. Jesus you have Dan Dierdorf and Jim Harbaugh on your list. Harbaugh won Big 10 POY and finished 3 in the Heisman as a Senior, Robinson is going to do those things as a true sophomore. BTW, I asked you to justify your stance not solidify mine. The fact that you couldn't name one player better and why they are makes my point stronger. I didn't ask you for a list of good Michigan players. Dan Dierdorf, lol!
I'm not posting again on this topic in this thread, you're not going to hijack it. Let's go back to when you were beating people because how dare they question a coach that was going to go 8-4.
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Why is it that black dudes hate fat white guys but love fat white girls? Hmm. Anyway, Howard and Woodson actually won the Heisman, something Denard will never do.
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Why is it that black dudes hate fat white guys but love fat white girls? Hmm. Anyway, Howard and Woodson actually won the Heisman, something Denard will never do.
wow
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Also MIR- you said THE greatest, not belongs on a list of the greatest. Huge difference. If Denard is the greatest player ever for the most successful school ever... That's just plan Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) talk.
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This thread just isn't as much fun when jt is the only one who doesn't think it's time to send snyder off to Meadowlark Hills.
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Actually, I think I've said several times that it may be time to move on. I just don't agree with all the retards on this board that only talk about 4 bad years and not the 13 good years. Snyder is a HOF type of coach and we will likely never have another coach like that.
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yeah, don't misunderstand jt. he's just a hypersensitive bitch. plus, he routinely contradicts himself. that's all.
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anybody who thinks that having a "head coach in waiting" is a good idea/ever going to happen needs to be banned immediately.
I'm fine with telling a coordinator he is "head coach in waiting" to get him to come here and then just not giving him the job when Bill leaves/gets fired.
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This board is losing credibility (if it ever had any) with all the fire HCBS talk. Anyone who thinks Snyder should be fired was probably born in the 90's. stfu with all the nonsense little kids.
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Kinda like the false HCIW idea.
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Anyone who thinks OBz isn't ready to GTFO is delusional.
Recruiting-fail
Assistants-fail
:ck:
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This board is losing credibility (if it ever had any) with all the fire HCBS talk. Anyone who thinks Snyder should be fired was probably born in the 90's. stfu with all the nonsense little kids.
I was born in the early 70's. Anyone who thinks we are headed in the right direction is delusional. IF he gets rid of some assistants and shows he can recruit again then MAYBE things can work but I don't see it.
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Actually, I think I've said several times that it may be time to move on. I just don't agree with all the retards on this board that only talk about 4 bad years and not the 13 good years. Snyder is a HOF type of coach and we will likely never have another coach like that.
So you've changed your mind since the Colorado game? Before we were all retards if we didn't believe in a "Hall of Fame coach" that could win 9 games this year. Now he's a "hall of fame TYPE coach" that needs to go. Is this like when you wanted to call out the retards that didn't think we would win 8 games, when you yourself didn't predict 8 wins?
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There's a rest stop between Topeka and Wichita that has a bunch of stuff on display about Hall Of Famer Knute Rockne. Guy sounds awesome, plus obviously must have Kansas ties. Let's get him.
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Actually, I think I've said several times that it may be time to move on. I just don't agree with all the retards on this board that only talk about 4 bad years and not the 13 good years. Snyder is a HOF type of coach and we will likely never have another coach like that.
So you've changed your mind since the Colorado game? Before we were all retards if we didn't believe in a "Hall of Fame coach" that could win 9 games this year. Now he's a "hall of fame TYPE coach" that needs to go. Is this like when you wanted to call out the retards that didn't think we would win 8 games, when you yourself didn't predict 8 wins?
solid points. jt won't acknowledge them because he never admits he's wrong though.
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Pretty sure I did predict 7/8 wins. And I referred to him as a HOF type of coach because someone recently pointed out that he is not in the HOF yet. Isn't me saying it might be time to move on admitting that I was wrong previously? Also- you guys are still Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). You're not going to be able to change that guys, just get used to it. MIR- since you don't like old things, will you be changing your username anytime soon? Cause I'm pretty sure that phrase is about as old and played out as your wife's labia. May I suggest "whoomp, there it is" or "where's the beef?" Oooh- I hear that "avoid the noid" is a popular saying with the hip youngsters these days.
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Pretty sure I did predict 7/8 wins. And I referred to him as a HOF type of coach because someone recently pointed out that he is not in the HOF yet. Isn't me saying it might be time to move on admitting that I was wrong previously? Also- you guys are still Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). You're not going to be able to change that guys, just get used to it. MIR- since you don't like old things, will you be changing your username anytime soon? Cause I'm pretty sure that phrase is about as old and played out as your wife's labia. May I suggest "whoomp, there it is" or "where's the beef?" Oooh- I hear that "avoid the noid" is a popular saying with the hip youngsters these days.
Yeah you predicted 8 wins.
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I did? Thought I predicted 7/8. Weird.
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I did? Thought I predicted 7/8. Weird.
your "way too early" said 8-4
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I'll be damned. Guess MIR was talking out of his ass again. Weird.
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I'll be damned. Guess MIR was talking out of his ass again. Weird.
I want to totally buy in for this season, so badly. But, my heart's been broken so many times that I'm a bit reluctant this year.
It's easy to say you're right about something when you don't take a consistent stance. This is one of those times when your inability to shut the eff up is good for the rest of us. I didn't have to look hard for this I'm sure if I wanted to waste anymore on you I'm sure I can find other examples of you contradicting yourself. This wouldn't be an issue if you weren't such a big mouthed bitch.
SD already pointed this out once, apparently your juggalo head is too methed out to remember a thread from two and a half weeks ago. How's 8-4 working out?
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=7973.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=7973.0)
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Guys, first post after leaving the octogenarian confines of the scout board. Seems to me the biggest issue for most fans is that, outwardly, we seem to have absolutely no long-term head coaching plan, and we're seriously worried there isn't anyone coming. At this point, I don't think firing Snyder is the answer, but who do we realistically think could come in and work long-term? Who wants to? I'm of the opinion there are only a couple coaches in the entire country who could put us at the top of the new Big 12, and we aren't getting them. Seriously, long-term, who do you want to lead us and what is our ceiling?
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So, I didn't say 8 wins (but I did) and now I'm dumb because I did? (Or didn't depending on what MIR feels like pulling out of his ass.). And I imagine you know a ton about meth, being from GC and all. How many wins did you predict?
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Guys, first post after leaving the octogenarian confines of the scout board. Seems to me the biggest issue for most fans is that, outwardly, we seem to have absolutely no long-term head coaching plan, and we're seriously worried there isn't anyone coming. At this point, I don't think firing Snyder is the answer, but who do we realistically think could come in and work long-term? Who wants to? I'm of the opinion there are only a couple coaches in the entire country who could put us at the top of the new Big 12, and we aren't getting them. Seriously, long-term, who do you want to lead us and what is our ceiling?
what's long term mean? if you're banking on someone coming in and coaching here until he retires then you've seriously limited your candidate pool. there's nothing wrong w/ a coach coming here and going somewhere else after 4 years because he's developed into a hot commodity. it's more than likely he's leaving the program better than he found it.
michigancat has a good list of candidates
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Guys, first post after leaving the octogenarian confines of the scout board. Seems to me the biggest issue for most fans is that, outwardly, we seem to have absolutely no long-term head coaching plan, and we're seriously worried there isn't anyone coming. At this point, I don't think firing Snyder is the answer, but who do we realistically think could come in and work long-term? Who wants to? I'm of the opinion there are only a couple coaches in the entire country who could put us at the top of the new Big 12, and we aren't getting them. Seriously, long-term, who do you want to lead us and what is our ceiling?
I think the point is that the situation you are describing is not helped in the least by LHC Bill Snyder's omni-presence and inability to move on from the program. Prince was a terrible hire, but Snyder poisoned the waters plenty to keep us from getting a better coach then. You realize he kept an office, right? You realize he insisted upon Sean retaining his job, right?
I mean untill Currie kicks Bill and his cronies out, it will always be a mess and we will never be taken seriously. A competent coaching search will probably turn up a competent candidate. If it doesn't then I will be disappointed, but it will be on its own terms and we will finally move on. Right now, the levels of delusion are poison.
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So, I didn't say 8 wins (but I did) and now I'm dumb because I did? (Or didn't depending on what MIR feels like pulling out of his ass.). And I imagine you know a ton about meth, being from GC and all. How many wins did you predict?
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cartoonstock.com%2Fnewscartoons%2Fcartoonists%2Fdpa%2Flowres%2Fdpan2158l.jpg&hash=6850ffc3490ff2b69290647bbeb8f509e2fef04d)
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So, I didn't say 8 wins (but I did) and now I'm dumb because I did? (Or didn't depending on what MIR feels like pulling out of his ass.). And I imagine you know a ton about meth, being from GC and all. How many wins did you predict?
I didn't predict a damn thing.
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Guys, first post after leaving the octogenarian confines of the scout board. Seems to me the biggest issue for most fans is that, outwardly, we seem to have absolutely no long-term head coaching plan, and we're seriously worried there isn't anyone coming. At this point, I don't think firing Snyder is the answer, but who do we realistically think could come in and work long-term? Who wants to? I'm of the opinion there are only a couple coaches in the entire country who could put us at the top of the new Big 12, and we aren't getting them. Seriously, long-term, who do you want to lead us and what is our ceiling?
Believe it or not, there will be qualified candidates interested in the head coaching position here when Snyder is gone.
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Kinda like the guy that doesn't vote and then bitches about the president? Common thread among retards.
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Kinda like the guy that doesn't vote and then bitches about the president? Common thread among retards.
wut
This is about your constant contradictions and inability to admit you're wrong. You took a strong stance more than once about your expectations, they didn't match up. I didn't make a prediction because I had no idea what to expect from the team or the opponents. You should take my cue and occasionally shut up, thankfully for the entertainment of the board you won't.
So are you relieved that the season is disappointing since you didn't buy in, or are you upset that the hall of fame coach isn't going to be 8-4 nor pick up a win against a bcs team with a winning record? Considering everyone who didn't expect 8-4 are "bitches" I'm going to guess the latter.
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We could well end up @ 8-5, about what I predicted. Obviously I did buy into the team a bit, hence the predicted record. Thanks for spending so much of your time on the f-ball board worrying about me though. And the majority of this aren't actually bitches, I just like to ruffle people's feathers. You, on the other hand, are most definitely a bitch in every sense of the word. My bitch. Don't say nothin, just bite the pillow.
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Sorry, not saying there are no answers. Just wondering what people think are the best guys out there. I keep wracking my brain and am only coming up with Leavitt and Venables. .
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Think it was Michigancat that posted some nice candidates earlier in this thread.
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Guys, first post after leaving the octogenarian confines of the scout board. Seems to me the biggest issue for most fans is that, outwardly, we seem to have absolutely no long-term head coaching plan, and we're seriously worried there isn't anyone coming. At this point, I don't think firing Snyder is the answer, but who do we realistically think could come in and work long-term? Who wants to? I'm of the opinion there are only a couple coaches in the entire country who could put us at the top of the new Big 12, and we aren't getting them. Seriously, long-term, who do you want to lead us and what is our ceiling?
Believe it or not, there will be qualified candidates interested in the head coaching position here when Snyder is gone.
Key phrase. Problem is, I am afraid he will either never leave or try and have input on the new coach. I want him and his cronies as far away from the process as possible.
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I've heard rumblings that Currie isn't going to let him have any input whatsoever in the next coaching hire. Which is another reason I like the crap out of Currie.
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Jesus Christ, this "oh, no, what if we're worse" attitude just pisses me the eff off. News flash people, we rough ridin' suck. Oh, great we got to a bowl. You know how many BCS schools are ineligible for a bowl right now? TWELVE. Whoopdy rough ridin' doo, we got to a bowl, something 4 out of 5 BCS teams have accomplished.
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Jesus Christ, this "oh, no, what if we're worse" attitude just pisses me the eff off. News flash people, we rough ridin' suck. Oh, great we got to a bowl. You know how many BCS schools are ineligible for a bowl right now? TWELVE. Whoopdy rough ridin' doo, we got to a bowl, something 4 out of 5 BCS teams have accomplished.
Mods, please pin this post and ban anyone that thinks it is an accomplishment to beat a bunch of crapity teams to become bowl eligible.
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I've heard rumblings that Currie isn't going to let him have any input whatsoever in the next coaching hire. Which is another reason I like the crap out of Currie.
How much money does Currie make? What are the odds that Currie takes a better offer at another school before we get rid of Snyder? :ohno:
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I've heard rumblings that Currie isn't going to let him have any input whatsoever in the next coaching hire. Which is another reason I like the crap out of Currie.
How much money does Currie make? What are the odds that Currie takes a better offer at another school before we get rid of Snyder? :ohno:
AD Old Ballz BS :runaway:
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I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.
When Patterson was a viable candidate, I was all for change, but now... :dunno:
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I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.
When Patterson was a viable candidate, I was all for change, but now... :dunno:
I feel like we have nothing now. Nothing accomplished, and no direction. Everyone sucking each other's dicks over being bowl-eligible is depressing.
I don't think we can wait until we KNOW that we've got a coach who's been contending for a spot in the national championship the past 2 years ready to come to Manhattan. Let's just have a job opening and competently interview candidates.
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I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.
When Patterson was a viable candidate, I was all for change, but now... :dunno:
I am pretty sure that if another coach put out the performance that we have gotten this year, most of our fans would want him fired. Why should Snyder get special treatment? There are a ton of coaches we could get who would win 6-7 games per year at K-State because winning 6 games is just not impressive.
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I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.
You'll never be 100% sure that the next guy will improve on what you have now. Even getting better under Patterson wouldn't be a 100% guarantee. The difference is that with a guy like Fedora or Mahlzan, you at least have a chance at something better (and potentially great), even if there is a risk that it could get worse. (Although there is not much room to get worse).
I mean, if our ceiling is 7 goddam wins, we should have joined the MWC when we had the chance.
I don't think we can wait until we KNOW that we've got a coach who's been contending for a spot in the national championship the past 2 years ready to come to Manhattan. Let's just have a job opening and competently interview candidates.
Exactly.
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The first "The NIT would be okay" post?
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The first "The NIT would be okay" post?
Every pro-OB post has been a "The NIT is okay" post.
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I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.
When Patterson was a viable candidate, I was all for change, but now... :dunno:
I am pretty sure that if another coach put out the performance that we have gotten this year, most of our fans would want him fired. Why should Snyder get special treatment? There are a ton of coaches we could get who would win 6-7 games per year at K-State because winning 6 games is just not impressive.
Actually, if Snyder was 20 years younger and didn't completely suck for two straight recruiting classes, I wouldn't be that upset with the results this season. He will be 80 (roughly) by the time his first decent class is seniors (assuming this class ends up decent). Then what? At least with a younger coach you could have the illusion that a program is being built. We are building nothing with Bill..
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I think I'll have time on Friday before the hoops game that night. Iron-on Fire Snyder shirts for Trim and goEMAW kid Cole?
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I'm not convinced there are candidates out there who could improve on what we have now, and who would be willing to come to KSU.
When Patterson was a viable candidate, I was all for change, but now... :dunno:
I am pretty sure that if another coach put out the performance that we have gotten this year, most of our fans would want him fired. Why should Snyder get special treatment? There are a ton of coaches we could get who would win 6-7 games per year at K-State because winning 6 games is just not impressive.
Actually, if Snyder was 20 years younger and didn't completely suck for two straight recruiting classes, I wouldn't be that upset with the results this season. He will be 80 (roughly) by the time his first decent class is seniors (assuming this class ends up decent). Then what? At least with a younger coach you could have the illusion that a program is being built. We are building nothing with Bill..
I would be more than willing to see what a younger coach could do in his 3rd year (I'm actually willing to give Snyder another year), but right now Snyder is probably only going to have one more win than Ron Prince did in his first 2 seasons. I know a lot of people who wanted Ron fired after his second year.
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The first "The NIT would be okay" post?
If by NIT you mean 8 wins, then yeah, I can live with that. In my time on earth I just haven't seen KU, MU, ISU or KSU consistently rolling out coaches who can do better.
Our defense this year is entirely unacceptable, but if we hire Leavitt, I think it'll improve. I guess I'll take the heat for aiming too low if you think our expectations should realistically be higher.
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The first "The NIT would be okay" post?
If by NIT you mean 8 wins, then yeah, I can live with that. In my time on earth I just haven't seen KU, MU, ISU or KSU consistently rolling out coaches who can do better.
If Pinkel beats KU or wins a bowl game, that will be 10+ wins in 3 out of 4 years.
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The first "The NIT would be okay" post?
If by NIT you mean 8 wins, then yeah, I can live with that. In my time on earth I just haven't seen KU, MU, ISU or KSU consistently rolling out coaches who can do better.
Our defense this year is entirely unacceptable, but if we hire Leavitt, I think it'll improve. I guess I'll take the heat for aiming too low if you think our expectations should realistically be higher.
NIT is being bowl-eligible and going to the 1 or 2 lowest -tier bowls the big 12 has ties too.
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Well, i'll throw my hat in the ring with my first "NIT is okay" post.
I'd like to see what Snyder can do next year. Recruiting/transferring looks to be pretty good. I'm willing to sit through one more year (or at least half a year) of this before I go in to full meltdown mode. I was willing to give Prince 2.5 years so I'd think it would be fair to offer Old Balls the same.
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The first "The NIT would be okay" post?
If by NIT you mean 8 wins, then yeah, I can live with that. In my time on earth I just haven't seen KU, MU, ISU or KSU consistently rolling out coaches who can do better.
Our defense this year is entirely unacceptable, but if we hire Leavitt, I think it'll improve. I guess I'll take the heat for aiming too low if you think our expectations should realistically be higher.
NIT is being bowl-eligible and going to the 1 or 2 lowest -tier bowls the big 12 has ties too.
I actually think the NIT is more impressive than this.
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Well, i'll throw my hat in the ring with my first "NIT is okay" post.
I'd like to see what Snyder can do next year. Recruiting/transferring looks to be pretty good. I'm willing to sit through one more year (or at least half a year) of this before I go in to full meltdown mode. I was willing to give Prince 2.5 years so I'd think it would be fair to offer Old Balls the same.
The problem is that had RP not sucked and shown himself in his 3rd year, he'd be a young coach with a bright future. If OB shows himself next year, then what?
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The first "The NIT would be okay" post?
If by NIT you mean 8 wins, then yeah, I can live with that. In my time on earth I just haven't seen KU, MU, ISU or KSU consistently rolling out coaches who can do better.
Our defense this year is entirely unacceptable, but if we hire Leavitt, I think it'll improve. I guess I'll take the heat for aiming too low if you think our expectations should realistically be higher.
NIT is being bowl-eligible and going to the 1 or 2 lowest -tier bowls the big 12 has ties too.
I actually think the NIT is more impressive than this.
Yeah, OB has accomplished a CBI invite.
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Well, i'll throw my hat in the ring with my first "NIT is okay" post.
I'd like to see what Snyder can do next year. Recruiting/transferring looks to be pretty good. I'm willing to sit through one more year (or at least half a year) of this before I go in to full meltdown mode. I was willing to give Prince 2.5 years so I'd think it would be fair to offer Old Balls the same.
The problem is that had RP not sucked and shown himself in his 3rd year, he'd be a young coach with a bright future. If OB shows himself next year, then what?
Then at least the program might look a little bit more desirable for a new coach when OB leaves. :dunno:
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Well, i'll throw my hat in the ring with my first "NIT is okay" post.
I'd like to see what Snyder can do next year. Recruiting/transferring looks to be pretty good. I'm willing to sit through one more year (or at least half a year) of this before I go in to full meltdown mode. I was willing to give Prince 2.5 years so I'd think it would be fair to offer Old Balls the same.
The problem is that had RP not sucked and shown himself in his 3rd year, he'd be a young coach with a bright future. If OB shows himself next year, then what?
Then at least the program might look a little bit more desirable for a new coach when OB leaves. :dunno:
When is he going to leave????!!! Damn it, this is the problem. So, Bill is just going to stay around until he has a decent year, then decide to leave and when he leaves, he won't meddle in the coaching search? Currie needs to clean house.
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Sorry, not saying there are no answers. Just wondering what people think are the best guys out there. I keep wracking my brain and am only coming up with Leavitt and Venables. .
That's because you have fallen into trap of only looking at people with ties to KSU.
8 wins in the reg season would have been fine for me if we had beat more than one decent team.
I will be somewhat placated if we play and beat a BCS team in a bowl game.
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Sorry, not saying there are no answers. Just wondering what people think are the best guys out there. I keep wracking my brain and am only coming up with Leavitt and Venables. .
That's because you have fallen into trap of only looking at people with ties to KSU.
8 wins in the reg season would have been fine for me if we had beat more than one decent team.
I will be somewhat placated if we play and beat a BCS team in a bowl game.
It's hard for me to get too excited about a bowl victory because I don't think bowl results are very indicative of the quality of the teams playing in them.
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Sorry, not saying there are no answers. Just wondering what people think are the best guys out there. I keep wracking my brain and am only coming up with Leavitt and Venables. .
That's because you have fallen into trap of only looking at people with ties to KSU.
8 wins in the reg season would have been fine for me if we had beat more than one decent team.
I will be somewhat placated if we play and beat a BCS team in a bowl game.
It's hard for me to get too excited about a bowl victory because I don't think bowl results are very indicative of the quality of the teams playing in them.
true. basically glorified exhibitions. it's a wild guess how many people participating actually care what happens
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What has made Snyder successful in the past is good assistants. He had two good ones, but one of them never made it and shuffled off to Cal, the other stayed a year and shuffled off to Illinois. Unless he fires or demotes some people and hires people who can get the job done, he will never be as successful. Also, if he is going to stay around a plan needs to be in place for a future head coach.
Otherwise KSU will be stuck in the wilderness of 5-7 wins per year and no or crappy bowl game. :goodbyecruelworld:
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Also, if he is going to stay around a plan needs to be in place for a future head coach.
:goodbyecruelworld:
I believe the succession plan is as follows: OB > HCIW Sean > HCIWIW Tate
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to put this thread to bed. The word Fire and LHC Bill Snyder will never be officially used by K-State. EVER. That is what makes this thread stupid. Carry on with your dumbshit powerespect posting.
P.S. Snyder was "not fired" the last time.
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to put this thread to bed. The word Fire and LHC Bill Snyder will never be officially used by K-State. EVER. That is what makes this thread stupid. Carry on with your dumbshit powerespect posting.
P.S. Snyder was "not fired" the last time.
I'm sure you believe Richard Nixon just resigned from the presidency because he was tired of working.
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to put this thread to bed. The word Fire and LHC Bill Snyder will never be officially used by K-State. EVER. That is what makes this thread stupid. Carry on with your dumbshit powerespect posting.
P.S. Snyder was "not fired" the last time.
I'm sure you believe Richard Nixon just resigned from the presidency because he was tired of working.
Just saying throwing out the "fire" word is just stupid. Using words like resign, retire, or leave would look less stupid.
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to put this thread to bed. The word Fire and LHC Bill Snyder will never be officially used by K-State. EVER. That is what makes this thread stupid. Carry on with your dumbshit powerespect posting.
P.S. Snyder was "not fired" the last time.
I'm not sure you really understand how to correctly use the word powerespect.
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to put this thread to bed. The word Fire and LHC Bill Snyder will never be officially used by K-State. EVER. That is what makes this thread stupid. Carry on with your dumbshit powerespect posting.
P.S. Snyder was "not fired" the last time.
I'm not sure you really understand how to correctly use the word powerespect.
To be fair, I doubt many retards can properly use the word Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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to put this thread to bed. The word Fire and LHC Bill Snyder will never be officially used by K-State. EVER. That is what makes this thread stupid. Carry on with your dumbshit powerespect posting.
P.S. Snyder was "not fired" the last time.
I'm not sure you really understand how to correctly use the word powerespect.
I think you are having a problem with using it, not me. admit it. Thinking K-State will FIRE LHC Bill Snyder and calling for it are :powerespect:
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who gives a crap what word is used on the messageboard.
Oh yeah, stormnut.
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this could become :powerespect: after today
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Halloween costumes. :thumbs:
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LOADS of stuff being totally taken out of context in this thread. LOADS.
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LOADS of stuff being totally taken out of context in this thread. LOADS.
i know, right?
HEY VISITORS, WE WERE JUST KIDDING!
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If anything this thread is full of heroes that prodded Bill into making some well needed changes in the off season to get where we are today.
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goEMAW's official stance is that we, the goEMAW community, were the ones that finally re-lit the fire in bill's old coaching belly. pat yourselves on the back gang. job well done.
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If anything this thread is full of heroes that prodded Bill into making some well needed changes in the off season to get where we are today.
THIS.
We are like Jesus when he was trying to tell people to not eat poison apples from snakes. Did those people like being told not to eat poison apples from snakes? I'll wager that they did not like being told that. Probably was not a very popular thing to do. Did that stop Jesus? Obviously not.
Fast forward like 5000 years, and boom, 7-0 going into the OU game on homecoming.
Just. Like. Jesus. go cats
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I'm pretty sure that was snow white Pete
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That was enjoyable thread to go back and re-read/skim.
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you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
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Snyder is a fart eater.
For posterity...
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What on earth is Kansas State thinking? First, they fire their coach only two-plus years into his contract, thereby giving new meaning to the word "panicking." Then they bring back the coach they were trying to ease into retirement! LHC Bill Snyder is 69 years old, his top assistants from his heyday are all head coaches and he'll be working with an empty cupboard, as Ron Prince stocked up on juco transfers. Is K-State trying to replace Iowa State as the laughing stock of the league? -- Phil O'Donoghue, Florence, Mass.
Mandel: You know those motivational posters that people hang in their offices with just a picture and a single word, like "persistence" or "perseverance?" Kansas State AD Bob Krause ought to hang one on his wall that just says: "Desperation."
Look, what Snyder accomplished during his tenure in Manhattan was indescribably impressive. He took arguably the worst program in the country and turned it into an annual top-10 fixture during the late '90s and early 2000s. But one of the reasons the Wildcats find themselves in the situation they are today is that the program took a noticeable downturn during the last couple years of his tenure. One of the main reasons Prince felt the need to bring in so many juco players was due to a void of upperclassmen on his roster -- classes that were recruited during Snyder's last two years on the job.
Bringing him back in to "save the day" seems to me a classic case of small-time thinking. Snyder is still a revered figure at Kansas State, understandably so, and the fan base's only taste of football success came under his watch. At the first sign of trouble, they go begging for him to return. Meanwhile, Snyder, like so many coaches, always struck me as one of those single-minded guys that simply isn't suited for retirement. It's no surprise that when his school came calling, he jumped at the chance to come back.
But how exactly will this help Kansas State in the long term? No one, not even Snyder, is under the delusion he'll be there for more than a couple of years. The idea is he'll get things headed back in the right direction, then pass the buck to a hand-chosen successor. (Note that Prince was not Snyder's preferred replacement.) But how exactly will he do that? How do you sell recruits on a nebulous transition plan? Most likely, he'll go back to doing exactly what he did 10-15 years ago (as well as what Prince did) and bring in a bunch of juco kids who will be gone by the time the next coach arrives. Sorry, I don't see the Wildcats getting much better in a hurry.
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What on earth is Kansas State thinking? First, they fire their coach only two-plus years into his contract, thereby giving new meaning to the word "panicking." Then they bring back the coach they were trying to ease into retirement! LHC Bill Snyder is 69 years old, his top assistants from his heyday are all head coaches and he'll be working with an empty cupboard, as Ron Prince stocked up on juco transfers. Is K-State trying to replace Iowa State as the laughing stock of the league? -- Phil O'Donoghue, Florence, Mass.
Mandel: You know those motivational posters that people hang in their offices with just a picture and a single word, like "persistence" or "perseverance?" Kansas State AD Bob Krause ought to hang one on his wall that just says: "Desperation."
Look, what Snyder accomplished during his tenure in Manhattan was indescribably impressive. He took arguably the worst program in the country and turned it into an annual top-10 fixture during the late '90s and early 2000s. But one of the reasons the Wildcats find themselves in the situation they are today is that the program took a noticeable downturn during the last couple years of his tenure. One of the main reasons Prince felt the need to bring in so many juco players was due to a void of upperclassmen on his roster -- classes that were recruited during Snyder's last two years on the job.
Bringing him back in to "save the day" seems to me a classic case of small-time thinking. Snyder is still a revered figure at Kansas State, understandably so, and the fan base's only taste of football success came under his watch. At the first sign of trouble, they go begging for him to return. Meanwhile, Snyder, like so many coaches, always struck me as one of those single-minded guys that simply isn't suited for retirement. It's no surprise that when his school came calling, he jumped at the chance to come back.
But how exactly will this help Kansas State in the long term? No one, not even Snyder, is under the delusion he'll be there for more than a couple of years. The idea is he'll get things headed back in the right direction, then pass the buck to a hand-chosen successor. (Note that Prince was not Snyder's preferred replacement.) But how exactly will he do that? How do you sell recruits on a nebulous transition plan? Most likely, he'll go back to doing exactly what he did 10-15 years ago (as well as what Prince did) and bring in a bunch of juco kids who will be gone by the time the next coach arrives. Sorry, I don't see the Wildcats getting much better in a hurry.
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mandel - BOOMROASTED . bwhahahahahah
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I wouldn't buy. He has until 3/4 into next year.
nice.
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stewart mandel is a fart eater
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I'm one of those people who feels like if you do not remember your history then you are destined to copy it, and no one likes a copy cat, so we need to just flush all that stuff out of heads and brains and focus on new things that are not from the past.
Hence, Arthur Brown is the only reason we are any good now. Tomato soup = bad, Arthur Brown at KSU = good.
Anyone on this message board who doesn't realize that the old stuff that LHC Bill Snyder inteded to copy by putting Cosh in charge of the defense was bad, is not focusing on new stuff. They are copy cats. Arthur Brown is 7-0.
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Videos!!
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haha
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Phil O'Donoghue , Florence, Mass is the real dumbass here.
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How is our recruitng terrible this year? Sams, Tuggle, Bryce, Arthur, Kennard, Meshak, Pease... Seems like we're adding some very nice talent. Also- we've played much of this season w/o our top 2 WRs. But that wouldn't make any difference on any other team in the country, would it? 8-4 with 70 scholarship players may well get Snyder another Big 12 COTY. Exactly who are we going to hire that would have done a better job this year? Tuberville was an awful popular choice to be our next HC. He sucks balls.
All sorts of Gems in here
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goEMAW's official stance is that we, the goEMAW community, were the ones that finally re-lit the fire in bill's old coaching belly. pat yourselves on the back gang. job well done.
Some people are motivated by encouraging words, pats on the back, and praise. Others by the opportunity to prove doubters wrong. LHC Bill Snyder is obviously the latter. After our Big XII championship in 2003 there were no more doubters, no more criticism. With nobody to prove wrong LHC Bill Snyder lost his motivation to succeed and subsequently we had two of our most disappointing seasons in the LHC Bill Snyder era. Since his return, goEMAW.com has provided the doubt, criticism and personal attacks LHC Bill Snyder requires to be a successful coach.
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He's done better this year. No way he can keep it up.
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I regret NOTHING I said.
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The simple fact is that we have a real possibility of being 10-1 this season. We're not beating OSU in Stillwater. But OU, A&M, UT. Who knows.
A huge part of this is Snyder. His coaching/discipline. His motivation. Somehow, he's got this team in the Top 10. We actually look like a legitimate program again. There is not a single person on this board who saw this coming.
Is he the future? Is he more than a 3-4 year fix? Absolutely not.
But for eff's sake. Give some credit where credit is due. If everything pans out (i.e. we return this ENTIRE team year), this program will be in a very solid position to bring in a quality head coach.
Will we make the right hire? Probably not. We're K-State. But god damn, how can anybody sit here, now, at 7-0, and say that bringing in Snyder was a bad decision?
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The simple fact is that we have a real possibility of being 10-1 this season. We're not beating OSU in Stillwater. But OU, A&M, UT. Who knows.
A huge part of this is Snyder. His coaching/discipline. His motivation. Somehow, he's got this team in the Top 10. We actually look like a legitimate program again. There is not a single person on this board who saw this coming.
Is he the future? Is he more than a 3-4 year fix? Absolutely not.
But for eff's sake. Give some credit where credit is due. If everything pans out (i.e. we return this ENTIRE team year), this program will be in a very solid position to bring in a quality head coach.
Will we make the right hire? Probably not. We're K-State. But god damn, how can anybody sit here, now, at 7-0, and say that bringing in Snyder was a bad decision?
Not a chance in hell we go 10-1
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The simple fact is that we have a real possibility of being 10-1 this season. We're not beating OSU in Stillwater. But OU, A&M, UT. Who knows.
A huge part of this is Snyder. His coaching/discipline. His motivation. Somehow, he's got this team in the Top 10. We actually look like a legitimate program again. There is not a single person on this board who saw this coming.
Is he the future? Is he more than a 3-4 year fix? Absolutely not.
But for eff's sake. Give some credit where credit is due. If everything pans out (i.e. we return this ENTIRE team year), this program will be in a very solid position to bring in a quality head coach.
Will we make the right hire? Probably not. We're K-State. But god damn, how can anybody sit here, now, at 7-0, and say that bringing in Snyder was a bad decision?
Not a chance in hell we go 10-1
12-0 or bust.
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Not a chance in hell we go 10-1
It's improbable.
OU - probably lose
@OSU (L)
A&M - probably win
@UT - may win
ISU (W)
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Not a chance in hell we go 10-1
It's improbable.
OU - probably lose
@OSU (L)
A&M - probably win
@UT - may win
ISU (W)
W
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjy2PxDwBg4
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it never bothered me last year listening to anyone say we should get rid of Bill and turn the page for a new Coach..........but then the relentless "Ron could do this good" comparisons that are beyond dumb that immediately follow make me wanna hit something.
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I regret NOTHING I said.
I just can't think of anyone we are going to be able to hire that is better than Snyder. I'd rather be where we're at right now than where we were 3 yrs ago and I am terrified we're going to end up with some douchebag like Prince again.
I can't think of anyone that would be any worse. :dunno:
What about now. Can you think of anyone worse now?
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turner, that's about it.
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it never bothered me last year listening to anyone say we should get rid of Bill and turn the page for a new Coach..........but then the relentless "Ron could do this good" comparisons that are beyond dumb that immediately follow make me wanna hit something.
Snyder could learn a few things from Ron.
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turner, that's about it.
Really? So you seriously still think LHC Bill Snyder was the second worst hire we could've made behind Gill? I mean, I understand that there's still the question of a long-term plan, but he's got a team of scrappy :star: :star: :star: at 7-0 with wins over Miami and 2 pretty good Big XII teams. And he's the SECOND WORST hire we could've made?
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If we are doing this good with Cosh as DCord just think how good we would be with leavit as DCord. We would probably be picked to win out now. Instead we will probably go 10-2 or 9-3. Should have been 12-0 :bang: :curse: :chainsaw:
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If we are doing this good with Cosh as DCord just think how good we would be with leavit as DCord. We would probably be picked to win out now. Instead we will probably go 10-2 or 9-3. Should have been 12-0 :bang: :curse: :chainsaw:
Leavitt sucks. Always has, always will.
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turner, that's about it.
Really? So you seriously still think LHC Bill Snyder was the second worst hire we could've made behind Gill? I mean, I understand that there's still the question of a long-term plan, but he's got a team of scrappy :star: :star: :star: at 7-0 with wins over Miami and 2 pretty good Big XII teams. And he's the SECOND WORST hire we could've made?
yeah, pretty much. thinking long term.
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turner, that's about it.
Really? So you seriously still think LHC Bill Snyder was the second worst hire we could've made behind Gill? I mean, I understand that there's still the question of a long-term plan, but he's got a team of scrappy :star: :star: :star: at 7-0 with wins over Miami and 2 pretty good Big XII teams. And he's the SECOND WORST hire we could've made?
yeah, pretty much. thinking long term.
You must be just miserable.
Welp...good luck with that! :thumbsup:
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:shakesfist: How is it bad long term to hand the team over to new guy after three bowl seasons in a row and better overall recruiting to work from?
turner, that's about it.
Really? So you seriously still think LHC LHC Bill Snyder was the second worst hire we could've made behind Gill? I mean, I understand that there's still the question of a long-term plan, but he's got a team of scrappy :star: :star: :star: at 7-0 with wins over Miami and 2 pretty good Big XII teams. And he's the SECOND WORST hire we could've made?
yeah, pretty much. thinking long term.
You must be just miserable.
Welp...good luck with that! :thumbsup:
you're right. This guy just seems like he's always down about something.
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turner, that's about it.
Really? So you seriously still think LHC Bill Snyder was the second worst hire we could've made behind Gill? I mean, I understand that there's still the question of a long-term plan, but he's got a team of scrappy :star: :star: :star: at 7-0 with wins over Miami and 2 pretty good Big XII teams. And he's the SECOND WORST hire we could've made?
yeah, pretty much. thinking long term.
You must be just miserable.
Welp...good luck with that! :thumbsup:
I'm very happy with the season. I've had a lot of fun.
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:shakesfist: How is it bad long term to hand the team over to new guy after three bowl seasons in a row and better overall recruiting to work from?
three bowl seasons in a row? when did that happen?
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If we are doing this good with Cosh as DCord just think how good we would be with leavit as DCord. We would probably be picked to win out now. Instead we will probably go 10-2 or 9-3. Should have been 12-0 :bang: :curse: :chainsaw:
Leavitt sucks. Always has, always will.
you take that back :shakesfist:
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:shakesfist: How is it bad long term to hand the team over to new guy after three bowl seasons in a row and better overall recruiting to work from?
three bowl seasons in a row? when did that happen?
counting next season after we win the NC next year (klein's senior year and all)
:comeatme:
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turner, that's about it.
Really? So you seriously still think LHC Bill Snyder was the second worst hire we could've made behind Gill? I mean, I understand that there's still the question of a long-term plan, but he's got a team of scrappy :star: :star: :star: at 7-0 with wins over Miami and 2 pretty good Big XII teams. And he's the SECOND WORST hire we could've made?
yeah, pretty much. thinking long term.
You must be just miserable.
Welp...good luck with that! :thumbsup:
I'm very happy with the season. I've had a lot of fun.
That's the problem with our fanbase. They're all wrapped up in the present and can't think about the future.
It's perfectly fine to be happy with the current season and still be pissed/worried about the future, especially since Snyder has a track record of getting lazy after big seasons.
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:shakesfist: How is it bad long term to hand the team over to new guy after three bowl seasons in a row and better overall recruiting to work from?
three bowl seasons in a row? when did that happen?
counting next season after we win the NC next year (klein's senior year and all)
:comeatme:
and bill would just step down after that? mmkay.
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Step down, die, tomato. ta-mah-to.
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:shakesfist: How is it bad long term to hand the team over to new guy after three bowl seasons in a row and better overall recruiting to work from?
three bowl seasons in a row? when did that happen?
counting next season after we win the NC next year (klein's senior year and all)
:comeatme:
and bill would just step down after that? mmkay.
In the event of Bill actually winning a national championship, who the eff cares if he steps down/dies/whatever. None of it would matter. We will have already won.
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yeah, pretty much. thinking long term.
Long term, Snyder is absolutely destroying this program.
From roster depth to TV exposure, we're spiraling. By 2013, who knows how much damage he'll have done...
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I'm very happy with the season. I've had a lot of fun.
What about next season? Do you think that'll be fun?
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turner, that's about it.
Really? So you seriously still think LHC Bill Snyder was the second worst hire we could've made behind Gill? I mean, I understand that there's still the question of a long-term plan, but he's got a team of scrappy :star: :star: :star: at 7-0 with wins over Miami and 2 pretty good Big XII teams. And he's the SECOND WORST hire we could've made?
yeah, pretty much. thinking long term.
You must be just miserable.
Welp...good luck with that! :thumbsup:
I'm very happy with the season. I've had a lot of fun.
That's the problem with our fanbase. They're all wrapped up in the present and can't think about the future.
It's perfectly fine to be happy with the current season and still be pissed/worried about the future, especially since Snyder has a track record of getting lazy after big seasons.
But it's rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) to still say that a coach that has us at 7-0 with 4 conference wins is the second worst hire we could've made. It wreaks of somebody that can't admit he might've been wrong.
I mean, does the fact that we hired Snyder again automatically mean that our next coach is going to suck? If our coach dies of old age on the sidelines do we have to forfeit the rest of the season? I'm just trying to figure out what I should be pissed/worried about. And how far out should I be worried/pissed about?
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We were wrong. We were all wrong. goEMAW's ego in aggregate has taken a huge hit.
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I'm very happy with the season. I've had a lot of fun.
What about next season? Do you think that'll be fun?
Does Arthur Brown stay?
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:shakesfist: How is it bad long term to hand the team over to new guy after three bowl seasons in a row and better overall recruiting to work from?
three bowl seasons in a row? when did that happen?
counting next season after we win the NC next year (klein's senior year and all)
:comeatme:
and bill would just step down after that? mmkay.
In the event of Bill actually winning a national championship, who the eff cares if he steps down/dies/whatever. None of it would matter. We will have already won.
Bill needs to win about 9 or 10 in a row to really establish us as a national power. Even shitty programs like Nebraska and Texas win a national championship every once in a while. We need to get up in the OU/USC/Bama range.
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wow i came out looking great in that thread
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wow i came out looking great in that thread
so did i. three posts in the whole thread and two were wanting to have mike leach and the other was agreeing w/ gosp about snyder not being that bad. a full year later and i still feel the same way. slammy dammy bing bong. good job 2010 darys.
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phew. just did a FFF check for all 26 pages. one indolent post.
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Yeah, because HOF coaches are beating down Curries door.
He hasn't coached like a HOF coach for probably a decade now though.
27-30 in conference going back to the 2001 season.
now 31-30 in conference since
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My only post was a bump to make fun of all you naysayers.
I ALWAYS BELIEVED*
*And if I ever said something to the contrary, I'll readily admit I was wrong. Anybody who can't do that looks absolutely foolish right now.
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:shakesfist: How is it bad long term to hand the team over to new guy after three bowl seasons in a row and better overall recruiting to work from?
three bowl seasons in a row? when did that happen?
this is interesting. You think this team, who returns 75% of the two deep...won't go to a bowl next year?
or is it just hoping?
don't worry, we'll beat OU Saturday and all will be well.