For the record, people make left turns like this piss me off when I make a legal left turn and then try to get into the right lane.
I was making a right turn last week and almost got hit by some guy trying to take a left turn all the way over into my lane. :shakesfist:
rick when did chief give you a harley?? :love:
I was making a right turn last week and almost got hit by some guy trying to take a left turn all the way over into my lane. :shakesfist:
NO CONSEQUENCES!except a ticket
Gonna win 'em all!
I was doing 110 mph, but there was literally ( :lol: ) nobody around except the cop who gave me a ticket. There was no safety concern for anyone.
Gonna win 'em all!
I was doing 110 mph, but there was literally ( :lol: ) nobody around except the cop who gave me a ticket. There was no safety concern for anyone.
Gonna win 'em all!
Well going 110 mph is obviously not safe.
I was making a right turn last week and almost got hit by some guy trying to take a left turn all the way over into my lane. :shakesfist:
Look I get what you're saying. However this intersection is controlled by lights, so there were no vehicles moving from the left or right and there was no vehicle across from me waiting to make a right turn on red and there was no car following behind me also making this turn. I was literally the only vehicle able to proceed through this intersection during this cycle of lights.
There was absolutely no safety issue or chance of impeding the flow of traffic involved. This was nothing more than a legal cash grab.
NO CONSEQUENCES!
Gonna win 'em all!
#se2
I was making a right turn last week and almost got hit by some guy trying to take a left turn all the way over into my lane. :shakesfist:
I was making a right turn last week and almost got hit by some guy trying to take a left turn all the way over into my lane. :shakesfist:
And that's a situation where the law makes sense. The law doesn't make sense where you're not at a 4-way stop, like exiting off the interstate in the OP's situation. In that instance, it doesn't matter which lane you turn into because there's no oncoming traffic.
I received a nearly identical bullshit ticket just a few months ago when turning right at a highway exit. I turned into the inner lane because my very next turn (less than half a block) was to turn left from the inner lane into a neighborhood. I tried to explain this to the cop - he wrote me the ticket anyway. This is why I strongly dislike cops. It's all well and good when they're actually "serving and protecting," but they too often engage in nothing more than writing up bullshit tickets to raise revenue for their new SWAT gear.
But in answer to the OP, pay the fine. You'll actually end up paying more money in adminsitrative fees (yes, you have to actually pay more money to get your "trial") than if you just pay the ticket, and you're going to lose except in the rare instance where the ticket is dismissed because the cop doesn't show up.
Besides, if you believe in karma, there's a good liklihood that cop will develop ass cancer in the near future for the screwjob he gave you. So take solace in that.
I was making a right turn last week and almost got hit by some guy trying to take a left turn all the way over into my lane. :shakesfist:
And that's a situation where the law makes sense. The law doesn't make sense where you're not at a 4-way stop, like exiting off the interstate in the OP's situation. In that instance, it doesn't matter which lane you turn into because there's no oncoming traffic.
I received a nearly identical bullshit ticket just a few months ago when turning right at a highway exit. I turned into the inner lane because my very next turn (less than half a block) was to turn left from the inner lane into a neighborhood. I tried to explain this to the cop - he wrote me the ticket anyway. This is why I strongly dislike cops. It's all well and good when they're actually "serving and protecting," but they too often engage in nothing more than writing up bullshit tickets to raise revenue for their new SWAT gear.
But in answer to the OP, pay the fine. You'll actually end up paying more money in adminsitrative fees (yes, you have to actually pay more money to get your "trial") than if you just pay the ticket, and you're going to lose except in the rare instance where the ticket is dismissed because the cop doesn't show up.
Besides, if you believe in karma, there's a good liklihood that cop will develop ass cancer in the near future for the screwjob he gave you. So take solace in that.
in Shawnee county/Topeka you pay court costs either way. I mean, he is guilty, so pay the fine, but if he chose to he could show up and either hope the cop doesn't, or try to plea it down to a non-moving violation with the prosecutor.
just show up at the court date at your assigned time and plead not guilty. the fuzz will either show or not show and you will either be asked to pay or you won't be.
just show up at the court date at your assigned time and plead not guilty. the fuzz will either show or not show and you will either be asked to pay or you won't be.
to the original poster, irregardless of whether his turn was ethical or not - this is the correct advice. if you have the time, you have nothing to lose by contesting. half the time the cops don't show up and you get off. cops are really lazy and stupid.
just show up at the court date at your assigned time and plead not guilty. the fuzz will either show or not show and you will either be asked to pay or you won't be.
to the original poster, irregardless of whether his turn was ethical or not - this is the correct advice. if you have the time, you have nothing to lose by contesting. half the time the cops don't show up and you get off. cops are really lazy and stupid.
Yeah, the ticket is $142. $70 for the turn violation and $72 for court costs. I'm on the hook for $72 no matter what I do but who knows, maybe I'll show up, get lucky and hopefully get the $70 knocked off. The ticket has the date and time of the court appearance printed on it so I'm going to call and ask if it will really happen reasonably close to that time or if I can expect to wait around for a few hours.
And KSUW, good lord I'm not thrilled about this either but I'm certainly not wishing ass cancer on the guy.
just show up at the court date at your assigned time and plead not guilty. the fuzz will either show or not show and you will either be asked to pay or you won't be.
to the original poster, irregardless of whether his turn was ethical or not - this is the correct advice. if you have the time, you have nothing to lose by contesting. half the time the cops don't show up and you get off. cops are really lazy and stupid.
Yeah, the ticket is $142. $70 for the turn violation and $72 for court costs. I'm on the hook for $72 no matter what I do but who knows, maybe I'll show up, get lucky and hopefully get the $70 knocked off. The ticket has the date and time of the court appearance printed on it so I'm going to call and ask if it will really happen reasonably close to that time or if I can expect to wait around for a few hours.
And KSUW, good lord I'm not thrilled about this either but I'm certainly not wishing ass cancer on the guy.
If there is no one around, why is it a big deal to turn into the proper lane, and then turn into the lane you need? This maneuver is easily pulled off under half a block in ksuw example and certainly can be done in the 2 block distance of the huntoon exit to Wanamaker.
However I do break this law more than i should, but it's only when I'm pulling a trailer and cops seem to be more lenient for that
I got one of those tickets out in Garden City.
If there is no one around, why is it a big deal to turn into the proper lane, and then turn into the lane you need? This maneuver is easily pulled off under half a block in ksuw example and certainly can be done in the 2 block distance of the huntoon exit to Wanamaker.
However I do break this law more than i should, but it's only when I'm pulling a trailer and cops seem to be more lenient for that
It was half a "short" block, not a "long" one - and it would have required much more erratic maneuvering to turn into the right before immediately swinging left than to just make a nice smooth swing directly into the left. It was petty bullshit.
There's like two stop lights in town. I turned left and went into the wide lane going to work and then BOOM! Ticketed! I didn't even know it was a thing at the time. Nobody was to my right.I got one of those tickets out in Garden City.
I've never been to garden city, but I highly doubt there are any 4 lane roads there #debunked
If there is no one around, why is it a big deal to turn into the proper lane, and then turn into the lane you need? This maneuver is easily pulled off under half a block in ksuw example and certainly can be done in the 2 block distance of the huntoon exit to Wanamaker.
However I do break this law more than i should, but it's only when I'm pulling a trailer and cops seem to be more lenient for that
My dad was driving one time back in the 70's and this motorcycle gane drove up next to him trying to play games and rough ridin' with him. I guess he opened his door and knocked one of the bikers off into the other. He didn't know until a couple years after that he could have got in trouble for that. He thinks he killed a guy. Who knew?! :dunno:
You calling Papa Fanning a liar?! :curse:My dad was driving one time back in the 70's and this motorcycle gane drove up next to him trying to play games and rough ridin' with him. I guess he opened his door and knocked one of the bikers off into the other. He didn't know until a couple years after that he could have got in trouble for that. He thinks he killed a guy. Who knew?! :dunno:
That didn't happen.
You calling Papa Fanning a liar?! :curse:My dad was driving one time back in the 70's and this motorcycle gane drove up next to him trying to play games and rough ridin' with him. I guess he opened his door and knocked one of the bikers off into the other. He didn't know until a couple years after that he could have got in trouble for that. He thinks he killed a guy. Who knew?! :dunno:
That didn't happen.
I got out of a similar ticket in Manhattan. I went and talked to the prosecuter, told him some fabricated, detailed story about how the street signs are confusing, and he threw the case out.confusing signs = cannot break law. got it, lawdog1
All of those reasons you gave for the ticket being bullshit won't get you off. You have to make a case that you were somehow acting lawfully.
Has anyone ever attempted this or more importantly been successful at it? I was stopped last week a couple of blocks from work for an "improper left turn", or in other words not turning into the lane closest to the center of the street. This was in Topeka going from the I470 off ramp East onto Huntoon. The cop asked if there was a reason why I had "swung out so wide" to make the turn and I was like Umm, what? Where? So I explained to him I got in the right lane because that's the lane I needed to be in order to get to my office. This is an absolutely pud and meaningless thing to be given a ticket for. Maybe he was mad at the world for having to ride a motorcycle on a freezing cold morning or something.
Furthermore this is simply a cash grab. The very next day I was sitting at the same light and I looked over and saw the same motorcycle cop had pulled a car over in the same spot, presumably for the same reason. Also during the course of my recent bitching about this a coworker said his neighbor got a ticket for the same thing. Hey motorcycle cop guy instead of generating revenue how about if you try and be on the lookout for some actual crime, or better yet try and get some leads on that quadruple murder from last year.
Has anyone ever attempted this or more importantly been successful at it? I was stopped last week a couple of blocks from work for an "improper left turn", or in other words not turning into the lane closest to the center of the street. This was in Topeka going from the I470 off ramp East onto Huntoon. The cop asked if there was a reason why I had "swung out so wide" to make the turn and I was like Umm, what? Where? So I explained to him I got in the right lane because that's the lane I needed to be in order to get to my office. This is an absolutely pud and meaningless thing to be given a ticket for. Maybe he was mad at the world for having to ride a motorcycle on a freezing cold morning or something.
Furthermore this is simply a cash grab. The very next day I was sitting at the same light and I looked over and saw the same motorcycle cop had pulled a car over in the same spot, presumably for the same reason. Also during the course of my recent bitching about this a coworker said his neighbor got a ticket for the same thing. Hey motorcycle cop guy instead of generating revenue how about if you try and be on the lookout for some actual crime, or better yet try and get some leads on that quadruple murder from last year.
The only logical thing to do is burn Topeka to the ground.
I got out of a similar ticket in Manhattan. I went and talked to the prosecuter, told him some fabricated, detailed story about how the street signs are confusing, and he threw the case out.confusing signs = cannot break law. got it, lawdog1
All of those reasons you gave for the ticket being bullshit won't get you off. You have to make a case that you were somehow acting lawfully.
I got out of a similar ticket in Manhattan. I went and talked to the prosecuter, told him some fabricated, detailed story about how the street signs are confusing, and he threw the case out.confusing signs = cannot break law. got it, lawdog1
All of those reasons you gave for the ticket being bullshit won't get you off. You have to make a case that you were somehow acting lawfully.
Actually, if he gets himself an AASHTO green book and finds something wrong with that intersection, he can probably get out of the ticket.
The neocons in this thread are laughable. Love the police when they are shooting unarmed civilians, hate the police when they enforce minor traffic laws :lol:
The neocons in this thread are laughable. Love the police when they are shooting unarmed civilians, hate the police when they enforce minor traffic laws :lol:
yes it's very funny. shoot an unarmed black guy in st louis? ok, no problem. give me a traffic ticket for breaking the law? I'M ANGRY THIS IS WRONG!
The neocons in this thread are laughable. Love the police when they are shooting unarmed civilians, hate the police when they enforce minor traffic laws :lol:
yes it's very funny. shoot an unarmed black guy in st louis? ok, no problem. give me a traffic ticket for breaking the law? I'M ANGRY THIS IS WRONG!
Don't Pit this thread up. you wouldn't like me when you pit this thread up
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I take personal responsibility when I get traffic tickets because I broke the law and got caught. I don't get angry at anyone but myself
"Hey man! It's just a little grass bro. Chill out man! What are these handcuffs for? This is bunk dude!" :lol:The bunk is murder police, dude. A homicide detective, not a beat cop.
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Mine was 67 in a 55.
I take personal responsibility when I get traffic tickets because I broke the law and got caught. I don't get angry at anyone but myself
Glad this is not a shared experience for you. If you ever get a traffic ticket for breaking an ordinance that has no actual safety purpose in the particular setting (e.g. the intersection as described above), knowing that in the time it takes the officer to write you the ticket he could actually be watching for people actually driving dangerously, but the officer is really only interested in scooping some money out of your pocket to pay for his new Kevlar vest, and knowing that your insurance is going to treat this ticket exactly the same as any other ticket for actually driving dangerously, it will piss you off too.
I take personal responsibility when I get traffic tickets because I broke the law and got caught. I don't get angry at anyone but myself
Glad this is not a shared experience for you. If you ever get a traffic ticket for breaking an ordinance that has no actual safety purpose in the particular setting (e.g. the intersection as described above), knowing that in the time it takes the officer to write you the ticket he could actually be watching for people actually driving dangerously, but the officer is really only interested in scooping some money out of your pocket to pay for his new Kevlar vest, and knowing that your insurance is going to treat this ticket exactly the same as any other ticket for actually driving dangerously, it will piss you off too.
Has anyone ever attempted this or more importantly been successful at it? I was stopped last week a couple of blocks from work for an "improper left turn", or in other words not turning into the lane closest to the center of the street. This was in Topeka going from the I470 off ramp East onto Huntoon. The cop asked if there was a reason why I had "swung out so wide" to make the turn and I was like Umm, what? Where? So I explained to him I got in the right lane because that's the lane I needed to be in order to get to my office. This is an absolutely pud and meaningless thing to be given a ticket for. Maybe he was mad at the world for having to ride a motorcycle on a freezing cold morning or something.
Furthermore this is simply a cash grab. The very next day I was sitting at the same light and I looked over and saw the same motorcycle cop had pulled a car over in the same spot, presumably for the same reason. Also during the course of my recent bitching about this a coworker said his neighbor got a ticket for the same thing. Hey motorcycle cop guy instead of generating revenue how about if you try and be on the lookout for some actual crime, or better yet try and get some leads on that quadruple murder from last year.
Psychopaths usually blame others for their misdeeds, rather than accepting responsibility for their actions.I take personal responsibility when I get traffic tickets because I broke the law and got caught. I don't get angry at anyone but myself
Glad this is not a shared experience for you. If you ever get a traffic ticket for breaking an ordinance that has no actual safety purpose in the particular setting (e.g. the intersection as described above), knowing that in the time it takes the officer to write you the ticket he could actually be watching for people actually driving dangerously, but the officer is really only interested in scooping some money out of your pocket to pay for his new Kevlar vest, and knowing that your insurance is going to treat this ticket exactly the same as any other ticket for actually driving dangerously, it will piss you off too.
Some people struggle with personal responsibility.
and rehabilitated drunk drivers who have obviously learned their lesson.I love these remarks. For the record, Tonya has never had a few drinks and gotten behind a wheel. NEVER! rough ridin' saint right here in the flesh.
Some people struggle with personal responsibility.
now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?
Has anyone ever attempted this or more importantly been successful at it? I was stopped last week a couple of blocks from work for an "improper left turn", or in other words not turning into the lane closest to the center of the street. This was in Topeka going from the I470 off ramp East onto Huntoon. The cop asked if there was a reason why I had "swung out so wide" to make the turn and I was like Umm, what? Where? So I explained to him I got in the right lane because that's the lane I needed to be in order to get to my office. This is an absolutely pud and meaningless thing to be given a ticket for. Maybe he was mad at the world for having to ride a motorcycle on a freezing cold morning or something.
Furthermore this is simply a cash grab. The very next day I was sitting at the same light and I looked over and saw the same motorcycle cop had pulled a car over in the same spot, presumably for the same reason. Also during the course of my recent bitching about this a coworker said his neighbor got a ticket for the same thing. Hey motorcycle cop guy instead of generating revenue how about if you try and be on the lookout for some actual crime, or better yet try and get some leads on that quadruple murder from last year.
The most likely explanation is that there has been one or more accidents on this ramp that resulted from the behavior you describe, and the traffic sergeant put someone on that and similar intersections to deter drivers from doing the same thing you're doing. A lot of emphasis on accident prevention would be a good guess.
now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?
right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green. And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road
now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?
right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green. And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road
now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?
right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green. And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road
does common sense not prohibit you from making that right turn into oncoming traffic?
also of note is that the picture illustrates that brock landers is completely full of crap, as you can see there is no urgent need for him to be in the right lane. case closed. pay the man his money.
now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?
right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green. And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road
does common sense not prohibit you from making that right turn into oncoming traffic?
also of note is that the picture illustrates that brock landers is completely full of crap, as you can see there is no urgent need for him to be in the right lane. case closed. pay the man his money.
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now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?
right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green. And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road
does common sense not prohibit you from making that right turn into oncoming traffic?
also of note is that the picture illustrates that brock landers is completely full of crap, as you can see there is no urgent need for him to be in the right lane. case closed. pay the man his money.
There is no oncoming traffic if the car turning left is following the law.
21801. (a) The driver of a vehicle intending to turn to the left or
to complete a U-turn upon a highway, or to turn left into public or
private property, or an alley, shall yield the right-of-way to all
vehicles approaching from the opposite direction which are close
enough to constitute a hazard at any time during the turning
movement, and shall continue to yield the right-of-way to the
approaching vehicles until the left turn or U-turn can be made with
reasonable safety.
now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?
right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green. And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road
does common sense not prohibit you from making that right turn into oncoming traffic?
also of note is that the picture illustrates that brock landers is completely full of crap, as you can see there is no urgent need for him to be in the right lane. case closed. pay the man his money.
common sense is not law.
also as stated, Brock's office is a good 1/4 mi and through a major intersection from the place mapped.
Has anyone ever attempted this or more importantly been successful at it? I was stopped last week a couple of blocks from work for an "improper left turn", or in other words not turning into the lane closest to the center of the street. This was in Topeka going from the I470 off ramp East onto Huntoon. The cop asked if there was a reason why I had "swung out so wide" to make the turn and I was like Umm, what? Where? So I explained to him I got in the right lane because that's the lane I needed to be in order to get to my office. This is an absolutely pud and meaningless thing to be given a ticket for. Maybe he was mad at the world for having to ride a motorcycle on a freezing cold morning or something.
Furthermore this is simply a cash grab. The very next day I was sitting at the same light and I looked over and saw the same motorcycle cop had pulled a car over in the same spot, presumably for the same reason. Also during the course of my recent bitching about this a coworker said his neighbor got a ticket for the same thing. Hey motorcycle cop guy instead of generating revenue how about if you try and be on the lookout for some actual crime, or better yet try and get some leads on that quadruple murder from last year.
The most likely explanation is that there has been one or more accidents on this ramp that resulted from the behavior you describe, and the traffic sergeant put someone on that and similar intersections to deter drivers from doing the same thing you're doing. A lot of emphasis on accident prevention would be a good guess.
Bless your little heart if you really believe this. If their intent was actually about accident prevention he could have mentioned this during the stop and let me off with a warning - "Hey buddy just wanted to let you know there's been some accidents recently at this very intersection so just make sure you keep that turn to the inside lane. Have a good day!!" Nope, no mention of this whatsoever, that'll be $142 please.
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yeah the guy definitely has the right to turn right on red with the expectation that the guy turning left stays in his own freaking lane. that's like drivers ed 101. also lander's excuse of well i needed to turn a right in a little bit anyway to get to work isn't valid because i'm sure landers doesn't work fifty feet from that intersection. he probably works 1/2 mile from that turn. i'm wacky case closing this think.
after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.
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yeah the guy definitely has the right to turn right on red with the expectation that the guy turning left stays in his own freaking lane. that's like drivers ed 101. also lander's excuse of well i needed to turn a right in a little bit anyway to get to work isn't valid because i'm sure landers doesn't work fifty feet from that intersection. he probably works 1/2 mile from that turn. i'm wacky case closing this think.
he might have the right to turn red but it's rough ridin' stupid.
why? because drivers like broke landers take the law into their own hands and veer into the wrong lane.
that's why he got the ticket. fuzz, don't you see what's going on here? this case has already been closed.
after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.
not at that time of day. Coyote Canyon maybe
after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.
not at that time of day. Coyote Canyon maybe
You're both pretty close.
Cracker Barrel.
after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.
not at that time of day. Coyote Canyon maybe
You're both pretty close.
Cracker Barrel.
At least it wasn't Rib Crib amirite?
btw, love that shirt today....looks great on you.
after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.
not at that time of day. Coyote Canyon maybe
You're both pretty close.
Cracker Barrel.
At least it wasn't Rib Crib amirite?
btw, love that shirt today....looks great on you.
Alright now you're starting to freak me the eff out :sdeek: :peek: :lol:
yeah the guy definitely has the right to turn right on red with the expectation that the guy turning left stays in his own freaking lane. that's like drivers ed 101. also lander's excuse of well i needed to turn a right in a little bit anyway to get to work isn't valid because i'm sure landers doesn't work fifty feet from that intersection. he probably works 1/2 mile from that turn. i'm wacky case closing this think.
he might have the right to turn red but it's rough ridin' stupid.
why? because drivers like broke landers take the law into their own hands and veer into the wrong lane.
that's why he got the ticket. fuzz, don't you see what's going on here? this case has already been closed.
ok. i'm in 100% agreement. landers is a law breaking a-hole driver that deserves a ticket and anyone that would turn a right there with oncoming left handed turners probably isn't very smart. also, my guess is landers works more than 1/2 mile up the street. like hey i pulled you over cause you crossed three lanes of traffic on i-70 without a turn signal. oh don't worry about that. i need to exit two miles up the road.
what if Brock is Tim and he has to work on that bridge?
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yeah the guy definitely has the right to turn right on red with the expectation that the guy turning left stays in his own freaking lane. that's like drivers ed 101. also lander's excuse of well i needed to turn a right in a little bit anyway to get to work isn't valid because i'm sure landers doesn't work fifty feet from that intersection. he probably works 1/2 mile from that turn. i'm wacky case closing this think.
after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.
not at that time of day. Coyote Canyon maybe
Or, as another example, the cops who get super angry and ticket people for flashing their headlights to warn oncoming cars of a speed trap. Far from aiding in committing a violation, the driver is actually telling people to "slow down" - but the cops are losing ticket revenue. Thankfully, courts are tossing these tickets based on freedom of speech.
Or, as another example, the cops who get super angry and ticket people for flashing their headlights to warn oncoming cars of a speed trap. Far from aiding in committing a violation, the driver is actually telling people to "slow down" - but the cops are losing ticket revenue. Thankfully, courts are tossing these tickets based on freedom of speech.
Well lookee here. KCStar: Ticket for Flashing Headlights to Warn of Grain Valley Speed Trap Draws Federal Lawsuit (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article4263845.html).
The lawsuit will succeed. Why do people not like cops? I give you Exhibit A.
Has anyone ever attempted this or more importantly been successful at it? I was stopped last week a couple of blocks from work for an "improper left turn", or in other words not turning into the lane closest to the center of the street. This was in Topeka going from the I470 off ramp East onto Huntoon. The cop asked if there was a reason why I had "swung out so wide" to make the turn and I was like Umm, what? Where? So I explained to him I got in the right lane because that's the lane I needed to be in order to get to my office. This is an absolutely pud and meaningless thing to be given a ticket for. Maybe he was mad at the world for having to ride a motorcycle on a freezing cold morning or something.
Furthermore this is simply a cash grab. The very next day I was sitting at the same light and I looked over and saw the same motorcycle cop had pulled a car over in the same spot, presumably for the same reason. Also during the course of my recent bitching about this a coworker said his neighbor got a ticket for the same thing. Hey motorcycle cop guy instead of generating revenue how about if you try and be on the lookout for some actual crime, or better yet try and get some leads on that quadruple murder from last year.
The most likely explanation is that there has been one or more accidents on this ramp that resulted from the behavior you describe, and the traffic sergeant put someone on that and similar intersections to deter drivers from doing the same thing you're doing. A lot of emphasis on accident prevention would be a good guess.
Bless your little heart if you really believe this. If their intent was actually about accident prevention he could have mentioned this during the stop and let me off with a warning - "Hey buddy just wanted to let you know there's been some accidents recently at this very intersection so just make sure you keep that turn to the inside lane. Have a good day!!" Nope, no mention of this whatsoever, that'll be $142 please.
BTW, traffic stats are pretty solid on fines being a better deterrence than warnings.
Swift, certain and severe. *cough* deterrence theory is bullshit *cough*Has anyone ever attempted this or more importantly been successful at it? I was stopped last week a couple of blocks from work for an "improper left turn", or in other words not turning into the lane closest to the center of the street. This was in Topeka going from the I470 off ramp East onto Huntoon. The cop asked if there was a reason why I had "swung out so wide" to make the turn and I was like Umm, what? Where? So I explained to him I got in the right lane because that's the lane I needed to be in order to get to my office. This is an absolutely pud and meaningless thing to be given a ticket for. Maybe he was mad at the world for having to ride a motorcycle on a freezing cold morning or something.
Furthermore this is simply a cash grab. The very next day I was sitting at the same light and I looked over and saw the same motorcycle cop had pulled a car over in the same spot, presumably for the same reason. Also during the course of my recent bitching about this a coworker said his neighbor got a ticket for the same thing. Hey motorcycle cop guy instead of generating revenue how about if you try and be on the lookout for some actual crime, or better yet try and get some leads on that quadruple murder from last year.
The most likely explanation is that there has been one or more accidents on this ramp that resulted from the behavior you describe, and the traffic sergeant put someone on that and similar intersections to deter drivers from doing the same thing you're doing. A lot of emphasis on accident prevention would be a good guess.
Bless your little heart if you really believe this. If their intent was actually about accident prevention he could have mentioned this during the stop and let me off with a warning - "Hey buddy just wanted to let you know there's been some accidents recently at this very intersection so just make sure you keep that turn to the inside lane. Have a good day!!" Nope, no mention of this whatsoever, that'll be $142 please.
Nice conjecture, non-law enforcement person. The easiest option is to do absolutely nothing, which would be my competing alternative, not revenue. BTW, traffic stats are pretty solid on fines being a better deterrence than warnings.
BTW, traffic stats are pretty solid on fines being a better deterrence than warnings.
I tried googling that and didn't come up with anything. Link?
BTW, traffic stats are pretty solid on fines being a better deterrence than warnings.
I tried googling that and didn't come up with anything. Link?
Sorry to use common sense here, but your auto insurance goes up with a ticket (moving violations), making the next one much more costly in insurance costs. "Warnings" are not going to do that.
BTW, traffic stats are pretty solid on fines being a better deterrence than warnings.
I tried googling that and didn't come up with anything. Link?
THAT'S your revenue angle. You get milked at the prosecutor's office.
Sorry to use common sense here, but your auto insurance goes up with a ticket (moving violations), making the next one much more costly in insurance costs. "Warnings" are not going to do that.
Ok so no actual stats then? Just because a ticket is more costly than a warning doesn't mean that receiving a ticket is any more or less likely to deter future infractions than receiving a warning. It's the threat of getting a ticket that provides deterrence.
Besides, if "points on the license" is the desired deterrent, then why does virtually every city prosecutor allow you to plead down tickets to non moving violations for a higher fine? Almost seems like the cities are more interested in something else....
Hey, most of my offenders become experts on the laws they've broken, I can see you're doing the same thing. Best of luck with that ticket.
Hey, most of my offenders become experts on the laws they've broken, I can see you're doing the same thing. Best of luck with that ticket.
I think you're confused - and that sorta makes sense. I'm not the OP. I already paid my ticket. But thanks for exactly the sort of churlish response I would expect from a cop.