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Let the optimism spur :)
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Things to work on for next season
1) Make Free Throws
2) Win on the Road
3) Don't be stupid
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Things to work on for next season
1) Make Free Throws
2) Win on the Road
3) Don't be stupid
:thumbs:
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We should be pretty good next year. I'm thinking a 6 seed.
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I like watching Marcus Foster play basketball so I'm excited.
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Things to work on for next season
1) Make Free Throws
2) Win on the Road
3) Don't be stupid
#1 is rebounding.
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Things to work on for next season
1) Make Free Throws
2) Win on the Road
3) Don't be stupid
#1 is rebounding.
I'm guessing an increased height next year will help. But I may be a homer. At least I am not a tuck... :emawkid:
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Things to work on for next season
1) Make Free Throws
2) Win on the Road
3) Don't be stupid
#1 is rebounding.
I'm hoping that we can make something work with Westicles, Gipson, and Hurt in the lineup. I think that may help our rebounding a bit.
Westicles's going to need to get stronger and hit the boards harder, though.
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Things to work on for next season
1) Make Free Throws
2) Win on the Road
3) Don't be stupid
#1 is rebounding.
I'm hoping that we can make something work with Westicles, Gipson, and Hurt in the lineup. I think that may help our rebounding a bit.
Westicles's going to need to get stronger and hit the boards harder, though.
He also needs to hit the baskets and free throws harder...
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Next year will be fun
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Next year will be fun
I think so too. Better than this year. Its nice to return a guy who will likely be 1st team all Big 12.
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Next year will be fun
why?
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Next year will be fun
why?
We all look forward to a fifth place finish and being one and done... #loweredexpectations #poorbruce
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Next year will be fun
I think so too. Better than this year. Its nice to return a guy who will likely be 1st team all Big 12.
need a 2nd/3rd team caliber player next to him. who is that going to be?
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Next year will be fun
I think so too. Better than this year. Its nice to return a guy who will likely be 1st team all Big 12.
need a 2nd/3rd team caliber player next to him. who is that going to be?
Gip. Edwards. Westicles.
I could see any of those 3 honestly.
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Next year will be fun
why?
We all look forward to a fifth place finish and being one and done... #loweredexpectations #poorbruce
No. If next year is a repeat of this year I will be very disappointed. I don't think it will be.
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Guys we will be a top 3 big 12 team next year and go to the sweet 16z
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Next year will be fun
I think so too. Better than this year. Its nice to return a guy who will likely be 1st team all Big 12.
need a 2nd/3rd team caliber player next to him. who is that going to be?
I am personally hoping a big. :whistle1:
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I think we will have more fun but I think we will frequently wonder what in the hell happened to the good point guards we had for 6 years in a row.
Pullen, Clemente, Angel,
There is a chance that we will be hoping Clent Stewart and Sprads could take over point for us next year.
I haven't seen enough of Edwards to know for sure though.
I think Nigel and Jevon are still a year or two away from being good.
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Things to work on for next season
1) Make Free Throws
2) Win on the Road
3) Don't be stupid
#1 is rebounding.
I'm guessing an increased height next year will help. But I may be a homer. At least I am not a tuck... :emawkid:
I'm looking forward to a breakout season for tadowdaddy in '14-'15
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I'm mostly looking forward to the incoming players. This years worked out pretty damn well. Will it happen again!?
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To have a significantly better season we need a couple of our players to make a pretty big leap in their 3pt%, Edwards needs to be at least a solid contributor, and we need one of the incoming bigs to be a legitimate Big XII starter. It's not like that's impossible, but it's also not a guarantee.
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Westicles dunked on two Kentucky players at the same time. That was nice.
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I think we will have more fun but I think we will frequently wonder what in the hell happened to the good point guards we had for 6 years in a row.
Pullen, Clemente, Angel,
There is a chance that we will be hoping Clent Stewart and Sprads could take over point for us next year.
I haven't seen enough of Edwards to know for sure though.
I think Nigel and Jevon are still a year or two away from being good.
One of Nigel or Jevon will have to step up.
Foster could play 1, I think, but that leaves no one at the 2.
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To have a significantly better season we need a couple of our players to make a pretty big leap in their 3pt%, Edwards needs to be at least a solid contributor, and we need one of the incoming bigs to be a legitimate Big XII starter. It's not like that's impossible, but it's also not a guarantee.
I agree with all that. I tend to be an optimist.
Still, I will be disappointed with no improvement over this year. oscar returns his all league player, now go build around the best freshman in this program since Beasley.
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Things to work on for next season
1) Make Free Throws
2) Win on the Road
3) Don't be stupid
#1 is rebounding.
cant coach height
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We will be good next year, JT and Nigel will be much better next year.
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We will be good next year, JT and Nigel will be much better next year.
I think that's pretty much a lock.
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We will be good next year, JT and Nigel will be much better next year.
I think that's pretty much a lock.
Who do you think will improve more? I'd say Thomas just because his shooting was so bad, but I'm more excited to see what Nigel does, I think he has more upside, which I never thought I would be saying at the mid point of the conference season.
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Gip is going to be a monster. Like, a 13 & 10 type dude. Srs.
Edit: Ok, maybe a 13 & 8 type dude.
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We will be good next year, JT and Nigel will be much better next year.
I think that's pretty much a lock.
Who do you think will improve more? I'd say Thomas just because his shooting was so bad, but I'm more excited to see what Nigel does, I think he has more upside, which I never thought I would be saying at the mid point of the conference season.
I don't have any idea who will improve more, I think Thomas has the higher ceiling, but that doesn't necessarily mean he will improve more. They will both be appreciably better next year though, which means our point guard position will be appreciably better.
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Will have depth at every position, which is very nice
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Things to work on for next season
1) Make Free Throws
2) Win on the Road
3) Don't be stupid
#1 is rebounding.
Playing a little bigger at the 4/5 spots will help. Edwards is also a good rebounding guard.
#2 for me is TOs. We need to cut down on few of our careless TOs ourselves and force a few more by way of steals. We ave having about 1 more TO per game than our opp in league play. Be nice to be +2-2.5 next year. ( so roughly +3or4% in TO%)
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Will have depth at every position, which is very nice
I'm not sure we have a starter at PG, much less depth. Then again, not sure we did this year either
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Things to work on for next season
1) Make Free Throws
2) Win on the Road
3) Don't be stupid
Things to work on for next season
1) Be better than just ok.
2) Dunk shots
3) I guess don't be stupid too
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Edwards and Hurt will really change the look of the team. We'll be a better rebounding team and a couple of guys that are on the team now can go to their more natural positions.
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This should be our line up walking out next year,
G Edwards 6'4
G Foster 6'2
F Westicles 6'7
F Gipson 6'7
F Bolden 6'11
With the added height we should be better in the area's we need to be better in! We also add depth in Hurt, JT, N Johnson, D Johnson, and Nino, that's a legit 10 deep bench, compared to the no one of 6'7 on the team line up we ran out with this year. We got hurt when we could not stop bigs! For me it's all :ksu: next year!
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This should be our line up walking out next year,
G Edwards 6'4
G Foster 6'2
F Westicles 6'7
F Gipson 6'7
F Bolden 6'11
With the added height we should be better in the area's we need to be better in! We also add depth in Hurt, JT, N Johnson, D Johnson, and Nino, that's a legit 10 deep bench, compared to the no one of 6'7 on the team line up we ran out with this year. We got hurt when we could not stop bigs! For me it's all :ksu: next year!
It will be interesting. I think we might see that line-up, but I doubt we'll see Edwards/Foster without another guard (Jevon or Nigel) on the floor.
My guess (variations/line up options):
PG Jevon/Nigel
SG Foster/Nigel/Edwards
SF Edwards/Westicles
SF Nino/Hurt/Gip
PF Gip/DJamer/Bolden
OR
Jevon/Nigel
Foster/Nigel/Edwards
Edwards/Westicles
Gip/Nino/Hurt
DJamer/Bolden
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jevon isn't starting lol
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This should be our line up walking out next year,
G Edwards 6'4
G Foster 6'2
F Westicles 6'7
F Gipson 6'7
F Bolden 6'11
With the added height we should be better in the area's we need to be better in! We also add depth in Hurt, JT, N Johnson, D Johnson, and Nino, that's a legit 10 deep bench, compared to the no one of 6'7 on the team line up we ran out with this year. We got hurt when we could not stop bigs! For me it's all :ksu: next year!
I would be super surprised if that was our starting 5
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This should be our line up walking out next year,
G Edwards 6'4
G Foster 6'2
F Westicles 6'7
F Gipson 6'7
F Bolden 6'11
With the added height we should be better in the area's we need to be better in! We also add depth in Hurt, JT, N Johnson, D Johnson, and Nino, that's a legit 10 deep bench, compared to the no one of 6'7 on the team line up we ran out with this year. We got hurt when we could not stop bigs! For me it's all :ksu: next year!
I would be super surprised if that was our starting 5
What would you change, I'm not sold on that, but I thought it was the best talent, combo we could put out there to compete in the league.
Not saying I'm right with my 5 but curious what others think?
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JT or Nigel will start also if we start 2 bigs it will be Hurt or DJamer not Bolden
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JT or Nigel will start also if we start 2 bigs it will be Hurt or DJamer not Bolden
Where does Edwards fit into this? I'm a huge Edwards fan, do we go
JT/Nigel
Foster
Edwards
Westicles
Gipson ?
Either way I'm excited about the depth at all positions next year!
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JT or Nigel will start also if we start 2 bigs it will be Hurt or DJamer not Bolden
Where does Edwards fit into this? I'm a huge Edwards fan, do we go
JT/Nigel
Foster
Edwards
Westicles
Gipson ?
Either way I'm excited about the depth at all positions next year!
I'm not sure about Edwards, but Foster seems to like him: http://powercatgameday.com/cats-suffocated-kentucky/ (first video)
Honestly, in my opinion the best player on our team next year is going to be Hopper the transfer from Maine. You know he's been in the gym working hard and I feel he's going to be our best player and our leading scorer next year honestly.
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This should be our line up walking out next year,
G Edwards 6'4
G Foster 6'2
F Westicles 6'7
F Gipson 6'7
F Bolden 6'11
With the added height we should be better in the area's we need to be better in! We also add depth in Hurt, JT, N Johnson, D Johnson, and Nino, that's a legit 10 deep bench, compared to the no one of 6'7 on the team line up we ran out with this year. We got hurt when we could not stop bigs! For me it's all :ksu: next year!
It will be interesting. I think we might see that line-up, but I doubt we'll see Edwards/Foster without another guard (Jevon or Nigel) on the floor.
My guess (variations/line up options):
PG Jevon/Nigel
SG Foster/Nigel/Edwards
SF Edwards/Westicles
SF Nino/Hurt/Gip
PF Gip/DJamer/Bolden
OR
Jevon/Nigel
Foster/Nigel/Edwards
Edwards/Westicles
Gip/Nino/Hurt
DJamer/Bolden
My guess is:
Jevon/Nigel
Foster/Nigel/Edwards
Edwards/Westicles
Westicles/Nino/Gip
Gipson/Hurt/DJamer/Bolden
I just don't see them scaling back on Westicles's minutes.
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I just don't see them scaling back on Westicles's minutes.
Yes, I really like his upside if he makes even decent improvements to his game. I think he can be an All Big 12 player by the time he's done.
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haven't been more meh for years and years.
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Edwards would still get a lot of minutes if he was the guy right behind Foster and Wes.
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1 Nigel 25min JT 15 min
2 Foster 30min 10 min Edwards/Nigel
3 Edwards 20min Westicles 15 min
4 Westicles 15min Nino/DJamer/Hurt/Gip 25min
5 Gip 25 min Bolden/DJamer/Hurt 15min
1- I don't see oscar handing PG duties over to Marcus or foregoing a point with two on the team that he recruited.
2- Foster is here, but could also be used at the 1 in a pinch, Edwards and Westicles could get minutes here to help out the logjam at F
3- Edwards will be the 3rd G on the floor most of the time
4- Westicles Westicles will take some time at the 3 but mostly take over the Shane Southwell role here, Will be interesting to see how Nino survives this and if Westicles/Edwards are competing for more time at the 3 and oscar goes bigger
5- Gip will play a lot of minutes, but oscar will probably make an early sub and give Gip breaks in/out of media timeouts with the rest of the guys. I think DJamer gets left behind here and Bolden/Hurt split most of the minutes
+ Min. (2013-14) KK Projection
Nigel (14 min) 25
Foster (30) 33-35
Westicles (24) 25+
Gip (26) 26+
Newcomers
Edwards 18-20min
Bolden 10-15min
Hurt 10-15min
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Nino (16) 12-14
DJamer (14) 10
Thomas (16) 15
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I've been very impressed with Nigel's speed and quickness when I've seen him play.
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JT or Nigel will start also if we start 2 bigs it will be Hurt or DJamer not Bolden
Where does Edwards fit into this? I'm a huge Edwards fan, do we go
JT/Nigel
Foster
Edwards
Westicles
Gipson ?
Either way I'm excited about the depth at all positions next year!
I'm not sure about Edwards, but Foster seems to like him: http://powercatgameday.com/cats-suffocated-kentucky/ (first video)
Honestly, in my opinion the best player on our team next year is going to be Hopper the transfer from Maine. You know he's been in the gym working hard and I feel he's going to be our best player and our leading scorer next year honestly.
Heard multiple times from guy with A+(he says) source(staff member, allegedly) that Bolden and Edwards are clearly the best on the team, hearing Marcus say this improves my confidence in those reports.
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I've been very impressed with Nigel's speed and quickness when I've seen him play.
I was surprised how much Greg Anthony talked up his defense.
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JT or Nigel will start also if we start 2 bigs it will be Hurt or DJamer not Bolden
Where does Edwards fit into this? I'm a huge Edwards fan, do we go
JT/Nigel
Foster
Edwards
Westicles
Gipson ?
Either way I'm excited about the depth at all positions next year!
I'm not sure about Edwards, but Foster seems to like him: http://powercatgameday.com/cats-suffocated-kentucky/ (first video)
Honestly, in my opinion the best player on our team next year is going to be Hopper the transfer from Maine. You know he's been in the gym working hard and I feel he's going to be our best player and our leading scorer next year honestly.
Heard multiple times from guy with A+(he says) source(staff member, allegedly) that Bolden and Edwards are clearly the best on the team, hearing Marcus say this improves my confidence in those reports.
well shane once said that jevon reminded him of russell westbrook so...
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where is all this Bolden is going to be real good talk coming from?
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where is all this Bolden is going to be real good talk coming from?
One time a guy on gopo said that he was at a practice and Edwards/Bolden were the two best players on the team. That's the only time I've actually seen a source attached to this scuttlebutt.
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I don't really see Westicles playing the stretch 4. He will always be a 3 imo, especially with the depth we'll have down low next year. Like someone previously said, DJamer or Hurt will start at the 5.
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Just losing will will make us a lot better #additionbysubtraction
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I've been very impressed with Nigel's speed and quickness when I've seen him play.
I was surprised how much Greg Anthony talked up his defense.
actually, that was me that talked up his defense.
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so when do Hurt and Edwards get on campus, and when is the first look the media gets at the new team practicing together?
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so when do Hurt and Edwards get on campus, and when is the first look the media gets at the new team practicing together?
Edwards has been here since last summer. Hurt will likely get here in June. The media won't get a look at practice until October.
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JT or Nigel will start also if we start 2 bigs it will be Hurt or DJamer not Bolden
Where does Edwards fit into this? I'm a huge Edwards fan, do we go
JT/Nigel
Foster
Edwards
Westicles
Gipson ?
Either way I'm excited about the depth at all positions next year!
I'm not sure about Edwards, but Foster seems to like him: http://powercatgameday.com/cats-suffocated-kentucky/ (first video)
Honestly, in my opinion the best player on our team next year is going to be Hopper the transfer from Maine. You know he's been in the gym working hard and I feel he's going to be our best player and our leading scorer next year honestly.
Heard multiple times from guy with A+(he says) source(staff member, allegedly) that Bolden and Edwards are clearly the best on the team, hearing Marcus say this improves my confidence in those reports.
Have not heard over the top reviews about Bolden, but the staff still loves Jeveon because they are not stupid. Adding the four pieces of Edwards, Bolden, Jevon (up to speed) and Hurt (staff loves him) should makes us real salty. Not getting in to the top 20 would be a failure of a season.
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so when do Hurt and Edwards get on campus, and when is the first look the media gets at the new team practicing together?
Edwards has been here since last summer. Hurt will likely get here in June. The media won't get a look at practice until October.
woah brain fart! i totally meant Hurt and Harris :facepalm:
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how many minutes will jack krap get next year, you guys? :Ugh:
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how many minutes will jack krap get next year, you guys? :Ugh:
Jack Krap needs to get Bruced and bring in a project big/red shirt with some upside that Jack doesn't have. I love Nino, but he shouldn't see the floor next year. Gip actually having a 4 guard him instead of the 7 footer's will be huge. Starting 5 might be Nigel, Foster, Edwards, Gip, Bolden/Hurt. Westicles may be coming off the bench.
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how many minutes will jack krap get next year, you guys? :Ugh:
Jack Krap needs to get Bruced and bring in a project big/red shirt with some upside that Jack doesn't have. I love Nino, but he shouldn't see the floor next year. Gip actually having a 4 guard him instead of the 7 footer's will be huge. Starting 5 might be Nigel, Foster, Edwards, Gip, Bolden/Hurt. Westicles may be coming off the bench.
I am with you on oscar needing to bring a project big - I want him to kick around Wisconsin and find one of the 6-8+ shooters Bo Ryan always has.
I am not sure we see much of two real bigs together unless Hurt is a legit shooter from 3, I recall it looking pretty ugly when Gip and JO played together.
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man we need to work on our free throws if we wanna win. like, practice them all summer and stuff. free throws win games. fundamentals = free throws.
free throws.
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how many minutes will jack krap get next year, you guys? :Ugh:
Jack Krap needs to get Bruced and bring in a project big/red shirt with some upside that Jack doesn't have. I love Nino, but he shouldn't see the floor next year. Gip actually having a 4 guard him instead of the 7 footer's will be huge. Starting 5 might be Nigel, Foster, Edwards, Gip, Bolden/Hurt. Westicles may be coming off the bench.
I am with you on oscar needing to bring a project big - I want him to kick around Wisconsin and find one of the 6-8+ shooters Bo Ryan always has.
I am not sure we see much of two real bigs together unless Hurt is a legit shooter from 3, I recall it looking pretty ugly when Gip and JO played together.
I don't think Westicles can play the 4 and gaurd a 4. That is why Southwell got benched late because he couldn't guard the 4. That means you would have to start Nino over Bolden or Hurt and that just doesn't make any sense.
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man you guys every year we go through this same ksu cats freshman stud thing where we think a recruit is awesome and will start and turns out he actually kinda sucks and wont hardly play. see jevon Thomas this year. we thought he was going to be the next big thing when we got him for b12 play.
none of the new guys will start next year.
starting 5-
nigel, foster, wes, nino, gip.
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man you guys every year we go through this same ksu cats freshman stud thing where we think a recruit is awesome and will start and turns out he actually kinda sucks and wont hardly play. see jevon Thomas this year. we thought he was going to be the next big thing when we got him for b12 play.
none of the new guys will start next year.
starting 5-
nigel, foster, wes, nino, gip.
Then don't expect any different season than this year.
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getting excited for some 3 star freshman or juco transfer guy to start and make a huge difference is such a kstate thing. wake up. we recruit decent players who will stay 4 years and be experienced guys for b12 play/ncaa tourney. sure, marcus foster was a 3 star freshman who made a big difference this year, but don't expect that every year.
if any of those new guys start it will be because we are much worse than last year.
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man you guys every year we go through this same ksu cats freshman stud thing where we think a recruit is awesome and will start and turns out he actually kinda sucks and wont hardly play. see jevon Thomas this year. we thought he was going to be the next big thing when we got him for b12 play.
none of the new guys will start next year.
starting 5-
nigel, foster, wes, nino, gip.
I agree on the Wes, Nino and Gip as the front court oscar will trust the most. I really want Wes to become more of 3 pt threat and I wouldn't mind it if Nino rediscovered that part of his game.
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We've seen how playing undersized with Gip as your center and Nino at the 4 works. Could it get us to the tournament? Yes. Will it win the BigVII or a tournament game? No. Have to have a rim protector on the floor. Plain and simple.
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yeah that's awesome and stuff and id love to win the Big 7 next year with a super awesome rim protector but the guys we have will most likely suck or not be able to work offensively or suck with gip on the floor. we don't have a guy like youre talking about.
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I think Edwards might be good enough to start.
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By rim protector I mean someone that is over 6-7 and has better than a 12" verticle.
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I think either Bolden or Hurt will work out. At least, I'm optimistic, but you guys already know that.
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yeah that's awesome and stuff and id love to win the Big 7 next year with a super awesome rim protector but the guys we have will most likely suck or not be able to work offensively or suck with gip on the floor. we don't have a guy like youre talking about.
I didn't get that Big XII fixed before you caught it. :facepalm:
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well, don't be. we have essentially the same team as last year except hopefully nigel/foster/wundy get better. expect middle of the pack B12 (7??) again. be happy with that. hopefully the year after we can plug in some of these guys down low and they will make a difference. but LOL that they'll start let alone play more than 5 minutes a game with DJamer/Gip on the team.
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I don't know, man.
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Lol at anyone that thinks Nigel is a shoo-in to start at PG, mostly likely Jevon and Nigel are going to spilt even minutes.
1. Jevon/Nigel
2. Marcus / Edwards / Nigel / Harris(3pt Specialist)
3. Edwards / Westicles
4. Gip / Bolden (Defensive 5, has a nice medium range jumper)
5. Hurt / DJamer
Play small with Nino and Westicles.
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Lol at anyone that thinks Nigel is a shoo-in to start at PG, mostly likely Jevon and Nigel are going to spilt even minutes.
1. Jevon/Nigel
2. Marcus / Edwards / Nigel / Harris(3pt Specialist)
3. Edwards / Westicles
4. Gip / Bolden (Defensive 5, has a nice medium range jumper)
5. Hurt / DJamer
Play small with Nino and Westicles.
The 4/5 are pretty much the same. Alot is needed from Hurt and Bolden. Bolden needs like 40 more lbs tho.
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Lol at anyone that thinks Nigel is a shoo-in to start at PG, mostly likely Jevon and Nigel are going to spilt even minutes.
1. Jevon/Nigel
2. Marcus / Edwards / Nigel / Harris(3pt Specialist)
3. Edwards / Westicles
4. Gip / Bolden (Defensive 5, has a nice medium range jumper)
5. Hurt / DJamer
Play small with Nino and Westicles.
He 4/5 are pretty much the same. Alot is needed from Hurt and Bolden. Bolden needs like 40 more lbs tho.
Bolden is lucky DJamer and Gip are thick.
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Lol at anyone that thinks Nigel is a shoo-in to start at PG, mostly likely Jevon and Nigel are going to spilt even minutes.
highly doubt it. they didn't split even minutes at the end of this season and jevon is a total liability. nigel at least showed some upside.
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Lol at anyone that thinks Nigel is a shoo-in to start at PG, mostly likely Jevon and Nigel are going to spilt even minutes.
highly doubt it. they didn't split even minutes at the end of this season and Jevon is a total liability. nigel at least showed some upside.
Jevon only had a 1/5th of the practice time. Individuals will really help Jevon out. Jevon's ceiling is a lot higher then the rest of the freshmen. Nigel will end up being a combo guard in the future.
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You don't have to go far to find who Jevon compares to and he is going to end up being better.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jevon-thomas&chester-frazier=2005-2006&p1=chester-frazier (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jevon-thomas&chester-frazier=2005-2006&p1=chester-frazier)
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You don't have to go far to find who Jevon compares to and he is going to end up being better.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jevon-thomas&chester-frazier=2005-2006&p1=chester-frazier (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jevon-thomas&chester-frazier=2005-2006&p1=chester-frazier)
looks more like 95 to me.
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Tonya Harding, your pessimism is off the charts.....even for my standards.....so be quiet
oscar has said multiple times that we needed more height this year, which was obvious. So, I think he will do anything he can to get the 2 new guys (Hurt and Bolden) on the court and give them every opportunity to earn a spot. They may not start at the beginning of the year, but by conference one could be. Otherwise, you plan on starting Gip and Nino like we had to at the end of the year and that's not good.
Also, I don't see how Wesley does not start somewhere.....
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I haven't been this pumped about the big man sitch since November 2010 -- Asprilla, JO, Wally, Curt, Jamar, Potuzak, Nino. We were stacked from one end to the other with elite post talent.
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I haven't been this pumped about the big man sitch since November 2010 -- Asprilla, JO, Wally, Curt, Jamar, Potuzak, Nino. We were stacked from one end to the other with elite post talent.
Potuzak, Hell yea
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Lol at anyone that thinks Nigel is a shoo-in to start at PG, mostly likely Jevon and Nigel are going to spilt even minutes.
1. Jevon/Nigel
2. Marcus / Edwards / Nigel / Harris(3pt Specialist)
3. Edwards / Westicles
4. Gip / Bolden (Defensive 5, has a nice medium range jumper)
5. Hurt / DJamer
Play small with Nino and Westicles.
I for one don't think Jevon and Nigel are going to combine for 40 minutes. Right now I would say 30. That gives 90 minutes for Foster--Edwards-- Westicles. We can find someone that can bring the ball up the court for the roughly 10 minutes we don't have a true PG. I have already said I think Edwards is gonna be good and I think he will be 1 of the top 12 players in the Big12 next year. Right now I am not convinced we play Westicles at the 4 very much or at all and IMO 80 minutes is not enough for MF/JE/WI.
If Hurt is the better of the 2 big men who did not play this year... then I think starting him with Gip would be best. Id like it if we didn't have Gip and Nino on the floor much together, but that doesn't meen it cant and wont happen. I think Gip will get roughly 27-28 minutes. The other 52-53 minutes will be up for grabs.
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Man, what if, Edwards can handle the rock fairly well? He is known as a slasher w/ great athletic ability.
What if, he took over some of the pg duties....he would be a bigger pg that could use his height and strength and athleticism to drive and penetrate and I can envision lobs to Hurt/Boldon for monster dunks? (sorry, no lobs to Gib, cause I think he struggles to jump)
Pg: Edwards/Thomas
Sg: Foster/Nigel
Sf: Westicles/Edwards
Pf: Gip/Nino
C: Hurt/Boldon
:emawkid:
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C: Hurt/Boldon
this won't happen. gip is playing 5 because he is a grown ass man who has done it for 3 years in the big 12. were not starting some juco/transfer guys in their first year over a former B12 HM player who averaged like 15 points a game the year before.
yeah, itd be nice, but it wont happen.
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sure, it sounds pessimistic but I think its just more realistic. the big men are going to need a lot more work to get time than the guards are. Edwards and jevon have a greater chance of starting or playing big minutes. nino and gip are seniors and will play most of the minutes.
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Man, what if, Edwards can handle the rock fairly well? He is known as a slasher w/ great athletic ability.
What if, he took over some of the pg duties....he would be a bigger pg that could use his height and strength and athleticism to drive and penetrate and I can envision lobs to Hurt/Boldon for monster dunks? (sorry, no lobs to Gib, cause I think he struggles to jump)
I'm thinking that Hurt/Bolden/Foster/Westicles will get a pretty even ratio of monster alley-oop dunks.
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I'm not sure he's a lob guy, but I don't think "struggles to jump" describes the new slimmer Gip at all. Gip dunked a lot this year. A lot.
I will be disappointed if Gip isn't at least All Big 12 2nd team next year.
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I'm not sure he's a lob guy, but I don't think "struggles to jump" describes the new slimmer Gip at all. Gip dunked a lot this year. A lot.
I will be disappointed if Gip isn't at least All Big 12 2nd team next year.
I can't remember many alley-oop dunks for Gip this year. More of jump off of two feet and crush the rim type of dunk. Good for lots of fistpump moments
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really don't get all the replacing gip talk. hes by far our most valuable player.
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really don't get all the replacing gip talk. hes by far our most valuable player.
No, Foster. Gip is a fairly close 2nd.
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I know he didn't do much at Gtown, but just look at the teams/coaches that wanted Bolden. :love:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/georgetown/basketball/recruiting/player-Brandon-Bolden-104704
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really don't get all the replacing gip talk. hes by far our most valuable player.
No, Foster. Gip is a fairly close 2nd.
Gip is clearly 2nd, but I'm not sure if I would say he's fairly close. Foster is just insanely good.
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really don't get all the replacing gip talk. hes by far our most valuable player.
No, Foster. Gip is a fairly close 2nd.
Gip is clearly 2nd, but I'm not sure if I would say he's fairly close. Foster is just insanely good.
An outside scorer and and inside scorer need each other IMO.
I agree that Foster is really good.
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ok, theyre interchangeably our most valuable players. still don't get why people would want to take touches away from him for some 180 lb 6'10" guy whos never played a big 12 game before. because gip doesn't block 4 shots a game? gmafb. we had the best defense in the big 12 this year without a shot blocker.
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pretty sure Bolden's highlight vid included multiple missed FTs. hope it was just bad editing
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Man, what if, Edwards can handle the rock fairly well? He is known as a slasher w/ great athletic ability.
What if, he took over some of the pg duties....he would be a bigger pg that could use his height and strength and athleticism to drive and penetrate and I can envision lobs to Hurt/Boldon for monster dunks? (sorry, no lobs to Gib, cause I think he struggles to jump)
I'm thinking that Hurt/Bolden/Foster/Westicles will get a pretty even ratio of monster alley-oop dunks.
Does anyone remember the dunking glory of FGCU last year on their cinderella run? I foresee a lot of that. :excited:
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ok, theyre interchangeably our most valuable players. still don't get why people would want to take touches away from him for some 180 lb 6'10" guy whos never played a big 12 game before. because gip doesn't block 4 shots a game? gmafb. we had the best defense in the big 12 this year without a shot blocker.
I don't think anyone is saying take touches away from Gip. He just needs to be moved to the 4 and take touches from Nino. Keeping Gip from having to guard guys like Embiid will help keep him out of foul trouble. You can always go back to the small lineup if needed. Gip would be better on the block with a 4 guarding him than the 5's anyway and Gip can hit the same mid range jump shot that Nino does. Plus your rebounding gets better with Bolden/Hurt instead of Nino.
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Man, what if, Edwards can handle the rock fairly well? He is known as a slasher w/ great athletic ability.
What if, he took over some of the pg duties....he would be a bigger pg that could use his height and strength and athleticism to drive and penetrate and I can envision lobs to Hurt/Boldon for monster dunks? (sorry, no lobs to Gib, cause I think he struggles to jump)
I'm thinking that Hurt/Bolden/Foster/Westicles will get a pretty even ratio of monster alley-oop dunks.
Does anyone remember the dunking glory of FGCU last year on their cinderella run? I foresee a lot of that. :excited:
Oh yeah! What did they call it again? Dunktown? Dunkburg? Dunkville? Something of that?
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Dunk City.
We could have Dunkhattan.
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Dunk City.
We could have Dunkhattan.
I'd go ahead an TM that now before it ends up on a t-shirt next January. :th_twocents:
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Dunk City.
We could have Dunkhattan.
I'd go ahead an TM that now before it ends up on a t-shirt next January. :th_twocents:
Spreadshirt :excited:
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Dunk City.
We could have Dunkhattan.
Mandunkan?
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I really hope we're better at scoring in transition next year. We screwed up a lot of easy points this year.
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Dunk City.
We could have Dunkhattan.
Mandunkan?
Broops Weber.
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I really hope we're better at scoring in transition next year. We screwed up a lot of easy points this year.
That has a lot to do with PG play.
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The Little Dunkel <--- almost like apple but just like the dark beer since we love beer as well as dunks.
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ornate dunk turtle
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and it's a picture of the turtle dunking two hands from the free throw line. you can tell he went from the FT line because of a -------- line from the FT line to his current position hanging from the rim. he has a headband.
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also sleeve tats
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The Dunkflower State
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fep.yimg.com%2Fca%2FI%2Fyhst-17613664752933_2268_14091623&hash=7bc169c305810f0ec5b398c86089f5756025ac54)
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dunkowlark. can just use a picture of a jayhawk dunking and change the colors to typical meadowlark colors with a cats jersey. saves money.
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manhatdunktan
picture of dunkin donuts except its got a basketball on it and also johnny kaw
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^ TM mother fuckers. my idea.
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I really hope we're better at scoring in transition next year. We screwed up a lot of easy points this year.
Nigel, Jevon, Edwards and Bolden's Athleticism should help us get and convert in transition.
Big thing is our defense can become elite. Nigel and Jevon are going to be far better at the point of attack then Marcus and Will were this year and we are going to add a back stop in Hurt and Bolden. Then shifting Gip and DJamer to the 4 should help us close off possession with defensive rebounding.
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dunkowlark. can just use a picture of a jayhawk dunking and change the colors to typical meadowlark colors with a cats jersey. saves money.
This is perfect.
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dunkowlark. can just use a picture of a jayhawk dunking and change the colors to typical meadowlark colors with a cats jersey. saves money.
:lol:
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dunkwood tree with peach basket nailed to it (broken cause it got dunked on)
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What do you guys think?
PG
1. Nigel Johnson
2. Jevon Thomas
SG
1. Marcus Foster
2. Hopper
3. Tre Harris
SF
1. Wes Westicles
2. Malek Harris
3. Nino Williams
PF
1. Thomas Gipson
2. Nino Williams
3. DJamer
C
1. Big Meat
2. DJamer
2. Brandon Bolden
If we went with a small line up maybe johnson, foster, edwards, Westicles @ the 4, gipson?
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Is there a thing of having too many good players? I mean, sharing PT is going to be rough.
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Foster, Edwards, Westicles, Harris, Hurt
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Yeah guys, gip is going to start. So you might want to refresh those predictos.
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Is there a thing of having too many good players? I mean, sharing PT is going to be rough.
I was thinking the same thing, it's going to be interesting to see how oscar manages all the superstar egos on this team that come with the sheer volume of talent. Good problem to have I suppose.
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Yeah, Gip is for sure starting, the big question is will it be at the 4 or the 5.
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Yeah guys, gip is going to start. So you might want to refresh those predictos.
Gip and Foster are definitive starters IMO. After those 2 there are tons of possibilities. I'd say Edwards could probably be penciled in. Then Jevon or Nigel. Then whoever wins the final spot as a big. (I'm assuming a move away form the dual swing line-up, though not completely, and more of 2 bigs)
Then again, its hard to say Westicles or Harris (if he's immediate impact 4 star) not starting. It seems like we have a decent amount of talent to work with.
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The combination of lineups we can have on the floor is pretty endless since the only players that can only play one position are Jevon at PG and DJamer at C.
Biggest lineup: Edwards, Westicles, Harris, Hurt, Bolden
Smallest lineup: Jevon, Nigel, Foster, Nino, Gip
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Jesus, I just had a brain fart and forgot we still had Nino. I mean, MY GOD YOU GUYS! :ksu: We are stacked, like, double D's stacked. :love:
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the depth is fun to look at. my word.
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PG
1A. Jevon Thomas
1B. Nigel Johnson
2. Marcus Foster
SG
1. Marcus Foster
2. Hopper
3. Nigel Johnson
4. Tre Harris
SF
1A. Hopper
1B. Wes Westicles
3. Trey Harris
4. Malek Harris
PF
1. Thomas Gipson
2. Nino Williams
3. Malek Harris
4. DJamer
5. Jack Karp aka TBD
C
1A. Big Meat
1B.. Brandon Bolden
2. DJamer
3. Thomas Gipson
Going to be a dog fight for the starting PG position, Nigel can play some combo at the 2 because he can really shoot the ball, I expect him to show cases that next year. Jevon is the more natural PG.
The 2 and 3 is going to be a rotation of Marcus, Edwards and Wes splitting almost of of the minutes. This is the strength of our team but we don't have great depth.
The four is locked up by Gip, it is his team and frankly the next 2 best post players are going to be Hurt and Bolden. There is a good chance Malek is our best defender against stretch 4s and earns minutes that way. We are so deep at the 4 and 5.
Would love to see Jacks scholarship be given to someone that can really score the ball.
On paper oscar and his staff have really put together a nice roster.
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Smallest lineup: Jevon, Nigel, Foster, Nino, Gip
:lol: we ran this last year,
Hell we ran Wes and Nino at points.
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the depth is fun to look at. my word.
lol are we looking at the same depth chart? weve got a C (I still stand by the point that we won't play any of these guys more than 10 min a game and Gip will play 5 for most of the time) position with 0 minutes played and a PG position with 2 guys at the top who averaged a combined 29 mpg and 3 points. its just full of young unproven guys, theres nothing to look at.
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the depth is fun to look at. my word.
lol are we looking at the same depth chart? weve got a C (I still stand by the point that we won't play any of these guys more than 10 min a game and Gip will play 5 for most of the time) position with 0 minutes played and a PG position with 2 guys at the top who averaged a combined 29 mpg and 3 points. its just full of young unproven guys, theres nothing to look at.
hey you know what i see Tonya? like, 8 guys with experience that we know are pretty good and like, 3-4 more guys that we have reason to be optimistic about. so like, it's better than usual, ya know.
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the depth is fun to look at. my word.
lol are we looking at the same depth chart? weve got a C (I still stand by the point that we won't play any of these guys more than 10 min a game and Gip will play 5 for most of the time) position with 0 minutes played and a PG position with 2 guys at the top who averaged a combined 29 mpg and 3 points. its just full of young unproven guys, theres nothing to look at.
Bolden had been with the team for a year, Hurt is more of a wildcard but has already has had success at the D1 level against high major programs. Gip is also going to have to play with someone.
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the depth is fun to look at. my word.
lol are we looking at the same depth chart? weve got a C (I still stand by the point that we won't play any of these guys more than 10 min a game and Gip will play 5 for most of the time) position with 0 minutes played and a PG position with 2 guys at the top who averaged a combined 29 mpg and 3 points. its just full of young unproven guys, theres nothing to look at.
hey you know what i see Tonya? like, 8 guys with experience that we know are pretty good and like, 3-4 more guys that we have reason to be optimistic about. so like, it's better than usual, ya know.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2306/year/2009/kansas-state-wildcats (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2306/year/2009/kansas-state-wildcats)
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are you predicting NIT for the 14-15 cats?
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It seems pretty rational to compare a frontcourt of Gip, Hurt, Bolden, and DJamer to Lu, DK, Jamar as a freshman, and Ron Ron.
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the depth is fun to look at. my word.
lol are we looking at the same depth chart? weve got a C (I still stand by the point that we won't play any of these guys more than 10 min a game and Gip will play 5 for most of the time) position with 0 minutes played and a PG position with 2 guys at the top who averaged a combined 29 mpg and 3 points. its just full of young unproven guys, theres nothing to look at.
hey you know what i see Tonya? like, 8 guys with experience that we know are pretty good and like, 3-4 more guys that we have reason to be optimistic about. so like, it's better than usual, ya know.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2306/year/2009/kansas-state-wildcats (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2306/year/2009/kansas-state-wildcats)
So Will was Michael Beasley, Shane was bill walker and Jack Krap starts as Darren Kent this upcoming season. :thumbsup: Got it!
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I say you start Nigel, Foster, Edwards, Gip, HUrt/DJamer for the slow game, lull the other team to sleep and then bring in Jevon, Bolden, Westicles, Nino, Harris and run them out of the gym. :excited:
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Poor DJamer is done for. :frown:
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We a diversity of skills and type of players, this is important when building a roster. One of Scott Drews problem is he a has a roster of the exact same type of players. I do think he getting better at it.
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I don't think it's far fetched to expect Foster to look similar to Nik Stauskas this year. If you could only look at Foster's numbers from the second half of the season it'd be even closer to Stauskas' numbers:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=nik-stauskas&nik-stauskas=career&p1=marcus-foster
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the depth is fun to look at. my word.
lol are we looking at the same depth chart? weve got a C (I still stand by the point that we won't play any of these guys more than 10 min a game and Gip will play 5 for most of the time) position with 0 minutes played and a PG position with 2 guys at the top who averaged a combined 29 mpg and 3 points. its just full of young unproven guys, theres nothing to look at.
hey you know what i see Tonya? like, 8 guys with experience that we know are pretty good and like, 3-4 more guys that we have reason to be optimistic about. so like, it's better than usual, ya know.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2306/year/2009/kansas-state-wildcats (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2306/year/2009/kansas-state-wildcats)
So Will was Michael Beasley, Shane was bill walker and Jack Krap starts as Darren Kent this upcoming season. :thumbsup: Got it!
really has nothing to do with who left. that was the schedule for that season and we went to the NIT. I think we go to the NIT after making the tourney as a 9 seed.
im sure well be MUCH better on the road this season with a new PG and half the team with no experience in a big 12 game. :rolleyes:
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Losing in the 1st round of the tourny again next year is really going to piss me off.
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Losing in the 1st round of the tourny again next year is really going to piss me off.
Winning the Big 12 will be fun tho. :surprised:
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Losing in the 1st round of the tourny again next year is really going to piss me off.
Would you rather lose in first round of Tourney or win NIT?
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Losing in the 1st round of the tourny again next year is really going to piss me off.
Would you rather lose in first round of Tourney or win NIT?
Oh here we go.
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:lol:
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Losing in the 1st round of the tourny again next year is really going to piss me off.
:dubious:
You're not invited the Final Four watch party I'm hosting next year. Or my birthday party.
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It's well documented what my stance on that question is. I won't ruin the thread by taking this any further.
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Losing in the 1st round of the tourny again next year is really going to piss me off.
:dubious:
You're not invited the Final Four watch party I'm hosting next year. Or my birthday party.
It's fine. I'll be at the official Duke F4 watch party at Station.
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It's well documented what my stance on that question is. I won't ruin the thread by taking this any further.
Just having some fun here, but did you go rough ridin' nuts this year when Minnesota won the whole thing? :emawkid:
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Losing in the 1st round of the tourny again next year is really going to piss me off.
:dubious:
You're not invited the Final Four watch party I'm hosting next year. Or my birthday party.
It's fine. I'll be at the official Duke F4 watch party at Station.
What if it's Duke v. The Cats??
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It's well documented what my stance on that question is. I won't ruin the thread by taking this any further.
Just having some fun here, but did you go rough ridin' nuts this year when Minnesota won the whole thing? :emawkid:
It sure looked like a lot more fun than what we experienced.
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It's well documented what my stance on that question is. I won't ruin the thread by taking this any further.
Alrighty then
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the depth is fun to look at. my word.
lol are we looking at the same depth chart? weve got a C (I still stand by the point that we won't play any of these guys more than 10 min a game and Gip will play 5 for most of the time) position with 0 minutes played and a PG position with 2 guys at the top who averaged a combined 29 mpg and 3 points. its just full of young unproven guys, theres nothing to look at.
hey you know what i see Tonya? like, 8 guys with experience that we know are pretty good and like, 3-4 more guys that we have reason to be optimistic about. so like, it's better than usual, ya know.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2306/year/2009/kansas-state-wildcats (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2306/year/2009/kansas-state-wildcats)
So Will was Michael Beasley, Shane was bill walker and Jack Krap starts as Darren Kent this upcoming season. :thumbsup: Got it!
really has nothing to do with who left. that was the schedule for that season and we went to the NIT. I think we go to the NIT after making the tourney as a 9 seed.
im sure well be MUCH better on the road this season with a new PG and half the team with no experience in a big 12 game. :rolleyes:
You think the cats are missing the NCAAs next year? That's very pessimistic.
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Losing in the 1st round of the tourny again next year is really going to piss me off.
:dubious:
You're not invited the Final Four watch party I'm hosting next year. Or my birthday party.
It's fine. I'll be at the official Duke F4 watch party at Station.
What if it's Duke v. The Cats??
The Fightin' BruceCats
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What do you guys think?
PG
1. Nigel Johnson
2. Jevon Thomas
SG
1. Marcus Foster
2. Hopper
3. Tre Harris
SF
1. Wes Westicles
2. Malek Harris
3. Nino Williams
PF
1. Thomas Gipson
2. Nino Williams
3. DJamer
C
1. Big Meat
2. DJamer
2. Brandon Bolden
If we went with a small line up maybe johnson, foster, edwards, Westicles @ the 4, gipson?
I'm just so happy to look at this and no longer see the genital wart of Will Spradling on the beautiful male genitals that is EMAW hoops.
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What do you guys think?
PG
1. Nigel Johnson
2. Jevon Thomas
SG
1. Marcus Foster
2. Hopper
3. Tre Harris
SF
1. Wes Westicles
2. Malek Harris
3. Nino Williams
PF
1. Thomas Gipson
2. Nino Williams
3. DJamer
C
1. Big Meat
2. DJamer
2. Brandon Bolden
If we went with a small line up maybe johnson, foster, edwards, Westicles @ the 4, gipson?
I'm just so happy to look at this and no longer see the genital wart of Will Spradling on the beautiful male genitals that is EMAW hoops.
:lol: