Fire LHC Bill Snyder Master Thread

[wetwillie]

If anything this thread is full of heroes that prodded Bill into making some well needed changes in the off season to get where we are today. 

[steve dave]

goEMAW's official stance is that we, the goEMAW community, were the ones that finally re-lit the fire in bill's old coaching belly.  pat yourselves on the back gang.  job well done. 

[Pete]

If anything this thread is full of heroes that prodded Bill into making some well needed changes in the off season to get where we are today. 

THIS.

We are like Jesus when he was trying to tell people to not eat poison apples from snakes.  Did those people like being told not to eat poison apples from snakes?  I'll wager that they did not like being told that.  Probably was not a very popular thing to do. Did that stop Jesus?  Obviously not.

Fast forward like 5000 years, and boom, 7-0 going into the OU game on homecoming.

Just. Like. Jesus.  go cats

[steve dave]

I'm pretty sure that was snow white Pete

[kso_FAN]

That was enjoyable thread to go back and re-read/skim.

[pissclams]

you should all be ashamed of yourselves.  

[Pete]

Snyder is a fart eater.

For posterity...

[EllToPay]

What on earth is Kansas State thinking? First, they fire their coach only two-plus years into his contract, thereby giving new meaning to the word "panicking." Then they bring back the coach they were trying to ease into retirement! LHC Bill Snyder is 69 years old, his top assistants from his heyday are all head coaches and he'll be working with an empty cupboard, as Ron Prince stocked up on juco transfers. Is K-State trying to replace Iowa State as the laughing stock of the league? -- Phil O'Donoghue, Florence, Mass.

Mandel: You know those motivational posters that people hang in their offices with just a picture and a single word, like "persistence" or "perseverance?" Kansas State AD Bob Krause ought to hang one on his wall that just says: "Desperation."

Look, what Snyder accomplished during his tenure in Manhattan was indescribably impressive. He took arguably the worst program in the country and turned it into an annual top-10 fixture during the late '90s and early 2000s. But one of the reasons the Wildcats find themselves in the situation they are today is that the program took a noticeable downturn during the last couple years of his tenure. One of the main reasons Prince felt the need to bring in so many juco players was due to a void of upperclassmen on his roster -- classes that were recruited during Snyder's last two years on the job.

Bringing him back in to "save the day" seems to me a classic case of small-time thinking. Snyder is still a revered figure at Kansas State, understandably so, and the fan base's only taste of football success came under his watch. At the first sign of trouble, they go begging for him to return. Meanwhile, Snyder, like so many coaches, always struck me as one of those single-minded guys that simply isn't suited for retirement. It's no surprise that when his school came calling, he jumped at the chance to come back.

But how exactly will this help Kansas State in the long term? No one, not even Snyder, is under the delusion he'll be there for more than a couple of years. The idea is he'll get things headed back in the right direction, then pass the buck to a hand-chosen successor. (Note that Prince was not Snyder's preferred replacement.) But how exactly will he do that? How do you sell recruits on a nebulous transition plan? Most likely, he'll go back to doing exactly what he did 10-15 years ago (as well as what Prince did) and bring in a bunch of juco kids who will be gone by the time the next coach arrives. Sorry, I don't see the Wildcats getting much better in a hurry.

[mcmwcat]

What on earth is Kansas State thinking? First, they fire their coach only two-plus years into his contract, thereby giving new meaning to the word "panicking." Then they bring back the coach they were trying to ease into retirement! LHC Bill Snyder is 69 years old, his top assistants from his heyday are all head coaches and he'll be working with an empty cupboard, as Ron Prince stocked up on juco transfers. Is K-State trying to replace Iowa State as the laughing stock of the league? -- Phil O'Donoghue, Florence, Mass.

Mandel: You know those motivational posters that people hang in their offices with just a picture and a single word, like "persistence" or "perseverance?" Kansas State AD Bob Krause ought to hang one on his wall that just says: "Desperation."

Look, what Snyder accomplished during his tenure in Manhattan was indescribably impressive. He took arguably the worst program in the country and turned it into an annual top-10 fixture during the late '90s and early 2000s. But one of the reasons the Wildcats find themselves in the situation they are today is that the program took a noticeable downturn during the last couple years of his tenure. One of the main reasons Prince felt the need to bring in so many juco players was due to a void of upperclassmen on his roster -- classes that were recruited during Snyder's last two years on the job.

Bringing him back in to "save the day" seems to me a classic case of small-time thinking. Snyder is still a revered figure at Kansas State, understandably so, and the fan base's only taste of football success came under his watch. At the first sign of trouble, they go begging for him to return. Meanwhile, Snyder, like so many coaches, always struck me as one of those single-minded guys that simply isn't suited for retirement. It's no surprise that when his school came calling, he jumped at the chance to come back.

But how exactly will this help Kansas State in the long term? No one, not even Snyder, is under the delusion he'll be there for more than a couple of years. The idea is he'll get things headed back in the right direction, then pass the buck to a hand-chosen successor. (Note that Prince was not Snyder's preferred replacement.) But how exactly will he do that? How do you sell recruits on a nebulous transition plan? Most likely, he'll go back to doing exactly what he did 10-15 years ago (as well as what Prince did) and bring in a bunch of juco kids who will be gone by the time the next coach arrives. Sorry, I don't see the Wildcats getting much better in a hurry.

mandel - BOOMROASTED .  bwhahahahahah

[WillieWatanabe]

I wouldn't buy.  He has until 3/4 into next year.

nice.

[Pete]

stewart mandel is a fart eater

[Pete]

I'm one of those people who feels like if you do not remember your history then you are destined to copy it, and no one likes a copy cat, so we need to just flush all that stuff out of heads and brains and focus on new things that are not from the past.

Hence, Arthur Brown is the only reason we are any good now. Tomato soup = bad, Arthur Brown at KSU = good.

Anyone on this message board who doesn't realize that the old stuff that LHC Bill Snyder inteded to copy by putting Cosh in charge of the defense was bad, is not focusing on new stuff.  They are copy cats.  Arthur Brown is 7-0.

[OK_Cat]

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[PoetWarrior]

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[mcmwcat]

haha

[steve dave]

 

[Dugout DickStone]

Phil O'Donoghue , Florence, Mass is the real dumbass here.

[ben ji]

How is our recruitng terrible this year?  Sams, Tuggle, Bryce, Arthur, Kennard, Meshak, Pease...  Seems like we're adding some very nice talent.  Also- we've played much of this season w/o our top 2 WRs.  But that wouldn't make any difference on any other team in the country, would it?  8-4 with 70 scholarship players may well get Snyder another Big 12 COTY.  Exactly who are we going to hire that would have done a better job this year?  Tuberville was an awful popular choice to be our next HC.  He sucks balls. 

All sorts of Gems in here

[_33]

goEMAW's official stance is that we, the goEMAW community, were the ones that finally re-lit the fire in bill's old coaching belly.  pat yourselves on the back gang.  job well done.  

Some people are motivated by encouraging words, pats on the back, and praise.  Others by the opportunity to prove doubters wrong. LHC Bill Snyder is obviously the latter. After our Big XII championship in 2003 there were no more doubters, no more criticism. With nobody to prove wrong LHC Bill Snyder lost his motivation to succeed and subsequently we had two of our most disappointing seasons in the LHC Bill Snyder era. Since his return, goEMAW.com has provided the doubt, criticism and personal attacks LHC Bill Snyder requires to be a successful coach.

[bubbles4ksu]

He's done better this year. No way he can keep it up.

[michigancat]

I regret NOTHING I said.

[Belvis Noland]

The simple fact is that we have a real possibility of being 10-1 this season.  We're not beating OSU in Stillwater. But OU, A&M, UT.  Who knows.

A huge part of this is Snyder.  His coaching/discipline.  His motivation.  Somehow, he's got this team in the Top 10.  We actually look like a legitimate program again.  There is not a single person on this board who saw this coming. 

Is he the future?  Is he more than a 3-4 year fix?  Absolutely not. 

But for eff's sake.  Give some credit where credit is due.  If everything pans out (i.e. we return this ENTIRE team year), this program will be in a very solid position to bring in a quality head coach. 



Will we make the right hire?  Probably not.  We're K-State.  But god damn, how can anybody sit here, now, at 7-0, and say that bringing in Snyder was a bad decision?

[bigwillie20]

The simple fact is that we have a real possibility of being 10-1 this season.  We're not beating OSU in Stillwater. But OU, A&M, UT.  Who knows.

A huge part of this is Snyder.  His coaching/discipline.  His motivation.  Somehow, he's got this team in the Top 10.  We actually look like a legitimate program again.  There is not a single person on this board who saw this coming. 

Is he the future?  Is he more than a 3-4 year fix?  Absolutely not. 

But for eff's sake.  Give some credit where credit is due.  If everything pans out (i.e. we return this ENTIRE team year), this program will be in a very solid position to bring in a quality head coach. 



Will we make the right hire?  Probably not.  We're K-State.  But god damn, how can anybody sit here, now, at 7-0, and say that bringing in Snyder was a bad decision?

Not a chance in hell we go 10-1

[Rage Against the McKee]

The simple fact is that we have a real possibility of being 10-1 this season.  We're not beating OSU in Stillwater. But OU, A&M, UT.  Who knows.

A huge part of this is Snyder.  His coaching/discipline.  His motivation.  Somehow, he's got this team in the Top 10.  We actually look like a legitimate program again.  There is not a single person on this board who saw this coming. 

Is he the future?  Is he more than a 3-4 year fix?  Absolutely not. 

But for eff's sake.  Give some credit where credit is due.  If everything pans out (i.e. we return this ENTIRE team year), this program will be in a very solid position to bring in a quality head coach. 



Will we make the right hire?  Probably not.  We're K-State.  But god damn, how can anybody sit here, now, at 7-0, and say that bringing in Snyder was a bad decision?

Not a chance in hell we go 10-1

12-0 or bust.

[Belvis Noland]

Not a chance in hell we go 10-1

It's improbable. 

OU - probably lose
@OSU (L)
A&M - probably win
@UT - may win
ISU (W)