The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Sandra Fluke being endorced by the democrat party for a political position is an enormous joke.  What don't you get about this?  Its the equivalent of Obama appointing Smokey the Bear to run the forest service.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

How do analogies work?

It's where you compare two similar concepts to make a point, like how the government paying for contraception is similar to government paying for a war and prisons.

[chum1]

How do analogies work?

It's where you compare two similar concepts to make a point, like how the government paying for contraception is similar to government paying for a war and prisons.

Yes, that's the rhetorical tactic I was referencing.  It's, like, in vogue these days.  I really, really dislike it.

[EMAWmeister]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

[Kat Kid]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

I agree.  But that isn't really what the discussion is about.

[sys]

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

why not?

[Paul Moscow]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

Georgetown University also employs a full time Rabbi.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.

[Kat Kid]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

Georgetown University also employs a full time Rabbi.

Georgetown University is providing health insurance for its employees, the health insurer is required to cover certain things.

[Paul Moscow]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

Georgetown University also employs a full time Rabbi.

Georgetown University is providing health insurance for its employees, the health insurer is required to cover certain things.

Agreed, my point was actually that Georgetown's adherence to Catholicism is not all-encompassing. Georgetown enrolls, hires, trains, teaches and employs thousands of non-religious, and co-religious and has for many years - they know this - as evidenced by the fact that a Roman Catholic University employs a full-time Rabbi. We aren't talking about a nunnery here.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

Georgetown University also employs a full time Rabbi.

Georgetown University is providing health insurance for its employees, the health insurer is required to cover certain things.

Agreed, my point was actually that Georgetown's adherence to Catholicism is not all-encompassing. Georgetown enrolls, hires, trains, teaches and employs thousands of non-religious, and co-religious and has for many years - they know this - as evidenced by the fact that a Roman Catholic University employs a full-time Rabbi. We aren't talking about a nunnery here.

Exactly. You shouldn't be legally allowed to offer an insurance plan that is illegal for others to offer because you want non-Jesuits to live by Jesuit principles. There is nothing at all requiring the people to whom they offer insurance to use that insurance to purchase birth control. Nothing about offering birth control as part of an insurance package prevents anyone in any way from practicing the Jesuit faith. If people want to follow Jesuit principles, they can do that by choice.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

This libtards are blazing a trail of stupid today.  This thread is just wow.

[EMAWmeister]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.

A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?

[Rage Against the McKee]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.

A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?

No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.

A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?

No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.

The university is buying the government mandated insurance that provides a service they are morally and religiously opposed to, where in the free market they were given a choice to remove the one small offending service while still offering great insurance. If not wanting to pay for it is a war on women, forcing them to offer it is a war on religion.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.

A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?

No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.

The university is buying the government mandated insurance that provides a service they are morally and religiously opposed to, where in the free market they were given a choice to remove the one small offending service while still offering great insurance. If not wanting to pay for it is a war on women, forcing them to offer it is a war on religion.

No it's not. I guess it's a war on imposing your religious beliefs on the non-religious, maybe, but that's a good thing.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

No, it's a war of imposing your non-religious beliefs on the religious, which is a bad thing.


Hey, I'm a 21 year old single guy who gets his rocks off posting on the internet.  I'm in college and don't have a job yet, but I went to college so I can get a job.  But you know what I'm really looking forward to?  When I get shitty insurance that covers mammograms and birth control pills, even though I don't have a uterus, instead of good insurance that I choose and covers what I want.  That's right, I want to be effectively compensated less when I enter the workforce, because I'm a stupid rough ridin' idiot libtard that mindlessly supports B.O.

[Kat Kid]

No, it's a war of imposing your non-religious beliefs on the religious, which is a bad thing.


Hey, I'm a 21 year old single guy who gets his rocks off posting on the internet.  I'm in college and don't have a job yet, but I went to college so I can get a job.  But you know what I'm really looking forward to?  When I get shitty insurance that covers mammograms and birth control pills, even though I don't have a uterus, instead of good insurance that I choose and covers what I want.  That's right, I want to be effectively compensated less when I enter the workforce, because I'm a stupid rough ridin' idiot libtard that mindlessly supports B.O.

I'm not 100% sure you understand how insurance works.

[Dugout DickStone]

IT'S AN OLD FASHIONED PLUMBER v. LAW GRAD OFF GUYS!

Pretty pissed off I showed up late for this

[Dugout DickStone]

Well, no answer as to who won the G'town Law grad v. blue collar plumber from ohio off.

pretty pissed

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.

A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?

No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.

The university is buying the government mandated insurance that provides a service they are morally and religiously opposed to, where in the free market they were given a choice to remove the one small offending service while still offering great insurance. If not wanting to pay for it is a war on women, forcing them to offer it is a war on religion.

No it's not. I guess it's a war on imposing your religious beliefs on the non-religious, maybe, but that's a good thing.

It's a Catholic university. You aren't forced to work at or attend the religious institution. You're being stupid.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.

A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?

No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.

The university is buying the government mandated insurance that provides a service they are morally and religiously opposed to, where in the free market they were given a choice to remove the one small offending service while still offering great insurance. If not wanting to pay for it is a war on women, forcing them to offer it is a war on religion.

No it's not. I guess it's a war on imposing your religious beliefs on the non-religious, maybe, but that's a good thing.

It's a Catholic university. You aren't forced to work at or attend the religious institution. You're being stupid.

You aren't forced to use birth control, either. Seems like it's in everybody's best interest to go ahead include it in everyone's plan, given that it doesn't affect rates.

[EMAWmeister]

What is the point being made when people bring up that Sandra Fluke decided to attend law school at Georgetown (a Jesuit institution).

Are institutions supposed to be impossible to change?  Should Georgetown admit only students willing to rubber stamp every position it stakes out?

I don't understand the point.

Georgetown University, a religious educational institution, should not have to provide birth control if they don't want to.

They absolutely should if everyone else has to. They shouldn't get special rights to impose their religion on others.

A Jesuit Catholic university should be forced to provide birth control to people who voluntarily apply for acceptance into their Jesuit Catholic university? Are you rough ridin' kidding me with this?

No, I'm not kidding you. They aren't providing birth control. They are providing insurance. The only people getting the birth control are those who choose to use it. That is like saying that my employer provides marijuana because I choose to use the money they pay me to go buy some.

The university is buying the government mandated insurance that provides a service they are morally and religiously opposed to, where in the free market they were given a choice to remove the one small offending service while still offering great insurance. If not wanting to pay for it is a war on women, forcing them to offer it is a war on religion.

No it's not. I guess it's a war on imposing your religious beliefs on the non-religious, maybe, but that's a good thing.

It's a Catholic university. You aren't forced to work at or attend the religious institution. You're being stupid.

You aren't forced to use birth control, either. Seems like it's in everybody's best interest to go ahead include it in everyone's plan, given that it doesn't affect rates.

I think Georgetown would argue that it isn't really in their best interest to include something they are morally opposed to.

[michigancat]

The Jesuits really should rethink their stance on contraception.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think Georgetown would argue that it isn't really in their best interest to include something they are morally opposed to.

Yes, that is what they are arguing, and it makes them look just awful. The fact that their employees and students use their compensation and services to do something that they don't agree with morally should be of no concern to them.