Contesting a traffic ticket (OFFICER DARIS NOT ALLOWED)

[pissclams]

now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?

[Mikeyis4dcats]

now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?

right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green.   And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road

[Brock Landers]

Has anyone ever attempted this or more importantly been successful at it?  I was stopped last week a couple of blocks from work for an "improper left turn", or in other words not turning into the lane closest to the center of the street.  This was in Topeka going from the I470 off ramp East onto Huntoon.  The cop asked if there was a reason why I had "swung out so wide" to make the turn and I was like Umm, what?  Where?  So I explained to him I got in the right lane because that's the lane I needed to be in order to get to my office.  This is an absolutely pud and meaningless thing to be given a ticket for.  Maybe he was mad at the world for having to ride a motorcycle on a freezing cold morning or something.

Furthermore this is simply a cash grab.  The very next day I was sitting at the same light and I looked over and saw the same motorcycle cop had pulled a car over in the same spot, presumably for the same reason.  Also during the course of my recent bitching about this a coworker said his neighbor got a ticket for the same thing.  Hey motorcycle cop guy instead of generating revenue how about if you try and be on the lookout for some actual crime, or better yet try and get some leads on that quadruple murder from last year.

The most likely explanation is that there has been one or more accidents on this ramp that resulted from the behavior you describe, and the traffic sergeant put someone on that and similar intersections to deter drivers from doing the same thing you're doing.  A lot of emphasis on accident prevention would be a good guess.

Bless your little heart if you really believe this.  If their intent was actually about accident prevention he could have mentioned this during the stop and let me off with a warning - "Hey buddy just wanted to let you know there's been some accidents recently at this very intersection so just make sure you keep that turn to the inside lane. Have a good day!!"  Nope, no mention of this whatsoever, that'll be $142 please.

[pissclams]

now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?

right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green.   And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road

does common sense not prohibit you from making that right turn into oncoming traffic? 


also of note is that the picture illustrates that brock landers is completely full of crap, as you can see there is no urgent need for him to be in the right lane.  case closed.  pay the man his money.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?

right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green.   And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road

I'm no expert on this, but I don think the "yielder" (red car) is permitted to make any assumptions about the green car's compliance with the law. Classic example would be the case of the errant turn signal, where a car improperly signals a turn but keeps driving straight. If somebody turns out in front of him, expecting him to turn because of his signal, and there is a collision, I think the yielder is still at fault, no?

[Mikeyis4dcats]

now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?

right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green.   And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road

does common sense not prohibit you from making that right turn into oncoming traffic? 


also of note is that the picture illustrates that brock landers is completely full of crap, as you can see there is no urgent need for him to be in the right lane.  case closed.  pay the man his money.

common sense is not law.

also as stated, Brock's office is a good 1/4 mi and through a major intersection from the place mapped.   

[Rage Against the McKee]

now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?

right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green.   And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road

does common sense not prohibit you from making that right turn into oncoming traffic? 


also of note is that the picture illustrates that brock landers is completely full of crap, as you can see there is no urgent need for him to be in the right lane.  case closed.  pay the man his money.

There is no oncoming traffic if the car turning left is following the law.

[Dr Rick Daris]

yeah the guy definitely has the right to turn right on red with the expectation that the guy turning left stays in his own freaking lane. that's like drivers ed 101. also lander's excuse of well i needed to turn a right in a little bit anyway to get to work isn't valid because i'm sure landers doesn't work fifty feet from that intersection. he probably works 1/2 mile from that turn. i'm wacky case closing this think.

[pissclams]

now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?

right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green.   And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road

does common sense not prohibit you from making that right turn into oncoming traffic? 


also of note is that the picture illustrates that brock landers is completely full of crap, as you can see there is no urgent need for him to be in the right lane.  case closed.  pay the man his money.

There is no oncoming traffic if the car turning left is following the law.

hey check out this science being dropped, thanks lawdog3
traffic is oncoming regardless

[Mikeyis4dcats]

I don't know about Kansas statute, but some googling indicates is Virginia, left turn must yield to all opposing traffic.   I would suspect KS law follows.

21801. (a) The driver of a vehicle intending to turn to the left or
to complete a U-turn upon a highway, or to turn left into public or
private property, or an alley, shall yield the right-of-way to all
vehicles approaching from the opposite direction which are close
enough to constitute a hazard at any time during the turning
movement, and shall continue to yield the right-of-way to the
approaching vehicles until the left turn or U-turn can be made with
reasonable safety.

[pissclams]

now the driver in red should not be turning onto huntoon when the green driver has the turn, so what's wrong with this rough ridin' fuzz?

right on red must yield but there is nothing prohibiting it on a left green.   And in yielding, it may be proper to assume left turn maintains his lane, just as you would merging onto a 4 lane road

does common sense not prohibit you from making that right turn into oncoming traffic? 


also of note is that the picture illustrates that brock landers is completely full of crap, as you can see there is no urgent need for him to be in the right lane.  case closed.  pay the man his money.

common sense is not law.

also as stated, Brock's office is a good 1/4 mi and through a major intersection from the place mapped.   

common sense isn't law?  thanks, lawdog4 - learn something new every day around here

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Has anyone ever attempted this or more importantly been successful at it?  I was stopped last week a couple of blocks from work for an "improper left turn", or in other words not turning into the lane closest to the center of the street.  This was in Topeka going from the I470 off ramp East onto Huntoon.  The cop asked if there was a reason why I had "swung out so wide" to make the turn and I was like Umm, what?  Where?  So I explained to him I got in the right lane because that's the lane I needed to be in order to get to my office.  This is an absolutely pud and meaningless thing to be given a ticket for.  Maybe he was mad at the world for having to ride a motorcycle on a freezing cold morning or something.

Furthermore this is simply a cash grab.  The very next day I was sitting at the same light and I looked over and saw the same motorcycle cop had pulled a car over in the same spot, presumably for the same reason.  Also during the course of my recent bitching about this a coworker said his neighbor got a ticket for the same thing.  Hey motorcycle cop guy instead of generating revenue how about if you try and be on the lookout for some actual crime, or better yet try and get some leads on that quadruple murder from last year.

The most likely explanation is that there has been one or more accidents on this ramp that resulted from the behavior you describe, and the traffic sergeant put someone on that and similar intersections to deter drivers from doing the same thing you're doing.  A lot of emphasis on accident prevention would be a good guess.

Bless your little heart if you really believe this.  If their intent was actually about accident prevention he could have mentioned this during the stop and let me off with a warning - "Hey buddy just wanted to let you know there's been some accidents recently at this very intersection so just make sure you keep that turn to the inside lane. Have a good day!!"  Nope, no mention of this whatsoever, that'll be $142 please.

Or, as another example, the cops who get super angry and ticket people for flashing their headlights to warn oncoming cars of a speed trap. Far from aiding in committing a violation, the driver is actually telling people to "slow down" - but the cops are losing ticket revenue. Thankfully, courts are tossing these tickets based on freedom of speech.

[pissclams]

yeah the guy definitely has the right to turn right on red with the expectation that the guy turning left stays in his own freaking lane. that's like drivers ed 101. also lander's excuse of well i needed to turn a right in a little bit anyway to get to work isn't valid because i'm sure landers doesn't work fifty feet from that intersection. he probably works 1/2 mile from that turn. i'm wacky case closing this think.

he might have the right to turn red but it's rough ridin' stupid.
why?  because drivers like broke landers take the law into their own hands and veer into the wrong lane.
that's why he got the ticket.  fuzz, don't you see what's going on here?  this case has already been closed.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.

not at that time of day.   Coyote Canyon maybe

[Dr Rick Daris]

yeah the guy definitely has the right to turn right on red with the expectation that the guy turning left stays in his own freaking lane. that's like drivers ed 101. also lander's excuse of well i needed to turn a right in a little bit anyway to get to work isn't valid because i'm sure landers doesn't work fifty feet from that intersection. he probably works 1/2 mile from that turn. i'm wacky case closing this think.

he might have the right to turn red but it's rough ridin' stupid.
why?  because drivers like broke landers take the law into their own hands and veer into the wrong lane.
that's why he got the ticket.  fuzz, don't you see what's going on here?  this case has already been closed.

ok. i'm in 100% agreement. landers is a law breaking a-hole driver that deserves a ticket and anyone that would turn a right there with oncoming left handed turners probably isn't very smart. also, my guess is landers works more than 1/2 mile up the street. like hey i pulled you over cause you crossed three lanes of traffic on i-70 without a turn signal. oh don't worry about that. i need to exit two miles up the road.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

huntoon street sounds like a really awesome sly stallone halloween movie.

[Brock Landers]

after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.

not at that time of day.   Coyote Canyon maybe

You're both pretty close.


Cracker Barrel.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.

not at that time of day.   Coyote Canyon maybe

You're both pretty close.


Cracker Barrel.

At least it wasn't Rib Crib amirite?

btw, love that shirt today....looks great on you.

[Brock Landers]

after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.

not at that time of day.   Coyote Canyon maybe

You're both pretty close.


Cracker Barrel.

At least it wasn't Rib Crib amirite?

btw, love that shirt today....looks great on you.

Alright now you're starting to freak me the eff out   

[Mikeyis4dcats]

after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.

not at that time of day.   Coyote Canyon maybe

You're both pretty close.


Cracker Barrel.

At least it wasn't Rib Crib amirite?

btw, love that shirt today....looks great on you.

Alright now you're starting to freak me the eff out   

 

[Brock Landers]

yeah the guy definitely has the right to turn right on red with the expectation that the guy turning left stays in his own freaking lane. that's like drivers ed 101. also lander's excuse of well i needed to turn a right in a little bit anyway to get to work isn't valid because i'm sure landers doesn't work fifty feet from that intersection. he probably works 1/2 mile from that turn. i'm wacky case closing this think.

he might have the right to turn red but it's rough ridin' stupid.
why?  because drivers like broke landers take the law into their own hands and veer into the wrong lane.
that's why he got the ticket.  fuzz, don't you see what's going on here?  this case has already been closed.

ok. i'm in 100% agreement. landers is a law breaking a-hole driver that deserves a ticket and anyone that would turn a right there with oncoming left handed turners probably isn't very smart. also, my guess is landers works more than 1/2 mile up the street. like hey i pulled you over cause you crossed three lanes of traffic on i-70 without a turn signal. oh don't worry about that. i need to exit two miles up the road.

Well, this wasn't a very nice thing to say Officer Daris.  In addition to being a nice respectful guy I bet I have a cleaner driving record than most of the posters on this blog.

Oh and another thing, none of the bolded part makes any sense.  Manhattan is the biggest town you should be patrolling otherwise you might get lost!  OMG fellas a cop who doesn't know the difference between I70 and I470!!!!!     

[star seed 7]

Brock can't read good 

[slobber]

yeah the guy definitely has the right to turn right on red with the expectation that the guy turning left stays in his own freaking lane. that's like drivers ed 101. also lander's excuse of well i needed to turn a right in a little bit anyway to get to work isn't valid because i'm sure landers doesn't work fifty feet from that intersection. he probably works 1/2 mile from that turn. i'm wacky case closing this think.

what if Brock is Tim and he has to work on that bridge?


Gonna win 'em all!

[Stevesie60]

after looking at the map i think brock works at texas roadhouse, which makes sense because its topeka.

not at that time of day.   Coyote Canyon maybe

I don't think the pic that clams posted is actually from the time that Brock was at the intersection. Could be wrong though.