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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: steve dave on August 25, 2020, 09:16:43 AM
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lmao
https://twitter.com/danldixon/status/1298159365795405826
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https://twitter.com/7im/status/1298121475631669251
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https://twitter.com/pink_funk/status/1298230707735625733
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Which trump kid was completely gacked on chowder last night?
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i just pray that a documentarian captured his mirror speech to himself before going out
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i just pray that a documentarian captured his mirror speech to himself before going out
The speech was prerecorded, right?
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https://twitter.com/pink_funk/status/1298230707735625733
Jesus H Christ!!! Trump hired Nazis to stump for him? or she watched that movie and gave her version?
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https://twitter.com/Mobute/status/1298088870316257280
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Folks
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:lol:
Except for those who never watched them, so it'll work on plenty of rubes
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https://twitter.com/benpershing/status/1298392885587574785
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LOL ok.
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1298437407554121729
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https://twitter.com/franifio/status/1298436673210994690?s=21
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https://twitter.com/jose_pagliery/status/1298432819828535297
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Oh look, yet another Trump thread for the resident BidenBot echo chamber, featuring utterly obsessed, SteveDave :lol: :lol: :lol:
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The Trumplican Party :love: The stevedaves :Yuck:
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Oh look, yet another Drumpf thread for the resident BidenBot echo chamber, featuring utterly obsessed, SteveDave :lol: :lol: :lol:
Weird flex from the guy who starts like 1/2 the threads in the pit, 1/2 of those about Hillary, who lives rent free in dax's dome.
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Oh look, yet another Drumpf thread for the resident BidenBot echo chamber, featuring utterly obsessed, SteveDave :lol: :lol: :lol:
Weird flex from the guy who starts like 1/2 the threads in the pit, 1/2 of those about Hillary, who lives rent free in dax's dome.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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https://twitter.com/iamcardib/status/1298471455512858629
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When your most noteworthy career accomplishment is being investigated for fraud...
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amaze.
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https://twitter.com/iamcardib/status/1298471455512858629
when cardi b is dunking on you its time to move
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Night 2 was boring. I don't have much hope that anyone will be able top coked up Kim and Don Jr.
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Maybe for night 4 they will bring out all of the greatest hits from the first 3 nights and we get an even more coked up Jr.
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I am not watching but would appreciate the updates on tacit Q references ITT.
I am assuming there will be some "here comes the storm" beta/incel/Q crap before they are done and I don't want to miss it.
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One of yesterday's Q speakers fell victim to cancel culture because she posted something about evil Jews wanting to take over the world earlier in the day.
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Oh, man. He'd be super grumpy over this.
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1298635289326497799
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Celebrating a National Disaster to own Trump. Good stuff, Chum!
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Oh, man. He'd be super grumpy over this.
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1298635289326497799
He might try and nuke it to prevent this from happening.
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Oh, man. He'd be super grumpy over this.
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1298635289326497799
He might try and nuke it to prevent this from happening.
lmfao, he actually said that once.
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Laura is looming.
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Celebrating a National Disaster to own Trump. Good stuff, Chum!
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Not usually one to correct grammar, but the hurricane is a NATURAL disaster
Trump is the national disaster
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Weird thing to cheer on, knowing people are going to die and all. I know the difference though, so thanks.
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LET'S GO LAURA!!! Any chance it will be a category 5!?!?!? :excited:
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Celebrating a National Disaster to own Trump. Good stuff, Chum!
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Saying trump would be angry over a hurricane taking his spotlight isn't cheering on the hurricane but ok. Though chum did clarify it for you since you asked for it.
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When trumpers accuse someone of cheering for corona or a hurricane it’s just a death rattle. It’s because the campaign is loading up on Q theories in a kamikaze attempt.
It’s also sad AF to see
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When trumpers accuse someone of cheering for corona or a hurricane it’s just a death rattle. It’s because the campaign is loading up on Q theories in a kamikaze attempt.
It’s also sad AF to see
It's just amazing to me to see when the reaction to an event going on and pointing out that it'll knock trump off the front page, automatically means said something else is being cheered on. It's such a non sequitur.
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The hurricane is not real. The Dem-infested media is creating weather graphics that show a hurricane is approaching Texas/Louisiana to deflect from RNC.
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Pretty close to how I imagined a Trump Presidency would turn out
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1298736365635502080
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If there's any political party that knows about failed states, it's the political party whose leaders helped create at least 4 to 6 (at minimum) failed states across the globe in the last 25 years.
So this must be taken under consideration.
Good to know a major proponent of creating failed states is once again the Dem Pres nominee . . . and he's openly admitting he'll be leading us back into the failed state business starting with . . . Turkey.
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Things honestly aren't quite as bad as I figured they would be.
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Things honestly aren't quite as bad as I figured they would be.
Same, but I think that’s almost entirely because the market has continued a pretty impressive winning streak ever since Obama’s second term (which makes the “economic calamity” statement pretty disingenuous, btw). Take that away and things would feel a lot more dire all around.
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Global Pandemic started in a foreign country
A hurricane at the height of hurricane season hitting locations that have been hit by numerous storms over the millennia
Civil unrest in Dem stronghold cities
Systemic racism which was enabled by the 50 year DC insider who is now the Dem pres nominee
Economic calamity is global but CornoaBro Drama boys and Dem Gubs have helped to ensure it was worse in the U.S. then it should have been (replete with calling Dem grandma killing governors heroes)
Police Brutality: Primarily in Dem controlled cities
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Things honestly aren't quite as bad as I figured they would be.
So tens of millions unemployed, tons of sports/events/vacations, etc cancelled, 180k dead from something other places are doing much better at, and protests in the streets was not where your mind was at? More crazy than that? Whether he is directly blamed for that or not, his lack of anything forces me to wear a goddamn mask everywhere I go (which I am ok with) but I am not sure how you look around and be like "yeah, this wasn't as bad as I thought". Love to hear what you thought it was going to be.
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Things honestly aren't quite as bad as I figured they would be.
So tens of millions unemployed, tons of sports/events/vacations, etc cancelled, 180k dead from something other places are doing much better at, and protests in the streets was not where your mind was at? More crazy than that? Whether he is directly blamed for that or not, his lack of anything forces me to wear a goddamn mask everywhere I go (which I am ok with) but I am not sure how you look around and be like "yeah, this wasn't as bad as I thought". Love to hear what you thought it was going to be.
I figured we would be on the wrong side of a war somewhere by now, with the economy performing worse than it has. The handling of the pandemic is predictably awful, but it's not really as bad as conducting warfare with a commander in chief who doesn't read his intelligence briefings would be.
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That's okay Rage, your guy will have us right back in the hardcore war business soon enough.
You guys keep fighting the pres trying to get the U.S. out of war, by pulling out those things like that "hard intelligence". Which you guys now absolutely :love: :love:
If our intelligence agencies are saying it: The New Democratic party is believing it (on a case by case basis and primarily if they think it makes OrangeMan look bad. Subject to change without notice)
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I gave trump about a 10% chance of firing off a nuke, so it's definitely not as bad as I thought it could be.
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chinstalker wrote (and then deleted):
Your voting for a guy who's doing all of that though, so it's hard to take your very seriously.
Once again, we already know you're a non thinking straight ticket voter, Chin
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Yeah I wanted it be clear it was in reply to your post but another post snuck in ahead which made it confusing. Also I misspelled you're which was embarrassing.
But I still don't understand why you're voting for a someone who stands for everything you oppose.
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Yeah I wanted it be clear it was in reply to your post but another post snuck in ahead which made it confusing. Also I misspelled you're which was embarrassing.
But I still don't understand why you're voting for a someone who stands for everything you oppose.
Yes Chin, I oppose . . . everything.
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How can anyone with a conscious support this rich bastard that hates the poor, besides whacky & Dax. There are a few others, but those chicken shits quit posting long ago.
https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1298677901739597828?August 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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I’m not a Trump supporter, dipshit!
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Yes, just a trump voter
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Yes, just a trump voter
I’m a blue voter now, idiot, and I already hate it. It’s well documented on here now. Sheesh.
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Yes, just a trump voter
I’m a blue voter now, idiot, and I already hate it. It’s well documented on here now. Sheesh.
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No there's no take backsies I'm sorry
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Yes, just a trump voter
I’m a blue voter now, idiot, and I already hate it. It’s well documented on here now. Sheesh.
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No there's no take backsies I'm sorry
We’d be in no better position right now with Hillary and I’ll take that to my grave. I’m voting for change, not dipshit durps. It’s a wasted vote anyways, so who really cares? What’s your top 3 favorite policies of Biden’s, other than him not being Trump?
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There was huge racial divide during Obama’s stay at the end. If anything, Trump has helped the change, by being a colossal dipshit and everyone rallying against him. I’m sure Hillary would have just ignored the movement after getting their vote in ‘16. She loves rich ppl and #PedophileIsland and killing people. #Biden2020
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What’s your top 3 favorite policies of Biden’s, other than him not being Trump?
his immigration policy is fantastic. his climate change policy is also very good. throw a dart for the third.
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Nobody should support these crooked rich bastards, but you are. They don't give one eff about the working class, except for their tax money. Most of these fuckers get so much government support with our tax money that they love politicians for making laws and bills to help them make money. They know how to get what they want out of the government, so they need the right ppl. in to help them complete their agendas. It doesn't matter who you vote for, cause you're just putting a crook in to do the bidding for the rich fucks that supported them.
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There was huge racial divide during Obama’s stay at the end. If anything, Trump has helped the change, by being a colossal dipshit and everyone rallying against him.
Wacky the accelerationist! :emawkid:
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it's not a very difficult test, but a test of the nation's intelligence nonetheless.
https://twitter.com/poniewozik/status/1298818483803893760
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that reminds me, this is a really good thread.
https://twitter.com/normative/status/1298738662532935681
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Yes, just a trump voter
I’m a blue voter now, idiot, and I already hate it. It’s well documented on here now. Sheesh.
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Paul, you're lying just like dax is. Your recent post history is filled with maga twitter talking points. All of the greatest hits, coronabros, cancel culture, libs want us to just stay at home, kamala thinks joe is a racist, lots of lashing out at harris and aoc, blah blah blah.
Dems acting like they care about troops is almost as adorable as Dems acting like they care about Job loss during covid and bitching about the death count.
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I don't understand this wacky. Why wouldn't Dems care about troops or job loss even though they think too many people have died?
Did you watch the convention? They’re playing up covid deaths, the economy, and unemployment. Like the left didn’t want to shut down everything, so the numbers all around fall on Trump and company no matter what...
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Dems acting like they care about troops is almost as adorable as Dems acting like they care about Job loss during covid and bitching about the death count.
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Sounds like a "blue" voter to me
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I gotta say, I don’t get the Paul Allen thing. Great Movie character. Is there someone over on KSO that’s named Paul Allen that MIR follows around?
MIR, I can still have conservative thoughts and think the leader of the free world is total eff boy. You make fun of plenty of blue durps on here as well. I will say, I was confused why the media was going into overdrive chasing covid numbers at lake outings, biker crap, etc. but ignoring them during protests. Guess that makes me MAGA AF. Oh well, silly me for asking questions.
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No offense to 420seriouscat69, but I bet you end up voting for trump again. Something will happen to knock you back over and you'll blame democrats for making you do it.
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I’m voting Biden or not voting at all. I won’t leave the couch to vote for Trump again.
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I’m voting Biden or not voting at all. I won’t leave the couch to vote for Trump again.
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There's no reason to leave the couch to vote. Play the system Wacks and you can probably vote from your couch and only have to walk to your mailbox 10-15 times.
If you have them, I bet you can get a few votes in for your pets as well.
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Remember in 2016 when like 5 of dax's neighbors proudly admitted to him they engaged in voter fraud? I wonder how many in his white flight suburban gated condo community will admit voter fraud to him this year?
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If mail in voter fraud is really a thing, I'd totally expect it to benefit Trump way more than Biden.
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Nice made up story Bidenbot.7
The THC levels must be tremendous right now.
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If mail in voter fraud is really a thing, I'd totally expect it to benefit Trump way more than Biden.
Elections officials in Detroit would like to have a word . . .
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get kobach back on this job. he doesn't have crap to do (unless he's in jail now).
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In reality, wacky is either voting for Trump or not voting, which is the correct thing for him to do.
People should vote for the candidates who share their values.
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What are my values, Chings?
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What are my values, Chings?
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Chings is a straight ticket voter, so he doesn't put much thought into the process.
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What are my values, Chings?
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The same values that lead you to vote for Trump before.
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The economy. Got it.
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You can lie to us, but don't lie to yourself.
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Whatever makes you happy, bud.
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Whatever makes you happy, bud.
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Don't engage the straight ticket non thinking voter, Wacks.
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What has trump done to lose your vote 420seriouscat69?
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Dax can you explain how NC republicans were caught in voter fraud? We need to forward that scheme to other SOS so they can stop it!
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Dax can you explain how NC republicans were caught in voter fraud? We need to forward that scheme to other SOS so they can stop it!
Phil, if you knew about that area like I do, you would know it's a hotbed of corruption on both sides of the aisle.
But I do agree, I don't see how we can have any issues with wide scale mail in voting. Here's an example of how smoothly it can operate:
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/20/benson-asked-investigate-detroit-perfect-storm-voting-problems/5616629002/
In 46% of all Detroit's precincts — absentee and Election Day — vote counts were out of balance, according to information presented Tuesday to the Wayne County Board of Canvassers. Specifically, the number of ballots tracked in precinct poll books did not match the number of ballots counted.
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Dax can you explain how NC republicans were caught in voter fraud? We need to forward that scheme to other SOS so they can stop it!
Phil, if you knew about that area like I do,
That's literally why I asked you. How did your republicans get caught cheating in that election? How can we prevent it from happening other places?
it's like constant projection with you. The thing you bitch about is the exact thing the people you vote for are actually doing. Every time.
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Dax can you explain how NC republicans were caught in voter fraud? We need to forward that scheme to other SOS so they can stop it!
Phil, if you knew about that area like I do,
That's literally why I asked you. How did your republicans get caught cheating in that election? How can we prevent it from happening other places?
it's like constant projection with you. The thing you bitch about is the exact thing the people you vote for are actually doing. Every time.
Oh Phil. You're so sad and pathetic. You'll note that I have primarily attacked the process and the absurdity of it all and attacked the fear mongering and the "we're all gonna die" if healthy people go and vote while practicing social distancing and proper Global Pandemic procedure. That people like you constantly propagate. It's bullshit and you know it.
Per usual, you completely failed to address the situation in Detroit (that's just one example). Who could have possibly seen (yet another) absentee ballot clusterfuck in a Dem stronghold?
The anecdotal stories pour in of people receiving multiple ballots, people getting ballots from places they don't even live anymore, people receiving ballots for the long deceased relatives . . . and policy wonks like you tell us not to worry. :lol:
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Dax can you explain how NC republicans were caught in voter fraud? We need to forward that scheme to other SOS so they can stop it!
Phil, if you knew about that area like I do,
That's literally why I asked you. How did your republicans get caught cheating in that election? How can we prevent it from happening other places?
it's like constant projection with you. The thing you bitch about is the exact thing the people you vote for are actually doing. Every time.
Oh Phil. You're so sad and pathetic. You'll note that I have primarily attacked the process and the absurdity of it all and attacked the fear mongering and the "we're all gonna die" if healthy people go and vote while practicing social distancing and proper Global Pandemic procedure. That people like you constantly propagate. It's bullshit and you know it.
Per usual, you completely failed to address the situation in Detroit (that's just one example). Who could have possibly seen (yet another) absentee ballot clusterfuck in a Dem stronghold?
The anecdotal stories pour in of people receiving multiple ballots, people getting ballots from places they don't even live anymore, people receiving ballots for the long deceased relatives . . . and policy wonks like you tell us not to worry. :lol:
Who was charged with a felony in Detroit like was in NC? Why deal with anecdotes when we have a real case with evidence and everything?
I'm all for mail in ballots pandemic or not. Oregon has a great process. I want as many people voting as possible since you know this is a democracy. Unlike you who want only your team voting and make it as hard as possible for people to vote who don't agree with you.
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Dax can you explain how NC republicans were caught in voter fraud? We need to forward that scheme to other SOS so they can stop it!
Phil, if you knew about that area like I do,
That's literally why I asked you. How did your republicans get caught cheating in that election? How can we prevent it from happening other places?
it's like constant projection with you. The thing you bitch about is the exact thing the people you vote for are actually doing. Every time.
Oh Phil. You're so sad and pathetic. You'll note that I have primarily attacked the process and the absurdity of it all and attacked the fear mongering and the "we're all gonna die" if healthy people go and vote while practicing social distancing and proper Global Pandemic procedure. That people like you constantly propagate. It's bullshit and you know it.
Per usual, you completely failed to address the situation in Detroit (that's just one example). Who could have possibly seen (yet another) absentee ballot clusterfuck in a Dem stronghold?
The anecdotal stories pour in of people receiving multiple ballots, people getting ballots from places they don't even live anymore, people receiving ballots for the long deceased relatives . . . and policy wonks like you tell us not to worry. :lol:
Who was charged with a felony in Detroit like was in NC? Why deal with anecdotes when we have a real case with evidence and everything?
I'm all for mail in ballots pandemic or not. Oregon has a great process. I want as many people voting as possible since you know this is a democracy. Unlike you who want only your team voting and make it as hard as possible for people to vote who don't agree with you.
Phil, you're trying to compare a rural area in NC that's nothing but hog farms and pine trees to major cities.
Detroit is just another example of a total absentee ballot clusterfuck and your answer is to tell me to look at . . . Oregon.
This is not an attack an absentee balloting for those that truly need it, Phil. It's the BS that drama boys like you constantly spew about the dangers of voting in person. The majority of these states literally have tens of thousands of college students piled up on college campuses right now, and political advocates telling people that it's okay to gather by the 1000's and protest (and riot and loot). Yet your telling me and us that it's too dangerous for the majority of people to go vote in person.
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You do a great job of making up things people say but never say or even think. I've never once posted about dangers of in person voting. Engaging with you is ridiculous and gets nowhere. I'm an idiot for attempting for so long.
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You do a great job of making up things people say but never say or even think. I've never once posted about dangers of in person voting. Engaging with you is ridiculous and gets nowhere. I'm an idiot for attempting for so long.
You're wrong drama boy.
I'm an idiot for even entertaining your constant state of meltdown and refusal to address all of what's being discussed.
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You bringing up something out of left field isn't "what is being discussed" it's you daxflected because you were called out an have no defense.
I'm not sure your definition of meltdown but mine is bringing up bleachbiting of emails 5 years later on a daily basis.
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It would appear that mail in ballots are the reality so whining about it is not going to do crap
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You bringing up something out of left field isn't "what is being discussed" it's you daxflected because you were called out an have no defense.
I'm not sure your definition of meltdown but mine is bringing up bleachbiting of emails 5 years later on a daily basis.
The emails are only brought up by me now because you guys keep bringing them up and I'm just :lol: :lol: at your constant protection of what was wide scale corruption and outright lies. But I know you guys don't care if Dems are arming some of the worst people in the world.
You wanted to discuss mail in balloting, Phil. I discussed that. Now if you don't think there can be voter fraud when say, a major metro area has FORTY SIX PERCENT of it's mail in ballots eff'd up, then you're just as delusional as I've always thought.
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You bringing up something out of left field isn't "what is being discussed" it's you daxflected because you were called out an have no defense.
I'm not sure your definition of meltdown but mine is bringing up bleachbiting of emails 5 years later on a daily basis.
The emails are only brought up by me now because you guys keep bringing them up and I'm just :lol: :lol: at your constant protection of what was wide scale corruption and outright lies. But I know you guys don't care if Dems are arming some of the worst people in the world.
You wanted to discuss mail in balloting, Phil. I discussed that. Now if you don't think there can be voter fraud when say, a major metro area has FORTY SIX PERCENT of it's mail in ballots eff'd up, then you're just as delusional as I've always thought.
I don't have the desire to double check your story which I'm sure is misinformed since everything else you post is so I'll just say let's help Detroit get better. The answer isn't eliminating mail in voting.
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You bringing up something out of left field isn't "what is being discussed" it's you daxflected because you were called out an have no defense.
I'm not sure your definition of meltdown but mine is bringing up bleachbiting of emails 5 years later on a daily basis.
The emails are only brought up by me now because you guys keep bringing them up and I'm just :lol: :lol: at your constant protection of what was wide scale corruption and outright lies. But I know you guys don't care if Dems are arming some of the worst people in the world.
You wanted to discuss mail in balloting, Phil. I discussed that. Now if you don't think there can be voter fraud when say, a major metro area has FORTY SIX PERCENT of it's mail in ballots eff'd up, then you're just as delusional as I've always thought.
I don't have the desire to double check your story which I'm sure is misinformed since everything else you post is so I'll just say let's help Detroit get better. The answer isn't eliminating mail in voting.
Not a soul is talking about eliminating mail-in voting, Phil
This is why I rightly call you delusional.
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So what is your point Dax? If you need to refer back to some Trump speeches I'll wait.
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Engaging with you is ridiculous and gets nowhere. I'm an idiot for attempting for so long.
Keep this same energy.
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Engaging with you is ridiculous and gets nowhere. I'm an idiot for attempting for so long.
Keep this same energy.
He learns from his orange baked leader
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So what is your point Dax? If you need to refer back to some Trump speeches I'll wait.
OMG :lol:
Your party wants mass mail-in voting.
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I'm a republican and I want massive mail in voting. I think mail in voting is a universal thing people want and mostly already use. I always vote by mail. I want all things that help all people vote actually.
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OMG
Mail-in voting: When I don't really want to be sure my vote will actually count
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OMG
Mail-in voting: When I don't really want to be sure my vote will actually count
meh. It doesn't really anyway so why make it a huge pita
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Also as a Republican, I want main-in voting not just for myself but for rural America. Giving additional conveniences to gain voting participants should be what everyone wants in this country. If people think it creates a fraudulent system, lets figure out how to make it better versus remove it.
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Americans: Now more lazy than ever
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OMG
Mail-in voting: When I don't really want to be sure my vote will actually count
I'd never known if my vote counted until mail-in voting.
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I'm sorry you guys live in 3rd world hell holes that don't have systems that can process your vote right in front of your face. :frown: :frown:
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So what is your point Dax? If you need to refer back to some Trump speeches I'll wait.
OMG :lol:
Your party wants mass mail-in voting.
Actually I'll take online voting please. Mail in voting was a great idea in 1995.
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Yes, let's have online voting run by a party that apparently does their passwords with P A S S W O R D 1
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Yes, let's have online voting run by a party that apparently does their passwords with P A S S W O R D 1
Dax doesn't know how voting works :cry:
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We are SO close to a “but her emails!” reference
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I don't remember anything happening in my face last time I voted in KS, but in 100% mail-in world, my ballot is tracked all the way through and I see my whole voting history 4 eva.
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Yes, let's have online voting run by a party that apparently does their passwords with P A S S W O R D 1
Dax doesn't know how voting works :cry:
Election commissions/boards only list the political parties of the commissioners because they feel like it (Phil Titola)
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Yes, let's have online voting run by a party that apparently does their passwords with P A S S W O R D 1
the hilarious part is this is a very complex password that would take a long time to crack. Good job Dax!
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Yes, let's have online voting run by a party that apparently does their passwords with P A S S W O R D 1
the hilarious part is this is a very complex password that would take a long time to crack. Good job Dax!
Oh yes, a professional hacker from a nation-state's cyber security/intelligence entity would be bamboozled by that password for weeks, Phil.
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Yes, let's have online voting run by a party that apparently does their passwords with P A S S W O R D 1
the hilarious part is this is a very complex password that would take a long time to crack. Good job Dax!
Oh yes, a professional hacker from a nation-state's cyber security/intelligence entity would be bamboozled by that password for weeks, Phil.
Time to crack your password: 24 thousand trillion years
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Yes, let's have online voting run by a party that apparently does their passwords with P A S S W O R D 1
the hilarious part is this is a very complex password that would take a long time to crack. Good job Dax!
Oh yes, a professional hacker from a nation-state's cyber security/intelligence entity would be bamboozled by that password for weeks, Phil.
Time to crack your password: 24 thousand trillion years
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Powerful computers wouldn't even break a sweat on that one, Phil.
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Yes. Mail-In voting = lazy.
I can't wait to tell the elderly, handicap, and people who depend on public transit that they are lazy mother fuckers for voting via mail.
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Yes. Mail-In voting = lazy.
I can't wait to tell the elderly, handicap, and people who depend on public transit that they are lazy mother fuckers for voting via mail.
And have to wait in lines for hours on a work day to vote after pubs have shut down hundreds of polling locations
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So what is your point Dax? If you need to refer back to some Trump speeches I'll wait.
OMG :lol:
Your party wants mass mail-in voting.
Actually I'll take online voting please. Mail in voting was a great idea in 1995.
That can happen soon if people didn't try to block it (they will). But I read (post below) about how the secret ballot will make it tricky.
These days the demand for a secret ballot creates a gordian knot for election officials who might otherwise see efficiency advantages and cost-savings in a broad switch to online voting. However, there is simply no proven way to both keep an online ballot secret and guarantee its authenticity.
“You have a huge authentication problem in the beginning to verify that the voter is who they actually say they are,” said Susan Dzieduszycka-Suinat, President and CEO of U.S. Vote Foundation. “Then you have to separate the actual ballot from the identity of the voter to create an anonymous transaction. Once you’ve done that, how do you verify that any vote belongs to any voter and how does the voter check their work later? That decoupling throws a technical wrench in the works and creates a challenge that people haven’t been able to conquer.”
The solution then for 28 of the 32 states that use some form of online voting is to have voters waive their right to a secret ballot, therefore enabling officials to identify the voter and accurately trace and verify the vote. However, waiving one’s right to a secret ballot raises red flags for voting rights advocates who see the voluntary surrender of such rights as creating an alarming precedent and potentially setting the stage for a reversion back to the rampant political corruption that was commonplace before the secret ballot.
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It's very weird that some people don't understand the difference between the usual mail-in voting and mass mail-in voting, but apparently some idiots on this board will have to have it explained to them.
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Yes. Mail-In voting = lazy.
I can't wait to tell the elderly, handicap, and people who depend on public transit that they are lazy mother fuckers for voting via mail.
And have to wait in lines for hours on a work day to vote after pubs have shut down hundreds of polling locations
Again, sorry you live in a place that's apparently extremely disorganized and poorly run.
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Yes. Mail-In voting = lazy.
I can't wait to tell the elderly, handicap, and people who depend on public transit that they are lazy mother fuckers for voting via mail.
And have to wait in lines for hours on a work day to vote after pubs have shut down hundreds of polling locations
Again, sorry you live in a place that's apparently extremely disorganized and poorly run.
ensure you drag this republican leadership with the same rigor as "democratic strongholds" with protests :dunno:
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Stop generalizing mail-in voting if you differentiate the two. Most know certain states only accept approved exceptions in order to vote by mail. Location of polling places and lack of transportation doesn't fall into that category.
Calling people lazy for wanting the convenience to vote by mail is plain ignorant, or...purposefully stated because those are the folks you want to see suppressed.
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Yes. Mail-In voting = lazy.
I can't wait to tell the elderly, handicap, and people who depend on public transit that they are lazy mother fuckers for voting via mail.
And have to wait in lines for hours on a work day to vote after pubs have shut down hundreds of polling locations
Again, sorry you live in a place that's apparently extremely disorganized and poorly run.
ensure you drag this republican leadership with the same rigor as "democratic strongholds" with protests :dunno:
I don't know what "Republican Stronghold" is being referenced. The polling place troubles of multiple Dem strongholds are well known, though.
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https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1299084163816058880?s=21
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Yes. Mail-In voting = lazy.
I can't wait to tell the elderly, handicap, and people who depend on public transit that they are lazy mother fuckers for voting via mail.
And have to wait in lines for hours on a work day to vote after pubs have shut down hundreds of polling locations
Again, sorry you live in a place that's apparently extremely disorganized and poorly run.
Lol, I live in a plce well run, and by dems, pubs on MO side decided to cut poling locations to suppress voter turnout in STL and KC, but BLAME THE DEMS- dax
Weird hill for you to die on about voting by mail, you must probably also hate people who work abroad, and the military too.
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The economy. Got it.
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The economy was growing and unemployment was shrinking at the same rate in November 2016 as it was in January 2020.
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I firmly believe mail-in voting benefits Republicans more than Democrats.
I typically early vote to avoid long lines.
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Yes. Mail-In voting = lazy.
I can't wait to tell the elderly, handicap, and people who depend on public transit that they are lazy mother fuckers for voting via mail.
And have to wait in lines for hours on a work day to vote after pubs have shut down hundreds of polling locations
Again, sorry you live in a place that's apparently extremely disorganized and poorly run.
Lol, I live in a plce well run, and by dems, pubs on MO side decided to cut poling locations to suppress voter turnout in STL and KC, but BLAME THE DEMS- dax
Weird hill for you to die on about voting by mail, you must probably also hate people who work abroad, and the military too.
LOL . . . I haven't once called for the end of mail-in voting. I'll mark you down as another one who doesn't understand the concept of mass mail-in voting.
Also :lol: at the constant excuses about pubs cutting poling places. Just a few weeks ago any St. Louis county voters could vote at any St. Louis county voting place (one example) . . . but I appreciate the attempt to make up a story. Curbside voting is also approved for St. Louis.
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The economy. Got it.
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The economy was growing and unemployment was shrinking at the same rate in November 2016 as it was in January 2020.
Yeah, I know. I didn’t think Hillary could sustain it. It was two of the worst options for President in the history of time. Live and learn. His recklessness and ignorance towards what’s happening in the world right now needs to end. I agree.
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Doesn’t mean I still don’t flinch at some of the political plays the left reach for these days. I can adjust my thoughts per issue.
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I mean...hopefully?
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1299159272975224834
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Holy crap. Rudy Guiliani is not well.
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Doesn’t mean I still don’t flinch at some of the political plays the left reach for these days. I can adjust my thoughts per issue.
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I don't doubt this but our skepticism comes from you only flinching or showing displeasure with issues from the left or issues that the right attributes to the left.
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I firmly believe mail-in voting benefits Republicans more than Democrats.
I typically early vote to avoid long lines.
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Not sure I 100% believe this but I do think the pubs can be just as dirty as the dems when it comes to b.s. mail in votes.
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Doesn’t mean I still don’t flinch at some of the political plays the left reach for these days. I can adjust my thoughts per issue.
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I don't doubt this but our skepticism comes from you only flinching or showing displeasure with issues from the left or issues that the right attributes to the left.
That’s fair. A lot of that has to do with the “fake news” crap that I buy into at times. I was a journalism grad, with 90% liberal professors. Sometimes I see how things are spun and it annoys me, but my intentions are good. I’ve been shamed by my own fam the last couple of years for shaming the bs that Trump does. #BLM movement, the wall, his twitter antics that Ignore racist acts, etc. My grandma has cancelled everyone in the NFL and I just role my eyes and move to the next subject when talking with her.
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Explode in rage is a massive understatement. Unless he means literally. Looking forward to meltdowns from them over Biden's lapel pin and whatnot.
https://twitter.com/jaynordlinger/status/1299160158887649287
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https://www.npr.org/2020/08/25/905953942/rnc-speaker-facing-federal-charges-of-insider-trading
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lmaOoooOOOoooooO
https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/status/1299172343797944323
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Hell yeah
https://twitter.com/fran_chambers/status/1299172239489855488
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Lol
https://twitter.com/jdelreal/status/1299177537612939264
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Haha
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I'm enjoying this speech for how boring and poorly delivered it is.
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The speech keeps getting worse. The words are supposed to be inspirational and he seriously sounds half asleep. Lol.
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I feel like this is historically bad. People in the future will talk about how bad it was. History is being made tonight!
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He is very moist.
It's almost like he doesn't remember he was in charge the past 4 years. All them democratic mayors I guess screwing everything up.
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Brain dead conservative:
https://twitter.com/baseballcrank/status/1299188172795138050
Member of libderp nation:
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1299189641443188738
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well, Biden doesn't need to call for a PED test for sure
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
idk. probably some third party dork.
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Ashamed MAGA it is!
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Look what Trump made Jim Gaffigan do
https://twitter.com/JimGaffigan/status/1299206772364902400
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Yes. Mail-In voting = lazy.
I can't wait to tell the elderly, handicap, and people who depend on public transit that they are lazy mother fuckers for voting via mail.
And have to wait in lines for hours on a work day to vote after pubs have shut down hundreds of polling locations
Again, sorry you live in a place that's apparently extremely disorganized and poorly run.
Lol, I live in a plce well run, and by dems, pubs on MO side decided to cut poling locations to suppress voter turnout in STL and KC, but BLAME THE DEMS- dax
Weird hill for you to die on about voting by mail, you must probably also hate people who work abroad, and the military too.
LOL . . . I haven't once called for the end of mail-in voting. I'll mark you down as another one who doesn't understand the concept of mass mail-in voting.
Also :lol: at the constant excuses about pubs cutting poling places. Just a few weeks ago any St. Louis county voters could vote at any St. Louis county voting place (one example) . . . but I appreciate the attempt to make up a story. Curbside voting is also approved for St. Louis.
They absolute do you dipshit,
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Texas-has-closed-more-polling-places-than-any-14429443.php
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-locations/southern-us-states-have-closed-1200-polling-places-in-recent-years-rights-group-idUSKCN1VV09J
And what, do I have wrong about mass mail in voting? Do you think I think it's unsafe (lolz) the post office can't handle it (even if it handles more than the entire us pop in mail daily 420+ million parcels). And why can't we have more voting, More options? Seems pretty easy, especially since all top pubs do it all the time.
So tell me, pray tell, what I have wrong. Or is the hopped up amphetamine (since you post so much and can't stop all day everyday, probably jealous of trump's drug addiction) court jester going to keep fighting this battle cause he needs another kick
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
idk. probably some third party dork.
Just vote for trump bro.
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They should combine election day and tax day and you can just vote on your tax return
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
idk. probably some third party dork.
Just vote for trump bro.
What makes you say that?
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I'm enjoying this speech for how boring and poorly delivered it is.
He read the prompter very well. I think the low energy he exhibited was his age/morbid obesity and possibly some type of depressants his doctors mixed up to keep him from flipping out/sniffing.
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I watched all of sweaty low energy Trump's speech and what struck me is does his speech writers not realize he's the own leading over all the terrible things he mentioned?
Global pandemic, in which the USA is leading in deaths & cases, leading to worldwide lockdowns and economic downturn. Yet the media is just making this up to get him?
Racial protests due to police shooting/killing black people that has spurred worldwide protests. Democratic mayors are at fault?
All the shady dealings and his people getting charged with crimes? Washington establishment's fault.
Nobody I know can look at their life right now and say its better than it was when he took office. He needs another 4 years to redo it?
FFS I have no idea how anybody can vote for this dude. I listened last night trying to see what people get excited to vote for, I just don't get it.
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Good job by this administration for calling out Dem state and local leaders who have failed repeatedly to provide safety and security for the majority of their citizens, their property, their businesses and their neighborhoods. Disgraceful.
Also remember, the very top of Dem leadership and their media mouth pieces told American's to ignore the administration warnings on SARS-Covid-19, and to gather in large groups. NYT's, WashPo etc. etc. had lead headlines that read like this, "You'll have a better chance of getting (insert hit by lightning-car wreck or similar here) then you'll have of getting Covid" . ..
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Dax:
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Let'em burn all in the name of OrangeMan: Bad (Da Big Sociopath)
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Good job by this administration for calling out Dem state and local leaders who have failed repeatedly to provide safety and security for the majority of their citizens, their property, their businesses and their neighborhoods. Disgraceful.
Also remember, the very top of Dem leadership and their media mouth pieces told American's to ignore the administration warnings on SARS-Covid-19, and to gather in large groups. NYT's, WashPo etc. etc. had lead headlines that read like this, "You'll have a better chance of getting (insert hit by lightning-car wreck or similar here) then you'll have of getting Covid" . ..
I meant sane people, I know you give about as much thought to issues as "is there a D behind someone's name, see it's their fault".
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https://twitter.com/nicklutsko/status/1298073847388876802?s=21
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Good job by this administration for calling out Dem state and local leaders who have failed repeatedly to provide safety and security for the majority of their citizens, their property, their businesses and their neighborhoods. Disgraceful.
Also remember, the very top of Dem leadership and their media mouth pieces told American's to ignore the administration warnings on SARS-Covid-19, and to gather in large groups. NYT's, WashPo etc. etc. had lead headlines that read like this, "You'll have a better chance of getting (insert hit by lightning-car wreck or similar here) then you'll have of getting Covid" . ..
I meant sane people, I know you give about as much thought to issues as "is there a D behind someone's name, see it's their fault".
You give it virtually no thought except to merely parrot DNC bullet point memos.
It's even more fascinating as your party now saddles up with the Bill Kristol's of this world. I mean, at one time there were LibBots who would have assassinated that guy for free.
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I watched all of sweaty low energy Trump's speech and what struck me is does his speech writers not realize he's the own leading over all the terrible things he mentioned?
Global pandemic, in which the USA is leading in deaths & cases, leading to worldwide lockdowns and economic downturn. Yet the media is just making this up to get him?
Racial protests due to police shooting/killing black people that has spurred worldwide protests. Democratic mayors are at fault?
All the shady dealings and his people getting charged with crimes? Washington establishment's fault.
Nobody I know can look at their life right now and say its better than it was when he took office. He needs another 4 years to redo it?
FFS I have no idea how anybody can vote for this dude. I listened last night trying to see what people get excited to vote for, I just don't get it.
my life is better, but that's just because a bunch of great crap has happened independent of the president/virus/etc.
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Not ruining my Friday on this drivel. Said my piece. Still in search for a sane person to tell me a good argument for voting for Trump in the face of what 4 years under his leadership looks like and literally everybody's life worse in at least one way. Dem stronghold cities have been that for decades yet only in the past 4 years do we have worldwide protests. One variable changed.
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I watched all of sweaty low energy Trump's speech and what struck me is does his speech writers not realize he's the own leading over all the terrible things he mentioned?
Global pandemic, in which the USA is leading in deaths & cases, leading to worldwide lockdowns and economic downturn. Yet the media is just making this up to get him?
Racial protests due to police shooting/killing black people that has spurred worldwide protests. Democratic mayors are at fault?
All the shady dealings and his people getting charged with crimes? Washington establishment's fault.
Nobody I know can look at their life right now and say its better than it was when he took office. He needs another 4 years to redo it?
FFS I have no idea how anybody can vote for this dude. I listened last night trying to see what people get excited to vote for, I just don't get it.
my life is better, but that's just because a bunch of great crap has happened independent of the president/virus/etc.
I mean I knew this was coming from someone. Yeah if you got married, had a kid, got rid of cancer, etc of course you are going to answer that question "hell yeah my life is better". congrats to those people but the point is still valid.
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Not ruining my Friday on this drivel. Said my piece. Still in search for a sane person to tell me a good argument for voting for Trump in the face of what 4 years under his leadership looks like and literally everybody's life worse in at least one way. Dem stronghold cities have been that for decades yet only in the past 4 years do we have worldwide protests. One variable changed.
:lol: :lol: Oh yeah, Phil. Only in the last 4 years have there ever been protests.
We're at 1,300 plus days of rage all because Hillary Clinton lost an election. Imagine being absolutely enraged for over 3 years because one of the most insane corrupt racists and war mongers in modern American political history, lost an election.
Sad . . . very sad.
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I watched all of sweaty low energy Trump's speech and what struck me is does his speech writers not realize he's the own leading over all the terrible things he mentioned?
Global pandemic, in which the USA is leading in deaths & cases, leading to worldwide lockdowns and economic downturn. Yet the media is just making this up to get him?
Racial protests due to police shooting/killing black people that has spurred worldwide protests. Democratic mayors are at fault?
All the shady dealings and his people getting charged with crimes? Washington establishment's fault.
Nobody I know can look at their life right now and say its better than it was when he took office. He needs another 4 years to redo it?
FFS I have no idea how anybody can vote for this dude. I listened last night trying to see what people get excited to vote for, I just don't get it.
my life is better, but that's just because a bunch of great crap has happened independent of the president/virus/etc.
Yeah same, but I don't honestly think there's a four year period where I've gone backwards.
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#privilege
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It's just fascinating to read a guy who was just bragging about the Red Hot real estate market in his home town and talking about how he's looking at a more deluxe condo talk about how bad things are.
There are now businesses literally running TV ads around here begging for people to apply for their job openings. But they're not going to get the applications because the unemployment benefits are much higher than usual. The entirety of the major corridors at least around here are lined with now hiring signs on street corners and in store windows.
Small business owners are coming out repeatedly talking about how they can't compete with the unemployment benefits being paid out right now, and they can't find people to fill jobs.
If you get LinkedIn job notifications for certain markets, there's hundreds of new job postings, thousands in several markets like ATL every single day.
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
idk. probably some third party dork.
Just vote for trump bro.
What makes you say that?
Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
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We’re more than bordering on authoritarianism. The White House was used as a political prop for the first time in history last night.
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Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
I've found that people inclined to vote for a 3rd party are not swayed by that argument at all.
I think all liberals, which I don't think DQ12 is, should vote Biden if for no other reason than Ruth Bader Ginsburg will likely not make it another 4 years.
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We’re more than bordering on authoritarianism. The White House was used as a political prop for the first time in history last night.
No one cares but a few perpetually enraged LibBots like you.
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We’re more than bordering on authoritarianism. The White House was used as a political prop for the first time in history last night.
No one cares but a few perpetually enraged LibBots like you.
That my tax dollars were used for political purpose? More than a few care dumbass.
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We’re more than bordering on authoritarianism. The White House was used as a political prop for the first time in history last night.
No one cares but a few perpetually enraged LibBots like you.
That my tax dollars were used for political purpose? More than a few care dumbass.
For any incumbent President participating in any political convention, your tax dollars would be used for political purposes, you dumbass. The political parties aren't going to pay for the security details etc. etc.
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We’re more than bordering on authoritarianism. The White House was used as a political prop for the first time in history last night.
No one cares but a few perpetually enraged LibBots like you.
That my tax dollars were used for political purpose? More than a few care dumbass.
For any incumbent President participating in any political convention, your tax dollars would be used for political purposes, you dumbass. The political parties aren't going to pay for the security details etc. etc.
I’m not gonna argue with you about this because it’s like talking to a wall but the White House is the people’s house. It’s never held anything like what happened last night before. So quit acting like this was some normal thing because it’s not. Carry on with the high step salute parade to Trump on everything tho.
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We’re more than bordering on authoritarianism. The White House was used as a political prop for the first time in history last night.
No one cares but a few perpetually enraged LibBots like you.
That my tax dollars were used for political purpose? More than a few care dumbass.
For any incumbent President participating in any political convention, your tax dollars would be used for political purposes, you dumbass. The political parties aren't going to pay for the security details etc. etc.
I’m not gonna argue with you about this because it’s like talking to a wall but the White House is the people’s house. It’s never held anything like what happened last night before. So quit acting like this was some normal thing because it’s not. Carry on with the high step salute parade to Trump on everything tho.
And you know, you, and your perpetually enraged friends (all because Hillary lost) would have had a total melt down if they had done that at an outside venue. Your mad about something all the time.
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Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
the Rock / dicaprio clapping gifs
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And you know, you, and your
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And you know, you, and your
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I'm glad you have a boner, mo.
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Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
the Rock / dicaprio clapping gifs
If you're looking for authoritarianism in this country, then you need to start in a number of Dem controlled gub offices.
If you also need to find anarchy facilitation, you can start looking in multiple Dem controlled gub offices and mayoral offices.
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Will you libderps just admit if they held the trump convention somewhere else that you'd be mad it wasn't at the white house? - actual thought from dax (with improved grammar)
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When you're mad about everything for 3.5 years (because a mega corrupt war mongering racist lost an election) then at some point the broad brush fits the equation.
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
idk. probably some third party dork.
Just vote for trump bro.
What makes you say that?
Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
I disagree with the premise that anything other than a vote for trump constitutes “a vote for trump.” Particularly when trump is trailing by a sizable margin in every poll. Put simply, I think for trump to win, he would need people generally aligning with my beliefs to vote for him. So no, I think by voting for someone else (or not voting), I would not actually or effectively be voting for Trump.
And I can’t in good conscience cast a vote for Biden. I know this isn’t popular and will prompt eye-rolls, but his views on abortion are a nonstarter for me.
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Will you libderps just admit if they held the trump convention somewhere else that you'd be mad it wasn't at the white house? - actual thought from dax (with improved grammar)
yeah that was incred, even for dax
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
idk. probably some third party dork.
Just vote for trump bro.
What makes you say that?
Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
I disagree with the premise that anything other than a vote for trump constitutes “a vote for trump.” Particularly when trump is trailing by a sizable margin in every poll. Put simply, I think for trump to win, he would need people generally aligning with my beliefs to vote for him. So no, I think by voting for someone else (or not voting), I would not actually or effectively be voting for Trump.
And I can’t in good conscience cast a vote for Biden. I know this isn’t popular and will prompt eye-rolls, but his views on abortion are a nonstarter for me.
That's fair. Two questions.
1. Do you not vote for anyone who isn't advocating for overturning Roe v. Wade? I don't think there Biden is campaigning for additional abortion rights, he seems to be very moderate on this issue.
2. Who did you vote for president in '16?
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
idk. probably some third party dork.
Just vote for trump bro.
What makes you say that?
Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
I disagree with the premise that anything other than a vote for trump constitutes “a vote for trump.” Particularly when trump is trailing by a sizable margin in every poll. Put simply, I think for trump to win, he would need people generally aligning with my beliefs to vote for him. So no, I think by voting for someone else (or not voting), I would not actually or effectively be voting for Trump.
And I can’t in good conscience cast a vote for Biden. I know this isn’t popular and will prompt eye-rolls, but his views on abortion are a nonstarter for me.
If that is the case, I don't believe you will find a candidate for president who will push to outlaw and limit abortion more than Trump. So a vote for someone other than Trump doesn't make sense to me at all.
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Roe v Wade was 47 years ago. Have we not had a Republican President and Republican control of Congress at any point during that time? Weird if true.
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Roe v Wade was 47 years ago. Have we not had a Republican President and Republican control of Congress at any point during that time? Weird if true.
Overturning of Roe v. Wade literally will never happen. A president not congress can touch it, the Supreme Court has spoken. What can happen is that a highly partisan highly conservative court, willing to ignore precedence, can punch holes in abortion rights, but the outlawing of abortion will literally never happen. Politicians that say that it is are pandering to the lowest information voters o.a.t. and are taking advantage of religious fanatics.
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https://twitter.com/DGComedy/status/1299171443905761280
She's my favorite Trump.
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God forbid something happen to Melania because of it does then don jr and ivanka will tie up baron and throw him in a river
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
idk. probably some third party dork.
Just vote for trump bro.
What makes you say that?
Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
I disagree with the premise that anything other than a vote for trump constitutes “a vote for trump.” Particularly when trump is trailing by a sizable margin in every poll. Put simply, I think for trump to win, he would need people generally aligning with my beliefs to vote for him. So no, I think by voting for someone else (or not voting), I would not actually or effectively be voting for Trump.
And I can’t in good conscience cast a vote for Biden. I know this isn’t popular and will prompt eye-rolls, but his views on abortion are a nonstarter for me.
I think there is a distinction between voting for the candidate you most support and voting against a candidate you most despise. In 2016 I voted for Gary Johnson because I thought he was the best option available and wasn’t even sure whether Trump or Hillary would be worse for the country.
This year I am positive that 4 more years of Trump would be a disaster. Not that my vote would have made a difference in 2016 but I do feel a little guilty that Trump winning allowed him to totally botch our coronavirus response and separate immigrant children from their parents as a deterrent to seeking asylum.
I would love if Trump’s opponent checked more boxes for me, but in my mind there is only one way to vote my conscience in this election. Biden is an underwhelming candidate, but the fact Democrats agreed to put forward their most moderate option for this election says a lot.
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
idk. probably some third party dork.
Just vote for trump bro.
What makes you say that?
Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
I disagree with the premise that anything other than a vote for trump constitutes “a vote for trump.” Particularly when trump is trailing by a sizable margin in every poll. Put simply, I think for trump to win, he would need people generally aligning with my beliefs to vote for him. So no, I think by voting for someone else (or not voting), I would not actually or effectively be voting for Trump.
And I can’t in good conscience cast a vote for Biden. I know this isn’t popular and will prompt eye-rolls, but his views on abortion are a nonstarter for me.
That's fair. Two questions.
1. Do you not vote for anyone who isn't advocating for overturning Roe v. Wade? I don't think there Biden is campaigning for additional abortion rights, he seems to be very moderate on this issue.
2. Who did you vote for president in '16?
I vote for someone who generally shares (or close to “shares”) my view on abortion. That’s generally a prerequisite. I get what you’re suggesting about Roe being decided and the impracticality of my stance, and I don’t really have a good answer. I suppose it’s similar to people advocating against certain gun rights, despite the Supreme Court precedent. Just a sticking point for me, and I get that people think it’s nuts.
I think I wrote in Kasich or something stupid. I’ve never voted for Trump, notwithstanding his very strong pro-life position. If any of this sounds hypocritical or contradictory then join the club.
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Will you libderps just admit if they held the trump convention somewhere else that you'd be mad it wasn't at the white house? - actual thought from dax (with improved grammar)
yeah that was incred, even for dax
I'm sure dax would have had the identical reaction if Obama did this back in 2012. Hey nbd, nobody cares except for a few perpetually enraged PubTards.
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https://twitter.com/DGComedy/status/1299171443905761280
She's my favorite Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/27/politics/melania-trump-ivanka-trump-wolkoff-book/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/27/politics/melania-trump-ivanka-trump-wolkoff-book/index.html)
Sounds like they have always hated each other. Ivanka wants the spotlight next to her dad. I did not know that reaction above happened, but when I was watching clips and I saw Ivanka walk up on stage when they arrived I immediately thought about the above article I just linked. The reaction from Melania confirms that. I think Melania wants out of everything (her relationship with DJamer-Trump, White House, etc.) but is too scared to be upfront about it.
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Also DJT is only anti-abortion because he knows it is a passionate topic for his voters. Anyone with half a brain knows he has paid for a few baby scrapings in his life. Homeboy is all about that pro-choice behind the scenes.
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That doesn't really matter though. He's absolutely the most vocal anti-abortion president in my life, even if disingenuous.
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
idk. probably some third party dork.
Just vote for trump bro.
What makes you say that?
Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
I disagree with the premise that anything other than a vote for trump constitutes “a vote for trump.” Particularly when trump is trailing by a sizable margin in every poll. Put simply, I think for trump to win, he would need people generally aligning with my beliefs to vote for him. So no, I think by voting for someone else (or not voting), I would not actually or effectively be voting for Trump.
And I can’t in good conscience cast a vote for Biden. I know this isn’t popular and will prompt eye-rolls, but his views on abortion are a nonstarter for me.
trump was pro-choice for vast majority of his life and only changed to pander to the evangelical base because the vast majority of his life would be exactly the opposite of their beliefs. His flip made those parts easier to swallow but make no bones, it was entirely to win
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https://twitter.com/DGComedy/status/1299171443905761280
She's my favorite Trump.
Agreed.
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Also DJT is only anti-abortion because he knows it is a passionate topic for his voters. Anyone with half a brain knows he has paid for a few baby scrapings in his life. Homeboy is all about that pro-choice behind the scenes.
dang it
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Those fireworks kicked the crap out of the display I watched at the ozarks this year.
who you voting for DQ? I'm a Biden pub FWIW.
idk. probably some third party dork.
Just vote for trump bro.
What makes you say that?
Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
I disagree with the premise that anything other than a vote for trump constitutes “a vote for trump.” Particularly when trump is trailing by a sizable margin in every poll. Put simply, I think for trump to win, he would need people generally aligning with my beliefs to vote for him. So no, I think by voting for someone else (or not voting), I would not actually or effectively be voting for Trump.
And I can’t in good conscience cast a vote for Biden. I know this isn’t popular and will prompt eye-rolls, but his views on abortion are a nonstarter for me.
trump was pro-choice for vast majority of his life and only changed to pander to the evangelical base because the vast majority of his life would be exactly the opposite of their beliefs. His flip made those parts easier to swallow but make no bones, it was entirely to win
Even if the position he has taken is just pandering, from a practical standpoint it seems like he has helped the pro-life / anti-abortion cause to some extent - the two Supreme Court appointees would be exhibit A.
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DJT coming across anything other than anti-abortion would have lost him 2016. He is smart enough to know what to say to his heavy followers.
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And you know, you, and your
:lol:
I'm glad you have a boner, mo.
mocat, dax wants to talk about your dong ITT
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Also DJT is only anti-abortion because he knows it is a passionate topic for his voters. Anyone with half a brain knows he has paid for a few baby scrapings in his life. Homeboy is all about that pro-choice behind the scenes.
For sure. He DGAF about the right to life.
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That doesn't really matter though. He's absolutely the most vocal anti-abortion president in my life, even if disingenuous.
Why would that not matter?
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Why does it matter? He doesn't actually care about immigration either, but he's the easily the most vocal anti-immigrant president in my lifetime. He loves wedges and those are two deep wedge issues that he'll fight for his base on. He's a mercenary. His more observant supporters know this, most just want the fight.
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The abortion rate is plummeting. Abortions dropped by about 20% just from 2011 to 2017. They have declined at about the same rate in red states as blue states, regardless of which party has the presidency. States with laws to make abortions more difficult to obtain don't have lower rates of abortion than states without them. This appears to be driven by easier access to birth control, quality sex ed, and fewer kids having sex. If abortion is a problem, then the problem appears to be taking care of itself.
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And fwiw, there are a lot of politicians, particularly moderate ones, who go with the party ideology over personal ideology on abortion. It's just part of getting elected.
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LibDerp Leadership has done a complete 180 on immigration all in the name of OrangeMan: Bad
Almost to a person, LibDerp Leadership was part of the "you can't just jump across a river" crowd prior to Trump's election. It's documented, it's on film.
Now they have nothing to offer but the far most leftist extreme ideals relative to immigration. That's why it looks like a wedge.
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Because in this particular election a throw away third party vote is a vote for trump, and you know that, it's exactly why so many Republicans are going public with their support for Biden. If you're a moderate Republican you are much closer to Biden's platform than I am, as dax has clinically pointed out over and over again. I am actually registered to a third party that stands to benefit from getting my vote that isn't coming this year.
I don't want to vote for Biden, but I've been given no choice. We are in an unprecedented time in America. We're bordering on authoritarianism. We had a president threatening to send armed police officers to patrol polling places. We have a department of education attempting to divert public tax dollars that should be used for pandemic relief, to private schools. We have federal law enforcement circumventing local authorities in providing law enforcement in local jurisdictions. On and on and on.
If your aren't voting affirmatively to end this, you're voting for it to continue, trump even said so himself earlier this week. "Never in American history has the choice been so clear."
well said.
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LibDerp Leadership has done a complete 180 on immigration all in the name of OrangeMan: Bad
Almost to a person, LibDerp Leadership was part of the "you can't just jump across a river" crowd prior to Trump's election. It's documented, it's on film.
Now they have nothing to offer but the far most leftist extreme ideals relative to immigration. That's why it looks like a wedge.
It's great to finally have a party that you can vote for on this issue.
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It's just fascinating to read a guy who was just bragging about the Red Hot real estate market in his home town and talking about how he's looking at a more deluxe condo talk about how bad things are.
There are now businesses literally running TV ads around here begging for people to apply for their job openings. But they're not going to get the applications because the unemployment benefits are much higher than usual. The entirety of the major corridors at least around here are lined with now hiring signs on street corners and in store windows.
Small business owners are coming out repeatedly talking about how they can't compete with the unemployment benefits being paid out right now, and they can't find people to fill jobs.
If you get LinkedIn job notifications for certain markets, there's hundreds of new job postings, thousands in several markets like ATL every single day.
you keep saying that but none of the actual data backs up that there are a bunch of unfilled job listings or that people are not going back to work because of enhanced unemployment benefits (which already got cut off a month ago).
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It's great to finally have a party that you can vote for on this issue.
it even looks semi-likely that immigration reform will be a priority issue under biden. it's an exciting time.
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Joe Biden isn’t a moderate
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Why does it matter? He doesn't actually care about immigration either, but he's the easily the most vocal anti-immigrant president in my lifetime. He loves wedges and those are two deep wedge issues that he'll fight for his base on. He's a mercenary. His more observant supporters know this, most just want the fight.
A very substantial difference in these two things are he hasn't done anything to change abortion policy but he certainly has with immigration, he's completely destroyed what was left of the system.
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Why does it matter? He doesn't actually care about immigration either, but he's the easily the most vocal anti-immigrant president in my lifetime. He loves wedges and those are two deep wedge issues that he'll fight for his base on. He's a mercenary. His more observant supporters know this, most just want the fight.
A very substantial difference in these two things are he hasn't done anything to change abortion policy but he certainly has with immigration, he's completely destroyed what was left of the system.
I would take issue with this statement because Trump did appoint two SCOTUS judges who very well could be willing to overturn Roe v. Wade if the votes were there. He’s probably done more to change abortion policy than any other president in modern history. It might be the only way he’s behaved as a traditional Republican president. And apparently enough to even get educated folks in his camp (despite the whole kids in cages thing).
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He’s having a massive meltdown because the trumpvention viewer numbers were worse than the dnc.
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Why does it matter? He doesn't actually care about immigration either, but he's the easily the most vocal anti-immigrant president in my lifetime. He loves wedges and those are two deep wedge issues that he'll fight for his base on. He's a mercenary. His more observant supporters know this, most just want the fight.
A very substantial difference in these two things are he hasn't done anything to change abortion policy but he certainly has with immigration, he's completely destroyed what was left of the system.
I would take issue with this statement because Trump did appoint two SCOTUS judges who very well could be willing to overturn Roe v. Wade if the votes were there. He’s probably done more to change abortion policy than any other president in modern history. It might be the only way he’s behaved as a traditional Republican president. And apparently enough to even get educated folks in his camp (despite the whole kids in cages thing).
the reason never-trumpers failed to gain any traction is because most republicans agree with everything he does policy-wise. (the lone exception might be he's less willing to start wars)
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Why does it matter? He doesn't actually care about immigration either, but he's the easily the most vocal anti-immigrant president in my lifetime. He loves wedges and those are two deep wedge issues that he'll fight for his base on. He's a mercenary. His more observant supporters know this, most just want the fight.
A very substantial difference in these two things are he hasn't done anything to change abortion policy but he certainly has with immigration, he's completely destroyed what was left of the system.
I would take issue with this statement because Trump did appoint two SCOTUS judges who very well could be willing to overturn Roe v. Wade if the votes were there. He’s probably done more to change abortion policy than any other president in modern history. It might be the only way he’s behaved as a traditional Republican president. And apparently enough to even get educated folks in his camp (despite the whole kids in cages thing).
the reason never-trumpers failed to gain any traction is because most republicans agree with everything he does policy-wise. (the lone exception might be he's less willing to start wars)
And spending.
But mostly yes. That is why lots wish he'd stop being such a grifting Q moron who tweets all the time. and go on a diet
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Why does it matter? He doesn't actually care about immigration either, but he's the easily the most vocal anti-immigrant president in my lifetime. He loves wedges and those are two deep wedge issues that he'll fight for his base on. He's a mercenary. His more observant supporters know this, most just want the fight.
A very substantial difference in these two things are he hasn't done anything to change abortion policy but he certainly has with immigration, he's completely destroyed what was left of the system.
I would take issue with this statement because Trump did appoint two SCOTUS judges who very well could be willing to overturn Roe v. Wade if the votes were there. He’s probably done more to change abortion policy than any other president in modern history. It might be the only way he’s behaved as a traditional Republican president. And apparently enough to even get educated folks in his camp (despite the whole kids in cages thing).
the reason never-trumpers failed to gain any traction is because most republicans agree with everything he does policy-wise. (the lone exception might be he's less willing to start wars)
And spending.
lol Republicans never care about spending except when it's spending that might help poor minorities (and he is very much in step with that)
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Why does it matter? He doesn't actually care about immigration either, but he's the easily the most vocal anti-immigrant president in my lifetime. He loves wedges and those are two deep wedge issues that he'll fight for his base on. He's a mercenary. His more observant supporters know this, most just want the fight.
A very substantial difference in these two things are he hasn't done anything to change abortion policy but he certainly has with immigration, he's completely destroyed what was left of the system.
I would take issue with this statement because Trump did appoint two SCOTUS judges who very well could be willing to overturn Roe v. Wade if the votes were there. He’s probably done more to change abortion policy than any other president in modern history. It might be the only way he’s behaved as a traditional Republican president. And apparently enough to even get educated folks in his camp (despite the whole kids in cages thing).
the reason never-trumpers failed to gain any traction is because most republicans agree with everything he does policy-wise. (the lone exception might be he's less willing to start wars)
And spending.
lol Republicans never care about spending except when it's spending that might help poor minorities (and he is very much in step with that)
Well I am a republican and I care about spending. But you are right, no president has ever spent like trump.
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The best way to lose wait is eat more and exercise less.
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Why does it matter? He doesn't actually care about immigration either, but he's the easily the most vocal anti-immigrant president in my lifetime. He loves wedges and those are two deep wedge issues that he'll fight for his base on. He's a mercenary. His more observant supporters know this, most just want the fight.
A very substantial difference in these two things are he hasn't done anything to change abortion policy but he certainly has with immigration, he's completely destroyed what was left of the system.
I would take issue with this statement because Trump did appoint two SCOTUS judges who very well could be willing to overturn Roe v. Wade if the votes were there. He’s probably done more to change abortion policy than any other president in modern history. It might be the only way he’s behaved as a traditional Republican president. And apparently enough to even get educated folks in his camp (despite the whole kids in cages thing).
the reason never-trumpers failed to gain any traction is because most republicans agree with everything he does policy-wise. (the lone exception might be he's less willing to start wars)
And spending.
But mostly yes. That is why lots wish he'd stop being such a grifting Q moron who tweets all the time. and go on a diet
Is he going to still care about those issues after he doesn't need them (their votes) anymore, after reelection?
×××the plan keeps coming up again×××
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I vote for someone who generally shares (or close to “shares”) my view on abortion. That’s generally a prerequisite. I get what you’re suggesting about Roe being decided and the impracticality of my stance, and I don’t really have a good answer. I suppose it’s similar to people advocating against certain gun rights, despite the Supreme Court precedent. Just a sticking point for me, and I get that people think it’s nuts.
My mom is a single issue abortion voter as well. And I think I've mentioned this before on here but I'd wager a greater per capita number of Kansans are single issue abortion voter's than anywhere in the US. I can respect you (and my mom, and others I know) taking that stance based on that issue whether I agree with it or not because at least you can back up why you are voting that way.
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Guys, I know I mentioned this before but if Facebook is any kind of indicator of Trump support it is overwhelming. I have yet to see any support for Biden or any democrats'.
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Why does it matter? He doesn't actually care about immigration either, but he's the easily the most vocal anti-immigrant president in my lifetime. He loves wedges and those are two deep wedge issues that he'll fight for his base on. He's a mercenary. His more observant supporters know this, most just want the fight.
A very substantial difference in these two things are he hasn't done anything to change abortion policy but he certainly has with immigration, he's completely destroyed what was left of the system.
I would take issue with this statement because Trump did appoint two SCOTUS judges who very well could be willing to overturn Roe v. Wade if the votes were there. He’s probably done more to change abortion policy than any other president in modern history. It might be the only way he’s behaved as a traditional Republican president. And apparently enough to even get educated folks in his camp (despite the whole kids in cages thing).
the reason never-trumpers failed to gain any traction is because most republicans agree with everything he does policy-wise. (the lone exception might be he's less willing to start wars)
And spending.
lol Republicans never care about spending except when it's spending that might help poor minorities (and he is very much in step with that)
Well I am a republican and I care about spending. But you are right, no president has ever spent like trump.
He cares about immigration. See the race discrimination associated with his properties and the Central Park Five. It's not tactical at all.
He favors policy. He's been calling into Fox for 12 years.
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Guys, I know I mentioned this before but if Facebook is any kind of indicator of Trump support it is overwhelming. I have yet to see any support for Biden or any democrats'.
same katdaddy
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He cares about immigration. See the race discrimination associated with his properties and the Central Park Five. It's not tactical at all.
definitely.
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Single issue abortion voters made a lot more sense until they started voting for people in favor of separating children from their parents in cages.
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Single issue abortion voters made a lot more sense until they started voting for people in favor of separating children from their parents in cages.
I agree with this but I’d wager dlew is on your side here.
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Like, what if you can't even be a single issue abortion voter any longer because you failed to vote against autocracy when you had the chance? Maybe rolling the dice that your future dictators will ban abortion is just a chance you're willing to take.
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Or if nobody is even left alive to have abortions
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Single issue abortion voters made a lot more sense until they started voting for people in favor of separating children from their parents in cages.
https://twitter.com/RVAT2020/status/1300146271571894272
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Why does it matter? He doesn't actually care about immigration either, but he's the easily the most vocal anti-immigrant president in my lifetime. He loves wedges and those are two deep wedge issues that he'll fight for his base on. He's a mercenary. His more observant supporters know this, most just want the fight.
A very substantial difference in these two things are he hasn't done anything to change abortion policy but he certainly has with immigration, he's completely destroyed what was left of the system.
I would take issue with this statement because Trump did appoint two SCOTUS judges who very well could be willing to overturn Roe v. Wade if the votes were there. He’s probably done more to change abortion policy than any other president in modern history.
No they won't, they aren't going to overturn a supreme court ruling, because it literally can't be done. Like I said he can appoint judges who can blow holes in Roe v. Wade but it can't be overturned. Also worth noting that Gorsuch has already ruled against Trump. I'm also interested in what you have that justifies the bolded sentence, it sounds like something I'd hear at one of his rallies. Other than diverting some federal funds, I don't think he's done crap but flap his dentured gums, following the usual pattern for him.
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I don't get being a single issue voter when the issue isn't something that's ever going to change.
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I don't get being a single issue voter when the issue isn't something that's ever going to change.
They've been convinced that it can and will, there are moderates and libs who think the same thing. Pubs raise money off of hope of it and dems raise money off of fear of it. Similar to the gun nuts think that Obama took guns away. The most sweeping gun reform law o.a.t. was from a Republican president that got shot.
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No they won't, they aren't going to overturn a supreme court ruling, because it literally can't be done. Like I said he can appoint judges who can blow holes in Roe v. Wade but it can't be overturned.
What's your basis for this?
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No they won't, they aren't going to overturn a supreme court ruling, because it literally can't be done. Like I said he can appoint judges who can blow holes in Roe v. Wade but it can't be overturned.
What's your basis for this?
While I said "literally can't be done" they use the language "virtually final." 100% vs. 95%. Potato potahtoe'y
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/constitutional.aspx#:~:text=When%20the%20Supreme%20Court%20rules,legislative%20action%20can%20be%20taken.
When the Supreme Court rules on a constitutional issue, that judgment is virtually final; its decisions can be altered only by the rarely used procedure of constitutional amendment or by a new ruling of the Court. However, when the Court interprets a statute, new legislative action can be taken.
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I think it's remarkably similar to the 2A discourse. While these big iconic decisions have come down from the Supreme Court articulating the rights and certain bounds to the rights, there are still gaps with respect to particular interpretations of the rights. Overruling Roe or Heller would obviously be seismic shifts, but there are plenty of battles (that are fought pretty often) short of actually overruling the seminal cases.
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No they won't, they aren't going to overturn a supreme court ruling, because it literally can't be done. Like I said he can appoint judges who can blow holes in Roe v. Wade but it can't be overturned.
What's your basis for this?
While I said "literally can't be done" they use the language "virtually final." 100% vs. 95%. Potato potahtoe'y
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/constitutional.aspx#:~:text=When%20the%20Supreme%20Court%20rules,legislative%20action%20can%20be%20taken.
When the Supreme Court rules on a constitutional issue, that judgment is virtually final; its decisions can be altered only by the rarely used procedure of constitutional amendment or by a new ruling of the Court. However, when the Court interprets a statute, new legislative action can be taken.
That line you excerpted means that for a Supreme Court ruling on a constitutional issue to be "un-final'd," there'd have to be a constitutional amendment (rare), or a new ruling of the Court(not as uncommon as you'd think).
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/politics/supreme-court-cases-overturned-history-constitution-trnd/index.html
The latter is the problem at hand, where should trump get to make more appointments, those new probably weird judges could cause for a different result should a case present itself that could/would overrule Roe v Wade. And we should be especially used to uncommon things these days.
I think I've said before how I absolutely loathed con law. My takeaway was that those judges do whatever they want and supply a basis for it. If there are enough anti-abortion'rs on the Supreme Court and a fitting case comes their way, they absolutely could and would overturn Roe v Wade.
But yes, even short of that, there are other ways to neuter existing Roe v Wade.
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No they won't, they aren't going to overturn a supreme court ruling, because it literally can't be done. Like I said he can appoint judges who can blow holes in Roe v. Wade but it can't be overturned.
What's your basis for this?
While I said "literally can't be done" they use the language "virtually final." 100% vs. 95%. Potato potahtoe'y
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/constitutional.aspx#:~:text=When%20the%20Supreme%20Court%20rules,legislative%20action%20can%20be%20taken.
When the Supreme Court rules on a constitutional issue, that judgment is virtually final; its decisions can be altered only by the rarely used procedure of constitutional amendment or by a new ruling of the Court. However, when the Court interprets a statute, new legislative action can be taken.
That line you excerpted means that for a Supreme Court ruling on a constitutional issue to be "un-final'd," there'd have to be a constitutional amendment (rare), or a new ruling of the Court(not as uncommon as you'd think).
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/politics/supreme-court-cases-overturned-history-constitution-trnd/index.html
The latter is the problem at hand, where should trump get to make more appointments, those new probably weird judges could cause for a different result should a case present itself that could/would overrule Roe v Wade. And we should be especially used to uncommon things these days.
I think I've said before how I absolutely loathed con law. My takeaway was that those judges do whatever they want and supply a basis for it. If there are enough anti-abortion'rs on the Supreme Court and a fitting case comes their way, they absolutely could and would overturn Roe v Wade.
But yes, even short of that, there are other ways to neuter existing Roe v Wade.
Isn't the absolute biggest issue with "neutering" Roe v. Wage is that abortion rights are largely a states issue? SC abortion rulings aren't mandates but just laying out what limits states are allowed to restrict.
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Isn't the absolute biggest issue with "neutering" Roe v. Wage is that abortion rights are largely a states issue? SC abortion rulings aren't mandates but just laying out what limits states are allowed to restrict.
When it comes to the future of Roe v. Wade, states rights and the power of the state to interpret federal law are key considerations. There has already been a precedent, decided in 1992, that grants states power over abortion decisions that were not originally in the 1972 Roe v. Wade ruling.
The Casey decision overturned two previous rulings that upheld Roe's original conclusion that states could not regulate abortions within the first trimester. Instead, the new decision defined a period of "fetal viability" in which states could regulate abortions and said states could regulate abortions earlier as long as the rules did not impose an "undue burden" on the woman.
Recent laws that could be seen as a challenge to Roe v. Wade, including Georgia's heartbeat bill, could use this vague language to escape any claims that they go against current precedents provided by the Supreme Court.
"Most likely, a state law would come about that imposes some significant restrictions on the right to an abortion, and it gets challenged," Owens says. "The challenge would be that the state violates Roe, and if the court were to rule in favor of the state, they would essentially be saying Roe was wrongly decided."
This is why, Owens says, interpretation and implementation are so important when considering Supreme Court precedents. Rarely do Supreme Court decisions legalize or criminalize something outright; they present constitutional and statutory regulations in which states have to operate.
In the case of Roe v. Wade, overturning the decision wouldn't criminalize abortion -- but it would allow states to.
"It would return to the states and the state legislatures," Owens says. "A lot of people think the Supreme Court decides something and that settles the issue. But while the Court has the first word, it may not have the last."
Right, we know it’s more common for states to work around Roe v Wade, but when they fly too close to the sun, that’s when there’ll be a case in which the SC at that time could overturn itself. And on this issue, that would mean states can do whatever they want.
My point is that if an existing SC wants to do something different than an old SC did, it can.
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Single issue abortion voters made a lot more sense until they started voting for people in favor of separating children from their parents in cages.
That, and my also giant issue I have with them is a two folded argument of 1) They (generalizing of course) tend to not only be anti abortion, but anti contraceptive and sex education (ie anything that can be construed as promoting promiscuity) . Those two things are literally the two biggest tools in the kit to stop abortion (or at least significantly reduce it, and btw have. Look at abortion rates of South America vs Europe, it's night and day, and Europe is apparently full of godless heathens). The fact they can't ever get over that hump tells me they will never get what they want because you simply can't be that draconian and puritanical about it.
Secondly, many of them also literally also don't care about education, social services, health care, etc , plenty of things that would be "pro life" for those who are already alive. They are pro life but only if it fits what they think God wants. Not what is either a) practical to society or b) logically follow what their rhetoric means.