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Re: The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism
« Reply #100 on: February 05, 2014, 12:32:43 PM »
The Jesuits really should rethink their stance on contraception.

they have the papacy for the first time in history, so, yeah, they should be able to get some things done if they want to  :dunno:

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Re: The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism
« Reply #101 on: February 05, 2014, 12:36:15 PM »
No, it's a war of imposing your non-religious beliefs on the religious, which is a bad thing.


Hey, I'm a 21 year old single guy who gets his rocks off posting on the internet.  I'm in college and don't have a job yet, but I went to college so I can get a job.  But you know what I'm really looking forward to?  When I get shitty insurance that covers mammograms and birth control pills, even though I don't have a uterus, instead of good insurance that I choose and covers what I want.  That's right, I want to be effectively compensated less when I enter the workforce, because I'm a stupid rough ridin' idiot libtard that mindlessly supports B.O.

I'm not 100% sure you understand how insurance works.

I'm 100% sure you've been a real dumbass in the Pit lately and have no rough ridin' clue what's actually going on.
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Re: The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism
« Reply #102 on: February 06, 2014, 12:38:03 PM »
I think Georgetown would argue that it isn't really in their best interest to include something they are morally opposed to.

Yes, that is what they are arguing, and it makes them look just awful. The fact that their employees and students use their compensation and services to do something that they don't agree with morally should be of no concern to them.

Whether you agree with it or not, they have the right to not provide a service they morally object to (whether that's insurance for birth control, abortion, etc.) to the people who voluntarily attend/work for their university. There's this whole "freedom of religion" thing. If people have a problem with it, they don't have to attend Georgetown. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism
« Reply #103 on: February 06, 2014, 01:27:57 PM »
I think Georgetown would argue that it isn't really in their best interest to include something they are morally opposed to.

Yes, that is what they are arguing, and it makes them look just awful. The fact that their employees and students use their compensation and services to do something that they don't agree with morally should be of no concern to them.

Whether you agree with it or not, they have the right to not provide a service they morally object to (whether that's insurance for birth control, abortion, etc.) to the people who voluntarily attend/work for their university. There's this whole "freedom of religion" thing. If people have a problem with it, they don't have to attend Georgetown. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.

Insurance is part of an employee's compensation. Why should Georgetown be able to tell their employees how they can use their compensation? I realize that the law has created an exemption allowing religious institutions to have their cake and eat it too, but that doesn't make it right, just as it isn't right for BYU to have an "honor code" that has no respect whatsoever for the privacy of their students. I'm not even sure why you are arguing. Georgetown agrees with me.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/27/472632/georgetown-birth-control/
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Re: The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism
« Reply #104 on: February 06, 2014, 03:18:19 PM »
I think Georgetown would argue that it isn't really in their best interest to include something they are morally opposed to.

Yes, that is what they are arguing, and it makes them look just awful. The fact that their employees and students use their compensation and services to do something that they don't agree with morally should be of no concern to them.

Whether you agree with it or not, they have the right to not provide a service they morally object to (whether that's insurance for birth control, abortion, etc.) to the people who voluntarily attend/work for their university. There's this whole "freedom of religion" thing. If people have a problem with it, they don't have to attend Georgetown. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.

Insurance is part of an employee's compensation. Why should Georgetown be able to tell their employees how they can use their compensation? I realize that the law has created an exemption allowing religious institutions to have their cake and eat it too, but that doesn't make it right, just as it isn't right for BYU to have an "honor code" that has no respect whatsoever for the privacy of their students. I'm not even sure why you are arguing. Georgetown agrees with me.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/27/472632/georgetown-birth-control/

As you point out, Georgetown already offers insurance to its employees that covers contraception. Generally speaking, however, employers make decisions all the time as to what benefits they provide. If employees don't like it, they don't have to work there. This should not be hard to understand.

As for students, Georgetown still restricts eligibility for insurance coverage of contraception. Again, that's Georgetown's right to do so. If students don't like it, they don't have to go to school there.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism
« Reply #105 on: February 06, 2014, 03:28:48 PM »
As for students, Georgetown still restricts eligibility for insurance coverage of contraception. Again, that's Georgetown's right to do so. If students don't like it, they don't have to go to school there.

How so? Does the school actually require the students to get a doctor's note saying that the pills are needed for medical reasons or something?

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Re: The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism
« Reply #106 on: February 06, 2014, 03:52:29 PM »
As for students, Georgetown still restricts eligibility for insurance coverage of contraception. Again, that's Georgetown's right to do so. If students don't like it, they don't have to go to school there.

How so? Does the school actually require the students to get a doctor's note saying that the pills are needed for medical reasons or something?

Nope.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/georgetown-contraception-coverage_n_3641694.html

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Re: The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism
« Reply #107 on: February 07, 2014, 12:18:10 AM »
The best part about this is that if Lush Rimbaugh doesn't call Fluke a slut and a prostitute, nobody would know who she is and none of this happens. Because he couldn't control his seething hatred and fear of women, he created hero. I guess his self proclaimed title of "kingmaker" is accurate.


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Re: The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism
« Reply #108 on: February 07, 2014, 01:06:41 AM »
The best part about this is that if Lush Rimbaugh doesn't call Fluke a slut and a prostitute, nobody would know who she is and none of this happens. Because he couldn't control his seething hatred and fear of women, he created hero. I guess his self proclaimed title of "kingmaker" is accurate.


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Re: The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism
« Reply #109 on: February 07, 2014, 01:39:42 AM »
The best part about this is that if Lush Rimbaugh doesn't call Fluke a slut and a prostitute, nobody would know who she is and none of this happens. Because he couldn't control his seething hatred and fear of women, he created hero. I guess his self proclaimed title of "kingmaker" is accurate.


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another limbaugh apologist... sad really  :frown:
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Re: The Unbearable Lightness of Liberalism
« Reply #110 on: February 07, 2014, 02:20:46 PM »
Sandra Fluke being endorced by the democrat party for a political position is an enormous joke.  What don't you get about this?  Its the equivalent of Obama appointing Smokey the Bear to run the forest service.

This libtards are blazing a trail of stupid today.  This thread is just wow.

These two posts were my favorites.  Especially considering the first one was edited.