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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on February 04, 2014, 09:06:13 AM
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Sandra Fluke, whose claim to fame is demanding that others pay for her birth control and being labeled a "slut" by Rush Limbaugh, is running for Congress to replace the Rat (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/04/It-s-Official-Sandra-Fluke-Files-for-Congress).
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Is there supposed to be a point somewhere here? This is America, where every citizen has the right to run for office.
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Is there supposed to be a point somewhere here? This is America, where every citizen has the right to run for office.
nope.
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K-S-U has an amazing knack for turning a barely interesting story into an opportunity to remind folks he's kind of a dick.
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he doesn't come out and say it but I just get the vibe that K-S-U doesn't like this lady or the person she is replacing
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he doesn't come out and say it but I just get the vibe that K-S-U doesn't like this lady or the person she is replacing
I don't like Sandra Fluke. She's a whiny moocher. Her resume consists entirely of what I mentioned above, but given the state of the Democrat party she'll be a serious contender for this seat.
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It kind of reminds of Joe the Plumber's run for office. Both came out of the woodwork to become "famous" by challenging a presidential candidate on the campaign trail, but at least Joe accomplished something in his life (owned his own business) and had a serious point to make. One similarity, just two differences! :cheers:
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:lol:
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:lol:
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:ROFL:
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"look at this bitch continuing her crusade against sexist policies."
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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She doesn't even own her own business! :lol:
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The beverly hills crowd will love her.
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I forgot, claiming "owning your own business" as an accomplishment is funny to liberals. "You didn't build that" and such...
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I forgot, claiming "owning your own business" as an accomplishment is funny to liberals. "You didn't build that" and such...
Well, claiming that owning your own plumbing business is a bigger accomplishment than getting a law degree at Georgetown certainly is, anyway.
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this thread has been a joy so far
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I forgot, claiming "owning your own business" as an accomplishment is funny to liberals. "You didn't build that" and such...
Well, claiming that owning your own plumbing business is a bigger accomplishment than getting a law degree at Georgetown certainly is, anyway.
Great. So she took out a mountain of debt. More points on her lib card.
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I forgot, claiming "owning your own business" as an accomplishment is funny to liberals. "You didn't build that" and such...
Well, claiming that owning your own plumbing business is a bigger accomplishment than getting a law degree at Georgetown certainly is, anyway.
Great. So she took out a mountain of debt. More points on her lib card.
That debt won't be a problem when she gets into office and starts making bank.
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Hmm, in K-S-U-Wildcats! world, plumber who owns a two-bit business > Georgetown educated laywer. :users:
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Hmm, in K-S-U-Wildcats! world, plumber who owns a two-bit business > Georgetown educated laywer. :users:
this bitch sounds like a slut to me
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Hey for the party of Lawyers people who actually work for a living must either be put out of business, taxed more, or regulated more.
Life long college students who cry that they'll have to pay $3 for birth control are to be heralded and placed on pedestals while their supporters throw about the nastiest of names and labels on those that disagree.
Party of Lawyers? What names are people calling Joe? Plumber?
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IT'S AN OLD FASHIONED PLUMBER v. LAW GRAD OFF GUYS!
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The thing I don't get is, if she wanted her school insurance to pay for her birth control, why did she choose a Jesuit university? Seems kinda... dumb.
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Well obviously blue collar jobs are more American etc.
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The thing I don't get is, if Rosa Parks wanted to ride a bus in the front, why did she choose to ride one in Alabama? Seems kinda.... dumb.
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The thing I don't get is, if Pussy Riot wanted to party and rage out, why did they choose a Russian Orthodox Church? Seems kinda... dumb.
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The thing I don't get is, if she wanted her school insurance to pay for her birth control, why did she choose a Jesuit university? Seems kinda... dumb.
yeah, should be right up there with the ranking of the law school when making a short list imo. but what do I know, I'm just a blue collar plumber who owns my own business and has a van with my plumber logo on it (pipe wrench with muscely arm holding it)
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The thing I don't get is, if that Buddhist dude wanted to off himself, why go with self-immolation? Seems kinda... dumb.
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The thing I don't get is, if Rosa Parks wanted to ride a bus in the front, why did she choose to ride one in Alabama? Seems kinda.... dumb.
Probably because she lived there. I'm just guessing. Also comparing Sandra Fluke to Rosa Parks: :thumbs:
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Just doing some cursory research seems like a ton of people that chose to protest things in the past got them changed only after they had to point out that the current rule was... kinda dumb.
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"Dad, I got into Georgetown Law!"
"No, son. Don't go. You will just accrue a mountain of debt. Go to plumbing school and accomplish something, for God's sake."
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The thing I don't get is, if she wanted her school insurance to pay for her birth control, why did she choose a Jesuit university? Seems kinda... dumb.
yeah, should be right up there with the ranking of the law school when making a short list imo. but what do I know, I'm just a blue collar plumber who owns my own business and has a van with my plumber logo on it (pipe wrench with muscely arm holding it)
Right. So she chooses a highly ranked Jesuit law school, as opposed to other highly ranked schools, and expects it to pay for her birth control. Still seems... dumb.
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The thing I don't get is, if she wanted her school insurance to pay for her birth control, why did she choose a Jesuit university? Seems kinda... dumb.
yeah, should be right up there with the ranking of the law school when making a short list imo. but what do I know, I'm just a blue collar plumber who owns my own business and has a van with my plumber logo on it (pipe wrench with muscely arm holding it)
Right. So she chooses a highly ranked Jesuit law school, as opposed to other highly ranked schools, and expects it to pay for her birth control. Still seems... dumb.
thoughts on logo?
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The thing I don't get is, if Rosa Parks wanted to ride a bus in the front, why did she choose to ride one in Alabama? Seems kinda.... dumb.
Probably because she lived there. I'm just guessing. Also comparing Sandra Fluke to Rosa Parks: :thumbs:
x : y :: a : b does not mean not x = a
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Just doing some cursory research seems like a ton of people that chose to protest things in the past got them changed only after they had to point out that the current rule was... kinda dumb.
:lol: No, seriously, keep claiming that Sandra Fluke is some sort of great civil rights activist for birth control. :lol:
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damn out-logic'd by lawyer talk again. time to retreat back to the sports boards.
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The thing I don't get is, if she wanted her school insurance to pay for her birth control, why did she choose a Jesuit university? Seems kinda... dumb.
yeah, should be right up there with the ranking of the law school when making a short list imo. but what do I know, I'm just a blue collar plumber who owns my own business and has a van with my plumber logo on it (pipe wrench with muscely arm holding it)
Right. So she chooses a highly ranked Jesuit law school, as opposed to other highly ranked schools, and expects it to pay for her birth control. Still seems... dumb.
If they don't want to pay for health care, then they shouldn't offer health care.
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if only we had paid for her rough ridin' birth control we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of this impending disaster.
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if only we had paid for her rough ridin' birth control we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of this impending disaster.
classic conservative paradox :frown:
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if only we had paid for her rough ridin' birth control we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of this impending disaster.
Maybe true, sys, maybe true. Though I suspect Ms. Fluke would have found something else to be upset about.
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if only we had paid for her rough ridin' birth control we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of this impending disaster.
Maybe true, sys, maybe true. Though I suspect Ms. Fluke would have found something else to be upset about.
what makes you suspect that?
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if only we had paid for her rough ridin' birth control we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of this impending disaster.
Maybe true, sys, maybe true. Though I suspect Ms. Fluke would have found something else to be upset about.
what makes you suspect that?
Because she is just a dumbass woman liberal looking for a handout?
What a silly question SD.
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if only we had paid for her rough ridin' birth control we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of this impending disaster.
Maybe true, sys, maybe true. Though I suspect Ms. Fluke would have found something else to be upset about.
what makes you suspect that?
Because she is just a dumbass woman liberal looking for a handout?
What a silly question SD.
Right, except for the "woman" part, which seems pretty irrelevant. She's a community organizer in training. Without a grievance, she's got nothing to do.
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if only we had paid for her rough ridin' birth control we wouldn't be staring down the barrel of this impending disaster.
Maybe true, sys, maybe true. Though I suspect Ms. Fluke would have found something else to be upset about.
what makes you suspect that?
Because she is just a dumbass woman liberal looking for a handout?
What a silly question SD.
Right, except for the "woman" part, which seems pretty irrelevant. She's a community organizer in training. Without a grievance, she's got nothing to do.
You seem to have more grievances than her
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We should be giving away birth control to everyone. Would be a net + for society.
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Destroy the Middle Class!! Yah America!
Yes, the middle class is being destroyed because a Georgetown-educated lawyer wants to be a politician.
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We should be giving away birth control to everyone. Would be a net + for society.
I agree with this, but it should be done by non-profit groups from donations. It seems all liberals and most conservatives have no issues with it, so there should be no problem getting enough tax deductible donations to have unlimited supplies. There really is no reason to force it upon moral objectors.
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we are forcing people to take birth control? :sdeek:
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sorry military guys, but wars will be paid for with non-profit donations from now on because some people morally object war.
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yo prisons, better start penny pinching, some people don't believe in the death penalty so you guys are just gonna be donation only now. good luck!
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fire and polices services on sunday? if a day of rest is good enough for the lord, it's good enough for fire and police. if you want protection on the lord's day then get some non-profit donations going on sinners
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between kat kid and seven, daris has started to spawn an army of this type of posters, and I really enjoy it
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One of the most entertaining things about the libatrds on this board are the crazy-pills comparisons. So far, Sandra Fluke has been compared to Rosa Parks, and public funding for birth control is on the same order of importance as (a) the military, (b) prisons, and (c) fire and police service on the weekends. This is great stuff. Please keep it coming. :popcorn:
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One of the most entertaining things about the libatrds on this board are the crazy-pills comparisons. So far, Sandra Fluke has been compared to Rosa Parks, and public funding for birth control is on the same order of importance as (a) the military, (b) prisons, and (c) fire and police service on the weekends. This is great stuff. Please keep it coming. :popcorn:
no that didn't happen.
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Destroy the Middle Class!! Yah America!
Yes, the middle class is being destroyed because a Georgetown-educated lawyer wants to be a politician.
That wasn't the point. Liberal Georgetown educated lawyer to be placed on a pedestal, protected, all detractors are to be labeled and attacked by left. Blue Collar Plumber . . . attacked, ridiculed and scorned by left.
you forgot to point out that no one ridicules the blue collar plumber for being a blue collar plumber, they ridicule the blue collar plumber because he's a gigantic dumbass. i've personally known a number of blue collar plumbers, and it's 50/50 on if they are gigantic dumbasses or not, so it's perplexing why the GOP hitched their wagon to a gigantic dumbass as their spokesman for the common man when non gigantic dumbass blue collar plumbers are available.
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Destroy the Middle Class!! Yah America!
Yes, the middle class is being destroyed because a Georgetown-educated lawyer wants to be a politician.
That wasn't the point. Liberal Georgetown educated lawyer to be placed on a pedestal, protected, all detractors are to be labeled and attacked by left. Blue Collar Plumber . . . attacked, ridiculed and scorned by left.
The host of the most listened-to show on radio (i.e. the media) called Sandra Fluke a slut. Who are these people attacking Joe the plumber?
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I don't listen to much political talk radio, so I don't know. Well, I did listen to Geraldo from time-to-time when he was on here.
Plus, like has been pointed out, if you want to point out dumb . . . why go to a Jesuit school and then start complaining about birth control?
Of course as we've seen, that kind of response immediately evokes a vitriolic response from the left label makers, who will defend the idiocy of a left (dumb) talking point/talking head to the n'th degree, while hurling insults at anyone who supports the plumber (or people of that ilk who simply ask a question or make a statement to a campaigning politician, not Congress).
Vitriolic? More like alcoholic. #amirite
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sorry dude, your employer is morally objected to cough medicine, you're just gonna have to get though that bronchitis on your own cause it's not covered with your insurance.
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sorry dude, your employer is morally objected to cough medicine, you're just gonna have to get though that bronchitis on your own cause it's not covered with your insurance.
But you can take your bronchitis script and $3 over to that drug store across the street and get the medicine you need.
that's it dax, tell them to get their lady drugs somewhere else!
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boner pills? right here sir! fully insured, no problem at all. ed is a serious medical condition, and should be treated with medication. enjoy your boners!
birth control pill? no way, we don't insure that miss. what's that? you have "woman" problems and this pill would help you with that? it still makes it so you can slut around tho right? yeah, we can't have that.
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sorry dude, your employer is morally objected to cough medicine, you're just gonna have to get though that bronchitis on your own cause it's not covered with your insurance.
But you can take your bronchitis script and $3 over to that drug store across the street and get the medicine you need.
but what about prostate cancer treatment that my bitch whore boss won't put in the health plan cause she hates men!!!!!
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Shouldn't premiums for insurance that includes birth control be lower than premiums for insurance that doesn't? Pregnancies are pretty expensive.
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http://business.time.com/2012/02/14/why-free-birth-control-will-not-hike-the-cost-of-your-insurance/ (http://business.time.com/2012/02/14/why-free-birth-control-will-not-hike-the-cost-of-your-insurance/)
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One strawman after another.
Common sense reality says that at least as of right now, all matter of contraception is readily available for free or for next to nothing.
When the day comes that isn't the case, then you might have a point with some of the idiocy. But right now, it was just grand standing.
maybe i'm getting mixed up, but wasn't sandra's issue that her "woman problems" made her birth control something like 300 a month without insurance?
oh i forgot, that's just because she is a slut and has tons of sex so she needs MORE birthcontrol.
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One strawman after another.
Common sense reality says that at least as of right now, all matter of contraception is readily available for free or for next to nothing.
When the day comes that isn't the case, then you might have a point with some of the idiocy. But right now, it was just grand standing.
It wasn't free to her, and how do you define next to nothing? If I were paying an insurance premium at a Jesuit school, and the government were mandating that a medication I use was to be paid for 100%, but the school was trying to get around the mandate so they could make my insurance crappier than the insurance provided to everyone else, with no cost savings on my premium, I would be pissed off, too.
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well, 300 a month is next to nothing for most people.
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well, 300 a month is next to nothing for most people.
Stop vilifying Joe the Plumber, damn it.
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I'm still not sure what Joe the Plumber has to do with anything.
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well, 300 a month is next to nothing for most people.
Didn't say that.
Common sense reality says that at least as of right now, all matter of contraception is readily available for free or for next to nothing.
:dunno:
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How do analogies work?
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Hmm, so Fluke claims to have known about Georgetown's policy towards contraception (I don't agree with it BTW) but she made the choice to enroll in and attend Georgetown anyway? Isn't that kind of like joining the volunteer Army on your own free will, and then going up in front of a committee of anti-military congressional members and complaining about the whole guns and war part of the Army?
Plus, what specifically was her prescription? I've tried to figure that out, but it's not anywhere that I've seen.
Georgetown was probably the best school that accepted her, and she is right that it is really none of an institution or employer's business what the people they insure choose to do with that insurance.
I really don't think it is my or anyone else's business what her prescription was for. That is between her and her doctor.
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Fascinating, so the entity that provides you your insurance should have no say in how that insurance is managed?
Absolutely not.
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Fascinating, so the entity that provides you your insurance should have no say in how that insurance is managed?
Absolutely not.
Okay, good luck with that.
I've had great luck with that so far. I've never had an employer attempt get a single thing uncovered.
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Fascinating, so the entity that provides you your insurance should have no say in how that insurance is managed?
Absolutely not.
Okay, good luck with that.
I've had great luck with that so far. I've never had an employer attempt get a single thing uncovered.
Unless you're actually in HR or relevant entity that negotiates the insurance contracts, you probably don't know what was discussed or not discussed in terms of coverage.
True, but covering birth control has no effect on premiums. If the Jesuit church doesn't want their employees/students to use certain prescribed medications, then maybe they should have done a better job converting them to the Jesuit faith so that they would just suffer through their problems the way that God intended.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
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Sandra Fluke being endorced by the democrat party for a political position is an enormous joke. What don't you get about this? Its the equivalent of Obama appointing Smokey the Bear to run the forest service.
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How do analogies work?
It's where you compare two similar concepts to make a point, like how the government paying for contraception is similar to government paying for a war and prisons.
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How do analogies work?
It's where you compare two similar concepts to make a point, like how the government paying for contraception is similar to government paying for a war and prisons.
Yes, that's the rhetorical tactic I was referencing. It's, like, in vogue these days. I really, really dislike it.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
I agree. But that isn't really what the discussion is about.
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Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
why not?
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
Georgetown University also employs a full time Rabbi.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
Georgetown University also employs a full time Rabbi.
Georgetown University is providing health insurance for its employees, the health insurer is required to cover certain things.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
Georgetown University also employs a full time Rabbi.
Georgetown University is providing health insurance for its employees, the health insurer is required to cover certain things.
Agreed, my point was actually that Georgetown's adherence to Catholicism is not all-encompassing. Georgetown enrolls, hires, trains, teaches and employs thousands of non-religious, and co-religious and has for many years - they know this - as evidenced by the fact that a Roman Catholic University employs a full-time Rabbi. We aren't talking about a nunnery here.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
Georgetown University also employs a full time Rabbi.
Georgetown University is providing health insurance for its employees, the health insurer is required to cover certain things.
Agreed, my point was actually that Georgetown's adherence to Catholicism is not all-encompassing. Georgetown enrolls, hires, trains, teaches and employs thousands of non-religious, and co-religious and has for many years - they know this - as evidenced by the fact that a Roman Catholic University employs a full-time Rabbi. We aren't talking about a nunnery here.
Exactly. You shouldn't be legally allowed to offer an insurance plan that is illegal for others to offer because you want non-Jesuits to live by Jesuit principles. There is nothing at all requiring the people to whom they offer insurance to use that insurance to purchase birth control. Nothing about offering birth control as part of an insurance package prevents anyone in any way from practicing the Jesuit faith. If people want to follow Jesuit principles, they can do that by choice.
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This libtards are blazing a trail of stupid today. This thread is just wow.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.
A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.
A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?
No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.
A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?
No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.
The university is buying the government mandated insurance that provides a service they are morally and religiously opposed to, where in the free market they were given a choice to remove the one small offending service while still offering great insurance. If not wanting to pay for it is a war on women, forcing them to offer it is a war on religion.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.
A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?
No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.
The university is buying the government mandated insurance that provides a service they are morally and religiously opposed to, where in the free market they were given a choice to remove the one small offending service while still offering great insurance. If not wanting to pay for it is a war on women, forcing them to offer it is a war on religion.
No it's not. I guess it's a war on imposing your religious beliefs on the non-religious, maybe, but that's a good thing.
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No, it's a war of imposing your non-religious beliefs on the religious, which is a bad thing.
Hey, I'm a 21 year old single guy who gets his rocks off posting on the internet. I'm in college and don't have a job yet, but I went to college so I can get a job. But you know what I'm really looking forward to? When I get shitty insurance that covers mammograms and birth control pills, even though I don't have a uterus, instead of good insurance that I choose and covers what I want. That's right, I want to be effectively compensated less when I enter the workforce, because I'm a stupid rough ridin' idiot libtard that mindlessly supports B.O.
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No, it's a war of imposing your non-religious beliefs on the religious, which is a bad thing.
Hey, I'm a 21 year old single guy who gets his rocks off posting on the internet. I'm in college and don't have a job yet, but I went to college so I can get a job. But you know what I'm really looking forward to? When I get shitty insurance that covers mammograms and birth control pills, even though I don't have a uterus, instead of good insurance that I choose and covers what I want. That's right, I want to be effectively compensated less when I enter the workforce, because I'm a stupid rough ridin' idiot libtard that mindlessly supports B.O.
I'm not 100% sure you understand how insurance works.
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IT'S AN OLD FASHIONED PLUMBER v. LAW GRAD OFF GUYS!
Pretty pissed off I showed up late for this
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Well, no answer as to who won the G'town Law grad v. blue collar plumber from ohio off.
pretty pissed
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.
A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?
No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.
The university is buying the government mandated insurance that provides a service they are morally and religiously opposed to, where in the free market they were given a choice to remove the one small offending service while still offering great insurance. If not wanting to pay for it is a war on women, forcing them to offer it is a war on religion.
No it's not. I guess it's a war on imposing your religious beliefs on the non-religious, maybe, but that's a good thing.
It's a Catholic university. You aren't forced to work at or attend the religious institution. You're being stupid.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.
A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?
No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.
The university is buying the government mandated insurance that provides a service they are morally and religiously opposed to, where in the free market they were given a choice to remove the one small offending service while still offering great insurance. If not wanting to pay for it is a war on women, forcing them to offer it is a war on religion.
No it's not. I guess it's a war on imposing your religious beliefs on the non-religious, maybe, but that's a good thing.
It's a Catholic university. You aren't forced to work at or attend the religious institution. You're being stupid.
You aren't forced to use birth control, either. Seems like it's in everybody's best interest to go ahead include it in everyone's plan, given that it doesn't affect rates.
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What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).
Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change? Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?
I don't understand the point.
Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.
They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.
A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?
No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.
The university is buying the government mandated insurance that provides a service they are morally and religiously opposed to, where in the free market they were given a choice to remove the one small offending service while still offering great insurance. If not wanting to pay for it is a war on women, forcing them to offer it is a war on religion.
No it's not. I guess it's a war on imposing your religious beliefs on the non-religious, maybe, but that's a good thing.
It's a Catholic university. You aren't forced to work at or attend the religious institution. You're being stupid.
You aren't forced to use birth control, either. Seems like it's in everybody's best interest to go ahead include it in everyone's plan, given that it doesn't affect rates.
I think Georgetown would argue that it isn't really in their best interest to include something they are morally opposed to.
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The Jesuits really should rethink their stance on contraception.
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I think Georgetown would argue that it isn't really in their best interest to include something they are morally opposed to.
Yes, that is what they are arguing, and it makes them look just awful. The fact that their employees and students use their compensation and services to do something that they don't agree with morally should be of no concern to them.
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The Jesuits really should rethink their stance on contraception.
they have the papacy for the first time in history, so, yeah, they should be able to get some things done if they want to :dunno:
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No, it's a war of imposing your non-religious beliefs on the religious, which is a bad thing.
Hey, I'm a 21 year old single guy who gets his rocks off posting on the internet. I'm in college and don't have a job yet, but I went to college so I can get a job. But you know what I'm really looking forward to? When I get shitty insurance that covers mammograms and birth control pills, even though I don't have a uterus, instead of good insurance that I choose and covers what I want. That's right, I want to be effectively compensated less when I enter the workforce, because I'm a stupid rough ridin' idiot libtard that mindlessly supports B.O.
I'm not 100% sure you understand how insurance works.
I'm 100% sure you've been a real dumbass in the Pit lately and have no rough ridin' clue what's actually going on.
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I think Georgetown would argue that it isn't really in their best interest to include something they are morally opposed to.
Yes, that is what they are arguing, and it makes them look just awful. The fact that their employees and students use their compensation and services to do something that they don't agree with morally should be of no concern to them.
Whether you agree with it or not, they have the right to not provide a service they morally object to (whether that's insurance for birth control, abortion, etc.) to the people who voluntarily attend/work for their university. There's this whole "freedom of religion" thing. If people have a problem with it, they don't have to attend Georgetown. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
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I think Georgetown would argue that it isn't really in their best interest to include something they are morally opposed to.
Yes, that is what they are arguing, and it makes them look just awful. The fact that their employees and students use their compensation and services to do something that they don't agree with morally should be of no concern to them.
Whether you agree with it or not, they have the right to not provide a service they morally object to (whether that's insurance for birth control, abortion, etc.) to the people who voluntarily attend/work for their university. There's this whole "freedom of religion" thing. If people have a problem with it, they don't have to attend Georgetown. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
Insurance is part of an employee's compensation. Why should Georgetown be able to tell their employees how they can use their compensation? I realize that the law has created an exemption allowing religious institutions to have their cake and eat it too, but that doesn't make it right, just as it isn't right for BYU to have an "honor code" that has no respect whatsoever for the privacy of their students. I'm not even sure why you are arguing. Georgetown agrees with me.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/27/472632/georgetown-birth-control/
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I think Georgetown would argue that it isn't really in their best interest to include something they are morally opposed to.
Yes, that is what they are arguing, and it makes them look just awful. The fact that their employees and students use their compensation and services to do something that they don't agree with morally should be of no concern to them.
Whether you agree with it or not, they have the right to not provide a service they morally object to (whether that's insurance for birth control, abortion, etc.) to the people who voluntarily attend/work for their university. There's this whole "freedom of religion" thing. If people have a problem with it, they don't have to attend Georgetown. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
Insurance is part of an employee's compensation. Why should Georgetown be able to tell their employees how they can use their compensation? I realize that the law has created an exemption allowing religious institutions to have their cake and eat it too, but that doesn't make it right, just as it isn't right for BYU to have an "honor code" that has no respect whatsoever for the privacy of their students. I'm not even sure why you are arguing. Georgetown agrees with me.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/27/472632/georgetown-birth-control/
As you point out, Georgetown already offers insurance to its employees that covers contraception. Generally speaking, however, employers make decisions all the time as to what benefits they provide. If employees don't like it, they don't have to work there. This should not be hard to understand.
As for students, Georgetown still restricts eligibility for insurance coverage of contraception. Again, that's Georgetown's right to do so. If students don't like it, they don't have to go to school there.
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As for students, Georgetown still restricts eligibility for insurance coverage of contraception. Again, that's Georgetown's right to do so. If students don't like it, they don't have to go to school there.
How so? Does the school actually require the students to get a doctor's note saying that the pills are needed for medical reasons or something?
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As for students, Georgetown still restricts eligibility for insurance coverage of contraception. Again, that's Georgetown's right to do so. If students don't like it, they don't have to go to school there.
How so? Does the school actually require the students to get a doctor's note saying that the pills are needed for medical reasons or something?
Nope.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/georgetown-contraception-coverage_n_3641694.html
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The best part about this is that if Lush Rimbaugh doesn't call Fluke a slut and a prostitute, nobody would know who she is and none of this happens. Because he couldn't control his seething hatred and fear of women, he created hero. I guess his self proclaimed title of "kingmaker" is accurate.
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The best part about this is that if Lush Rimbaugh doesn't call Fluke a slut and a prostitute, nobody would know who she is and none of this happens. Because he couldn't control his seething hatred and fear of women, he created hero. I guess his self proclaimed title of "kingmaker" is accurate.
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LOL :Chirp:
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The best part about this is that if Lush Rimbaugh doesn't call Fluke a slut and a prostitute, nobody would know who she is and none of this happens. Because he couldn't control his seething hatred and fear of women, he created hero. I guess his self proclaimed title of "kingmaker" is accurate.
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LOL :Chirp:
another limbaugh apologist... sad really :frown:
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Sandra Fluke being endorced by the democrat party for a political position is an enormous joke. What don't you get about this? Its the equivalent of Obama appointing Smokey the Bear to run the forest service.
This libtards are blazing a trail of stupid today. This thread is just wow.
These two posts were my favorites. Especially considering the first one was edited.