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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: 420seriouscat69 on October 15, 2014, 12:27:34 PM
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If you put in your two weeks, they have to pay you, right? Ms. Wacky is freaking out a bit. Especially since she's suppose to go overseas next week. :dunno:
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they don't have to do anything (unless there is a contract involved)
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they don't have to do anything (unless there is a contract involved)
:ohno:
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If she were to put in notice and they say no thanks and bounce her immediately she could apply for un-employment. probably not worth it for two weeks of pay as they would fight it and she would have to go stand in line with all the gross people.
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If she were to put in notice and they say no thanks and bounce her immediately she could apply for un-employment. probably not worth it for two weeks of pay as they would fight it and she would have to go stand in line with all the gross people.
Yeah, I think she's really worried about it. I mean, her present company has had so many recent changes and she's like almost the only one left. They still have to pay out her vacatio tho, right?
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If she were to put in notice and they say no thanks and bounce her immediately she could apply for un-employment. probably not worth it for two weeks of pay as they would fight it and she would have to go stand in line with all the gross people.
Yeah, I think she's really worried about it. I mean, her present company has had so many recent changes and she's like almost the only one left. They still have to pay out her vacatio tho, right?
depends on the employment contract. Unless her current employer was a complete piece of crap they generally do. When i left my last job i had way over the limit of vacation hours like close to four weeks and they still paid me for all of it. <---- #fanningbrag
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If she were to put in notice and they say no thanks and bounce her immediately she could apply for un-employment. probably not worth it for two weeks of pay as they would fight it and she would have to go stand in line with all the gross people.
Yeah, I think she's really worried about it. I mean, her present company has had so many recent changes and she's like almost the only one left. They still have to pay out her vacatio tho, right?
depends on the employment contract. Unless her current employer was a complete piece of crap they generally do. When i left my last job i had way over the limit of vacation hours like close to four weeks and they still paid me for all of it. <---- #fanningbrag
That's good to know. I mean, she was with them for 9 years and they're a sinking ship. You'd think they'd be courteous enough to do it the right way.
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theyre gonna pay her for the 2 weeks...
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theyre gonna pay her for the 2 weeks...
That's what I told her, but I didn't want to be wrong. She would be so pissed. :ohno:
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theyre gonna pay her for the 2 weeks...
That's what I told her, but I didn't want to be wrong. She would be so pissed. :ohno:
well she has a BBQ trust fund so whatever.
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theyre gonna pay her for the 2 weeks...
That's what I told her, but I didn't want to be wrong. She would be so pissed. :ohno:
well she has a BBQ trust fund so whatever.
Yeah but it's in sauce not actual cash.
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:ROFL:
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theyre gonna pay her for the 2 weeks...
That's what I told her, but I didn't want to be wrong. She would be so pissed. :ohno:
well she has a BBQ trust fund so whatever.
Yeah but it's in sauce not actual cash.
talk about liquid assets.....
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In my experience, I have seen more ppl bounced the day they gave notice than those who actually worked through their notice period. However, last time I moved jobs, I gave a months notice and worked it all.
How crucial is what she does? Could someone else pick it up easily?
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It's pretty crucial. They need her and already booked her flights to India and hong Kong next week.
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I think if you take vacation and then try to put in your two weeks, you forfeit your previous paycheck.
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It's pretty crucial. They need her and already booked her flights to India and hong Kong next week.
Oh man, free trips to India and Hong Kong and she doesn't even have to do any work while there since she'll be gone right after and the lack of accomplishment will not affect her.
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I would pay good money for wacky to tag along and someone follows him around hong kong and india with a camera as he explores both places and interacts with the locals
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I would pay good money for wacky to tag along and someone follows him around hong kong and india with a camera as he explores both places and interacts with the locals
:love:
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mrs hubs was literally just freaking out about this exact same thing the other day. I believe it depends on the state, but assuming this is at-will employment and not contract, then unless there is a provision in her new hire manual that states the company can refuse to pay out accrued vacation then they have to pay it. And if they change that policy they have to notify the employees in writing. I don't believe they have to pay out any un-used sick days unless the sick days are all rolled into the PTO. Some companies split out sick time from PTO because the sick time won't roll over to the next FY.
If she puts in her 2 weeks and they tell her to kindly hit the bricks, then hopefully her pay is staggered by a week so at the least she will receive her next paycheck plus a partial check for time worked on the current pay period.
Also...mrs wacky isn't....mrs hubs???
:sdeek:
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It's pretty crucial. They need her and already booked her flights to India and hong Kong next week.
Sounds like a good opportunity to talk about a raise.
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She needs to get out of that crap hole. Also, _hub! :surprised:
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She needs to get out of that crap hole. Also, _hub! :surprised:
Well, it would explain all that time "in Hong Kong". :dunno:
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Ha. Her boss wanted to keep her on till the end of November. Is she dumb?
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Ha. Her boss wanted to keep her on till the end of November. Is she dumb?
I think a two week notice becoming a 1 month notice is fairly common...especially when it comes to the harder to replace type of employees, which it sounds like she is. I can boast a squeaky clean track record of current and former employers having nothing but compliments to say about me, (<==fanningbrag) and my advice would be: don't burn bridges, she will almost certainly find that she will encounter these people again and she'll be glad she didn't do something to alienate herself. Unless her new job hinges on her starting before the first of december...she should stay on til end of november. Current boss will appreciate her not leaving them high and dry and that goes a long way.
Also wacky sorry we married the same woman and didn't realize it til just now. This is just so embarrassing. :frown:
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It happens bud! :cheers:
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I agree with Hub.
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Wacky, she could suggest some kind of consulting arrangement with her current employer wherein she would be willing to come in for a few hours if/when they needed her for something (and make a higher per hour rate than she does now).
Also, I think you should definitely insist on a credit check before you marry her.
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Wacky, she could suggest some kind of consulting arrangement with her current employer wherein she would be willing to come in for a few hours if/when they needed her for something (and make a higher per hour rate than she does now).
Also, I think you should definitely insist on a credit check before you marry her.
:surprised: Yeah, I think she will try and help them out if she can. She's only going to do two weeks. She's also not going to India or hong kong. She's been there a few times for work and really wasn't looking fwd to it. She's happy.
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They did the right thing yanking her trip.
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They did the right thing yanking her trip.
:ROFL: I know you're usually right, but she's been bitching about this trip for over a month now. She could give two shits less. She didn't want to go.
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I don't understand the people with job experiences of getting let go the same day they put in their two weeks... how unimportant are you to your company where they are confident that you can drop off the face of the earth and the whole ship will keep humming along?
I know with people in similar roles to my own, we frequently ask for the 1 month notice to help with the transition. But I think that just comes with the game with a technical role, it takes a while to get someone up to speed. I've even see what Mrs. Gooch suggested play out, where a guy put in his 2 weeks mid project and they got him to stay on as a higher paid consultant for a few months after. My warning on that would be, if you ever wanted to work there/with those people again, that action can kind of leave a sour taste in the mouth.
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Whip their rough ridin' loser asses, herrsontag.
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I don't understand the people with job experiences of getting let go the same day they put in their two weeks... how unimportant are you to your company where they are confident that you can drop off the face of the earth and the whole ship will keep humming along?
I know with people in similar roles to my own, we frequently ask for the 1 month notice to help with the transition. But I think that just comes with the game with a technical role, it takes a while to get someone up to speed. I've even see what Mrs. Gooch suggested play out, where a guy put in his 2 weeks mid project and they got him to stay on as a higher paid consultant for a few months after. My warning on that would be, if you ever wanted to work there/with those people again, that action can kind of leave a sour taste in the mouth.
Why would it leave a sour taste in their mouth? You are helping them out by coming in after you no longer work there and presumably have another job.
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Security or liability are the reasons I have seen ppl get bounced the day they give notice. If you have access to sensitive info, or are in a position to financially hurt a project or employer through lack of focus, I understand the move.
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I don't understand the people with job experiences of getting let go the same day they put in their two weeks... how unimportant are you to your company where they are confident that you can drop off the face of the earth and the whole ship will keep humming along?
I know with people in similar roles to my own, we frequently ask for the 1 month notice to help with the transition. But I think that just comes with the game with a technical role, it takes a while to get someone up to speed. I've even see what Mrs. Gooch suggested play out, where a guy put in his 2 weeks mid project and they got him to stay on as a higher paid consultant for a few months after. My warning on that would be, if you ever wanted to work there/with those people again, that action can kind of leave a sour taste in the mouth.
It's been my experience, in sales, that if you're quitting and going to a direct competitor they don't want you to spend the next two weeks getting info and contacts that might be helpful to their competitor. Although the good sales people have already gotten their contacts down in a personal computer or phone long before giving their notice.
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do people in sales job hop quite a bit? i have a friend in sales who is on his 4th job and is 2.5 years out of college. in my line of work (investment broker) almost no one switches to a competitor. its a smaller industry though.
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do people in sales job hop quite a bit? i have a friend in sales who is on his 4th job and is 2.5 years out of college. in my line of work (investment broker) almost no one switches to a competitor. its a smaller industry though.
Yes! Mainly to switch to a better product to make more $. When I was doing software sales all my coworkers had crazy backgrounds from like a thousand different sales jobs.
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So if herrsonwhatever gets hit by a bus tomorrow his company probably folds huh?
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They did the right thing yanking her trip.
:ROFL: I know you're usually right, but she's been bitching about this trip for over a month now. She could give two shits less. She didn't want to go.
And her current job is a sinking ship too. People rationalize lots of things
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They did the right thing yanking her trip.
:ROFL: I know you're usually right, but she's been bitching about this trip for over a month now. She could give two shits less. She didn't want to go.
And her current job is a sinking ship too. People rationalize lots of things
You don't think a card company that keeps laying off ppl at the drop of a hat is a sinking ship?
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They did the right thing yanking her trip.
:ROFL: I know you're usually right, but she's been bitching about this trip for over a month now. She could give two shits less. She didn't want to go.
And her current job is a sinking ship too. People rationalize lots of things
You don't think a card company that keeps laying off ppl at the drop of a hat is a sinking ship?
I've got a crazy notion that Hallmark will somehow not sink.
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so why dont sales companies put in non-competes into their new hires contracts? like for a year if someone leaves they cant work for these certain competitors? maybe im missing something? seems like someone who would be greedy enough to job hop for a little extra cash would sign anything thinking this was the stop on their job hop bus where they become a millionaire.
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They did the right thing yanking her trip.
:ROFL: I know you're usually right, but she's been bitching about this trip for over a month now. She could give two shits less. She didn't want to go.
And her current job is a sinking ship too. People rationalize lots of things
You don't think a card company that keeps laying off ppl at the drop of a hat is a sinking ship?
I've got a crazy notion that Hallmark will somehow not sink.
Well ya, I mean those are my words, not hers, but watching all your friends lose their jobs can be kinda scary. I mean, when it started going down like that at UOP, you bet your ass I was looking.
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so why dont sales companies put in non-competes into their new hires contracts? like for a year if someone leaves they cant work for these certain competitors? maybe im missing something? seems like someone who would be greedy enough to job hop for a little extra cash would sign anything thinking this was the stop on their job hop bus where they become a millionaire.
Some do. When I worked for 610, I had to sign a non-compete for 2 years. It was just to keep me from jumping ship to 810. I never really honored it tho, cause I started doing games for 810 varsity like a year later. I think they only act on it if you're a big deal, with a huge client list.
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so why dont sales companies put in non-competes into their new hires contracts? like for a year if someone leaves they cant work for these certain competitors? maybe im missing something? seems like someone who would be greedy enough to job hop for a little extra cash would sign anything thinking this was the stop on their job hop bus where they become a millionaire.
Some do. When I worked for 610, I had to sign a non-compete for 2 years. It was just to keep me from jumping ship to 810. I never really honored it tho, cause I started doing games for 810 varsity like a year later. I think they only act on it if you're a big deal, with a huge client list.
seems like a different situation. each only has 1 direct competitor and its a no brainer to put in a non-compete in their contracts.
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Enforcing non-competes is a huge pain in the ass. Maybe it's diff industry to industry. :dunno:
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They did the right thing yanking her trip.
:ROFL: I know you're usually right, but she's been bitching about this trip for over a month now. She could give two shits less. She didn't want to go.
And her current job is a sinking ship too. People rationalize lots of things
You don't think a card company that keeps laying off ppl at the drop of a hat is a sinking ship?
I've got a crazy notion that Hallmark will somehow not sink.
Well ya, I mean those are my words, not hers, but watching all your friends lose their jobs can be kinda scary. I mean, when it started going down like that at UOP, you bet your ass I was looking.
Maybe her friends suck at their jobs?
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Enforcing non-competes is a huge pain in the ass. Maybe it's diff industry to industry. :dunno:
well, yeah. eventually the courts will get involved to determine if the non-compete is fair and enforceable, but youd think that most of the time the battles would only come into play for high-level employees. it would be a decent scare tactic if you have a lot of job-hoppers at your company.
idk. not a contracts lawyer... im sure im oversimplifying it.
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I've heard non-competes don't hold up in court very well.
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I've heard non-competes don't hold up in court very well.
Depends. Huge stud lawyers can usually get them enforced.
But they are only worth a crap for high earners.
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So if herrsonwhatever gets hit by a bus tomorrow his company probably folds huh?
Whole place burns down, is how i'd imagine it.
Also, if you aren't actively being compensated by your former employer any longer, non-competes are essentially unenforceable. If you're still receiving severance, other compensation they can of course yank that and file suit for breach of contract. Or if you got a big pay out on separation, they can sue for that back. But like, if you part ways on even terms, they can't continue to hold a non-compete over you.
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Between hiring and training to replace me, every job I've been in has paid me out vacation and usually a bit of a premium to stick around a little longer. I factor it in when setting the start date for the new job and tell the old job that they are cutting into the time it will take me to move/whatever to a new town so I need some more money. Hasn't burnt any bridges and has generally worked out well.
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Ms. Wacky told her employer today about her decision. Her boss is freaking out. Her boss asked her how much the other company offered her! :lol: "Like, let me go to my boss and see if I can get you a raise" after giving her crappy 1% raises every year. I'm happy for her. She sounds really happy and I think she was really over that place.
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I wouldn't sign a non-compete for a sales position.
Sales people in my industry jump around a lot because the big money is in gaining new logos. If you have a few big clients, you can move to a new company and sell them a new product instead of an upsell or renewal of the product they already have.
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Ms. Wacky told her employer today about her decision. Her boss is freaking out. Her boss asked her how much the other company offered her! :lol: "Like, let me go to my boss and see if I can get you a raise" after giving her crappy 1% raises every year. I'm happy for her. She sounds really happy and I think she was really over that place.
the bigger question is why she didnt decide to leave sooner. if my employer gave me a 1% raise every year it better be because i make $500K a year.
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Ms. Wacky told her employer today about her decision. Her boss is freaking out. Her boss asked her how much the other company offered her! :lol: "Like, let me go to my boss and see if I can get you a raise" after giving her crappy 1% raises every year. I'm happy for her. She sounds really happy and I think she was really over that place.
the bigger question is why she didnt decide to leave sooner. if my employer gave me a 1% raise every year it better be because i make $500K a year.
I don't think she knew where to go. This new job is a perfect fit for her. She got a lot of experience through hallmark and liked the benefits, etc. She applied at this place like 2 months ago for another position and they followed up with her last week to see if she'd be interested in a senior marketing position. I thought that was pretty impressive that they kept her file.
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Ms. Wacky told her employer today about her decision. Her boss is freaking out. Her boss asked her how much the other company offered her! :lol: "Like, let me go to my boss and see if I can get you a raise" after giving her crappy 1% raises every year. I'm happy for her. She sounds really happy and I think she was really over that place.
the bigger question is why she didnt decide to leave sooner. if my employer gave me a 1% raise every year it better be because i make $500K a year.
I don't think she knew where to go. This new job is a perfect fit for her. She got a lot of experience through hallmark and liked the benefits, etc. She applied at this place like 2 months ago for another position and they followed up with her last week to see if she'd be interested in a senior marketing position. I thought that was pretty impressive that they kept her file.
Probably too lazy to start a new candidate search. :excited:
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:thumbs: :Woot:
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Ms. Wacky told her employer today about her decision. Her boss is freaking out. Her boss asked her how much the other company offered her! :lol: "Like, let me go to my boss and see if I can get you a raise" after giving her crappy 1% raises every year. I'm happy for her. She sounds really happy and I think she was really over that place.
the bigger question is why she didnt decide to leave sooner. if my employer gave me a 1% raise every year it better be because i make $500K a year.
I don't think she knew where to go. This new job is a perfect fit for her. She got a lot of experience through hallmark and liked the benefits, etc. She applied at this place like 2 months ago for another position and they followed up with her last week to see if she'd be interested in a senior marketing position. I thought that was pretty impressive that they kept her file.
A lot of companies have a longer hiring cycle than 2 months from application to offer anyway...
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A 1% raise is really insulting.
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A 1% raise is really insulting.
That's how she's been feeling, but when they're laying off like rapid fire, that doesn't really leave much room for negotiation.
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She makes it sound like the attitude there now is "you should be just happy you still have a job". Listen, I know Hallmark is a great company, but times are changing. They're not the monster that they once use to be.
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She makes it sound like the attitude there now is "you should be just happy you still have a job". Listen, I know Hallmark is a great company, but times are changing. They're not the monster that they once use to be.
Hallmark has 100 applicants for every job. People want to be there. If you are good at your job there, you will get nice raises consistently.
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She makes it sound like the attitude there now is "you should be just happy you still have a job". Listen, I know Hallmark is a great company, but times are changing. They're not the monster that they once use to be.
Thanks alot, eCards.
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Do you have a lot of friends there, limestone? I'm just curious. I know you work right next door. Maybe some stock? She wasn't a bad employee, she was there 9 years. Problem was, once they started cutting ppl in her department, they never hired on and just added to her plate with no incentive. I felt bad for her. I know ppl can exaggerate about their jobs/position, but I believe a lot of the stuff she says.
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***rick daris true story alert***
i was once employed by super hallmark competitor american greetings for a good seven or eight months.
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Yeah he does. I've been there too. I had to hand off a fatty auction item. :D
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Yeah he does. I've been there too. I had to hand off a fatty auction item. :D
So what was this in response to? are creepy people asking where I work?
I know some folks there, but that doesn't mean I have any interest in them. I just know they aren't failing.
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Yeah he does. I've been there too. I had to hand off a fatty auction item. :D
So what was this in response to? are creepy people asking where I work?
I know some folks there, but that doesn't mean I have any interest in them. I just know they aren't failing.
no. i made a bad cave joke but wacky insisted on being creepy.
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My company is splitting next year and I'll no longer be working for a Fortune Top 20 company. I guess I need to break the resume out.
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Yeah he does. I've been there too. I had to hand off a fatty auction item. :D
So what was this in response to? are creepy people asking where I work?
I know some folks there, but that doesn't mean I have any interest in them. I just know they aren't failing.
no. i made a bad cave joke but wacky insisted on being creepy.
I wasn't trying to be creepy. I was just jabbing along. :frown:
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Yeah he does. I've been there too. I had to hand off a fatty auction item. :D
So what was this in response to? are creepy people asking where I work?
I know some folks there, but that doesn't mean I have any interest in them. I just know they aren't failing.
I don't think they're failing, but they're definitely not growing.
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I am going to go buy a rough ridin' card just to eff with Wacky
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I am going to go buy a rough ridin' card just to eff with Wacky
:shakesfist: :curse:
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If I knew Ms. Wacky, I would send her a Hallmark card congratulating her on the new position.
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I never paid attention to what brand of card I was purchasing until I met her. Now I do it to stay out of trouble. :lol:
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audio NSFW
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:thumbs: Great movie!
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When punimrs put in her 2 weeks to quit her first grown up job, they escorted her out the next day but paid her out for the full 2 weeks. It was a dumb company and I think they were paranoid of sabotage.
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UOP does the samething. They just assume you're going to another school.
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A 1% raise is really insulting.
Unless bonuses are ridic, yeah.
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don't burn bridges
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